He should get a much more severe punishment, including a massive fine payable to the victim.
Faking this kind of thing should be a 10 year minimum stretch plus a minimum 100,000 dollars payable to the victim.
Or, we should decriminalize the mere possession of bits and bytes on your hard drive. It scares me to think how many may have been nailed for kiddie porn unjustly because someone else planted it -- and was able to keep mouth shut about it.
Law Enforcement should be spending its efforts going after the perverts that create kiddie porn, where it would actually do the poor kids some good. As far as possessing the bits and bytes on your computer, the only requirement should be to delete it. Not go to jail and have your reputation ruined and have your life f***ed up over it.
But I know -- that would make too much damned sense.
We have so many stupid laws today that you can't even step foot outside your house without breaking half a dozen or so. It's really dumb and stupid. But leave it to government to totally control us anyway it can.
how many governments get rid of "undesirables" by planting child porn on their computers.
Throwing a baggie of pot behind your toaster is just so passé these days...
I have reason to suspect it happened to a public official in my State, once. Someone mysteriously reported kiddie porn on his laptop. How would someone know about that unless that someone put it their himself?
What a paranoid society we live in. One person says, "boo", and another's life is ruined.
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jurys most of the time are to dumb to think of that.
We need smarter jurys on computers or some to say in the jury room that any one of your can be in the same place for just 1 pron or other pop up.
Yours might be serving up kiddie porn, stolen credit card numbers, or trade secrets right now.
Probably not. But then again, other than my laptop (which I reimage periodically just in case) I don't have any Windows systems running and everything else is as tight as I can make it. No guarantees, of course... but Mr. Weiner would have had a harder time with someone who takes a few precautions. Hell, that caretaker would have probably been safe from his handyman's depredations if he'd just passworded his desktop.
I'll bet he does now.
Unless the hard drives are encrypted, all bets are off. It's just too easy to boot off of a distro like Knoppix and do anything to the hard drives you want.
For some truly enterprising sickness, how about creating a Bootable Kiddie Porn Distro, which will automatically infect your target's computer with kiddie porn in a way that would fool forensics? Just imagine the level of damage you could do!
Isn't it a lot easier to get child pornography than to get cocaine? If I recall correctly, it doesn't have to be an actual photo to be child pornography: drawings count, and perhaps doctored photos? Never mind the aforementioned 4chan source.
This is true. Lolicon now counts as "child porn" despite the fact no actual child was ever involved. It's just cartoons.
Don't ever sketch kiddie porn on a napkin in a restaurant. You could go to jail for a long time for making naughty with your pencil.
If you know what you are doing, all bets are off. You can finger anyone with kiddie porn and leave no obvious trail behind. All you need is physical access to the computer. Unless the hard drives are encrypted, they are open and vulnerable. And even if they are encrypted, they are still vulnerable if the computer is left running unattended.
This is primarily why it should not be illegal just to possess a certain set of bits and bytes on your machine. You can make it so you can fool the best of forensics experts. And most law enforcement who does the analysis simply use lame-brain software to scan for the kiddie porn files.
It would be easy, for instance, to write a virus that would spread to your machine, download kiddie porn, create fake tracks that would fool forensics, and then delete itself without a trace. Can you imagine if something like that got out and infected millions of computers with kiddie porn?
Well, for one, it would probably end this nonsense of destroying people's lives simply because they had the "wrong" files on their computer!
Not to mention nailing people for files on their computer does NOTHING to stop the production of kiddie porn. As always, law enforcement is focusing on the wrong end of the problem. They should be going after the guys who pervert children in making the kiddie porn. Why don't they do this? Oh, I get it -- too much work. Poor kids. Too much bother for Law Enforcement to go after the REAL perverts. Sorry, kiddies.
Indoctrinate the children when they are young and they are yours for life. Even Hitler knew this. Not the same thing obviously, but I still don't like any political party working so hard to program children with their version of "wisdom".
I've already got the equivalent of "anti-virus software" installed in my kids. It's called Critical Thinking!!!!;-)
There is a role in the government for protecting kids.
This isn't it, but there is one.
The government is incapable of "protecting" kids. And when it tries, things can go horribly wrong. It's the role of the parent to protect kids. There are no substitutes. Period.
