Folks like the dead are singular creations. Folks like my friend the songwritter are happening by the hundreds.
I have no respect for artists that use other people's music as their entire set. There are plenty of talented individuals that play other people's music, they should keep themselves where they belong, small bars and impersonation acts (this obviously does not include covers during the set of an accomplished band).
I have complete respect for the artists creating the lyrics obviously, I think that they should find another outlet for their words, perhaps their own book of poetry.
Personally, any stupid motherfucker that thinks that someone colludes to bring prices up for entertainment should be punished is infact a moron.
What I think is irrelevant, they were already shown to be guilty of price fixing.
Keep believing your singular solution will work, even though many artists have tried this and it hasn't worked for them.
It hasn't worked for them because they suck as singers and they can't perfom live. I have no respect for those bands that aren't able to live up to what they claim they are supposed to do.
Who the fuck would buy a product that they know is a complete farce? AS SEEN ON CD! Yet when you get it the product falls apart and is nearly worthless. Yeah, no thanks.
ignore the bands that enjoy trying to recreate the perfect version of a song and improving every night.
I don't see how this is relevant to anything. I have nothing against bands that play live. If they want to "recreate the perfect song", I hope that they can and that their fans appreciate that.
Before you talk about how an industry works, please do some research into it and don't just throw out the first "But Blah Does Blah And Blah Is Successful" because more often than not, they are the exception to the rule than the average.
I am uninterested in your single example of how the industry works (via your "friend").
I know how the fucking industry works. They want massive amounts of money and they make that by a) price fixing CD costs (they were shown to be guilty of that and were "punished"), b) they want to manufacture music and force it down everyone's throats by looping it on music stations and spending too much money promoting it, and c) they want to quell any other distribution method other than their own, god forbid they don't have enough money to fix Brittany's voice.
There's no guarantee a tour is going to make an artist a fair amount of money, especially if it's being balanced against a lousy CD royalties agreement or what have you.
A tour is going to make you a fair amount of money if you play decent music live. Problem with the crybaby artists is that they tend to suck ass when it comes to live performances.
Check out this poster's comment. We have the amazing ability these days to make shitty people sound great on the CD but they still suck terribly live.
I posted this comment about recent chart toppers (Hootie and Norah Jones) begin bought in drove on the CD rack but completely sucking ass live.
I have no respect for those people that can't really sing and are being marketed as these wonderful artists.
Show me that you are worth the money and then I might support you when you come out w/a CD. I refuse to do it the other way around.
Ultimately, the recording industry could do themselves a real favor by reviving singles.
No, I really don't think so. IIRC, the last time I purchased a single (way back in the late 80s I would guess) on cassette it cost around $3.
Ok, so a regular CD is $13-$20 and a single cassette 12-15 years ago was $3. You think that they are going to sell these two song CDs for anything less than $5? I doubt it.
I am NOT paying $5 when I SHOULD be able to download individual songs THAT I CHOOSE for less than $1 and burn them myself (less than.50 for a blank).
Instead of one "decent song" and one "crap song" on a $5 CD I could get 80 mins of songs that I paid for at less than $1/each on my.50 CD and be happier.
because it is a known fact (they have been found guilty) that they price fix?
Hmm, so, we aren't allowed to distribute music in any other mass medium (because artists can't stand the fact that their individual songs are being sold instead of purchased as a CD thus hurting their chances at worthless Gold/Plat. records?)
We aren't allowed to find music for free (because god forbid we support REAL artists who perform live and allow you to freely trade their music).
Yet they can't make money on selling CDs that cost them pennies to make and pennies to sell but cost millions to pay an artist to allow them to do?
Awww, no more Cribs on MTV because the poor, suffering artists can't hack it actually doing real work for a living.
you are quite correct. They do not allow you to trade copies of their albums (understandibly). It is a known fact that most artists are incapable of performing at any decent level live (for example, the VERY popular Hootie and the Blowfish album from several years ago 95? It sold quite a number of copies but they couldn't sing worth a crap live).
How about we continue... Norah Jones? Read one person's feelings on a recent concert of her's. She won how many awards? Her studio stuff is great, her live presence is crap.
Perhaps people don't care for studio music from so-so artists and want a REAL taste of GOOD music?
