Not really, this is what i thought too when i was a linux user.
The quality of FreeBSD isn't adversly affected at all by the BSD-style license.
Noone ever added onto a GPL program without the belief in free software. Ever.
People contribute to FreeBSD because they believe in free software. The same reason people develop for linux.
The license is meaningless for most people. Plus who wants to try to go commerical, hire lots of programmers, to try to compete with a huuge competitor that gives what you are trying to improve and sell (which they are constantly improving) for free? There isn't much room in there.
Although BSD/OS and BSDi seem to be doing well, it doesn't make FreeBSD any less free. Get over it, its not about a political movement its about free beer. And just because people sell your "Free Beer" that doesn't mean you have to buy it:D Its still free for you!
Ahh, thats refreshing. I too have used both Debian and FreeBSD. If you have read anything i have wrote since a switched, you'd know which one i liked (i'll give you a hint: its not the penguin) more.
And I too liked the GPL and GNU utils. Not anymore.
heh. Hehe. Someone has to say it. Might as well be me. I'd like to add a disclaimer now: I don't represent the majority of anyone. Don't judge anything by me. You shouldn't:D
Call me naive, but i don't see the place for Linux. No offense. I just think its a lot of duplicated effort. No point to it whatsoever. It has the same goals as FreeBSD. They aren't like two different colors of cars, in which personal perferrance should be the deciding factor. Theres no reason to have two free UNIX (and UNIX-like) OSes with the same goal, imho.
And I'll say it from now, FREEBSD NEVER FRAGMENTED. BSD died and had kids. 386BSD (now FreeBSD) was one of them. Nothing that I know of that anyone actually uses is based on FreeBSD besides FreeBSD itself. I've never seen FreeBSD modified and commericaly redistributed in any way. All of the CDs i see are EXACTLY the same as the "real thing"
BSD fragmented (if you want to view it so myopically). Not FreeBSD.
Correction, FreeBSD is updated frequently (the -CURRENT tree)
They just take time before they commit the changes to the -STABLE branch. -CURRENT is a _live_ snapshot of the entire FreeBSD OS (not just the kernel) that any registered developer can change whenever they want. So if we gave each daily snapshot a version number, then freebsd would look like it was revamping like crazy.
Hah. 2.2.x is about as new as 3.x, if not newer. So its not as if Linux has had it much longer.
In my opinion (so you can't call it FUD) FreeBSD is the best thing going for x86.
have you used both? have you?
I've used both Debian 2.0 [upgraded to 2.1 with apt-get and glibc2.1] (and shortly, as i despised it, RedHat 5.1) and FreeBSD 3.2-Release. I like FreeBSD more.
Actually, I switched to FreeBSD because Linux didn't support the hardware well that i had just bought that day. Boy am i glad i bought those NICs (Intel Etherexpress Pro/10+) as i got introduced to FreeBSD because of it.
I've never had any problem with hardware support. Have you actually been to www.freebsd.org and looked at supported-hardware?
Stable yes, efficent no.
Both Linux and FreeBSD have a lot of room for improvement for SMP. Neither one is that good. AFAIK NT outperforms both in SMP. (then again, x86 isn't a good platform for SMP either)
i dare you to find any popular (new or old) hardware that isn't supported by freebsd.
Take everything with a grain of salt that comes from someone who hasn't used both OSes. (and recently)
why can't you do that with FreeBSD? besides what the other posters have suggested, just make more tty's and add entries to/etc/ttys (then killall -1 1)
Not really, I orginally went to freebsd because they didn't support my ethernet card. (and boy am i glad those were the NICs i picked up that day) you'll probably have a better chance getting your bootleg sound card to work (i know everyone has one) with the luigi driver then anything with linux. And you don't need OSS either:) http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html#INS TALL-HW Go tell me that isn't a lot of hardware. FreeBSD doesn't support MCA tho. Who cares about PS/2s?:) Although i don't own many cool toys, my friends do and they enjoy watching TV on their freebsd box via tuner, etc.
Can you be more specific with the hardware that you have that isn't supported?
(20 minutes later, two things i should have also added) >It has just recently (last year or two) reached a point where it can claim as such. Not quite, its still not a UNIX. Perhaps its POSIX compliant, looks real like UNIX, but it is not a UNIX as it isn't a descendant of bell lab's UNIX.
the Core team is just a little stricter. Less crap gets by. More people controlling the final release allows for that kinda thing:)
(oh, and btw, anyone can contribute patches but yes, you have to be registered to upload to -CURRENT. with good reason too, as you wouldn't want someone adding code that flashes bios on boot, and then fry the mobo of the little guy testing current..)
_anyone_ can contribute to freebsd. I dunno where this myth started.
The core team is just a group of people who have the final say on what goes in. _JUST_ like Linus.
plus its easier to make changes to both userland and kernel, as they come together in/usr/src and everything is clean (recompile everything with make buildworld ; make installworld too!) as FreeBSD is an OS, not just a kernel:P
man natd tells you everything you need to know. Its a sinch to setup, no problems whatsoever. only caveat is without extra setup games with more than one other person with lag. so when you are invoking natd use the command: (for example) natd -m -n ex0 -redirect_port udp 6112 10.0.0.2:6112 in which ex0 is the nic you are running natd on (man natd) and 10.0.0.2 is the IP from the computer that you are running sc/bw on.