Yeah, how about parents being RESPONSIBLE to keep their own kids away from the "harmful content" of the Internet, if they feel that way, rather than a lone state attempting to restrict the entire world according to what they consider "decent".
The more I see from Massachusetts, the more the term "Mass Holes" apply. These issues were settled eons ago.
And let PARENTS, not the friggin' STATE, be responsible for the kids. Duh. Sick of the government trying to usurp my role as parent!!! CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
Profiling stinks, big time. And besides that, I've never heard of an Indian terrorist in the western world. So not only do their profiling stinks, it's not even accurate.
Or...
It's just an excuse for xenophobia. My word, he had to be validated by "whites" to be seen as "OK". Really makes me sick to my stomach that this kind of crap still goes on in our world.
I saw an Amiga 2500UX once. It was a demo unit owned by Creative Equipment in Miami, but from what I remember, there really wasn't much you could actually *do* with it at the time unless you were a college professor or grad student with a Unix-related obsession. There wasn't really any commercial software for it, and I doubt whether it even shipped with the necessary libraries to build anything more ambitious than maybe "Adventure", "Spacewar", and "Life" -- all of which were undoubtedly cool in the 70s, but didn't seem very interesting compared to "Bard's Tale", "Federation of Free Traders", and "Lemmings";-)
Agreed.
Like I said, Commodore killed the development of Amiga Unix, which I think was a bonehead move on their part. Amiga Unix would been a favourite for those schools teaching CS, and the student wouldve brought Amiga Unix into the workplace once they moved on.
This is not the first time Commodore gave up a golden opportunity to get into the schools. It made the exact same bonehead mistake with the Commodore PET and Commodore 64. It handed over that market to Apple, where the grads did exactly as you'd expect -- took the Macs with them into the workplace, and the rest is history for Apple.
If you make the same major bonehead mistake twice, you deserve to die. And die Commodore did. Wonderful technology; lousy marketing.
You get harassed for "being white", I get harassed for "being black",...
If it makes you feel better... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime.
Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority.
Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.
Oh, there's much better ways of dealing with such types. Throw them in a prison full of the very ones the despise. The rest will take care of itself... right up there where the sun never shines.
Close but no cigar. The gift was to the US Embassy in Moscow. The inventor was Theremin of Beach Boys fame.
"The Thing, also known as the Great Seal bug, was one of the first covert listening devices (or "bugs") to use 'passive' techniques to transmit an audio signal. It is considered a predecessor of current RFID technology, because it was likewise passive, being energized and activated by electromagnetic waves from an outside source."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Seal_bug
For a second there it almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about.
Don't be snooty about it. It's been a couple of decades give or take since I read/heard about this device. I have a long memory, but sometimes it fuzzes with time.
I spent 2 years in China working for a software outsourcing company. Although there were a handful of other Americans at the company, I was the only one that wasn't of Asian descent. It was funny, really -- any time important people toured the company, they'd always stop by my desk to introduce me, even though I wasn't any sort of important role. Just being the "token white guy" got me a decent amount of attention. It was quite odd.
In general, though, being "white" in China still has privileges. I was in one of the most modern cities in China (Shenzhen, near where all your iPods are made) Just a friendly smile would set young women in hysterical giggles. Random people at the bus stop would ask me if I would be their friend. The banks would let me skip the line and go to the VIP counter. My Asian-American friends, on the other hand, didn't get nearly the special treatment. While people would compliment my horrible butchering of the Chinese language, people would ask them why they couldn't speak better. Sadly, I guess that means that racism is still thriving in some parts of the world....
Reminds me of a sketch Eddie Murphy did once about painting himself as a "white guy" and everyone started treating him with all these privileges. I hear something similar happens in India, too. But there is has more to do with being "American" than being "white".
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We all have something to hide. That's what privacy is all about -- our right to hide what we don't want the world to know about.
Hell, we may as well go back to having Salem Witch Trials. Same level of inanity.
He should get a much more severe punishment, including a massive fine payable to the victim.
Faking this kind of thing should be a 10 year minimum stretch plus a minimum 100,000 dollars payable to the victim.
