Good point. I am actually a former Marine but now living in South Australia. Met my ex-wife (australian) while serving back in 92.
I agree with you in that to many people only care about "Their" Freedom of speach tho Freedom of speech doesn't really extend to this type of discussion. But that isn't the point. The point is people don't like when other people have different views. People should be more tolerant of other peoples view and opinions. If you don't like what someone says.....Don't listen to them I say. Heck in a forum its easy just skip over their posts.
I'm very patriotic but I agree many American's need to pull their head out and find out the earth is round and there are other places. I love it when you chat to someone on-line in America and you say "Good Night" and they go "Hey, what are you talking about its only 10am!" and I have to tell them "Not where I am. Earth is round and no sun up in the sky where I am"
Actually I was in the Marine Corps from 88-94
I've been stationed a MCRD PI, MCCDC Quantico VA, MCLB Albany GA, and FMFPAC Camp Smith HI thank you very much.
If you want to get A.R. then yes I know orbiting satellite cause the simple little forumla I've thrown up...well simple and not exact but the point is you've got more chance of winning the lottery then you do by getting hit by a satellite while up in orbit if you where up there blind (ie you didn't know where they where).
Please think
yes there is a lot of junk up in orbit but it really doesn't effect us launching to much.
The actual odds of us hitting anything up there is remote....do the math. Take the
(average size satilite * number of satilites) / Area of the orbit shells
Then tell me its a worry given that we probably know all the locations of man made satelites on top of that.
Pushing it up to a higher orbit for now is fine.
I bet within 100 years they'll be running boosters to throw these types of objects out of orbit to crash into the sun.
I can see the people complaining now "You can't throw that into the sun! You'll make the sun radioactive!"
If a drop of coolent impacting another satelite is a danger then god help all the other satelites that have to deal with the naturally occuring objects out there that aren't falling the same speed as the coolent drop but are actually go many times faster.
If it comes down in 1 clump. If it burns up in the atmosphere then you won't even notice it when it get dispursed amoungst the tons of natural radioactive dust particles that bombard our planet constantly.
Sheessh
Ok lets put the whole thing into perspective.
Foreign bodies with more radioactive material bombard Europa since its creation then anything we can throw at it. Look at this as dropping a Ebola virus into the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Now are you going to not go swimming in Cape Code because of that? That is the magnatude we are talking here.
We can say a lot more then you think. We know the makeup of much of Europa. We know physics and chemestry and know reaction.....blah blah blah.
Unless you know something we don't such as Europa is enveloped in a quatum field that causes its laws of physics to be different to ours an that there 1 + 1 = 384 your arguement is like saying because I step on an ant outside I'm going to cause our society into a downward spiral because it was about to carry off a pease of bread that a new strain of mold would have formed on because the whole in the ozone above australia let through some cosmic radiation and altered its genetic structure to be 100% leathal to all human life on earth thus I'm responsible for destroying human kind on earth by stepping on that ant.
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We are talking about wiping our only companion in the universe, if there is one.
No you are talking about that. We are talking about finding out about them with minimal risk to a small part of the population. If we followed your logic we should never leave our houses for fear of stepping on an ant.
And the probability that Terran life has already made it there? The probability of a probe completely unbalancing and exsisting life there had a better chance of happening when peaces of the earth where thrown out into the solar system from large collisions.
The point is risk. If we ever want to explore then we'll end up contaminating the biosphere. If you are really worried about this then we should stop everything we do. No more reproduction and exploration because there are surely pristine areas still on earth we've yet to contaminate.
Honestly as long as precautions are taken we shouldn't look at this that way else we need to stop all exploration anywhere.
Nobody seriously believes there is life on mars, or europa for that matter (Arthur C Clarke not withstanding)... it's all politics.
Why do you say that? And for your informations they are looking for signs past life on Mars.
I believe there is possible life within our solar system. Thing is we might miss it completely because we are looking for life as we know it. Carbon based cellular reproductive life.
Anycase if we always said "That money could be better spent elsewhere" then all cultures would have no art, we would still be in the dark ages in many sciences.
