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Chinese Companies Rent White Foreigners

The job market may look bad here, but if you're in China, and you happen to be white, all you need is a suit and tie. An increasing number of Chinese companies are willing to pay any price to have a few fair-skinned faux employees walking around. From the article: "'Face, we say in China, is more important than life itself,' said Zhang Haihua, author of Think Like Chinese. 'Because Western countries are so developed, people think they are more well off, so people think that if a company can hire foreigners, it must have a lot of money and have very important connections overseas. So when they really want to impress someone, they may roll out a foreigner.' Or rent one."

145 comments

  1. The real reason theyre renting us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    They rent us because we can pronounce our L's and R's

    1. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh dear. Its the Japanese who have problems with those sounds, not the Chinese. How lacist.

    2. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by Moryath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, the Japanese and Jackie Chan...

      Of course, this is nothing new. Westerners have been "renting" asian women especially for years, especially during armed conflicts...

    3. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by Cornelius+the+Great · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chinese have problems with with R sounds.

      In college, every math professor who were Chinese (about 1/4 of my math dept) I had would say "ploblem". It became so much a joke that I would even write "ploblem" instead of "problem" in my notes and homework... it was always the little things like that kept me awake in complex analysis.

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    4. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by ljgshkg · · Score: 1

      That depends on the dialect they're speaking. Different dialects can have very different characteristics, and people with different dialects have different difficulties on pronouncing English.

    5. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by IdolizingStewie · · Score: 1

      A coworker of mine who emigrated from South Korea has problems too.

    6. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Hell, who cares??

      Where do I sign up for one of these jobs?

      I mean..almost a type of welfare job for white guys!! I could be a token whitey for the right price!!

      :)

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    7. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      Southern Chinese have problems with R sounds.

      Northern Chinese have too much R sound. Even more than the Japanese - letter="retter".

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    8. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I remember taking a class in "C and Unix" in college circa 1991 with a professor who was quite brilliant, but had a very, very thick Chinese (Cantonese, I believe... he mentioned living in Hong Kong quite a few times) accent and had a VERY hard time with the "L" sound.

      I went through two entire classes taking notes on the use of "Unix share variables" before realizing that he meant "Unix SHELL variables"

      He definitely didn't have a problem with "R" sounds, though. I distinctly remember him mentioning what was then still a strange, (relatively) new language called "C pruss pruss". Nowhere close to being a hard "American" 'r' sound, but unambiguously rhotic nonetheless.

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      (*)he didn't like chalkboards or overhead projectors, so we never got to see it in actual writing. Because "Unix" was a relatively minor part of the class and C was all I really cared about at the time, I didn't feel like burning $49 on the 'Unix' textbook just for the last 2 weeks of class. Hey, it was 1990, Amigas rocked, and Unix was something you suffered with on boring green VT100 terminals if you were too poor to afford a real computer with civilized IDE. Yeah, even in the stone age of ~1990, we had graphical, windowed IDEs with syntax highlighting and primitive context-sensitive interactive function lookups & argument references. At least, if you owned an Amiga, Mac, or Atari ST. I think PC users were still stuck in their 16-color 80-column textmode ghetto, even if they COULD use a mouse to move the blinking cursor block around the screen ;-)

    9. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by flajann · · Score: 1

      Hell, who cares??

      Where do I sign up for one of these jobs?

      I mean..almost a type of welfare job for white guys!! I could be a token whitey for the right price!!

      :)

      You slut.

    10. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by flajann · · Score: 1
      Did you ever get to play with an Amiga runing SVR5 flavor of Unix? The Amiga was actually the first Unix box you could get back in those days for anything less than $5000. It was a great pity Commodore dropped that project. Actually, there were a lot of kick-ass cool stuff us Amiga engineers were planning and developing for that wonderful machine, but Commodore upper management shit-canned a lot of it.

      Then, when the "PeeCee" started getting some of those abilities, it was a day late and a dollar short for Commodore. Finally, Commodore upper management caught half a clue, but it was way too late in the game, and had shut down too many plants to get enough of the hot new Amigas off into the hands of eager customers. The rest, you know. May Commodore rest in peace.

      Long Live the Amiga!

    11. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I saw an Amiga 2500UX once. It was a demo unit owned by Creative Equipment in Miami, but from what I remember, there really wasn't much you could actually *do* with it at the time unless you were a college professor or grad student with a Unix-related obsession. There wasn't really any commercial software for it, and I doubt whether it even shipped with the necessary libraries to build anything more ambitious than maybe "Adventure", "Spacewar", and "Life" -- all of which were undoubtedly cool in the 70s, but didn't seem very interesting compared to "Bard's Tale", "Federation of Free Traders", and "Lemmings" ;-)

    12. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by BlackBloq · · Score: 1

      Mandarin speakers accent while speaking English sounds like a mix of James Dean, Marlin Brando and John Wayne.

