That's called a straw argument. Exactly how many times have you had to figure the number of m or cm in your travels? If I were going to try to be that precise, yes, I'd use metric. In daily life, it doesn't matter and anyone promoting that it does is either OCD or meddlesome.
"do you think it would be fair to say that since 1900 in America over 100 million jobs have been "destroyed" by outsourcing and technology? Such as horse trainers, carriage makers, textile workers, etc."
You make it sound so logical. You know, using two jobs that occurred when there was no outsourcing and which are of virtually no current use.
Unfortunately the local mechanic and auto factory worker who replaced them are now being outsourced out of existence along with the textile worker. So, the answer would be yes, they were destroyed. They are being done elsewhere and those who did them here are now doing fry cook level jobs. A net loss.
"Would you say that the forces responsible for that caused less real compensation?"
Than what, the job they had previously? Yes.
"Why didn't that person save while they were "high on the hog" and bury the money in an index of companies so as to insure against falling behind?"
Uh, why did you quote yourself? Kind of unusual. Maybe it was to give the false impression that people who wind up destitute or broken due to oursourcing are frivilous beforehand and therefore somehow deserve it? You know they were "high on the hog" how? That implies swimming in goods, not just making a living.
"Why do you think searching for employees and employers is so hard to do?"
Because of the experience disparity created by offshoring that was mentioned earlier?
"Also, there's no correlation between the loss of American jobs and offshoring. In fact, far more offshoring went on during the 90's than the 2000's and nobody can say the US had fewer jobs afterwards."
Um, bullshit. As someone who was working corporate during that time, many jobs were 'let' and no, those jobs did not come back home at any time. So, those jobs were lost. Saw it with my own eyes.
"Somewhere in there it trickles down, but you can take an economics class to learn about that."
That's an affirmation on your part only. I suggest you take that class and learn that there is no necessity for it to 'trickle'.
Foo. Our descendants will reap the benefits of the technology that was developed utilizing ff. Bloody resource wars will only occur if we fail to become a space-faring race. We will graduate beyond them (fossil fuels) and our progeny will be grateful we did. Unless you think they'd rather be living in caves.
Good lord, I have to agree. That's inexcusably crappy design for thirty years ago, much less now. No damn wonder they 'beat' the old machine. They really beat the old, crappy coding.
Wonder if they would have done as well against a well-designed application?
Yep. Many of the top planners have been snuffed. Many of the money-ways have been stopped. Yep. Not completely, but certainly more than if Clinton had continued ignoring them.
"Are you confident the Freedom Tower will stand forever because W can open your mail?"
Only an idiot would. And, only an idiot would ask a question such as that, or someone who knew full well it was straw.
"Did hanging Hussein and killing 3,000 american soldiers as punishment for Hussein executing 148 Sunnis shut down the suicide-bomber factories?"
First, asshat, we didn't kill 3K soldiers, the Islamofascists did. Second, Hussein executed Sheits(sp), not Sunnis. Third, he executed more like hundreds of thousands. Did it shut down the factories? No. Neither did Carter and Clinton's capitulations, though.
It is about both control and security. Just like it was for Clinton. But, some people would rather sacrifice everything if it meant getting a specific political party out of office. BR
What a steaming pile of crap. Those who simply want to mind their own business do well in this world until those who actually try to impliment chaos come along. Exploitive people have always existed and -- by the way -- would be subjegating you without out said big government. People who promote chaos are fucking idiots and wouldn't survive the end of the week if their wish came true. Chaos is exactly that. Don't do as I like and I kill you without fear of retribution.
About the only thing true in those post-apocolyptic movies are the big bad guys enslaving everyone weaker. So, weaker one, be grateful for those laws.
Please describe a method whereby a nation can defend itself indefinitely without resorting to retaliation on those who issue violence in its direction?
Times up. You can't. When someone is pummeling you, you needs pummel back or lose.
"To his credit, after Katrina, he charted a plane and saved a hospital full of people before Bush did anything particularly useful."
Good example of bullshit. Bush, being president (therefore operating at the federal level) was restricted by laws that required he ask (which he did) that Louisiana request federal assistance. Louisiana did not. Surprise, surprise, the feds didn't march in.
Gore, being a civilian, was not under such restraint.
"I suspect he may genuinely be trying to help save the world. I did watch the Gore video. It was entertaining, but it took several asides into politics, which I felt cheapened the message.
