SCO could have presented proof, requesting that it be sealed by court order, but they didn't
Because SCO GmbH Germany was a) not allowed to do so by order of SCO Inc. b) SCO Inc. did not give SCO GmbH Germany these small pieces of evidence.
(yes, I spoke to the SCO GmbH Germany CEO, see other thread for details)
The first part of your statement is perfectly right. I just want to add that
1. There were many requests for an preliminary injunction, not just by LinuxTag (and they all succeeded) 2. In all cases SCO has to be read: SCO GmbH Germany.
I thought you'd all be violently opposed to the lack of freedom of speech in Germany.
Although your post appears to be some kind of flamebait, you are dealing with valid points.
If Mr. Bremer (CEO of SCO GmbH in Germany) walks to the street and says "I personally believe that Linux is inviting the whole world to steal our code", it's okay.
The preliminary injunction only applies to the doings of SCO and its employees in business.
The short version (which omits many important points) is:
"The world sucks" --> nothing happens.
"SCO sucks" --> if you are a competitor of SCO, SCO might be able to request a preliminary injunction against this statement.
"You suck" --> under normal circumstances, "you" might be able to request a criminal investigation for insulting. Of course, there are situations where "you suck" might be justified.
Could you please specify why you think that there is a lack of freedom of speech in Germany in this case?
(personally, I agree to this article 130 of the German criminal law which makes it illegal to deny the murder of millions of people under the 3rd Reich)
This also allows any international company to politely ask SCO to send the licensing request to their German IT department. Or move the IT department mailing address to Germany for the same reason.
Well, $700 USD per CPU are nothing compared to German income tax:)
So if you sum everything up, surrendering to SCO might not be the worst outcome from a fiscal standpoint.
They are not. the civil law system of each country in the EU is seperated. There are only a few links between them when it comes to civil rights.
Most countries in Europe (not the EU. The Council of Europe is somehwat larger than the EU... And the continent Europe is larger than the council of europe..) have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights. When the national way of procedure (Appeals, Revision, national supreme court) ends and you still think your human rights are violated, you are allowed to go to the Human Righs Court in Strasbourg (France).
It's not the amount of the fine that's important. (Who gets the money anyway.) It's the 'official' trashing of SCO's accusations which is important.
You too, my dear friend, misunderstood this fine. It was not because SCO could not prove anything but rather the other side could prove that SCO did not follow to a preliminary injunction from some weeks ago.
This is still good news but it was not about SCO's claims regarding Linux.
According to SCO-Germany's CEO, they were not given authorisation to present any proof to the judge. (Obviously, you won't find a German judge who signs a NDA). But all this was relevant *before* the preliminary injunction came into effect. The whole debate today was about SCO's efforts to comply with this preliminary injunction. You bette not mix those two 'battle fields'.
it goes like this (only applicable in Countries with preliminary injunctions against SCO regarding their Linux statements):
1. call the SCO HQ. 2. ask them about ther 'Linux end user license'. 3. The SCO person will answer "we can't tell you about this because a German court does not allow this." 4. pretend to be surprised. 5. hang up.
6. call again. 7. tell them that you actually read the preliminary injunction and it does not tell anything about the SCO-Linux-License. 8. ask again to send information about this SCO-Linux-License to you 9. listen to their suffering....
and so on.
I did it 4 times and the last time, they forwarded me to the CEO of SCO Germany. It's funny indeed.
My dictionary says that "schadenfreude" is also an english word.
(I don't know if the translation left the meaning alive but I think we are all waiting for a judge who finishes this SCO behavior by negating SCO's claims)
$10,800 USD seems a bit low, considering that SCOs lies and threats have probably damaged Linux companies and consultants many times that amount.
You were right if this fine was for messing around with the Linux community. This fine is only because SCO did not follow a preliminary injunction promptly. Certain statements were shown on sco.de *after* this injunction came into effect.
