With the report last week of Linux being the most-breached operating system, I find this new vulnerability highly amusing.
I know I'll get modded down for this, but I want to say it anyway. People overbash Windows and underbash Linux. There is a double standard, where the "latest Microsoft hole" is this big deal, a statement of how Windows shouldn't be used by anyone, of how evil and terrible and inadequate Microsoft is. Any sort of Linux hole is just a patch to be swept under the rug and forgotten.
This is what mystifies me. Software, including anything that can be encoded such as music or movies, is absolutely made for the Internet and p2p. The cost of distribution is zero. The marginal cost per unit is zero.
And how do you charge for it? If they offer a service, do you think Kazaa and all the others will magically disappear or something?
All these stupid corporations need to do is work out that they're sitting on a gold mine and increase their profits exponentially. They ought to figure out that 1000 times the sales at one tenth of the price is still 100 times the revenue, or something in that order.
When p2p networks are available that are not policed and have no checks in place, they get nothing in return for your acquirement of their copyrighted tunes. It's really simple.
That's what I said: eye candy. Well, this is coming to Linux as well, though in my view it really is icing on the cake, and nothing more.
Vector-scaled graphics are not eye candy. It allows resolution-independent displays where everything is the same size regardless.
So I guess the Longhorn version of MS Office will run on Linux (+mono) after all!
Doubtful.
Apart from hot-swapping RAM (and this one I'll believe when I see it)
Windows Server 2003 already allows you to add RAM without rebooting. Longhorn will allow both adding and removing.
these are not revolutionary changes. If there is a demand for them, you'll see them in Linux before Longhorn comes out.
I'm sure there will be demand for them once Longhorn comes out.
I'm sorry, but I don't consider Paul Thurrott to be a reliable source of information.
Why wouldn't you consider him a reliable source of Windows information? Considering he has actual sources inside Microsoft and all. Most of his Longhorn information is from the WinHEC, complete with screenshots. You're just being difficult to be difficult.
Working in the software industry, I've long since learned to be careful of hype-spouting, FUD-spreading "advocates" such as he.
Oh, please. I don't care about your "working in the software industry." The guy has his information from sources inside Microsoft. He's a well-known Windows guy, announcing betas and codenames before anyone else knows them.
The usual X11 myth, in other words.
It's not a myth. There are tons of windowing libraries and interface inconsistencies, all running into each other. This has already been admitted by many people before me.
But in fact, even though some people experience performance issues with X11, the fact is that it's not a broken model, but rather one that is both solid and evolutive - especially since it's not tied to the Window Manager/Desktop Environment.
In other words, performance is broken, but it works, so keep it!
"Evolutive"...?
Oh, and nobody really cares about "inconsistent interfaces":
Yes, they do.
Heck, read up on GNOME's infamous save dialog sometime. Or Xine's open button ("://").
I mean, Windows has had them for years, and no one has been complaining!
Windows apps look the same, with standardized interfaces. It's a gamble when you use Linux desktop apps. One might use Motif, another GTK2, another QT1, and so forth. Again, you're being purposely disagreeable because you don't want to cede a point.
The fact is that it's relatively easy to theme apps so that their widget sets and icons all have the same appearance.
What does that have to do with poorly-designed, conflicting interfaces? XP can skin its widgets too.
In other words, it's a false problem, repeated ad nauseam by those who feel threatened by Linux's slow but irreversible march on the desktop.
Someone who dismisses criticism so easily is a perfect example of exactly why Linux's march on the desktop is very, very slow and only occuring within Linux advocate circles. It will never become mainstream at its current position. The Linux desktop needs a radical changeover, because KDE and GNOME aren't gonna cut it. But I guess having tons of apps starting with "G" or "K" is good enough to pass your desktop standards test.
Yes, that was reactive, but you should expect this when you troll with your sig. I saw BS, I called it, you didn't bother to try defending it. That's really all there is to say about it...
I don't need to defend it. Numbers speak for themselves. How am I trolling by merely linking to an article that states the same thing? If I were really trolling, you'd know it clearly.
Nice. For some bizarre reason, someone modded my post as a "Troll."