    13. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by flajann · · Score: 1

      I saw an Amiga 2500UX once. It was a demo unit owned by Creative Equipment in Miami, but from what I remember, there really wasn't much you could actually *do* with it at the time unless you were a college professor or grad student with a Unix-related obsession. There wasn't really any commercial software for it, and I doubt whether it even shipped with the necessary libraries to build anything more ambitious than maybe "Adventure", "Spacewar", and "Life" -- all of which were undoubtedly cool in the 70s, but didn't seem very interesting compared to "Bard's Tale", "Federation of Free Traders", and "Lemmings" ;-)

      Agreed.

      Like I said, Commodore killed the development of Amiga Unix, which I think was a bonehead move on their part. Amiga Unix would been a favourite for those schools teaching CS, and the student wouldve brought Amiga Unix into the workplace once they moved on.

      This is not the first time Commodore gave up a golden opportunity to get into the schools. It made the exact same bonehead mistake with the Commodore PET and Commodore 64. It handed over that market to Apple, where the grads did exactly as you'd expect -- took the Macs with them into the workplace, and the rest is history for Apple.

      If you make the same major bonehead mistake twice, you deserve to die. And die Commodore did. Wonderful technology; lousy marketing.

    14. Re:The real reason theyre renting us by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      and the Amiga even had real multitasking unlike the Mac

  2. What a career aspiration these guys must have by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    "I want to be a rent boy for the Chinese!"

    1. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just being realistic about future prospects?

    2. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      All modeling is exactly this - pay people who look a certain way to be associated with your brand. It's not logical, it's highly effective, and it's so ubiquitous in every culture I know about that it's hard to even notice.

      Unsurprisingly, being white isn't quite the only requirement: ""There are job opportunities for girls who are pretty and for men who can look good in a suit."

    3. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by slick7 · · Score: 1

      "I want to be a rent boy for the Chinese!"

      Take some Vaseline so you'll be ready when the company takes a dive. Then you can be a rent boy full time at 10 Yuan per day.

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    4. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Mikkeles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is this any different to 'renting oneself out' as an actor to MGM or Ridley Scott?

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    5. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by ihatewinXP · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Normally I wouldnt comment on this but as I did this TODAY ill chime in..

      I live and work in Beijing and these sort of opportunities come up through the grapevine fairly often - and as weird of a position that it is it somehow makes sense out here. You really have to realize how important 'face' is in China - especially when doing business.

      The article is kind of dumb (and of course had been passed around the foreigner community last week to great laughs) but it isnt wrong per se. Having a 'laowai' ('old foreigner') around is good for your social standing. Today I had a client ask to take me out to dinner - which is abnormal - this guy never asks me out to dinner. When I pressed him on the reason he just said 'To introduce you to some friends.' When I arrived tonight I figured it out instantly: I was there to be the token white guy and to give this guy face. To his clients he just became that much more worldly and respectable because he keeps foreigner friends - this man obviously has some connections.

      It seems odd and racist (which it is - dont get me wrong) but in a country that probably doesnt even have a word for 'multiculturalism' it works. So tonight I was 'token white friend', I made a couple of good contacts myself, I gave my boss face, and was treated to an amazing dinner where I was marvelled at for my ability to use chopsticks, speak Chinese, and drink 'Chinese white wine.'

      Why the hell not? Someone has to make this country open to the outside world and different cultures - daily im doing my part. And for all the times I get harassed for being white I might as well get paid and treated for it on occasion as well.

      Sorry is this is just an incoherent rant - but the aforementioned white wine is well on top of me at this point.

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    6. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you know, you're probably right. By being that token minority and then breaking stereotypes, you're crossing boundaries and exposing people to a new understanding of foreign culture. For once, something self-serving is actually helping the world become a better place.

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    7. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Chinese white wine still taste terrible? I remember a few years ago it was awful, but thai red wine (monsoon valley) was passable so it wasn't a problem with the climate. And of course japanese whiskey is now award-winning (i don't know about the wine). I think I would stick to plum wine in china unless the white has improved a lot in the last decade.

    8. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gave my boss face

      must be some good wine

    9. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It might not have been wine. I work in a lab with a number of Chinese co-workers and there's a tendency to call any non-beer alcoholic beverage "wine." That includes the god-awful marshmallow-infused turpentine flavor of their liquor Maotai, 106 proof firewater that's rougher than moonshine. It's also very expensive so you can't turn it down without being rude.

    10. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not require any acting skills

    11. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of my semester in China, the university took us to all kinds of city functions. Even though we weren't athletes per say, they had us play the local city team in football (soccer). We got creamed, but it was fun. This post puts a lot of the functions we went to in an entirely new perspective.

    12. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by tonywong · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's still racism couched in the nicest possible way. Chinese people are very prejudiced against dark skinned people, particularly "Blacks" and "Indians". If they rented out people of all colours it would be a different story but obviously white people are superior to everyone else except the Chinese...

    13. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought China did have a word for Multiculturalism: 'Future Conquests' :) But maybe that's just my take from watching lots of 'Unification Era' Chinese Dramas :)

    14. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Slashdot isn't blocked in China? I'm genuinely surprised. Or do you have a proxy somewhere else?

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    15. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      That deserves a mod up.

    16. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Kinda like the uber-liberal who has the 'one' black friend that he invites to the pub to show he is 'not' racist.

    17. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of self-serving things that happen to help sometimes stick.