You never know what may come of this. Lots of money has been invested in computers this has an indirect result of benifiting human kind in multiple ways like the genome projects. You never know. If we find life on other planets we can better understand the origins of life and that will in turn help us cure illnesses here on earth. Unless you are a biblical creationist then the concept of finding other life is very benificial and if you are a creationist it just shatters your whole world.
Have you ever seen a harrier dog fight?
You know that little move Tom Cruise does in Tom gun where he "Puts the breaks on" and the mig flies right on by? Think of that but a Harrier can stand still and track a plane. That and they are super sonic too.
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Good point. I am actually a former Marine but now living in South Australia. Met my ex-wife (australian) while serving back in 92. I agree with you in that to many people only care about "Their" Freedom of speach tho Freedom of speech doesn't really extend to this type of discussion. But that isn't the point. The point is people don't like when other people have different views. People should be more tolerant of other peoples view and opinions. If you don't like what someone says.....Don't listen to them I say. Heck in a forum its easy just skip over their posts. I'm very patriotic but I agree many American's need to pull their head out and find out the earth is round and there are other places. I love it when you chat to someone on-line in America and you say "Good Night" and they go "Hey, what are you talking about its only 10am!" and I have to tell them "Not where I am. Earth is round and no sun up in the sky where I am"
Actually I was in the Marine Corps from 88-94 I've been stationed a MCRD PI, MCCDC Quantico VA, MCLB Albany GA, and FMFPAC Camp Smith HI thank you very much.
...well simple and not exact but the point is you've got more chance of winning the lottery then you do by getting hit by a satellite while up in orbit if you where up there blind (ie you didn't know where they where).
If you want to get A.R. then yes I know orbiting satellite cause the simple little forumla I've thrown up
Please think
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yes there is a lot of junk up in orbit but it really doesn't effect us launching to much.
The actual odds of us hitting anything up there is remote....do the math. Take the
(average size satilite * number of satilites) / Area of the orbit shells
Then tell me its a worry given that we probably know all the locations of man made satelites on top of that.
Pushing it up to a higher orbit for now is fine. I bet within 100 years they'll be running boosters to throw these types of objects out of orbit to crash into the sun.
I can see the people complaining now "You can't throw that into the sun! You'll make the sun radioactive!"
WHAT?!
If a drop of coolent impacting another satelite is a danger then god help all the other satelites that have to deal with the naturally occuring objects out there that aren't falling the same speed as the coolent drop but are actually go many times faster.If it comes down in 1 clump. If it burns up in the atmosphere then you won't even notice it when it get dispursed amoungst the tons of natural radioactive dust particles that bombard our planet constantly. Sheessh
Ok lets put the whole thing into perspective. Foreign bodies with more radioactive material bombard Europa since its creation then anything we can throw at it. Look at this as dropping a Ebola virus into the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Now are you going to not go swimming in Cape Code because of that? That is the magnatude we are talking here. We can say a lot more then you think. We know the makeup of much of Europa. We know physics and chemestry and know reaction.....blah blah blah. Unless you know something we don't such as Europa is enveloped in a quatum field that causes its laws of physics to be different to ours an that there 1 + 1 = 384 your arguement is like saying because I step on an ant outside I'm going to cause our society into a downward spiral because it was about to carry off a pease of bread that a new strain of mold would have formed on because the whole in the ozone above australia let through some cosmic radiation and altered its genetic structure to be 100% leathal to all human life on earth thus I'm responsible for destroying human kind on earth by stepping on that ant.
And the probability that Terran life has already made it there? The probability of a probe completely unbalancing and exsisting life there had a better chance of happening when peaces of the earth where thrown out into the solar system from large collisions. The point is risk. If we ever want to explore then we'll end up contaminating the biosphere. If you are really worried about this then we should stop everything we do. No more reproduction and exploration because there are surely pristine areas still on earth we've yet to contaminate. Honestly as long as precautions are taken we shouldn't look at this that way else we need to stop all exploration anywhere.
Have you ever seen a harrier dog fight? You know that little move Tom Cruise does in Tom gun where he "Puts the breaks on" and the mig flies right on by? Think of that but a Harrier can stand still and track a plane. That and they are super sonic too.
It isn't better tasting because they are not responsible for the content of the said SPAM. The ToS also is pretty open ended allowing them to do anything they want without any guarentees to the customer. Geee 10 buck to have them spam me directly.