Incredible features? What, you mean like wiggly windows?
I mean vector-scaled, hardware-accelerated graphics. An abandonment of Win32 for.NET. A restructuring of the concept of files, getting rid of "drive letters" and such. Everything from the ability to add and remove RAM without rebooting, to XML scripted modular custom installations. Go to WinSuperSite and read the Road To Longhorn Part 2 for a full list of all the features, to many to list.
So far, Longhorn seems to be additional eye candy+a database-like filesystem.
Well, then you clearly haven't even bothered reading up on it.
Now, Longhorn will maybe come out in 2005, maybe 2006. By then we'll have a db filesystem for Linux and Linux desktop will be able to match Windows (and OS X) eye candy...
I doubt it. Not as long as we're stuck on X11 + xlib + window manager + desktop environment + conflicting windowing libraries and inconstent interfaces.
Well, wait until Longhorn comes out, which will be using.NET for its interface, and Win32 will be replaced by it. Longhorn will be the big.NET push. The whole Windows system will be based on it (and by then people will be clamoring for a Windows upgrade, not to mention all the incredible features Longhorn is already boasting, so I imagine it will be a big seller).
It's a slow Sunday. There needed to be something involving "patents" or "Microsft," and luckily this had both. I doubt the editor even read the thing all the way through.
The RIAA is attempting to prevent P2P from becoming a conduit for artists reaching the general public without going through them. That is to say, they are attempting to restrain trade.
That's exactly what they're doing. Attempting restrict illegal trade of their copyrighted materials, which as we all know yet seem to be afraid to admit, is the 99% motivating factor behind usage of programs like Kazaa and WinMX.
Please, if some little band wants to be distributing their tunes, you know they'll be doing it via their website because it's easier, quicker, and more convenient. P2P is designed for looking up people's file collections to grab it. What do you think people use that for?
But, of course, it always has to be some revolutionary movement against the evil RIAA around here. Nobody wants to admit piracy is wrong. They want it to be some sort of "culture movement" that the RIAA "hates."
That is only part of the story. The musicians have little choice about it
Oh, please. Nobody is holding them at gunpoint to sign one of those gouging contracts. Just go and find a label that doesn't screw you. Artists have done it. Read up on how Beck had tons of offers, but chose the least-paying contract that happened to offer the most creative freedom and ownership.
seeing as the big labels have a practical monopoly on distributing music - hell, they own most of the small labels too...
Boo-hoo. So find one they don't own, start your own, or distribute on the net.
And we can take it back. And we are taking it back.
Illegally. Nice moral stand there.
Way too many people playing "victim" around here for me to take them seriously. A bunch of you are obsessed with the idea that the RIAA hates p2p because it threatens their distribution model. Meanwhile, you're downloading copyrighted music. Could, perhaps, the fact that entire free albums are available online even before street release dates be a motivating factor?
As a matter of fact, according to interviews, Valve only started actual game content creation September of last year. Everything before has been engine work (and I hear the engine is highly flexible, running on a wide range of low-end to high-end video cards).
Slashdotters also talk about facts, logic, and reason. There is no proof of any particular god, or even the idea of a "god" itself. Meanwhile, this is an article about something completely unrelated, and someone says some supernatural being wants a relationship with me. Forgive me for being, well, creeped out!
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Microsoft has never claimed that Outlook Express is inseperable from anything. It's just a stripped down Outlook.
"Extort?"
Explain exactly how it is extortion whatsoever.
No, it would still be an ssh vulnerability.
Remember, we're supposed to seperate the OS and the apps that have the holes...remember?
Or are we still using the term "Windows hole" when referring to Outlook?
This is different from the MS attitude of "sweep it into the next service pack and noone will know".
Name a single example.
Heck, Blaster was patched months before.
With the report last week of Linux being the most-breached operating system, I find this new vulnerability highly amusing.
I know I'll get modded down for this, but I want to say it anyway. People overbash Windows and underbash Linux. There is a double standard, where the "latest Microsoft hole" is this big deal, a statement of how Windows shouldn't be used by anyone, of how evil and terrible and inadequate Microsoft is. Any sort of Linux hole is just a patch to be swept under the rug and forgotten.