"
"How can you be so sure."
Because it was the cameras what got him. Are you arguing against reality here?
"Over time, every psycho wannabe will pursue such kind of job."
Uh, it's not happening now and those jobs offer the same power. Why not now, but it will in the near future? You got a differentiating idea on that?
All you give is a cascading set of fears. The truth is far more mundane.
Me, because it's retarded reasoning and I'll explain why. In the actual instance, only the killer was 'inconvenienced', in your retarded example, many innocent people were slain. Understand?
That brilliant scientist would also have access the lowly techs don't, making him a greater security risk. People are people, the b-s is no more moral than the l-t. Check.
Right. The eradication of smallpox, polio and other little beasties; the improvements in energy; diagnosis of genetically caused problems and mapping the human genome; astrophysical, geological, chemical, and other hard scientific advancements... Well, you get the picture. Only someone with long-term memory problems (or, maybe, a political agenda) would make a statement such as "The major drive of science in the last century was war".
That we need to correct problems our ancestors didn't foresee because of lack of data? Boo-friggin-hoo. Once you set the standard of perfection, get back with your criticisms.
Ah, idealism. Puts the blinders on memory. Things won't be different until both the Dems and Reps are deposed by a centrist party. Roll up the sleeves? Only so they can reach further up your ass for money.
Very good. One and two are already underway. Three is only wished against by the Luddites who don't correctly remember the crap-fest that was life before technology. Four will actually come about as we learn more about climate and the factors influencing it, thereby realizing we weren't all that big an influence to begin with.
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"America needs to start the switch"
Why, exactly? Other than you want us to.
Pushing it how ? By being successful and using it? Get a grip. Use the other if you prefer.
That's called a straw argument. Exactly how many times have you had to figure the number of m or cm in your travels? If I were going to try to be that precise, yes, I'd use metric. In daily life, it doesn't matter and anyone promoting that it does is either OCD or meddlesome.
"do you think it would be fair to say that since 1900 in America over 100 million jobs have been "destroyed" by outsourcing and technology? Such as horse trainers, carriage makers, textile workers, etc."
You make it sound so logical. You know, using two jobs that occurred when there was no outsourcing and which are of virtually no current use.
Unfortunately the local mechanic and auto factory worker who replaced them are now being outsourced out of existence along with the textile worker. So, the answer would be yes, they were destroyed. They are being done elsewhere and those who did them here are now doing fry cook level jobs. A net loss.
"Would you say that the forces responsible for that caused less real compensation?"
Than what, the job they had previously? Yes.
"Why didn't that person save while they were "high on the hog" and bury the money in an index of companies so as to insure against falling behind?"
Uh, why did you quote yourself? Kind of unusual. Maybe it was to give the false impression that people who wind up destitute or broken due to oursourcing are frivilous beforehand and therefore somehow deserve it? You know they were "high on the hog" how? That implies swimming in goods, not just making a living.
"Why do you think searching for employees and employers is so hard to do?"
Because of the experience disparity created by offshoring that was mentioned earlier?
"Also, there's no correlation between the loss of American jobs and offshoring. In fact, far more offshoring went on during the 90's than the 2000's and nobody can say the US had fewer jobs afterwards."
Um, bullshit. As someone who was working corporate during that time, many jobs were 'let' and no, those jobs did not come back home at any time. So, those jobs were lost. Saw it with my own eyes.
"Somewhere in there it trickles down, but you can take an economics class to learn about that."
That's an affirmation on your part only. I suggest you take that class and learn that there is no necessity for it to 'trickle'.
Just being pedantic here. I think you meant a post petroleum world. Ethanol is carbon based too.
Foo. Our descendants will reap the benefits of the technology that was developed utilizing ff. Bloody resource wars will only occur if we fail to become a space-faring race. We will graduate beyond them (fossil fuels) and our progeny will be grateful we did. Unless you think they'd rather be living in caves.
Good lord, I have to agree. That's inexcusably crappy design for thirty years ago, much less now. No damn wonder they 'beat' the old machine. They really beat the old, crappy coding.
Wonder if they would have done as well against a well-designed application?
Wow! Lot of bull there. Where to start?
"Do you feel safer since 9/11?"
Yep. Many of the top planners have been snuffed. Many of the money-ways have been stopped. Yep. Not completely, but certainly more than if Clinton had continued ignoring them.
"Are you confident the Freedom Tower will stand forever because W can open your mail?"