    18. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      I fully expect to get modded into oblivion, but I can't help myself:

      I gave my boss face

      I don't know exactly what that means, but I hope you got a raise after.

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    19. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      But that's back to 'face' again. It's not just the über-liberal's face but face in general. First impressions have a huge impact on attitudes for a long time to come, as do tokens such as taking off your sun glasses to speak to someone, taking off your glove to shake hands, not looking at at your watch or yawning when at a social gathering, taking the last treat from the tray and telling the cook it's because they're just that good... This stuff isn't 'little'.
      When one white guy brings a black guy to a pub with the rest of his friends, for a moment no matter what no one in that group is racist. If there is an undecided in the group, he switches his opinion in line with that of his friends because the issue has been clearly brought on the table and no one wants to ruin the mood with touchy politics. Even if the black guy is the last Black Panther he's wise to go along with this because he's being an ambassador of tolerance with just the way he happens to look.

      It's an auspicious thing that foreigners are treated as valuable business assets in China rather than white devils there to take their riches. That money exchanges hands to this effect makes it official. It's akin to prostitution, but I hear that for a lot of people a night with a prostitute will do what years of therapy won't accomplish. Businessmen in the west will hire an escort to do marketing their own talents aren't suited for. It's not deception, it's distraction so that irrelevant things don't interfere with business.

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    20. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      Didn't mean to come off so jaded. I actually do believe in the finer things.

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    21. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't ask what happens when you cease to be cute, young, or useful. I hear the farms are lovely this time of year.. prison labor camps too... or maybe they will just carve you up for your organs. =]

    22. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by flajann · · Score: 1
      You get harassed for "being white", I get harassed for "being black", ... Kinda makes me sick we live in the 21st century and still have to deal with this crapola.

      Hell, in my divorce, I got harassed for being a man, and for being concerned for my kids. While married, I got harassed for having an autistic child. And I'll stop it right there. Sometimes I feel as though people harass me just for existing.

      Will we ever grow up as a species? Or will we always be not much better than our simian cousins? No better than the howler monkeys, who love to sling poo at passers-by?

      And when the next mass-extinction event comes along and wipes out the Human Race, will the Universe even bother shedding a tear, I wonder?

      Silly Humans. The Entire Lot of us.

    23. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by flajann · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's still racism couched in the nicest possible way. Chinese people are very prejudiced against dark skinned people, particularly "Blacks" and "Indians". If they rented out people of all colours it would be a different story but obviously white people are superior to everyone else except the Chinese...

      The Brits might have a bit of a disagreement with that!!!!

    24. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baijiu (white wine) still tastes like drinking a bottle of perfume. And tastes like it when you are throwing it back up....

    25. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A bit odd for a career.

      But if you're a student/intern or similar Herbert, it seems like a reasonably easy way to make a bit of beer money.

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    26. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, even 4chan isnt blocked in China. It is oddly hit or miss as to what incurs the rath of the great firewall.

      IMDB, twitter, foursquare, youtube, facebook: blocked.

      4chan: open for business!

      Who knows. From what I understand there is not one Great Firewall but it is divided up by providences each with their own lists. That said I still have a VPN and just forget about it.

    27. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my gosh. Crossing boundaries and exposing people to a new understanding of foreign culture? Make the world a better place? You've been watching too many movies. I've been living in China 11 years, and the Chinese aren't interested in really understanding anything about you or your culture. What little they do pick up they despise. They expect you, the foreigner, to adapt to them, learn their culture, admit that their ways are the best since they are the most advanced breed of humans on earth. They have no interest in learning your culture.

    28. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You get harassed for "being white", I get harassed for "being black", ...

      If it makes you feel better ... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime.
      Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority.
      Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.

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    29. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by flajann · · Score: 1

      You get harassed for "being white", I get harassed for "being black", ...

      If it makes you feel better ... I can see potential for using this sort of dehumanising sort of job as a punishment for some sorts of racist crime. Imagine, if it pleases you, some local Klan lord or Aryan Brother scumball (or from my side of the pond, we could send you a few members of the British Nazi Party, now that the election is nearly over) having to do his community service by being rented out to some Chinese body shop to serve as a prop representing the body form of a feared and hated minority. Well, I can see ways of using this to make life particularly miserable for people whose lives deserve to be made miserable.

      Oh, there's much better ways of dealing with such types. Throw them in a prison full of the very ones the despise. The rest will take care of itself... right up there where the sun never shines.

    30. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Kinda like the fake-liberal who has the 'one' black friend that he invites to the pub to show he is 'not' racist.

      FTFY. Somebody you'd call an 'uber' liberal wouldn't even give a shit in the first place.

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    31. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by philalethiac · · Score: 1

      Ganbei! Personally I think the bigger racism here is the extra status whites in China get even over Chinese Han people - yes, unfortunately, one can be racist against one's own group. There was the apartment complex that opened a little while ago "foreign-looking applicants only please". In my stay in Nanjing I was never treated negatively on account of being white, occasionally on account of not fluently speaking the local language, but usually any differential treatment I got on the basis of my whiteness was neutral or positive (like the dinner invite you got here). Getting hired as a token whiteface might be a bit of a hollow privilege but it's still a privilege over not being offered a job at all.

