Stereotypes are stereotypes, doesn't make them true. doesn't make them accurate. And it most certainly doesn't make them a "good thing"
>As a hetero male, I have spent 30 years studying >females, and you, sir, are male. You may have >hacked your wang off, but you are male.
In my 37 years I've studied the "female culture" probably more closely than you have. The fact that you claim women over analyze words based on a small statistcal sample, your wife?, does not make that statement applicable to a women. Which is what you did. Then you claimed that since you perceived I lacked that quality I wasn't a woman.
What makes you think I've "hacked of my crotch"? I haven't.
>Madison is a woman. It's in her nature. >You can tell by the way she communicates.
How can you say this without more data, especially data involving real life conversation?
You have to remember, Madison is younger than I am, about 10 years I think. She started her transition, I haven't done that. She's taken hormones, I haven't. I've spent a longer time, having to live the male role.
When I was young, I got picked on for being a "sissy and crybaby", so I had to repress that part of me. Even today, I find myself holding back in conversations and emotional responses, and social interactions because of that. My instinct says to do/say one thing, but my head stops that because I'm afraid of other people. For example If I start "gushing" in a conversation, I pull it back, and then I get ashamed for pulling it back.
I've spent decades repressing every little thing that might get perceived as feminine and now you throw it in my face. Thank you oh so very much.
Your words hurt me more than those of that AC's No you didn't mean to do that. Here I am sitting at my computer and crying.over a Slashdot post.
My Question about what makes a woman a woman was rhetorical, it was designed to get you to think.That's what I was trying to do.
>I have little doubt that you are transgendered, >but I also have little doubt that you have a >man's brain. There's nothing wrong with that. You >can't help the way you are. But, the way you >communicate just screams "gay guy in drag".
You don't know this, but words similar to that paragraph are often used by T-folk to put other T-folk down. Basically trying to say that they are more "feminine" than others. It hurts.
I do have a question, why do you think I'm attracted to men? I'm not. I know it's a stereotype, "They do it so they can have sex with men and not feel guilt" But it isn't true.
>Madison communicates like a woman, despite her >being born with male body-parts and hormones. >Such is life, I guess. I wish you both the best >of luck
You don't know this either but self doubt is why so many T-folk delay their transitions. All those years of repression helps one doubt ones one thoughts and feelings. Let me tell you that isn't fun at all.
I know you didn't mean ill. Thanks for your well wishes.
could you remember this one thing. If you ever have a child that is transgendered or different, could you give them all the love you can and then some? They really need it.
Take care.
She may not look 100% feminine--look at her face (and prolly her crotch too, since she's pre-op, right?), but as you say, she is a woman in her head and her heart.
>Veronica Moonlit is a misogynist gay man who >pretends to be a straight woman online.
This is funny. My sister once had a co-worker call her a "feminazi" and she told him, "You should talk to my brother, he is more of a feminist than I am."
You should also know that I'm not attracted to men at all, sorry. So I can't be a gay man, who pretends to be a straight woman online. In that site that you link to, I openly say I'm transgendered so how could I be pretending to be a straight woman.
>possess the innate (also innane sometimes) desire >to carefully take in every word communicated to >them and analyze it to death.
So, a genetic female who doesn't over analyze words, like my mother or sister, is not a woman? That's like saying that women who don't watch soap operas aren't women, or that women shouldn't be in IT because they aren't good at math.
Funny thing is, my mother, sister and counselor have all said I over analyze what people say to me.
However, I don't recall ever claiming to be a "woman" whatever that is, but I do claim to be transgendered.
I have seen Madison's picture before today, I will not say where. I did not realize that she is transgendered and I know what to look for being transgendered myself.
And what makes a woman, a woman?. There are infertile women, intersexed women who are actually genetically male, etc. What defines a woman is what is in her head and heart, not what is (or was) in her body or between her legs.
Lynn Conway's site is a good starter point for more information about these issues.
http://www.lynnconway.com
Might as well post my own site:
http://home.mchsi.com/~VeronicaMoonlit/
Oh Madison is transgendered? Is that what you're trying to say? Doesn't make her any less of a woman.
Can't dig a tater hole in IT without finding transgendered folk. Can't visit transgendered IRC channels without the discussion turning to computers/Linux/Uniz etc every once in a while.
That computer you're posting on would not exist without the efforts of this woman http://www.lynnconway.com
Go visit the site and learn something.
And yes, I'm transgendered too, though I'm not a professional IT/programmer/tech type person.
Futaba-kun Change, right? And of course, Otakuworld itself has a couple of TG folk among it's founders. Scratch a 20 or 30 something TG computer geek, find an otaku.
It's also funny to visit a TG oriented irc channel and realize that almost all of the people in there are running Linux. It gets even better when the topic turns to tech topics like C, Apache, etc.
I once joked in such a room that one would be easily able to recruit the employees of an entire computer company just by visiting the tg IRC channels.
I haven't seen the movie but I saw the fictional town of Normal referred to as a small town. The real Normal is a good sized college town right next to another good sized college town. Total population of the two towns is over 100000.
As for the tractors, is nothing sacred anymore about tractor colors? There are orange ones, red ones and green ones and never shall they meet.:-)
I hope HBO releases the movie on DVD so I can see it. Being a tg person who lives in Central Illinois gives a special interest in it.
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>and those stereotypes exist for a reason.
Stereotypes are stereotypes, doesn't make them true. doesn't make them accurate. And it most certainly doesn't make them a "good thing"
>As a hetero male, I have spent 30 years studying
>females, and you, sir, are male. You may have
>hacked your wang off, but you are male.