Follow my sig and you'll be alerted to all the holes and vulnerabilities in Linux and its apps.
It's not "GNU/Linux." It's just Linux they want licensing fees for.
This is what mystifies me. Software, including anything that can be encoded such as music or movies, is absolutely made for the Internet and p2p. The cost of distribution is zero. The marginal cost per unit is zero.
And how do you charge for it? If they offer a service, do you think Kazaa and all the others will magically disappear or something?
All these stupid corporations need to do is work out that they're sitting on a gold mine and increase their profits exponentially. They ought to figure out that 1000 times the sales at one tenth of the price is still 100 times the revenue, or something in that order.
When p2p networks are available that are not policed and have no checks in place, they get nothing in return for your acquirement of their copyrighted tunes. It's really simple.
That's what I said: eye candy. Well, this is coming to Linux as well, though in my view it really is icing on the cake, and nothing more.
Vector-scaled graphics are not eye candy. It allows resolution-independent displays where everything is the same size regardless.
So I guess the Longhorn version of MS Office will run on Linux (+mono) after all!
Doubtful.
Apart from hot-swapping RAM (and this one I'll believe when I see it)
Windows Server 2003 already allows you to add RAM without rebooting. Longhorn will allow both adding and removing.
these are not revolutionary changes. If there is a demand for them, you'll see them in Linux before Longhorn comes out.
I'm sure there will be demand for them once Longhorn comes out.
I'm sorry, but I don't consider Paul Thurrott to be a reliable source of information.
Why wouldn't you consider him a reliable source of Windows information? Considering he has actual sources inside Microsoft and all. Most of his Longhorn information is from the WinHEC, complete with screenshots. You're just being difficult to be difficult.
Working in the software industry, I've long since learned to be careful of hype-spouting, FUD-spreading "advocates" such as he.
Oh, please. I don't care about your "working in the software industry." The guy has his information from sources inside Microsoft. He's a well-known Windows guy, announcing betas and codenames before anyone else knows them.
The usual X11 myth, in other words.
It's not a myth. There are tons of windowing libraries and interface inconsistencies, all running into each other. This has already been admitted by many people before me.
But in fact, even though some people experience performance issues with X11, the fact is that it's not a broken model, but rather one that is both solid and evolutive - especially since it's not tied to the Window Manager/Desktop Environment.
In other words, performance is broken, but it works, so keep it!
"Evolutive"...?
Oh, and nobody really cares about "inconsistent interfaces":
Yes, they do.
Heck, read up on GNOME's infamous save dialog sometime. Or Xine's open button ("://").
I mean, Windows has had them for years, and no one has been complaining!
Windows apps look the same, with standardized interfaces. It's a gamble when you use Linux desktop apps. One might use Motif, another GTK2, another QT1, and so forth. Again, you're being purposely disagreeable because you don't want to cede a point.
The fact is that it's relatively easy to theme apps so that their widget sets and icons all have the same appearance.
What does that have to do with poorly-designed, conflicting interfaces? XP can skin its widgets too.
In other words, it's a false problem, repeated ad nauseam by those who feel threatened by Linux's slow but irreversible march on the desktop.
Someone who dismisses criticism so easily is a perfect example of exactly why Linux's march on the desktop is very, very slow and only occuring within Linux advocate circles. It will never become mainstream at its current position. The Linux desktop needs a radical changeover, because KDE and GNOME aren't gonna cut it. But I guess having tons of apps starting with "G" or "K" is good enough to pass your desktop standards test.
Yes, that was reactive, but you should expect this when you troll with your sig. I saw BS, I called it, you didn't bother to try defending it. That's really all there is to say about it...
I don't need to defend it. Numbers speak for themselves. How am I trolling by merely linking to an article that states the same thing? If I were really trolling, you'd know it clearly.
Then stick with Python native. Part of the point of .NET is that it is managed code. It has all the same advantages that a Java VM has in that regard.
Nice. For some bizarre reason, someone modded my post as a "Troll."