    32. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Jiangsu and I have to say I find it horrific. Once my boss decided to pimp me out like a suit-wearing whore. It would have been an additional forty hours a week, for the equivalent of about $100 a week, no contract, and a camera in my face all day so they could fill their website with pictures of me. The people were so rude to me: almost immediately after I arrive one screamed, "You're mother's a cheap whore. Hahaha the foreigner doesn't understand Chinese." and I told him that yes, I did. And then the guys lost face and got defensive and it was hell. It was three days of hell before i told my boss I absolutely refuse and that I would hold her to my contract, and do no more overtime, and now she has been hateful to me for three or four months now.

      Absolutely horrible.

    33. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see nothing wrong with that.

    34. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In hindsight, you do have to admit it would have been much less stressful if you'd just admitted your mother is a cheap whore.

    35. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by blair1q · · Score: 1

      There are six times as many of them as there are of us, and they've never had much of an open society (beyond a few port cities), much less a ground-up melting-pot culture like America or Europe. It's not a bit surprising that many of them have gone so long being insular, and are displaying the characteristics of a population coming to grips with integration.

      And this: "To his clients he just became that much more worldly and respectable because he keeps foreigner friends - this man obviously has some connections", is absolutely true.

      But don't expect racism to go away, or to be so benign as this. America is a prime example from top to bottom that people will use racial divisions to their own ends no matter how many times we go through the process of beating the bigots and throwing them in the river.

    36. Re:What a career aspiration these guys must have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you learn Chinese before or after going there?

  3. And they're called? by Xenophore · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the Chinese hire them to hang out around the water cooler, does that make them coolies?

    1. Re:And they're called? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      If the Chinese hire them to hang out around the water cooler, does that make them coolies?

      Or better yet, you could be the focus of animosity because as a "whitey" you make more and work less at a company that obviously can afford to pay more to its indentured workers but doesn't.

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    2. Re:And they're called? by ctchristmas · · Score: 1

      Nah, it has to sound much more fancy. Something like "Corporate Image Ambassador".

  4. Whiteness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The gift that keeps giving.

    1. Re:Whiteness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackness, the curse that keeps on hurting our glorious society.

    2. Re:Whiteness... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      What if they pay double for Africans?

  5. News? by WilyCoder · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is news?

    I rent people all the time in Amsterdam's red light district!

    1. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should go to Adelita's in Tijuana. The ladies are much hotter and cheaper to boot!

    2. Re:News? by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe he doesn't want to rent a PC-based sex robot?

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    3. Re:News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touché!

    4. Re:News? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      This is news?

      I rent people all the time in Amsterdam's red light district!

      Well, you must have the money then and the theory is strengthened by your efforts. Carry on Amsterdam!

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    5. Re:News? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, but you see, renting people in China is done to give you "face"...whereas in Amsterdam they give you "head".

      Same concept, but something must have gotten lost in translation ;-)

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  6. Idunno about that. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "'Face, we say in China, is more important than life itself.'"

    I've always been more of a "ESSE QVAM VIDERE" fan myself. ("To be, rather than to seem.") State motto of North Carolina. Guess Ah'm just a sample countreh boy aht heart aftah all.

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    1. Re:Idunno about that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the motto of Truro School in Cornwall, England

  7. everybody knows by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you throw a party, you have to put out crackers

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    1. Re:everybody knows by jimmydigital · · Score: 1

      if you throw a party, you have to put out crackers

      In communist China, it's the crackers that put out for the party.

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  8. Finally gender equality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So you know nothing, you do nothing, but people just pay you to hang around.

    Sounds like a booth babe to me.

    Now it's open to men!

  9. Similar in Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Something a little similar occurs in Korea. The biggest employers of foreigners in Korea are the US military and language schooling, whether at public or private institutions. Now, the fun thing is, schools much, much prefer white teachers, because there's a perception here that white face means English speaker. Someone with an Asian face, on the other hand... maybe the school is trying to pull something.

    I got turned down for a few job applications for no real reason, and I'm pretty sure it had something to do with my skin tone.

    1. Re:Similar in Korea by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Because there's a perception here that white face means English speaker.

      It goes far beyond that. In Asia in general dark skin means you are a menial worker who spends all of their days outside in the sun. Light skin means that you are rich and can afford to spend all of your days indoors. The idea of genetics is not even considered in many places.

      A lot of Asian cosmetics are or contain skin whitening chemicals. It's like fake tan in the west, but the other way around.

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  10. No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just got back from Japan.

    They do the same with Blacks over there, mostly with hip nightclubs and the sort.

  11. sounds familiar by snoop.daub · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a couple of friends go live in China for a couple of years. She was teaching english, he did that but also picked up some other "jobs", one of which involved, as far as he could tell, being shipped around to various places in China, dressed up in a suit, and having drinks poured down his throat until he couldn't walk anymore. Near as he could figure, he was supposed to be playing the role of the representative of a foreign company which was working with the Chinese outfit which had hired him, since that would make them look good to possible business partners. Sounds like a pretty surreal situation.