Or, we should decriminalize the mere possession of bits and bytes on your hard drive. It scares me to think how many may have been nailed for kiddie porn unjustly because someone else planted it -- and was able to keep mouth shut about it.
Law Enforcement should be spending its efforts going after the perverts that create kiddie porn, where it would actually do the poor kids some good. As far as possessing the bits and bytes on your computer, the only requirement should be to delete it. Not go to jail and have your reputation ruined and have your life f***ed up over it.
But I know -- that would make too much damned sense.
Double-plus good, my brother.
how many governments get rid of "undesirables" by planting child porn on their computers.
Throwing a baggie of pot behind your toaster is just so passé these days...
I have reason to suspect it happened to a public official in my State, once. Someone mysteriously reported kiddie porn on his laptop. How would someone know about that unless that someone put it their himself?
What a paranoid society we live in. One person says, "boo", and another's life is ruined.
jurys most of the time are to dumb to think of that.
We need smarter jurys on computers or some to say in the jury room that any one of your can be in the same place for just 1 pron or other pop up.
Smarter juries? Good luck with that.
Yours might be serving up kiddie porn, stolen credit card numbers, or trade secrets right now.
Probably not. But then again, other than my laptop (which I reimage periodically just in case) I don't have any Windows systems running and everything else is as tight as I can make it. No guarantees, of course ... but Mr. Weiner would have had a harder time with someone who takes a few precautions. Hell, that caretaker would have probably been safe from his handyman's depredations if he'd just passworded his desktop.
I'll bet he does now.
Unless the hard drives are encrypted, all bets are off. It's just too easy to boot off of a distro like Knoppix and do anything to the hard drives you want.
For some truly enterprising sickness, how about creating a Bootable Kiddie Porn Distro, which will automatically infect your target's computer with kiddie porn in a way that would fool forensics? Just imagine the level of damage you could do!
Isn't it a lot easier to get child pornography than to get cocaine? If I recall correctly, it doesn't have to be an actual photo to be child pornography: drawings count, and perhaps doctored photos? Never mind the aforementioned 4chan source.
This is true. Lolicon now counts as "child porn" despite the fact no actual child was ever involved. It's just cartoons. Don't ever sketch kiddie porn on a napkin in a restaurant. You could go to jail for a long time for making naughty with your pencil.
So walking around with a bomb strapped to your chest is ok? Or carrying a machine gun into a bank? There have to be limits, silly. :p
Carrying a gun into the bank should be OK. Using it to rob the bank, on the other hand, is a different matter.
But it would be tough to do that if everyone were open-carrying, anyway. Hello, we can end the cycle of victimhood already.
This is primarily why it should not be illegal just to possess a certain set of bits and bytes on your machine. You can make it so you can fool the best of forensics experts. And most law enforcement who does the analysis simply use lame-brain software to scan for the kiddie porn files.
It would be easy, for instance, to write a virus that would spread to your machine, download kiddie porn, create fake tracks that would fool forensics, and then delete itself without a trace. Can you imagine if something like that got out and infected millions of computers with kiddie porn?
Well, for one, it would probably end this nonsense of destroying people's lives simply because they had the "wrong" files on their computer!
Not to mention nailing people for files on their computer does NOTHING to stop the production of kiddie porn. As always, law enforcement is focusing on the wrong end of the problem. They should be going after the guys who pervert children in making the kiddie porn. Why don't they do this? Oh, I get it -- too much work. Poor kids. Too much bother for Law Enforcement to go after the REAL perverts. Sorry, kiddies.
Indoctrinate the children when they are young and they are yours for life. Even Hitler knew this. Not the same thing obviously, but I still don't like any political party working so hard to program children with their version of "wisdom".
I've already got the equivalent of "anti-virus software" installed in my kids. It's called Critical Thinking!!!! ;-)
Government, leave our kids the hell ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a role in the government for protecting kids.
This isn't it, but there is one.
The government is incapable of "protecting" kids. And when it tries, things can go horribly wrong. It's the role of the parent to protect kids. There are no substitutes. Period.
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The more I see from Massachusetts, the more the term "Mass Holes" apply. These issues were settled eons ago.