Correction, they are siblings. (i did more research, and most netbsd docs work fine on freebsd btw)
Considering BSD itself is extremely old (in computer years) there is no wonder that it gave birth to different OSes. It wasn't actually fragmented, other works borrowed its code and eventually BSD died.
However much you want to argue, Linux is fragmented. Too many different working distributions. There is just ONE FreeBSD. PERIOD (thats the little dot thing).
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no text. But if you read anyway, i just don't see why they used linux instead of freebsd.
look at crack.linuxppc.org
linux can't handle out of memory as well as freebsd.
(and whoever says linux is more stable then freebsd needs to do some research)
And Nostradomus, the European prophet, foretold of the Great Mars's fire coming down on the skies in the 7th month of 1999 (7th month can be interpreted as July or August, as August being the time after 7 months. People were weird back then).
Nostradomus predectied the world to end.
And as Mir means life in Russian, it also means world.
So, all of the Nostradomus fans can say he was right again. Most of N's predictions were interpreted like this anyway, which is why he had such a high "sucess" rate.
of course he doesn't mean that. he means have a government body sign keys. (go research PGP if you aren't familar with signing keys, its in a nutshell putting your key's reputation on the line verifying that the other key belongs to who they claim to be.)
its an entirely different OS and should be treated as such. NetBSD docs don't usually work well with FreeBSD, as they shouldn't, for the same reason they don't work with linux or, better yet, windows documentation doesn't work with linux.
With however many distributions, each with their subtle (or sometimes great) differences, to have one document apply to everyone is foolish.
No two linux boxes get from point A to point B the same way.
That is one of the reasons i switched to FreeBSD a couple weeks ago, better documentation (www.freebsd.org, Handbook, excellent man pages, etc.) and what works for one person will almost always work for you (assuming your talking to someone else who is running your version, and considering stable branch gets new releases only every couple months, thats almost always likely)
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and thats a downside why?
its not as if its not getting improved upon. Just that they want -STABLE to be just that, _STABLE_
The quality of FreeBSD isn't adversly affected at all by the BSD-style license.
Noone ever added onto a GPL program without the belief in free software. Ever.
People contribute to FreeBSD because they believe in free software. The same reason people develop for linux.
The license is meaningless for most people. Plus who wants to try to go commerical, hire lots of programmers, to try to compete with a huuge competitor that gives what you are trying to improve and sell (which they are constantly improving) for free? There isn't much room in there.
Although BSD/OS and BSDi seem to be doing well, it doesn't make FreeBSD any less free. Get over it, its not about a political movement its about free beer. And just because people sell your "Free Beer" that doesn't mean you have to buy it :D Its still free for you!
i've used both freebsd and debian (2.0 with apt and gone to 2.1 with it, etc.)
:D
I like freebsd more.
Was that 100 times comment a joke?
100 times better than any recent OS MS produced maybe. MAYBE. MAYBE!
NT has strong SMP support.
Ahh, thats refreshing. I too have used both Debian and FreeBSD. If you have read anything i have wrote since a switched, you'd know which one i liked (i'll give you a hint: its not the penguin) more.
And I too liked the GPL and GNU utils. Not anymore.
Someone has to say it. Might as well be me.
I'd like to add a disclaimer now: I don't represent the majority of anyone. Don't judge anything by me. You shouldn't
Call me naive, but i don't see the place for Linux. No offense. I just think its a lot of duplicated effort. No point to it whatsoever. It has the same goals as FreeBSD. They aren't like two different colors of cars, in which personal perferrance should be the deciding factor. Theres no reason to have two free UNIX (and UNIX-like) OSes with the same goal, imho.
And I'll say it from now, FREEBSD NEVER FRAGMENTED.
BSD died and had kids. 386BSD (now FreeBSD) was one of them. Nothing that I know of that anyone actually uses is based on FreeBSD besides FreeBSD itself. I've never seen FreeBSD modified and commericaly redistributed in any way. All of the CDs i see are EXACTLY the same as the "real thing"
BSD fragmented (if you want to view it so myopically). Not FreeBSD.
Shoes making him faster...
I don't see why there is any advantage linux has over freebsd for the desktop.
They just take time before they commit the changes to the -STABLE branch. -CURRENT is a _live_ snapshot of the entire FreeBSD OS (not just the kernel) that any registered developer can change whenever they want. So if we gave each daily snapshot a version number, then freebsd would look like it was revamping like crazy.
2.2.x is about as new as 3.x, if not newer. So its not as if Linux has had it much longer.
In my opinion (so you can't call it FUD) FreeBSD is the best thing going for x86.
have you used both? have you?
I've used both Debian 2.0 [upgraded to 2.1 with apt-get and glibc2.1] (and shortly, as i despised it, RedHat 5.1) and FreeBSD 3.2-Release. I like FreeBSD more.