    1. Re:sounds familiar by snoop.daub · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, just remembered another weird aspect of this story. He would be asked to give a "presentation", which consisted of slides that were prepared by his employers. He'd speak in English and have it "translated" as he went. Of course he had no clue what the presentation was supposed to be about, so he'd basically just babble nonsense for the duration.

    2. Re:sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like deception - or fraud, if you will - to misrepresent the level or number of your business partners.

  12. mad men by Dionysus · · Score: 1

    Did the Chinese get the idea from Mad Men?

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    Je ne parle pas francais.
  13. hiccup in the plan by ILuvRamen · · Score: 0

    The problem is, if they're hiring Americans then they probably won't be able to "walk around" all day, seeing as how the typical American isn't quite that athletic. I wonder how they would feel about their image if they were hovering around in a hoveround lol.

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    1. Re:hiccup in the plan by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget - big fat americans must also be rich to afford so much food! That means they are not only hiring foreigners, but wealthy foreigners too!

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  14. Been there, done that... by GreenTom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I lived in China for a few years, and had two of these gigs. Once, I had to pretend I was someone from the midwest interested in investing in a chemical factory somewhere. It got very surreal, because once the conference started, even the people who hired me seemed to forget that I was just playing a role...the extent of the communal illusion was mindboggling. In another one, I had to pretend I was the coworker of some guy who knocked up a Chinese woman, representing him at they're own wedding that he couldn't attend for "business reasons".

    1. Re:Been there, done that... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Wha.. you represented someone at their own wedding? How does that work?

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    2. Re:Been there, done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot better than it does on the honeymoon, I'd suspect.

    3. Re:Been there, done that... by GreenTom · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know, weird, right? It was a huge face thing...this poor Chinese girl believed the foreigner when he said he'd marry her, got pregnant, and her family plans this big wedding. The foreigner jets back to where ever he came from, leaving the woman pregnant and the family with a wedding. As I understand it, it would be absolutely unthinkable to cancel the wedding, and almost as bad for the woman to go through with having the child without getting married.

      So, the went forward with the wedding, just without the groom. I was hired to pretend that I was the "manager" of the absent groom. I was there telling people how great the groom was, and that he was working on important overseas assignments for our company, and simply couldn't be there. Everyone there probably knew what was really going on, but this solution seemed to save face all around. And I got the best meal I had in two years in China out of the deal...

      Does make me wonder if there are similarly farcical things that we do here, but that are somehow invisible to us because we all just accept it as normal.

    4. Re:Been there, done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Does make me wonder if there are similarly farcical things that we do here, but that are somehow invisible to us because we all just accept it as normal."

      No we just throw it all into the National Enquirer etc and pretend it never really happens.

    5. Re:Been there, done that... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      I'd say in the west it's what's called 'keeping appearances', it's just not as exaggerated.

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    6. Re:Been there, done that... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Does make me wonder if there are similarly farcical things that we do here, but that are somehow invisible to us because we all just accept it as normal.

      Uhhh, hi boss. Ummm I'm not feeling too well today so I don't think I'm going to be in.

      /rolls over and goes back to sleep.

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    7. Re:Been there, done that... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Everyone there probably knew what was really going on, but this solution seemed to save face all around. And I got the best meal I had in two years in China out of the deal...

      We're not interested in the *meal*.

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    8. Re:Been there, done that... by GreenTom · · Score: 1

      Nope, the gig ended when the dinner was over. I had no overnight responsibilities. Probably a good thing, otherwise I might still be in China raising somebody else's kid.

    9. Re:Been there, done that... by Xest · · Score: 1

      A good example I can think of is fireworks night here in the UK.

      For those that don't know, it's a celebration of the failure of the gun powder plot which was an attempt to blow up parliament by a guy called Guy Fawkes.

      We basically build a massive bonfire, not unusual for it to be around 20 ft high, and we place an effigy of Guy Fawkes on top, then we burn it all and during which usually set off shit loads of fireworks.

      It's a normal celebration here and most people partake in it, but I caught myself wondering last year how this must look to people from a different culture. I mean, if they see us all burning effigys on top of massive fires, whilst exploding shit loads of fireworks in the sky we must all look quite fucking insane.

      I do not suspect many people would think that burning an effigy on a massive fire is the sort of thing you expect to see in any modern Western culture, yet we do it, each year, en-masse, and without fail.

  15. Nothing new. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is nothing new.

    About 10 years ago I interviewed with a few companies in Taiwan. There were several who pretty much wanted to hire me as the token foreigner. One or two of them thought I might bring new ideas to the table, but I'm sure their corporate culture would pretty much squash any new ideas. One company in particular was more direct about what they wanted. They wanted to convey a more international image to make themselves more appealing to investors.

    A lot of companies in Asia have this obsession with passing themselves off as an international corporation. Every two-bit company has the word "international" in their name. Their English name, because the vast majority of companies in Taiwan and China have an English and Chinese name. I guess it's aspirational in some ways. It's not simply that they want to impress, it's the belief that doing these things will lead to the perception turning into reality and I think some of it is linked to how Japanese companies became successful. It's like they think success will just happen without looking at the fundamentals.