Where are the legendary bands of the 60s and 70s? The ones with MAJOR staying power? They don't exist anymore. Record labels WANT major profits fast.
I say fuck supporting studio recorded music and only support those bands with the balls to show themselves in public and REALLY play their music.
you can have your observations, but they are moot.
SUPPORT THOSE BANDS THAT ALLOW THE FREE TRADING OF THEIR MUSIC!
I just went to a Dead show in Joliet, IL (I am still smacking myself for not going to the show in Somerset, WI as well as it is on my way home from IL). I saw quite a crowd there to see moe. (they didn't play due to a wrecked/rebuilt stage the night before), Robert Hunter, Bob Dylan, and The Dead.
Amazingly enough, these bands allow and promote the free trading of their music. Somehow, they are still able to turn QUITE a profit, make some INCREDIBLE music, and even have a steady following (Bob Dylan and The Dead have been playing for what 40+ years?)
Here's a list of bands that you SHOULD be supporting.
DMB, a band which is more in the mainstream, makes a pretty penny on CD sales AND touring sales. Imagine that, someone who allows his own stuff to be taped yet makes a profit.
if you are already on google, why not do a search for what you are looking for? I have never found much useful information from anything on USENET. I stopped using it MANY YEARS ago.
Like a +5 post just said, "if you do you own scanning and filtering" it's full of good binaries and text.
So's the web. In this interview it was said that the web is not as good as USENET.
You think that ISPs want to let their users suck 100% of their bandwith 100% of the day on P2P? Why do you think that quite a few Universities have gone to throttling/closing those ports?
Do you think that download caps and per MB charges over that cap are not to curb people from using P2P?
well, I *tried* to use my legitimate copy of WindowsXP that came with my E-machine. Turns out that the machine actually comes with XP installed but doesn't come with an XP CD. This confused me...
So I paid for a machine with XP installed yet I don't get a copy of XP? Sure, I get a copy, it's on the RESTORE CD. The XP key is on a tag on the e-machine itself.
So, I buy this piece of software included in my machine purchase but I cannot use it unless I use it on the e-machine. Seems slightly ridiculous to me.
So yes, I am using Linux on my e-machine now and I paid for XP but I just can't bring myself to install XP from a restore CD (just what I need, to spend 3 weeks uninstalling a ton of pre-installed bullshit).
I certainly doubt the NSA it too worried, and I doubt that the majority of people will generate good passwords/keys, but it's a step in the right direction.
Is someone going to go out and buy this MB if they aren't intending on using other good security measures?
The general public doesn't create decent password/key pairs. Joe Schmoe is not going to buy this board. Paranoid freaks are.
1. if you don't like it, don't buy Nokia. 2. the phone costs you $0 to $50 on average (if you pay more than that for a cell phone you are either a cell phone freak or you are crazy) they have to make money on accessories (just like Lexmark printers, the printers are $0 - $99 and their ink is $30/pop)
animals other than humans (and insects) are the least of our worries...
We have countries on this planet that still discriminate because of religion, race, culture, background, color, etc (the US is one of them duh).
I think we should seriously worry about fixing the problems that we already have and not even bother to worry about the "rights" of insects and other animals.
By the way, I think that a cyborg (human + machine) is FAR more close to us than a mosquito.
I think that there is no current legislation that would block it. I think that it would cause ethical concerns.
Conservatives would not want cyborgs and AI robots running around with rights. They would be stronger than us, they would be smarter than us, they wouldn't be God's creatures, etc.
I think that legislation is the least of this group's worries...
I think this is quite similar to the Segway, aren't we jumping the gun a bit? Trying to enact legislation before this even becomes widespread?
It is great to discuss this sort of stuff in groups and think about what they could do in the future, but to seriously believe that they would need to make sure laws could handle this before anymore than a handful of people are "cyborgs" (there is only one person that I know of that has actual shit inplanted in his body)?
It seems a little excessive. Maybe as implants begin to become more commonplace (I can't see this happening for at least 15-20 years) we should start thinking about it, but until then, how about we try to enact useful legislation (re-opening our freedoms, ending the corporate stranglehold on consumers, forcing competition in corporate markets, etc).