If you speak German, you might check out the original injunction (one of many) a this place here.
although it does make browsing the links from a story a little less exciting
Depends on your expectations. On a boring day, there is nothing more exciting than discovering a forein language and playing around with it. The milage may vary but there have been many moments of success for me, when I tried to figure out the meaning of huge norwegian sentences:)
Why so many german articles lately(as opposed to portugese, mandarin, polish or russian for ex.)?
The answer is pretty easy (to a certain extend..): YOU DID NOT SUBMIT THEM!
simple, isn't it? (okay, I may have skipped one or two steps)..
Thank you for your offer. There might be some "Jeg forstar ikke"-mails in your mailbox:)
Your first point is absolutely valid to a certain extend.
While I am a German native speaker, the majority of the information I read is a) English b) German with at least 20 per cent English buzzwords.
Every time/. is linking towards non-English sites, there is someone posting a translation in here. (t+5minutes: automatic ones like babelfish, altavista or google; t+20 minutes exerpts in a usable translation; t+1h a nice translation).
This is actually a good thing and the people who are doing these translations are heavyly dependant on your feedback.
From a pracical side, it would be not so nice not to point to non-English sites, when they are covering an interesting topic. As long as there are people here who are helping those people who have chosen to learn different languages, I don't see you being handicapped.
Btw. do I hear you volunteering to answer stupid questions from non-English-native-speakers to explain rare english words which can't be found in an online dictionary for some reason?
I have nothing in common with lets say someone from Italy other than currency and open boarders as an european.
This would be a good point if I had declared Europe as one *nation* rather than one *country*.
Go back 50 years in history when the German constitution was made. The free state of bavaria did not agree to this constitution - claiming the same as you did. From 'their' perspective, they did not have anything in common with people from northern Germany.
On my passport as a dane it says Danish citizen, not a citizen of european union.....
Look at Article 8 of the Draft Constitution of the European Union. Here is a link to the dansk version.
Article 8: Citizenship of the Union 1. Every national of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to national citizenship; it shall not replace it.
Since European carrier rockets are in their fifth generation now, I wouldn't consider them "news".
This so called 5th generation of the Ariane carrier rocket is as much a 5th generation as windows 95 is the 95th version./. has linked to that: Uprated "10-ton" Ariane 5 Fails
I'm living in Frankfurt/Germany. Last month I was at a study session in Strasbourg/France. I could have left my passport or my ID card at home. As long as your skin is white enough, borders within the Schengen countries do not apply to you. You enter the train in - let's say Karlsruhe - and you leave it in Strasbourg without having noticed a thing called "border".
If I were a German of turkish origin, my experience would be totally different. German or French border police would have picked me up, would have checked my passport and maybe my pockets.
Under these circumstances, it might be arrogant to say ist but for me as some kind of WASP, Europe has become one country.
If you take it from a legal perspective, there is more evidence. About 50 per cent of the new laws in 'the German part of Europe' are more or less ratifications from European ones.
Well, and nobody can take away my optimism that this European Constitution will come into effect soon. (Actually, this is not the first European Constitution but this is the first time they call it that way).
When I read the German version, I remember that almost every page contained many pictures, screenshots and all these things which will blow up the file size.
IMHO, presenting pictures in a usability study *is* justified and on my crappy system, Acrobat Reader survived, btw.
This is great! If you Google on ``SCO execs dumping stock'' this is what Google news turns up:
SCO Execs Dumping Stock Slashdot - 2 hours ago By Jeff Heard. Lindon, UT - The SCO Group announced the launch of a campaign to shoot 1% of all babies born in the US. "Statistically...
Well, it happened before.
I made screenshots about this when google news caught my comment on the overture aquisition last month.
Slashdot Mirror
Because SCO GmbH Germany was
a) not allowed to do so by order of SCO Inc.
b) SCO Inc. did not give SCO GmbH Germany these small pieces of evidence.
(yes, I spoke to the SCO GmbH Germany CEO, see other thread for details)
The first part of your statement is perfectly right. I just want to add that
1. There were many requests for an preliminary injunction, not just by LinuxTag (and they all succeeded)
2. In all cases SCO has to be read: SCO GmbH Germany.
Although your post appears to be some kind of flamebait, you are dealing with valid points.
