The question is not what the outcome will be, there are other issues concerned as well. IP protection regulation is sweet porridge, the extension doesn't stop. So we have to show our muscles. Note: Even if it would be passed: 5 years later and more restrictive. And of course there are other side effects.
FFII and the Eurolinux Alliance are very strong in Brussels and they grow stronger every day. About 200 people now focus on this issue as activists on our mailing lists. You can subscribe to patent@aful.org or take part in theOnline demonstration or become a member/supporter of FFII or sign the Eurolinux Petition.
You can support FFII by donations or even better by contributions. The European Parliament underestimated us. The patent lawyer slaves in Europarl came under strong pressure. We will be a mayor stakeholder in any future debate.
The Green Party/EFA Groups impressed by our work even called for Open Source in the EU institutions:
The Green/EFA group in the European Parliament has called on the EU, and in particular on the European Parliament, to support free/open-source software by introducing it into their IT systems.
In a letter to the Secretary General of the Parliament, Julian Priestley, dated 9 September, the two Green/EFA Co-Presidents Monica Frassoni and Daniel Cohn-Bendit, argue that - as well as supporting Europe's software industry - switching to free and open source software would benefit the Parliament in terms of data continuity, technological independence and budgetary considerations. It would additionally take note of the Parliament's Echelon resolution, which recommended using non-proprietary software to increase technological security.
I also would like to remind you that the US government lobbied against us, esp. against interoperability in the directive. The wrote a letter to EU parliamentarians. I think it is time to internationalize the debate and we need your help to get rid of EU, US, JP ecc. trivial software patents.
Unfortunately OSI does not support anti-swpat action and very few US activists joined forces with us. An OSI representative (Russell Nelson) from the board of directors says they are
"neutral" not really caring about Intellectual Property, and that's what is
written in their FAQ.
Space industry?
State funded industry, that is easy!
Politicians like it. It is time to request an Governmental Open source Forundation. Siemens got 1 Billion for a chip development that was produced in France. And what about the chip factory in middle Germany? Paid by state, tax exepted and now it will be moved to the east.
Open Source creates real jobs. Let's request three billions for open Source development from our government. It was in the Green partys election program.
I think liberal, I am against state industries. But OSS funding leads to less governmental spending.
RedHat distributed its Linux via noname distributory who sold old "redhat" version. Another important thing is that RedHat didn't support German language slightly worse.
Market target group of RedHat (professional users) prefers Debian, that's their problem.
"Now when I say political I mean maybe Germany doesn't want to spend their money on US products based on the tension between the US and Germany that started with the war somehow. "
tension? I was more like accounting: the figures were wrong. Nobody has a problem with the USA (as long as they respect international law and institutions) or was anti-US. The only problem is the reaction of the USA that didn't respect our souveranity, our "national" Free Speech and tried to bully their allies.
I don't think that in our globalized world any modern countrie can be independend from others. As far as I know there is no trade boycott against products of both sides, because business is rational. And come on! USA and Germany are both Western countries. We don't act against each others. (Despite some business spying performed by the US in Europe).
In Germany Sco.de was stopped by munich district court. They may not spill anti-competitive statements against Linux. And they already had to pay a penalty. Sco.de also doesn't sell these doubtful licenses.
I think this is common in all places of the Aerth. However, the Green Party proposed a Bundesstiftung Open Source. This may be very intresting as far as Open Source programmers don't have to work according to the V-Model of software development.
Lindows is of none importance in Germany. SuSe is affiliated with IBM and very strong the local market. Linux means Linux with KDE. Unfortunaltely you cannot sell Gnome to corporate users in Europe. RedHat is less important.
SuSe or Debian.
Read CSU-Bayernkurier Feuilleton!
Read IT policy proposals by CSU.
I remind you that 2/3 elect this party; this and a 91% vote is regarded as a sign of strength, part of the so called "Geschlossenheit" ideology.
I think Northern Germans are more liberal. Lever dod as slaav.
And of course: Bavarians are sooo proud of themselves and their currupt system. Take their "Zentralabitur" as an example. In Bavaria it would have been far more easier for me. Every year similar simple questions while I had to learn more and teachers had more freedom. Of course there are also bad comprehensive schools with lower standards, but...
Well, just read the PISA nonsense propaganda...
An uneducated man like Stoiber as a chancellor, Beckstein as minister of interior, I would go abroad...
And thanks to Munich FFII Germany has the strongest anti-swpat movement...
In Munich they demontrated together with a social democrat politician Lochner-Fischer (Member of Bavarian House of representatives) that capaigned for Linux! See this picture with her election campaign banners.
Also European MEP Wolfgang Kreissl-Dorfler hold a speech at FFII demo munich.
Note: As a Northern German I don't like Bavarian culture, but Munich is special, less ultra-conservative than the rest of Bavaria. As an European I am proud of the leading role of Europe in the current silent Open Source revolution.
The please listen what OSI writes about it: they don't support a "crusade against patents".
Are you guys opposed to intellectual property rights?
The Open Source Initiative does not have a position on whether ideas can be owned, whether patents are good or bad, or any of the related controversies. We think the economic self-interest arguments for open source are strong enough that nobody needs to go on any moral crusades about it.
Crusade reminds me of the stupid remarks of GWBush, his "crusade against evil". And how does BinLaden call the West? "Crusaders"
Perhaps you don't know but the EU also silently prepares a DMCA style law (Euro DMCA reloaded). It is in the hands of the same people that put the EU swpat directive underway.
Out finde more about the EU IPR Enforcement directive here or here.