It is 100% illegal and I guess you can say anything illegal *should* also be considered immoral. I disagree on this particular subject though. If I were trading music I wouldn't consider Robin Hood tactics immoral. It is my personal opinion that 99% of the musicians out there lead their own immoral lives, raping the good public of their hard earned money to live lives of lavish expense (i.e. Brittany going to the clubs, doing coke, and getting wasted, along with her entire group of bodyguards and various friends) or (i.e. Cribs showing houses that are beyond belief, shear numbers of cars that are not attainable by any normal person), etc.
They don't deserve what they have and I feel like I should not feel that I should have to support that.
When they get paid in a more acceptable range then stealing from the will be immoral.
Somehow even with all this sharing going on they are still able to make millions and live lives of royalty.
Now, if something like Freenet were to provide fully anonymous, public sharing with the ease-of use and pervasiveness of Kazaa, I think the RIAA would be scared.
Duh, that's why they are publically saying it is hard to use in every article they can. They want the public to be afraid to even try it.
They know that us geeks don't care, but they know that the public only believes what they are fed.
If Joe Blow 13 year old (clueless) hears that Freenet is hard to use over and over, he is less likely to try it.
don't worry, it's another RIAA tactic. Tell people on the Internet about the most popular downloads on P2P networks so that they can pinpoint you easily.
Only the idiots will believe this crap, they will go and download the files, and they will be able to quickly find you because NO ONE ELSE WOULD DOWNLOAD THAT CRAP.
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Folks like the dead are singular creations. Folks like my friend the songwritter are happening by the hundreds.
I have no respect for artists that use other people's music as their entire set. There are plenty of talented individuals that play other people's music, they should keep themselves where they belong, small bars and impersonation acts (this obviously does not include covers during the set of an accomplished band).
I have complete respect for the artists creating the lyrics obviously, I think that they should find another outlet for their words, perhaps their own book of poetry.
Personally, any stupid motherfucker that thinks that someone colludes to bring prices up for entertainment should be punished is infact a moron.
What I think is irrelevant, they were already shown to be guilty of price fixing.
Keep believing your singular solution will work, even though many artists have tried this and it hasn't worked for them.
It hasn't worked for them because they suck as singers and they can't perfom live. I have no respect for those bands that aren't able to live up to what they claim they are supposed to do.
Who the fuck would buy a product that they know is a complete farce? AS SEEN ON CD! Yet when you get it the product falls apart and is nearly worthless. Yeah, no thanks.
ignore the bands that enjoy trying to recreate the perfect version of a song and improving every night.
I don't see how this is relevant to anything. I have nothing against bands that play live. If they want to "recreate the perfect song", I hope that they can and that their fans appreciate that.
Before you talk about how an industry works, please do some research into it and don't just throw out the first "But Blah Does Blah And Blah Is Successful" because more often than not, they are the exception to the rule than the average.
I am uninterested in your single example of how the industry works (via your "friend").
I know how the fucking industry works. They want massive amounts of money and they make that by a) price fixing CD costs (they were shown to be guilty of that and were "punished"), b) they want to manufacture music and force it down everyone's throats by looping it on music stations and spending too much money promoting it, and c) they want to quell any other distribution method other than their own, god forbid they don't have enough money to fix Brittany's voice.
There's no guarantee a tour is going to make an artist a fair amount of money, especially if it's being balanced against a lousy CD royalties agreement or what have you.
A tour is going to make you a fair amount of money if you play decent music live. Problem with the crybaby artists is that they tend to suck ass when it comes to live performances.
Check out this poster's comment. We have the amazing ability these days to make shitty people sound great on the CD but they still suck terribly live.
I posted this comment about recent chart toppers (Hootie and Norah Jones) begin bought in drove on the CD rack but completely sucking ass live.
I have no respect for those people that can't really sing and are being marketed as these wonderful artists.
Show me that you are worth the money and then I might support you when you come out w/a CD. I refuse to do it the other way around.
Ultimately, the recording industry could do themselves a real favor by reviving singles.
.50 for a blank).
.50 CD and be happier.
No, I really don't think so. IIRC, the last time I purchased a single (way back in the late 80s I would guess) on cassette it cost around $3.