    In hindsight maybe I should have taken that job. I probably would have done little to no work and there were a bunch of cute girls working there.

    1. Re:Nothing new. by backbyter · · Score: 1

      and there were a bunch of cute girls working there.

      ...and the money would have come around full circle. :)

    2. Re:Nothing new. by dintech · · Score: 1

      it's the belief that doing these things will lead to the perception turning into reality

      Isn't this what they try to do with their political history?

  16. I've done this (or had this done to me?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I might be the only person here who's actually done this, so I can attest to the fact that a) it does happen b) quite frequently and c) it was a lot of fun. I live in Shanghai as a teacher but was rented for a weekend-long product presentation as up-and-coming American architect (with vast Italian-architecture experience). They pre-wrote the speech and created the ppt in first person so it seemed real, and the draw for this was incredible. Face is extremely important to the Chinese -- "perception is reality" is a ground-rule for living here. But with flexible-enough morals, free meals, a private driver, pre-arranged tours, my own 5-star hotel suite and pay is a pretty great deal for what was only about 2 hours work!

    1. Re:I've done this (or had this done to me?) by Jester6641 · · Score: 1

      Nope, you're not the only one. "Taught" in Beijing for a while. My job was to be the "foreign teacher." I was hired not knowing a word of Chinese and thrown in a classroom of junior highers who spoke no English. I wasn't there to do anything useful, I was there to be a white guy they could point at and say "we have a foreign teacher for your student! You should come to this school!" Only lasted a year, though. Even though I was getting paid double what the other teachers were starting at, it couldn't cover my American student loans for ever. Too bad, it was good times and not much work.

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    2. Re:I've done this (or had this done to me?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why in the world would you think you are the only one? Do you have any idea how many members Slashdot has?

      This 'I'm alone in this' mentality seems very popular on slashdot. If I had a nickel for every time I saw a post that began with "Am I the only one who...." I could buy a new PC! (Well....maybe a cheap one....)

  17. Never, ever, invest by magarity · · Score: 1

    Stuff like this is part of why one should never, ever, invest in Chinese stocks even if they are ADRs on the US exchanges.

  18. why not exactly? by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 1

    could you elaborate on how this story reinforces that point?

    1. Re:why not exactly? by blackfrancis75 · · Score: 1

      btw - this was meant to be a reply to the admonition not to invest in Chinese companies

    2. Re:why not exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, you fail at slashdot posting 101. HAND.

  19. Slavery by jamesyouwish · · Score: 0

    So renting people because of the color of their skin is legal again.

    1. Re:Slavery by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Rent yes, own no.

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  20. Are You David Vitter? by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    Sounds as if Diaper Dave is at it again.

  21. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After reading the article I see that "Any price" ranges from $44 to $300. Great summary, slashdot!

  22. A Western Poser by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    So, what do you do for a living?

    I stand around.

    What's the title of your occupation?

    I'm a Professional Poser.

    Does it pay well?

    For not doing shit? Hell ya.

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  23. It the obvious extension to outsourcing jobs by turkeyfish · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It the obvious extension to outsourcing jobs. First American jobs go offshore, then Americans.

    Vote for Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman so they can send your job to China! Help restore republican economic policies.

    Should anyone blame the Chinese for discovering the republican secret for job "creation"? They want to enjoy the benefits of crony-capitalism too. We wanted them to drop communism and become capitalists. It seems we now have evidence that they have.

    1. Re:It the obvious extension to outsourcing jobs by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Vote for Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman so they can send your job to China! Help restore republican economic policies.
      Yeah, b/c Barbara "dont call me ma'am" Boxer and Gov. then Att. Gen now wants to be Gov again "Moonbeam"(It's like California Uber Allies was a prophecy) have been doing such a bang up job running the economy.

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    2. Re:It the obvious extension to outsourcing jobs by gtall · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you say you slept through the Clinton administration? That's a long sleep, how did you do that?

  24. So I'd like to know where by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    So I'd like to know where people get the notion that doing well is al about money? Monetary-wise I'm doing "not too shabby." Still I find being with my family the best time money can buy. Remember that when you kick the bucket the only thing you can be proud of is the way you were with the ones you loved. I'm an atheist but I maintain that if anything could be brought to the other side, that "thing" could only be related to the good vibes spread on earth. And although the "good vibes" thing isn't sure at all, you will absolutely leave your riches here.

    Don't think "us" western people are particularly better at doing the stuff that really matters. Everywhere around the world there will be people enjoying the good company of others.

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    1. Re:So I'd like to know where by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't think "us" western people are particularly better at doing the stuff that really matters. Everywhere around the world there will be people enjoying the good company of others.

      Why is it that whenever there's a story about China, someone feels the need to jump in and say "b-b-but the west..." This "west" you speak of is a vast and extremely varied tapestry of different cultures spread across the entire globe, numbering a good many more people than are in China, so you can't go making sweeping statements about what they are good at or otherwise, especially if its a subtext for "rich white people laughing at poor foreigners".

      For all the cultures in "the west", I don't know of a single one that hires people to stand around and look prosperous as a general trend, so this is an interesting cultural artifact, probably unique to China at least, and is worthy of attention as such.