In my 37 years I've studied the "female culture" probably more closely than you have. The fact that you claim women over analyze words based on a small statistcal sample, your wife?, does not make that statement applicable to a women. Which is what you did. Then you claimed that since you perceived I lacked that quality I wasn't a woman.
What makes you think I've "hacked of my crotch"? I haven't.
>Madison is a woman. It's in her nature.
>You can tell by the way she communicates.
How can you say this without more data, especially data involving real life conversation?
You have to remember, Madison is younger than I am, about 10 years I think. She started her transition, I haven't done that. She's taken hormones, I haven't. I've spent a longer time, having to live the male role.
When I was young, I got picked on for being a "sissy and crybaby", so I had to repress that part of me. Even today, I find myself holding back in conversations and emotional responses, and social interactions because of that. My instinct says to do/say one thing, but my head stops that because I'm afraid of other people. For example If I start "gushing" in a conversation, I pull it back, and then I get ashamed for pulling it back.
I've spent decades repressing every little thing that might get perceived as feminine and now you throw it in my face. Thank you oh so very much.
Your words hurt me more than those of that AC's No you didn't mean to do that. Here I am sitting at my computer and crying.over a Slashdot post.
My Question about what makes a woman a woman was rhetorical, it was designed to get you to think.That's what I was trying to do.
>I have little doubt that you are transgendered,
>but I also have little doubt that you have a
>man's brain. There's nothing wrong with that. You
>can't help the way you are. But, the way you
>communicate just screams "gay guy in drag".
You don't know this, but words similar to that paragraph are often used by T-folk to put other T-folk down. Basically trying to say that they are more "feminine" than others. It hurts.
I do have a question, why do you think I'm attracted to men? I'm not. I know it's a stereotype, "They do it so they can have sex with men and not feel guilt" But it isn't true.
>Madison communicates like a woman, despite her >being born with male body-parts and hormones. >Such is life, I guess. I wish you both the best >of luck
You don't know this either but self doubt is why so many T-folk delay their transitions. All those years of repression helps one doubt ones one thoughts and feelings. Let me tell you that isn't fun at all.
I know you didn't mean ill. Thanks for your well wishes.
could you remember this one thing. If you ever have a child that is transgendered or different, could you give them all the love you can and then some? They really need it.
Take care.
She may not look 100% feminine--look at her face (and prolly her crotch too, since she's pre-op, right?), but as you say, she is a woman in her head and her heart.
That's pretty much true.
>Veronica Moonlit is a misogynist gay man who >pretends to be a straight woman online.
This is funny. My sister once had a co-worker call her a "feminazi" and she told him, "You should talk to my brother, he is more of a feminist than I am."
You should also know that I'm not attracted to men at all, sorry. So I can't be a gay man, who pretends to be a straight woman online. In that site that you link to, I openly say I'm transgendered so how could I be pretending to be a straight woman.
Hope you're having fun, take care.
You are guilty of gender stereotypes:
>possess the innate (also innane sometimes) desire
>to carefully take in every word communicated to
>them and analyze it to death.
So, a genetic female who doesn't over analyze words, like my mother or sister, is not a woman? That's like saying that women who don't watch soap operas aren't women, or that women shouldn't be in IT because they aren't good at math.
Funny thing is, my mother, sister and counselor have all said I over analyze what people say to me.
However, I don't recall ever claiming to be a "woman" whatever that is, but I do claim to be transgendered.
I still suggest you visit:
http://www.lynnconway.com
It goes into great detail on TG/TS issues
I have seen Madison's picture before today, I will not say where. I did not realize that she is transgendered and I know what to look for being transgendered myself. And what makes a woman, a woman?. There are infertile women, intersexed women who are actually genetically male, etc. What defines a woman is what is in her head and heart, not what is (or was) in her body or between her legs. Lynn Conway's site is a good starter point for more information about these issues. http://www.lynnconway.com Might as well post my own site: http://home.mchsi.com/~VeronicaMoonlit/
I know it's a cliche, but I had to say it. Take care.
Oh Madison is transgendered? Is that what you're trying to say? Doesn't make her any less of a woman.
Can't dig a tater hole in IT without finding transgendered folk. Can't visit transgendered IRC channels without the discussion turning to computers/Linux/Uniz etc every once in a while.
That computer you're posting on would not exist without the efforts of this woman http://www.lynnconway.com
Go visit the site and learn something.
And yes, I'm transgendered too, though I'm not a professional IT/programmer/tech type person.
What is it about computing that seems to attract TG folk? It does seem similar to " gay florists" in a way. Do you have any opinions on the matter?
Futaba-kun Change, right? And of course, Otakuworld itself has a couple of TG folk among it's founders. Scratch a 20 or 30 something TG computer geek, find an otaku.
It's also funny to visit a TG oriented irc channel and realize that almost all of the people in there are running Linux. It gets even better when the topic turns to tech topics like C, Apache, etc.
I once joked in such a room that one would be easily able to recruit the employees of an entire computer company just by visiting the tg IRC channels.
I haven't seen the movie but I saw the fictional town of Normal referred to as a small town. The real Normal is a good sized college town right next to another good sized college town. Total population of the two towns is over 100000.
:-)
As for the tractors, is nothing sacred anymore about tractor colors? There are orange ones, red ones and green ones and never shall they meet.
I hope HBO releases the movie on DVD so I can see it. Being a tg person who lives in Central Illinois gives a special interest in it.
I believe you're referring to Lynn Conway. http://www.lynnconway.com