Ok, so a regular CD is $13-$20 and a single cassette 12-15 years ago was $3. You think that they are going to sell these two song CDs for anything less than $5? I doubt it.
I am NOT paying $5 when I SHOULD be able to download individual songs THAT I CHOOSE for less than $1 and burn them myself (less than
Instead of one "decent song" and one "crap song" on a $5 CD I could get 80 mins of songs that I paid for at less than $1/each on my
because it is a known fact (they have been found guilty) that they price fix?
Hmm, so, we aren't allowed to distribute music in any other mass medium (because artists can't stand the fact that their individual songs are being sold instead of purchased as a CD thus hurting their chances at worthless Gold/Plat. records?)
We aren't allowed to find music for free (because god forbid we support REAL artists who perform live and allow you to freely trade their music).
Yet they can't make money on selling CDs that cost them pennies to make and pennies to sell but cost millions to pay an artist to allow them to do?
Awww, no more Cribs on MTV because the poor, suffering artists can't hack it actually doing real work for a living.
I have $0 sympathy.
you are quite correct. They do not allow you to trade copies of their albums (understandibly). It is a known fact that most artists are incapable of performing at any decent level live (for example, the VERY popular Hootie and the Blowfish album from several years ago 95? It sold quite a number of copies but they couldn't sing worth a crap live).
How about we continue... Norah Jones? Read one person's feelings on a recent concert of her's. She won how many awards? Her studio stuff is great, her live presence is crap.
Perhaps people don't care for studio music from so-so artists and want a REAL taste of GOOD music?
Where are the legendary bands of the 60s and 70s? The ones with MAJOR staying power? They don't exist anymore. Record labels WANT major profits fast.
I say fuck supporting studio recorded music and only support those bands with the balls to show themselves in public and REALLY play their music.
you can have your observations, but they are moot.
SUPPORT THOSE BANDS THAT ALLOW THE FREE TRADING OF THEIR MUSIC!
I just went to a Dead show in Joliet, IL (I am still smacking myself for not going to the show in Somerset, WI as well as it is on my way home from IL). I saw quite a crowd there to see moe. (they didn't play due to a wrecked/rebuilt stage the night before), Robert Hunter, Bob Dylan, and The Dead.
Amazingly enough, these bands allow and promote the free trading of their music. Somehow, they are still able to turn QUITE a profit, make some INCREDIBLE music, and even have a steady following (Bob Dylan and The Dead have been playing for what 40+ years?)
Here's a list of bands that you SHOULD be supporting.
DMB, a band which is more in the mainstream, makes a pretty penny on CD sales AND touring sales. Imagine that, someone who allows his own stuff to be taped yet makes a profit.
if you are already on google, why not do a search for what you are looking for? I have never found much useful information from anything on USENET. I stopped using it MANY YEARS ago.
Like a +5 post just said, "if you do you own scanning and filtering" it's full of good binaries and text.
So's the web. In this interview it was said that the web is not as good as USENET.
What's the difference then?
hahahhahahaah.
You think that ISPs want to let their users suck 100% of their bandwith 100% of the day on P2P? Why do you think that quite a few Universities have gone to throttling/closing those ports?
Do you think that download caps and per MB charges over that cap are not to curb people from using P2P?
yeah, and when there is a problem (i.e. cable modem uncapping, IP theft, abuse, etc) it will be so easy to find these offenders.
because under CURRENT LEGISLATION (also known as THE LAW), the RIAA has every right (from what we can gather) to do what they are doing.
Now, SBC is fighting that (which is not unlawful) but they still do have "obligations under the law" to turn that information over.
The fact that we don't agree with the law has absolutely nothing to do with this.
well, I *tried* to use my legitimate copy of WindowsXP that came with my E-machine. Turns out that the machine actually comes with XP installed but doesn't come with an XP CD. This confused me...
So I paid for a machine with XP installed yet I don't get a copy of XP? Sure, I get a copy, it's on the RESTORE CD. The XP key is on a tag on the e-machine itself.
So, I buy this piece of software included in my machine purchase but I cannot use it unless I use it on the e-machine. Seems slightly ridiculous to me.