Only an idiot would. And, only an idiot would ask a question such as that, or someone who knew full well it was straw.
"Did hanging Hussein and killing 3,000 american soldiers as punishment for Hussein executing 148 Sunnis shut down the suicide-bomber factories?"
First, asshat, we didn't kill 3K soldiers, the Islamofascists did. Second, Hussein executed Sheits(sp), not Sunnis. Third, he executed more like hundreds of thousands. Did it shut down the factories? No. Neither did Carter and Clinton's capitulations, though.
It is about both control and security. Just like it was for Clinton. But, some people would rather sacrifice everything if it meant getting a specific political party out of office.
BR
What a steaming pile of crap. Those who simply want to mind their own business do well in this world until those who actually try to impliment chaos come along. Exploitive people have always existed and -- by the way -- would be subjegating you without out said big government. People who promote chaos are fucking idiots and wouldn't survive the end of the week if their wish came true. Chaos is exactly that. Don't do as I like and I kill you without fear of retribution.
About the only thing true in those post-apocolyptic movies are the big bad guys enslaving everyone weaker. So, weaker one, be grateful for those laws.
"You also seem to have no respect for individualism or the experiences of the individual."
Not at all what he wrote, dumbass. Perhaps you didn't pay attention to your English teacher during the comprehension periods.
Please describe a method whereby a nation can defend itself indefinitely without resorting to retaliation on those who issue violence in its direction?
Times up. You can't. When someone is pummeling you, you needs pummel back or lose.
Oh, friggin' please. There's a benign and all-encompassing plot by the 'peaceful' lefties to subvert the 'harmful' wishes of the righties? Imbicile.
"To his credit, after Katrina, he charted a plane and saved a hospital full of people before Bush did anything particularly useful."
Good example of bullshit. Bush, being president (therefore operating at the federal level) was restricted by laws that required he ask (which he did) that Louisiana request federal assistance. Louisiana did not. Surprise, surprise, the feds didn't march in.
Gore, being a civilian, was not under such restraint.
"I suspect he may genuinely be trying to help save the world. I did watch the Gore video. It was entertaining, but it took several asides into politics, which I felt cheapened the message. "
And you don't see the contradiction therin?
Yes, there are two sides. Your post is a good example of the bias he was referring to at CNN and others. Good job displaying it.
"A pain in the ass..."
Was that the efficacy you were referring to?
This piece of shit was modded insightful???
It's not even a good analogy because of the lopsided casualty rates. Jesus mods, take you hands off your balls before typing.
"How can you be so sure."
Because it was the cameras what got him. Are you arguing against reality here?
"Over time, every psycho wannabe will pursue such kind of job."
Uh, it's not happening now and those jobs offer the same power. Why not now, but it will in the near future? You got a differentiating idea on that?
All you give is a cascading set of fears. The truth is far more mundane.
Me, because it's retarded reasoning and I'll explain why. In the actual instance, only the killer was 'inconvenienced', in your retarded example, many innocent people were slain. Understand?
That brilliant scientist would also have access the lowly techs don't, making him a greater security risk. People are people, the b-s is no more moral than the l-t. Check.
Right. The eradication of smallpox, polio and other little beasties; the improvements in energy; diagnosis of genetically caused problems and mapping the human genome; astrophysical, geological, chemical, and other hard scientific advancements... Well, you get the picture. Only someone with long-term memory problems (or, maybe, a political agenda) would make a statement such as "The major drive of science in the last century was war".
That we need to correct problems our ancestors didn't foresee because of lack of data? Boo-friggin-hoo. Once you set the standard of perfection, get back with your criticisms.
Ah, idealism. Puts the blinders on memory. Things won't be different until both the Dems and Reps are deposed by a centrist party. Roll up the sleeves? Only so they can reach further up your ass for money.
Very good. One and two are already underway. Three is only wished against by the Luddites who don't correctly remember the crap-fest that was life before technology. Four will actually come about as we learn more about climate and the factors influencing it, thereby realizing we weren't all that big an influence to begin with.
Because it's a chicken and not a human.
So, you don't walk across the street every day? Your bias is showing.
... tomorrow night."
"I'm not debating
And, you will be navigating the streets to get there. Still biased.
"You say this, but people die eating NORMAL ANIMALS. "
Bullshit. Unless you're talking about puffer fish or the like, bullshit. Name a few. Bias still in effect.