Actually, I switched to FreeBSD because Linux didn't support the hardware well that i had just bought that day. Boy am i glad i bought those NICs (Intel Etherexpress Pro/10+) as i got introduced to FreeBSD because of it.
I've never had any problem with hardware support. Have you actually been to www.freebsd.org and looked at supported-hardware?
Stable yes, efficent no.
Both Linux and FreeBSD have a lot of room for improvement for SMP. Neither one is that good. AFAIK NT outperforms both in SMP. (then again, x86 isn't a good platform for SMP either)
i dare you to find any popular (new or old) hardware that isn't supported by freebsd.
Take everything with a grain of salt that comes from someone who hasn't used both OSes. (and recently)
gimme a break.
Linus does the EXACT same thing.
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Not really, I orginally went to freebsd because they didn't support my ethernet card. :) S TALL-HW :)
(and boy am i glad those were the NICs i picked up that day)
you'll probably have a better chance getting your bootleg sound card to work (i know everyone has one) with the luigi driver then anything with linux. And you don't need OSS either
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html#IN
Go tell me that isn't a lot of hardware. FreeBSD doesn't support MCA tho. Who cares about PS/2s?
Although i don't own many cool toys, my friends do and they enjoy watching TV on their freebsd box via tuner, etc.
Can you be more specific with the hardware that you have that isn't supported?
(20 minutes later, two things i should have also added)
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>It has just recently (last year or two) reached a point where it can claim as such.
Not quite, its still not a UNIX. Perhaps its POSIX compliant, looks real like UNIX, but it is not a UNIX as it isn't a descendant of bell lab's UNIX.
the Core team is just a little stricter. Less crap gets by. More people controlling the final release allows for that kinda thing
(oh, and btw, anyone can contribute patches but yes, you have to be registered to upload to -CURRENT. with good reason too, as you wouldn't want someone adding code that flashes bios on boot, and then fry the mobo of the little guy testing current..)
_anyone_ can contribute to freebsd. I dunno where this myth started.
/usr/src and everything is clean (recompile everything with make buildworld ; make installworld too!) as FreeBSD is an OS, not just a kernel :P
The core team is just a group of people who have the final say on what goes in. _JUST_ like Linus.
plus its easier to make changes to both userland and kernel, as they come together in
its only a pain if you didn't set it up correctly the first time.
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ahem, BSDi is not an OS. BSDi is a company, their product is BSD/OS $.02
i'm a freebsd user and highly recommend natd.
man natd tells you everything you need to know.
Its a sinch to setup, no problems whatsoever.
only caveat is without extra setup games with more than one other person with lag. so when you are invoking natd use the command: (for example)
natd -m -n ex0 -redirect_port udp 6112 10.0.0.2:6112
in which ex0 is the nic you are running natd on (man natd) and 10.0.0.2 is the IP from the computer that you are running sc/bw on.
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Correction, they are siblings.
(i did more research, and most netbsd docs work fine on freebsd btw)
Considering BSD itself is extremely old (in computer years) there is no wonder that it gave birth to different OSes. It wasn't actually fragmented, other works borrowed its code and eventually BSD died.
However much you want to argue, Linux is fragmented. Too many different working distributions. There is just ONE FreeBSD. PERIOD (thats the little dot thing).
no text. But if you read anyway, i just don't see why they used linux instead of freebsd.
look at crack.linuxppc.org
linux can't handle out of memory as well as freebsd.
(and whoever says linux is more stable then freebsd needs to do some research)
woops, temporary hole in memory.
:)
it means peace AND world. Gorbacheov said in a speech (in russian): I want peace and was interpreted as saying I want the world
whatever. i think thats who it was.
And Nostradomus, the European prophet, foretold of the Great Mars's fire coming down on the skies in the 7th month of 1999 (7th month can be interpreted as July or August, as August being the time after 7 months. People were weird back then).
Nostradomus predectied the world to end.
And as Mir means life in Russian, it also means world.
So, all of the Nostradomus fans can say he was right again. Most of N's predictions were interpreted like this anyway, which is why he had such a high "sucess" rate.
of course he doesn't mean that.
he means have a government body sign keys. (go research PGP if you aren't familar with signing keys, its in a nutshell putting your key's reputation on the line verifying that the other key belongs to who they claim to be.)
That makes more sense..
NetBSD isn't a distribution of FreeBSD.
its an entirely different OS and should be treated as such. NetBSD docs don't usually work well with FreeBSD, as they shouldn't, for the same reason they don't work with linux or, better yet, windows documentation doesn't work with linux.
With however many distributions, each with their subtle (or sometimes great) differences, to have one document apply to everyone is foolish.
No two linux boxes get from point A to point B the same way.
That is one of the reasons i switched to FreeBSD a couple weeks ago, better documentation (www.freebsd.org, Handbook, excellent man pages, etc.)
and what works for one person will almost always work for you (assuming your talking to someone else who is running your version, and considering stable branch gets new releases only every couple months, thats almost always likely)
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