And let PARENTS, not the friggin' STATE, be responsible for the kids. Duh. Sick of the government trying to usurp my role as parent!!! CUT IT OUT ALREADY!
Profiling stinks, big time. And besides that, I've never heard of an Indian terrorist in the western world. So not only do their profiling stinks, it's not even accurate.
Or...
It's just an excuse for xenophobia. My word, he had to be validated by "whites" to be seen as "OK". Really makes me sick to my stomach that this kind of crap still goes on in our world.
I saw an Amiga 2500UX once. It was a demo unit owned by Creative Equipment in Miami, but from what I remember, there really wasn't much you could actually *do* with it at the time unless you were a college professor or grad student with a Unix-related obsession. There wasn't really any commercial software for it, and I doubt whether it even shipped with the necessary libraries to build anything more ambitious than maybe "Adventure", "Spacewar", and "Life" -- all of which were undoubtedly cool in the 70s, but didn't seem very interesting compared to "Bard's Tale", "Federation of Free Traders", and "Lemmings" ;-)
Agreed.
Like I said, Commodore killed the development of Amiga Unix, which I think was a bonehead move on their part. Amiga Unix would been a favourite for those schools teaching CS, and the student wouldve brought Amiga Unix into the workplace once they moved on.
This is not the first time Commodore gave up a golden opportunity to get into the schools. It made the exact same bonehead mistake with the Commodore PET and Commodore 64. It handed over that market to Apple, where the grads did exactly as you'd expect -- took the Macs with them into the workplace, and the rest is history for Apple.
If you make the same major bonehead mistake twice, you deserve to die. And die Commodore did. Wonderful technology; lousy marketing.
If it makes you feel better ... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime.
Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority.
Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.
Oh, there's much better ways of dealing with such types. Throw them in a prison full of the very ones the despise. The rest will take care of itself... right up there where the sun never shines.
Yeah, they don't tend to fall for the "Simon says put your hand up if you're a spy" approach.
Funny, that.
Close but no cigar. The gift was to the US Embassy in Moscow. The inventor was Theremin of Beach Boys fame. "The Thing, also known as the Great Seal bug, was one of the first covert listening devices (or "bugs") to use 'passive' techniques to transmit an audio signal. It is considered a predecessor of current RFID technology, because it was likewise passive, being energized and activated by electromagnetic waves from an outside source." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Seal_bug For a second there it almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about.
Don't be snooty about it. It's been a couple of decades give or take since I read/heard about this device. I have a long memory, but sometimes it fuzzes with time.
> The US guys couldn't figure it out, so they consulted British scientists!
Truly dumb. I wouldn't have even needed scientists--I would have started with the question "So, have you gotten any gifts from any Russians recently?"
Yeah, DUH!
I know! It's just the same with the half-dozen ninja assassins lurking in my apartment! But they're there. I can feel it.
I think that by the time you feel it, it's already too late. :-)
To be fair, it might have been just as well made by children - at least when it comes to visible parts ;p
Also, the seal device was actually hung on a wall in Soviet Union, by the US ambassador there. The interesting part made by no other but...Theremin.
Yes, I forgot about that (how could I?!!). Woooeeeoooowwww oowwwoowwoowww....
Cool! Thanks.
I spent 2 years in China working for a software outsourcing company. Although there were a handful of other Americans at the company, I was the only one that wasn't of Asian descent. It was funny, really -- any time important people toured the company, they'd always stop by my desk to introduce me, even though I wasn't any sort of important role. Just being the "token white guy" got me a decent amount of attention. It was quite odd.
In general, though, being "white" in China still has privileges. I was in one of the most modern cities in China (Shenzhen, near where all your iPods are made) Just a friendly smile would set young women in hysterical giggles. Random people at the bus stop would ask me if I would be their friend. The banks would let me skip the line and go to the VIP counter. My Asian-American friends, on the other hand, didn't get nearly the special treatment. While people would compliment my horrible butchering of the Chinese language, people would ask them why they couldn't speak better. Sadly, I guess that means that racism is still thriving in some parts of the world....
Reminds me of a sketch Eddie Murphy did once about painting himself as a "white guy" and everyone started treating him with all these privileges. I hear something similar happens in India, too. But there is has more to do with being "American" than being "white".