If Mr. Bremer (CEO of SCO GmbH in Germany) walks to the street and says "I personally believe that Linux is inviting the whole world to steal our code", it's okay.
The preliminary injunction only applies to the doings of SCO and its employees in business.
The short version (which omits many important points) is:
"The world sucks" --> nothing happens.
"SCO sucks" --> if you are a competitor of SCO, SCO might be able to request a preliminary injunction against this statement.
"You suck" --> under normal circumstances, "you" might be able to request a criminal investigation for insulting. Of course, there are situations where "you suck" might be justified.
Could you please specify why you think that there is a lack of freedom of speech in Germany in this case?
(personally, I agree to this article 130 of the German criminal law which makes it illegal to deny the murder of millions of people under the 3rd Reich)
Well, $700 USD per CPU are nothing compared to German income tax
So if you sum everything up, surrendering to SCO might not be the worst outcome from a fiscal standpoint.
SCNR.
They are not.
the civil law system of each country in the EU is seperated. There are only a few links between them when it comes to civil rights.
Most countries in Europe (not the EU. The Council of Europe is somehwat larger than the EU... And the continent Europe is larger than the council of europe..) have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights. When the national way of procedure (Appeals, Revision, national supreme court) ends and you still think your human rights are violated, you are allowed to go to the Human Righs Court in Strasbourg (France).
This does not apply to the current SCO-case.
It might change in the future.
You too, my dear friend, misunderstood this fine. It was not because SCO could not prove anything but rather the other side could prove that SCO did not follow to a preliminary injunction from some weeks ago.
This is still good news but it was not about SCO's claims regarding Linux.
According to SCO-Germany's CEO, they were not given authorisation to present any proof to the judge. (Obviously, you won't find a German judge who signs a NDA). But all this was relevant *before* the preliminary injunction came into effect. The whole debate today was about SCO's efforts to comply with this preliminary injunction. You bette not mix those two 'battle fields'.
argh. you were right.
/. form. Shame on me.
I asked my favourite dictionary for "wunsch" but i did not copy the result to the
it goes like this (only applicable in Countries with preliminary injunctions against SCO regarding their Linux statements):
...
1. call the SCO HQ.
2. ask them about ther 'Linux end user license'.
3. The SCO person will answer "we can't tell you about this because a German court does not allow this."
4. pretend to be surprised.
5. hang up.
6. call again.
7. tell them that you actually read the preliminary injunction and it does not tell anything about the SCO-Linux-License.
8. ask again to send information about this SCO-Linux-License to you
9. listen to their suffering.
and so on.
I did it 4 times and the last time, they forwarded me to the CEO of SCO Germany. It's funny indeed.
My dictionary says that "schadenfreude" is also an english word.
A German saying is:
"Der Wunsch war Vater des Gedankens"
"The was father of the thought"
(I don't know if the translation left the meaning alive but I think we are all waiting for a judge who finishes this SCO behavior by negating SCO's claims)
Please don't misunderstand this fine. This is not about the (doubtful) statements of SCO.
SCO GmbH in Germany was only fined because they did not fully comply with a preliminary injunction which told them not to repeat certain statements.
You were right if this fine was for messing around with the Linux community. This fine is only because SCO did not follow a preliminary injunction promptly. Certain statements were shown on sco.de *after* this injunction came into effect.
If you speak German, you might check out the original injunction (one of many) a this place here.
Argh, even that got filtered out.
;" would be the right HTML code.
/.
"& e a c u t e
Anyway, I can't think of any reason for filtering them out in the comment section of
Ooops. Sorry, I did not see your posting and said the same just on another thread.
Actually, there is some kind of accent on the e of Nove ( ) but the slashdot form does not accept this character.
At least that's what "the internet" tells me:
:)
search for Nove Hrady:
1. dot.kde.org
2. www.novehrady.cz
I love google
Thank you for replying.
