That's great, so who's going to arrest those in charge of the domestic spying that *is* happening according to the Snowden files (and corroboration elsewhere).
Carrying Netflix traffic isn't done for free, ever. That's just FUD spouted by ISPs trying to get free money. They tried doing it to Google first. Its either traffic for your clients, so you're already getting paid for delivering it, or its through a peering arrangement that you already find beneficial (or it wouldn't exist).
Sadly those ISPs have this attitude only because of a lack of competition.
A smart small ISP would offer to host Netflix content and put it in their advertising that while they only have x Mbit service, they guarantee an incredible Netflix experience in full HD (or even 4k).
I know many people who basically only use the Internet for Youtube and Netflix. ISPs wanting to offer that level of service could do so at very low costs with a locally-hosted CDN server.
You really don't understand the system at all, do you?
The Internet backbone is not like your analogy at all.
There are two basic types of Internet connection (to oversimplify); there are the connections between ISPs where each provides fairly equal benefit to the other; these are often 'free' except for the hardware investment. The other is the kind where service is sold to someone who has no benefit to exchange; either a user buying primarily downlink service or a web host requiring primarily uplink service, etc.
We end up with a chart that looks a bit like this: Netflix -> ISPa <- M -> ISPb -> User.
ISPa gets money from Netflix, ISPb gets money from user. So far so good? Now ISPa and ISPb are linked to each other because its in their mutual benefit. That is to say, if ISPa didn't have this link, they wouldn't have a service to sell because part of the Internet wouldn't be as accessible to their clients. By the same token, ISPb needs the link as well. If this isn't true; they simply cancel that link and the packets route around elsewhere.
For ISPb to claim that Netflix owes them money is preposterous -- the packets flowing from ISPa to ISPb are part of a peering arrangement which only exists because its beneficial to both sides. If its isn't, the side gaining more benefit is charged money by the other side. In fact, some sites offering those 'free' mirrors for downloading software only do so to keep their peering usage up (as an aside).
I play a lot of DwarfFortress, I like my large 200+ dwarf settlements with lots of customization and building. I really enjoy JRPGs and AAA adventure games on the PS3 too. I try to avoid MMOs... finally got unhooked on Wurm but I did play Vendetta online for a bit.
Nobody measures their weight in stone in the US either, or their front yard in perches (which is obviously easier than square meters because its 1rod squared instead). Good job using a unit name that nobody really cares about in the other system too.
What kills me about 'not understanding metric' is that it uses the same base-10 system our numbers are written in. Anyone who learned to count 0-9 knows how to use metric already; you just move the decimal up and down the line; no real math skills required at all.
Fahrenheit makes no sense at all, Celsius uses the standards of when water boils and freezes for 100 and zero, and Kelvin is Celsius with the zero point moved such that there are no negative values.
I used to really enjoy coming to/. -- even with Beta, even though it stinks. Now the entire comments section has just devolved into complaints. The real threat to/. isn't Evil Corporate Overlords, it's/tivism gone wrong. R.I.P. awesome comment community, you will be missed.:(
Good job to whom? People who acted like immature children instead of just submitting feedback? Seriously, the whole protest thing is just stupid in situations like this.
I forgot, washing our stuff in the laundry doesn't waste resources at all. Water treatment plants run on zero energy and are 100% efficient and we're not wasting anything at all.
You buy meat and produce in June. You buy a box of cereal in August.
Every time your family uses the box of cereal, they may be getting bacteria on their hands because of the meat and produce that were in the bag a *month* ago that has grown on the insides of the bag like an incubator.
I posted about this on my G+ feed a while back; at some point, we went from being told about Global Warming to being warned about Climate Change.
Climate Change can only be denied of course if the climate never ever changes (which it does and will) and so Climate Change advocates are always right and skeptics always wrong.
While the specifics of what Climate Change stands for may be true, the nomenclature is the problem @mwvdlee is noting I believe.
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That's great, so who's going to arrest those in charge of the domestic spying that *is* happening according to the Snowden files (and corroboration elsewhere).
Its not hard actually. MI-5 spies on Americans in America, CIA asks for dirt on American from MI-5.
I believe its called Echelon.
Carrying Netflix traffic isn't done for free, ever. That's just FUD spouted by ISPs trying to get free money. They tried doing it to Google first. Its either traffic for your clients, so you're already getting paid for delivering it, or its through a peering arrangement that you already find beneficial (or it wouldn't exist).
Sadly those ISPs have this attitude only because of a lack of competition.