    2. Re:So I'd like to know where by jackpot777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Western businessmen don't employ certain races to make themselves look multicultural. That's what stock photos in the Annual Report are for. And they don't use people from any particular continent to give the illusion of success, but that doesn't mean they don't do it. A Mercedes Benz with driver here, conspicuous use of the Amex Centurion Card there, and soon enough your Mister Big Shot to your prospective clients.

      Everything counts in large amounts. It seems that some businessmen are easily impressed by a backpacker in a new suit and a fresh haircut.

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    3. Re:So I'd like to know where by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      Western businessmen don't employ certain races to make themselves look multicultural.

      Maybe not, but prejudice was/is all around. I once witnessed an Indian being offered a very senior software position on the ground that "well, Indians are good at software". Made them look the look though.

      Of course the Indian bloke in question actually was pretty much crap otherwise the idiotic situation wouldn't have gone noticed. He left the company without accomplishing anything other than cashing the pay check.

      DISCLAIMER: I don't think Indians -or any other ethnic group of people- are generally better or worse at writing software. Prejudice based on either negative or positive generalisations is a very pure form of lunacy. The positive generalisations are the most tedious to get rid of as nobody is affected directly (but many indirectly.)

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  25. Sounds less "icky" than by turkeyfish · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    being a rent boy to anti-gay crusading republicans.

  26. With about 3.5 billion Chinese by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    republicans are beginning to see what its like to be in the minority. I suspect it will be mostly the Chinese, who will laughing at such water-cooler jokes.

  27. "What the mind can conceive, the body can acheive. by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    "What the mind can conceive, the body can acheive."

    I guess that explains why Rush Limbaugh is in such great shape.

  28. Now I understand by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

    why Hally Barbour spent so much time in China raising money for republican causes.

  29. 99% of white people on the Chinese media by blai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    are actors. I thought white boys knew this.

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  30. Americans by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2, Funny

    The other white meat.

    1. Re:Americans by atcroft · · Score: 1

      The other white meat.

      Mr. Ukab, there are two gentlemen here to see you. They say their names are Faegre and Benson, on behalf of the National Pork Board. And just so you know, they have a large, thick envelope with your name on it. It looked for a moment, however, like the address for the ThinkGeek offices had been scratched out and yours hurriedly added.

  31. Get in while there's still a market by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once they start producing their own generic clones, the price will go through the floor.

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  32. Re:"What the mind can conceive, the body can achei by slick7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "What the mind can conceive, the body can acheive."

    I guess that explains why Rush Limbaugh is in such great shape.

    How does that correlate to Stephan Hawking?

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  33. Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...That only fucking works for white people.

    1. Re:Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know fashions change. Maybe next season niggers will be the new crackers, or whatever.

  34. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was never the Chinese people that were the problem, it was the Chinese Communist Government. /it's still communist //just like Russia ///only wearing a different image

  35. HEY!!! by Theodore · · Score: 3, Funny

    WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT!?!?!

  36. Nobody sees this as lying ? by liahim · · Score: 1

    Really ?

  37. Similarly, Indian consulting companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    often named 'five star technologies' or some such, and staffed with Indians from India, not just the technology consultants but also all of HR (imported from India) and legal and what not, just have a token white receptionist (for American accent while answering phones) and a web page full of photos of white americans. Somehow all this is supposed to make one think that they are a multi-national technology consulting business, when in reality there are just a body shop peddling Indian consultants.

  38. Form Over Substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Form Over Substance will always lead to:
    1. Milk that "looked" good but actually contaminated with melamine.
    2. Toys that "looked" nice but can cause lead poisoning.
    3. Dr. Martens shoes (used to be known to last over 5 years) that "looked" durable but (when manufacturing was shipped to China) now won't last a year.
    4. Companies that "looked" cool and stable but actually a sweatshop.
    5.
    6. Profit!

  39. Not surprised by gauauu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I spent 2 years in China working for a software outsourcing company. Although there were a handful of other Americans at the company, I was the only one that wasn't of Asian descent. It was funny, really -- any time important people toured the company, they'd always stop by my desk to introduce me, even though I wasn't any sort of important role. Just being the "token white guy" got me a decent amount of attention. It was quite odd.

    In general, though, being "white" in China still has privileges. I was in one of the most modern cities in China (Shenzhen, near where all your iPods are made) Just a friendly smile would set young women in hysterical giggles. Random people at the bus stop would ask me if I would be their friend. The banks would let me skip the line and go to the VIP counter. My Asian-American friends, on the other hand, didn't get nearly the special treatment. While people would compliment my horrible butchering of the Chinese language, people would ask them why they couldn't speak better. Sadly, I guess that means that racism is still thriving in some parts of the world....

    1. Re:Not surprised by flajann · · Score: 1

      I spent 2 years in China working for a software outsourcing company. Although there were a handful of other Americans at the company, I was the only one that wasn't of Asian descent. It was funny, really -- any time important people toured the company, they'd always stop by my desk to introduce me, even though I wasn't any sort of important role. Just being the "token white guy" got me a decent amount of attention. It was quite odd.