Depends on your expectations. On a boring day, there is nothing more exciting than discovering a forein language and playing around with it. The milage may vary but there have been many moments of success for me, when I tried to figure out the meaning of huge norwegian sentences
The answer is pretty easy (to a certain extend..): YOU DID NOT SUBMIT THEM!
simple, isn't it? (okay, I may have skipped one or two steps)..
Thank you for your offer.
There might be some "Jeg forstar ikke"-mails in your mailbox
Have a nice day.
The Ikarus/Icare Project was used for a completely solar powered plane.
Daedalus is the name for a series of human muscle powered plane.
Phoenix only incinerates itself every 500/1000 years. This is a tolerable lifetime for a space vehicle, imho.
Short intro about the phoenix bird in German and English
Your first point is absolutely valid to a certain extend.
/. is linking towards non-English sites, there is someone posting a translation in here. (t+5minutes: automatic ones like babelfish, altavista or google; t+20 minutes exerpts in a usable translation; t+1h a nice translation).
While I am a German native speaker, the majority of the information I read is
a) English
b) German with at least 20 per cent English buzzwords.
Every time
This is actually a good thing and the people who are doing these translations are heavyly dependant on your feedback.
From a pracical side, it would be not so nice not to point to non-English sites, when they are covering an interesting topic. As long as there are people here who are helping those people who have chosen to learn different languages, I don't see you being handicapped.
Btw. do I hear you volunteering to answer stupid questions from non-English-native-speakers to explain rare english words which can't be found in an online dictionary for some reason?
Sorry, this thread has become so much offtopic now.
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Closing the pusher street Christiania in Copenhagen is now discussed for more than 5 month very intensively.
Danemark: Aus fur "Pusherstreet"?
Silence on Pusherstrasse [DRCNet WOL#280, 28.03.2003]
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/280.html#christianiastr
Danish Politicians Seek Cannabis Crackdown in Christiania [DRCNet WOL#228, 15.03.2002]
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/228.html#christiania
and here are pictures from a police raid
http://www.hampenyt.dk/razzia%20i%20pusherstreet.
This would be a good point if I had declared Europe as one *nation* rather than one *country*.
Go back 50 years in history when the German constitution was made. The free state of bavaria did not agree to this constitution - claiming the same as you did. From 'their' perspective, they did not have anything in common with people from northern Germany.
Look at Article 8 of the Draft Constitution of the European Union. Here is a link to the dansk version.
Article 8: Citizenship of the Union
1. Every national of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union
shall be additional to national citizenship; it shall not replace it.
This so called 5th generation of the Ariane carrier rocket is as much a 5th generation as windows 95 is the 95th version.
I'm living in Frankfurt/Germany. Last month I was at a study session in Strasbourg/France. I could have left my passport or my ID card at home. As long as your skin is white enough, borders within the Schengen countries do not apply to you. You enter the train in - let's say Karlsruhe - and you leave it in Strasbourg without having noticed a thing called "border".
If I were a German of turkish origin, my experience would be totally different. German or French border police would have picked me up, would have checked my passport and maybe my pockets.
Under these circumstances, it might be arrogant to say ist but for me as some kind of WASP, Europe has become one country.
If you take it from a legal perspective, there is more evidence. About 50 per cent of the new laws in 'the German part of Europe' are more or less ratifications from European ones.
Well, and nobody can take away my optimism that this European Constitution will come into effect soon. (Actually, this is not the first European Constitution but this is the first time they call it that way).
Well, if I had any moderation points left, you would get some +1 Funny from me.
And yes: I like Debian in a rather strange way but not because installing is comfortable.
(Btw: Did I miss a slashcode update or why is there no [debian.org] flag behind your link?
This posting on heise (German word for slashdot in some way) shows some interesting points:
* National Grid seems to use OPC
OLE for Process Control
OPC is based on the COM/DCOM modell.
Further investigation is under development...
When I read the German version, I remember that almost every page contained many pictures, screenshots and all these things which will blow up the file size.
IMHO, presenting pictures in a usability study *is* justified and on my crappy system, Acrobat Reader survived, btw.
Well, it happened before.
I made screenshots about this when google news caught my comment on the overture aquisition last month.