So why did nobody slashdot it? This news above is more or less outdated. I gues there was also no slashdot report about the Green party event in Brussels broadcasted via satellite TV. Did Berners-Lee participate?
The headline is crap. It is not even about Open Source but about the future of informations society at large, because shareware programmers and IT giants (see: MS vs. Eolas) are targeted as well.
I read it in a independend news report. Did you participate?
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Why don't you become a member of FFII? Although they are associated with FSF Europe. However, FSF does very little in the debate. It is more or less managed by FFII and it's European supporters (AEL.be, AFUL, Vrijschrift, EDRI, ecc.).
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The question is not what the outcome will be, there are other issues concerned as well. IP protection regulation is sweet porridge, the extension doesn't stop. So we have to show our muscles. Note: Even if it would be passed: 5 years later and more restrictive. And of course there are other side effects.
See My Comment. I also mention the US "support" for us.
I don't like the word solution, however with a saxonian accent its wonderful :-)
Yes, the critical mass will be reached soon. Kde 3.2 and then...
Space industry? State funded industry, that is easy! Politicians like it. It is time to request an Governmental Open source Forundation. Siemens got 1 Billion for a chip development that was produced in France. And what about the chip factory in middle Germany? Paid by state, tax exepted and now it will be moved to the east. Open Source creates real jobs. Let's request three billions for open Source development from our government. It was in the Green partys election program. I think liberal, I am against state industries. But OSS funding leads to less governmental spending.
You meant Monopoly capitalism (MS, software patents) against Free Market (Linux, Open Source, Open Standards)?!
No, courts are independent from Government.
Divisions of power, i guess the same applies for other countries...
I am disappointed about my DOJ as it promoted software patents in Europe...
Lawyers - your poison for information society
Ich kenne keine Nationen mehr, ich kenne nur noch Linux! (paraphrase of Wilhelm II, I don't know nations anymore, I only know linux)
RedHat distributed its Linux via noname distributory who sold old "redhat" version. Another important thing is that RedHat didn't support German language slightly worse. Market target group of RedHat (professional users) prefers Debian, that's their problem.
It is an artificial translation.
"Now when I say political I mean maybe Germany doesn't want to spend their money on US products based on the tension between the US and Germany that started with the war somehow. " tension? I was more like accounting: the figures were wrong. Nobody has a problem with the USA (as long as they respect international law and institutions) or was anti-US. The only problem is the reaction of the USA that didn't respect our souveranity, our "national" Free Speech and tried to bully their allies. I don't think that in our globalized world any modern countrie can be independend from others. As far as I know there is no trade boycott against products of both sides, because business is rational. And come on! USA and Germany are both Western countries. We don't act against each others. (Despite some business spying performed by the US in Europe).
In Germany Sco.de was stopped by munich district court. They may not spill anti-competitive statements against Linux. And they already had to pay a penalty. Sco.de also doesn't sell these doubtful licenses.
I think this is common in all places of the Aerth. However, the Green Party proposed a Bundesstiftung Open Source. This may be very intresting as far as Open Source programmers don't have to work according to the V-Model of software development.
Lindows is of none importance in Germany. SuSe is affiliated with IBM and very strong the local market. Linux means Linux with KDE. Unfortunaltely you cannot sell Gnome to corporate users in Europe. RedHat is less important. SuSe or Debian.
I regard it as very impolite to spell federal states like this. I also don't call New York, Neu York as they did in 189X.
Read CSU-Bayernkurier Feuilleton! Read IT policy proposals by CSU. I remind you that 2/3 elect this party; this and a 91% vote is regarded as a sign of strength, part of the so called "Geschlossenheit" ideology. I think Northern Germans are more liberal. Lever dod as slaav. And of course: Bavarians are sooo proud of themselves and their currupt system. Take their "Zentralabitur" as an example. In Bavaria it would have been far more easier for me. Every year similar simple questions while I had to learn more and teachers had more freedom. Of course there are also bad comprehensive schools with lower standards, but... Well, just read the PISA nonsense propaganda... An uneducated man like Stoiber as a chancellor, Beckstein as minister of interior, I would go abroad...
And thanks to Munich FFII Germany has the strongest anti-swpat movement...
In Munich they demontrated together with a social democrat politician Lochner-Fischer (Member of Bavarian House of representatives) that capaigned for Linux! See this picture with her election campaign banners.
Also European MEP Wolfgang Kreissl-Dorfler hold a speech at FFII demo munich.
German Wiki page about Munich demo
Note: As a Northern German I don't like Bavarian culture, but Munich is special, less ultra-conservative than the rest of Bavaria. As an European I am proud of the leading role of Europe in the current silent Open Source revolution.
Crusade reminds me of the stupid remarks of GWBush, his "crusade against evil". And how does BinLaden call the West? "Crusaders"
I prefer a crusade against evil patents.
Out finde more about the EU IPR Enforcement directive here or here.
I guess there is also the ArleneMcCarthy-virus underway :-)
So why did nobody slashdot it? This news above is more or less outdated. I gues there was also no slashdot report about the Green party event in Brussels broadcasted via satellite TV. Did Berners-Lee participate?
The headline is crap. It is not even about Open Source but about the future of informations society at large, because shareware programmers and IT giants (see: MS vs. Eolas) are targeted as well.
She's top on the Uk labour list for EU elections. and responsible for this directive proposal.
I read it in a independend news report. Did you participate?
Why don't you become a member of FFII? Although they are associated with FSF Europe. However, FSF does very little in the debate. It is more or less managed by FFII and it's European supporters (AEL.be, AFUL, Vrijschrift, EDRI, ecc.).
http://swpat.ffii.org
https://www.ffii.org/ffii-cgi/eintrag?m=login