      In general, though, being "white" in China still has privileges. I was in one of the most modern cities in China (Shenzhen, near where all your iPods are made) Just a friendly smile would set young women in hysterical giggles. Random people at the bus stop would ask me if I would be their friend. The banks would let me skip the line and go to the VIP counter. My Asian-American friends, on the other hand, didn't get nearly the special treatment. While people would compliment my horrible butchering of the Chinese language, people would ask them why they couldn't speak better. Sadly, I guess that means that racism is still thriving in some parts of the world....

      Reminds me of a sketch Eddie Murphy did once about painting himself as a "white guy" and everyone started treating him with all these privileges. I hear something similar happens in India, too. But there is has more to do with being "American" than being "white".

    2. Re:Not surprised by KingKaneOfNod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I spent 2 years in China working for a software outsourcing company. Although there were a handful of other Americans at the company, I was the only one that wasn't of Asian descent. It was funny, really -- any time important people toured the company, they'd always stop by my desk to introduce me, even though I wasn't any sort of important role. Just being the "token white guy" got me a decent amount of attention.

      This actually reminds me of a certain communications & media company I used to work for; they had just bought a company in China and had brought all of the executives over to give them a tour of company headquarters. As soon as they got in the door they spotted the white (and overweight) security guard and went into a frenzy of pointing and excitement. Soon after they all had photos taken with the guy who looked quite confused! I didn't have a clue what was going on but a colleague of mine (of Chinese decent) explained that it was probably the first time they had seen a white guy.

    3. Re:Not surprised by PipsqueakOnAP133 · · Score: 1

      This is why I enjoy visiting Japan more than Taiwan.

      While in Taiwan: "Why can't you speak Mandarin properly? Why can't you understand Taiwanese at all?"

      While in Japan: "Oh, how cute! It's a Chinese guy trying to speak our language! Pretty good!"

    4. Re:Not surprised by samjam · · Score: 1

      I was waiting in the airport check-in queue with a group of friends at a UK airport.

      One friend (from India) made the mistake of standing a little apart from us and was subject to stern questioning from one of the airport staff and close scrutiny of his (Indian) passport.

      As this happened, we (his white friends) walked closer to him to see what was going on.

      The airport staff saw us and then apologised (to us, I recall) saying: I didn't realise he was with you.

      Later on in the same airport, one of the staff (of Indian origin) somehow got him through the security boarding checks with a lot less delay than we had!

      So it all evened out in time.

    5. Re:Not surprised by flajann · · Score: 1
      Yeow.

      Profiling stinks, big time. And besides that, I've never heard of an Indian terrorist in the western world. So not only do their profiling stinks, it's not even accurate.

      Or...

      It's just an excuse for xenophobia. My word, he had to be validated by "whites" to be seen as "OK". Really makes me sick to my stomach that this kind of crap still goes on in our world.

    6. Re:Not surprised by samjam · · Score: 1

      In this case it may be as a result of some peoples inability to handle general legitimate mistrust specific ways.

      It doesn't bother me too much. As imperfections go it's not very bad.

  40. How much do they pay? by I+Love+Soup · · Score: 1

    And where do I sign up?

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  41. twisted and ironic by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    It is not just a Chinese phenomenon mind you. You see similar things (albeit with their own unique twists due to their historical peculiarities) in the Dominican Republic (everyone wants to marry a lighter-skinned person to "improve the blood") or Mexico (ever seen a Mexican soap opera? Everyone but the maids look like I dunno, Iceland.) But for a nation like China where culture dwells so much on its national pride (to the point of being chauvinistic and xenophobic towards foreigners and their own minorities), I find this self-directed racism (which it is no matter how you cut it) quite entertaining, in a "poetic justice" kind of way.

  42. Re:"What the mind can conceive, the body can achei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be silly

    Black holes, of course.

  43. Re:YOU FAIL IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    man this shit is so lame. It's not even funny, and no one clicks on it. If you're gonna troll, it should at least be something humorous...

  44. Chinese copyrights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's just another thing that the Chinese are faking. Welcome to the country where everything is copied or fake.

  45. Turnabout is fair play? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    How many /.ers have rented a Chinese woman?

    /raises hand

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  46. It happens everywhere by Rsriram · · Score: 1

    How is hiring pretty looking hostesses any different than this. I hear that some companies in the US prefer people with blonde hair and white skin to be their representatives, especially public representatives. If that isnt face what is? Sometimes event organizers "rent" pretty looking models as ushers for their events. So everyone around the world uses 'pretty faces' (depends on what you mean by pretty) to show a different "face" to the world.

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  47. Been there, done that... by pdwalker · · Score: 1

    I've done this 20 years ago. I'd be jetted around China meeting various people and introduced as a "business partner". Of course, I didn't actually do anything except smile and talk on casual subjects. Still, it was interesting and fun at the time. The benefits were good too.

    I asked at one point "why", and I was told "Chinese don't trust Chinese. Chinese will trust Chinese who have Western business partners, so if you are my business partner, they'll trust me and I'll get the business".

    Hard to argue with that.

  48. Token black guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hint: The phrase token black guy didn't come from china.

  49. Lawdy Lawd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sho does luv bein white!