So yes, I am using Linux on my e-machine now and I paid for XP but I just can't bring myself to install XP from a restore CD (just what I need, to spend 3 weeks uninstalling a ton of pre-installed bullshit).
Fun stuff.
I certainly doubt the NSA it too worried, and I doubt that the majority of people will generate good passwords/keys, but it's a step in the right direction.
Is someone going to go out and buy this MB if they aren't intending on using other good security measures?
The general public doesn't create decent password/key pairs. Joe Schmoe is not going to buy this board. Paranoid freaks are.
ABIT's site shows a little key that contains the decoder.
vuglar language.
;)
Flash video of Monty Python's famous skit
Interesting, I only beat them by 23 hours.
1. if you don't like it, don't buy Nokia.
2. the phone costs you $0 to $50 on average (if you pay more than that for a cell phone you are either a cell phone freak or you are crazy) they have to make money on accessories (just like Lexmark printers, the printers are $0 - $99 and their ink is $30/pop)
animals other than humans (and insects) are the least of our worries...
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We have countries on this planet that still discriminate because of religion, race, culture, background, color, etc (the US is one of them duh).
I think we should seriously worry about fixing the problems that we already have and not even bother to worry about the "rights" of insects and other animals.
By the way, I think that a cyborg (human + machine) is FAR more close to us than a mosquito.
Just my worthless
I think that there is no current legislation that would block it. I think that it would cause ethical concerns.
Conservatives would not want cyborgs and AI robots running around with rights. They would be stronger than us, they would be smarter than us, they wouldn't be God's creatures, etc.
I think that legislation is the least of this group's worries...
I think this is quite similar to the Segway, aren't we jumping the gun a bit? Trying to enact legislation before this even becomes widespread?
It is great to discuss this sort of stuff in groups and think about what they could do in the future, but to seriously believe that they would need to make sure laws could handle this before anymore than a handful of people are "cyborgs" (there is only one person that I know of that has actual shit inplanted in his body)?
It seems a little excessive. Maybe as implants begin to become more commonplace (I can't see this happening for at least 15-20 years) we should start thinking about it, but until then, how about we try to enact useful legislation (re-opening our freedoms, ending the corporate stranglehold on consumers, forcing competition in corporate markets, etc).
Yay for timewasters!
File trading is 100% illegal and immoral.
It is 100% illegal and I guess you can say anything illegal *should* also be considered immoral. I disagree on this particular subject though. If I were trading music I wouldn't consider Robin Hood tactics immoral. It is my personal opinion that 99% of the musicians out there lead their own immoral lives, raping the good public of their hard earned money to live lives of lavish expense (i.e. Brittany going to the clubs, doing coke, and getting wasted, along with her entire group of bodyguards and various friends) or (i.e. Cribs showing houses that are beyond belief, shear numbers of cars that are not attainable by any normal person), etc.
They don't deserve what they have and I feel like I should not feel that I should have to support that.
When they get paid in a more acceptable range then stealing from the will be immoral.
Somehow even with all this sharing going on they are still able to make millions and live lives of royalty.
Amazing.
you're insane. That's too much work.
I get 200kB/s+ on BitTorrent downloads. Much faster and easier.
Now, if something like Freenet were to provide fully anonymous, public sharing with the ease-of use and pervasiveness of Kazaa, I think the RIAA would be scared.
Duh, that's why they are publically saying it is hard to use in every article they can. They want the public to be afraid to even try it.
They know that us geeks don't care, but they know that the public only believes what they are fed.
If Joe Blow 13 year old (clueless) hears that Freenet is hard to use over and over, he is less likely to try it.
don't worry, it's another RIAA tactic. Tell people on the Internet about the most popular downloads on P2P networks so that they can pinpoint you easily.
:)
Only the idiots will believe this crap, they will go and download the files, and they will be able to quickly find you because NO ONE ELSE WOULD DOWNLOAD THAT CRAP.
Busta Rhymes my ass
what about IRC? There are now PUBLIC web spiders that search IRC networks for bots that are carrying Warez (music, movies, etc).
You search em, they tell you what server, channel, and bot to hit up for your stuff.
Newsgroups are a pain in the ass to get anything from. UUDECODE and other formats are used and generally the files are split over MANY messsages.