A smart small ISP would offer to host Netflix content and put it in their advertising that while they only have x Mbit service, they guarantee an incredible Netflix experience in full HD (or even 4k).
I know many people who basically only use the Internet for Youtube and Netflix. ISPs wanting to offer that level of service could do so at very low costs with a locally-hosted CDN server.
Yes; the problem is that many local ISPs also happen to be the local cable provider and have a vested interest in not helping you cut cords.
You really don't understand the system at all, do you?
The Internet backbone is not like your analogy at all.
There are two basic types of Internet connection (to oversimplify); there are the connections between ISPs where each provides fairly equal benefit to the other; these are often 'free' except for the hardware investment. The other is the kind where service is sold to someone who has no benefit to exchange; either a user buying primarily downlink service or a web host requiring primarily uplink service, etc.
We end up with a chart that looks a bit like this: Netflix -> ISPa <- M -> ISPb -> User.
ISPa gets money from Netflix, ISPb gets money from user. So far so good? Now ISPa and ISPb are linked to each other because its in their mutual benefit. That is to say, if ISPa didn't have this link, they wouldn't have a service to sell because part of the Internet wouldn't be as accessible to their clients. By the same token, ISPb needs the link as well. If this isn't true; they simply cancel that link and the packets route around elsewhere.
For ISPb to claim that Netflix owes them money is preposterous -- the packets flowing from ISPa to ISPb are part of a peering arrangement which only exists because its beneficial to both sides. If its isn't, the side gaining more benefit is charged money by the other side. In fact, some sites offering those 'free' mirrors for downloading software only do so to keep their peering usage up (as an aside).
How long exactly have you been working with Tier-1 Internet routing and billing exactly?
Never?
That's what I thought, cause you have no idea what you're talking about.
You obviously don't understand peering arrangements at all. That's not how the Internet works.
Mine too, I thought "Cool, stackoverflow has a site for debugging closed hardware now"
I play a lot of DwarfFortress, I like my large 200+ dwarf settlements with lots of customization and building. ... finally got unhooked on Wurm but I did play Vendetta online for a bit.
I really enjoy JRPGs and AAA adventure games on the PS3 too.
I try to avoid MMOs
- Maluraq on PSN and gaming forums.
How does this differ in anything but name from creationism?
36% is a pretty big difference, especially when streaming video by the hour.
Many of us never were (and are proud not to be) Americans.
Actual competition pushes people harder ... that's why we do it.
Nobody measures their weight in stone in the US either, or their front yard in perches (which is obviously easier than square meters because its 1rod squared instead). Good job using a unit name that nobody really cares about in the other system too.
What kills me about 'not understanding metric' is that it uses the same base-10 system our numbers are written in. Anyone who learned to count 0-9 knows how to use metric already; you just move the decimal up and down the line; no real math skills required at all.
Fahrenheit makes no sense at all, Celsius uses the standards of when water boils and freezes for 100 and zero, and Kelvin is Celsius with the zero point moved such that there are no negative values.
I used to really enjoy coming to /. -- even with Beta, even though it stinks. Now the entire comments section has just devolved into complaints. The real threat to /. isn't Evil Corporate Overlords, it's /tivism gone wrong. R.I.P. awesome comment community, you will be missed. :(
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Good job to whom? People who acted like immature children instead of just submitting feedback? Seriously, the whole protest thing is just stupid in situations like this.
OMG, you mean 17 year olds might want to have sex without becoming convicted rapists for it? I'm still confused why the age of consent is 18 anywhere.
True, many do, but even Skype (maintained by Microsoft) has a dynamically linked binary download.
I forgot, washing our stuff in the laundry doesn't waste resources at all. Water treatment plants run on zero energy and are 100% efficient and we're not wasting anything at all.
You buy meat and produce in June. You buy a box of cereal in August.
Every time your family uses the box of cereal, they may be getting bacteria on their hands because of the meat and produce that were in the bag a *month* ago that has grown on the insides of the bag like an incubator.
Reusable bags are disgusting.
You forgot:
D - its irrelevant because we should learn to adapt and get over ourselves.
I posted about this on my G+ feed a while back; at some point, we went from being told about Global Warming to being warned about Climate Change.
Climate Change can only be denied of course if the climate never ever changes (which it does and will) and so Climate Change advocates are always right and skeptics always wrong.
While the specifics of what Climate Change stands for may be true, the nomenclature is the problem @mwvdlee is noting I believe.