.NET. A restructuring of the concept of files, getting rid of "drive letters" and such. Everything from the ability to add and remove RAM without rebooting, to XML scripted modular custom installations. Go to WinSuperSite and read the Road To Longhorn Part 2 for a full list of all the features, to many to list.
Incredible features? What, you mean like wiggly windows?
I mean vector-scaled, hardware-accelerated graphics. An abandonment of Win32 for
So far, Longhorn seems to be additional eye candy+a database-like filesystem.
Well, then you clearly haven't even bothered reading up on it.
Now, Longhorn will maybe come out in 2005, maybe 2006. By then we'll have a db filesystem for Linux and Linux desktop will be able to match Windows (and OS X) eye candy...
I doubt it. Not as long as we're stuck on X11 + xlib + window manager + desktop environment + conflicting windowing libraries and inconstent interfaces.
* snip three reactive paragraphs about my sig *
Well, wait until Longhorn comes out, which will be using .NET for its interface, and Win32 will be replaced by it. Longhorn will be the big .NET push. The whole Windows system will be based on it (and by then people will be clamoring for a Windows upgrade, not to mention all the incredible features Longhorn is already boasting, so I imagine it will be a big seller).
P.S. .NET can't be compared to other languages anyway because you can use any language in it. That's one of .NET's features.
Is it faster? No
.NET.
Yes. It is.
Is Development Faster ? No
Compare the amount of lines in a Java program to the same program done in
Is it cross platform ? No
Um, hello? Mono?
Does it do things that other languages cannot? No
All languages do things their other languages cannot. It's called the difference between those languages.
Your post is just FUD from the looks of it.
It's a slow Sunday. There needed to be something involving "patents" or "Microsft," and luckily this had both. I doubt the editor even read the thing all the way through.
Because, after all, Microsoft is the only group to take ideas.
I'm going to go use my Windows-like Linux desktops now, complete with start menus and taskbars.
"Good ideas" are subjective. The point is to be coming up with your own ideas, or interpreting others in your own words.
The RIAA is attempting to prevent P2P from becoming a conduit for artists reaching the general public without going through them. That is to say, they are attempting to restrain trade.
That's exactly what they're doing. Attempting restrict illegal trade of their copyrighted materials, which as we all know yet seem to be afraid to admit, is the 99% motivating factor behind usage of programs like Kazaa and WinMX.
Please, if some little band wants to be distributing their tunes, you know they'll be doing it via their website because it's easier, quicker, and more convenient. P2P is designed for looking up people's file collections to grab it. What do you think people use that for?
But, of course, it always has to be some revolutionary movement against the evil RIAA around here. Nobody wants to admit piracy is wrong. They want it to be some sort of "culture movement" that the RIAA "hates."
That is only part of the story. The musicians have little choice about it
Oh, please. Nobody is holding them at gunpoint to sign one of those gouging contracts. Just go and find a label that doesn't screw you. Artists have done it. Read up on how Beck had tons of offers, but chose the least-paying contract that happened to offer the most creative freedom and ownership.
seeing as the big labels have a practical monopoly on distributing music - hell, they own most of the small labels too...
Boo-hoo. So find one they don't own, start your own, or distribute on the net.
And we can take it back. And we are taking it back.
Illegally. Nice moral stand there.
Way too many people playing "victim" around here for me to take them seriously. A bunch of you are obsessed with the idea that the RIAA hates p2p because it threatens their distribution model. Meanwhile, you're downloading copyrighted music. Could, perhaps, the fact that entire free albums are available online even before street release dates be a motivating factor?
ATI making deals with Valve to get HL2 to work better on the ATI cards by design is just the most recent example
Where does it say this is what happened?
If ATI wants to sell me a card, they're going to need to beef up their Linux driver support big time.
So download the latest drivers they just released and prepare to be pleased.
As a matter of fact, according to interviews, Valve only started actual game content creation September of last year. Everything before has been engine work (and I hear the engine is highly flexible, running on a wide range of low-end to high-end video cards).
Slashdotters also talk about facts, logic, and reason. There is no proof of any particular god, or even the idea of a "god" itself. Meanwhile, this is an article about something completely unrelated, and someone says some supernatural being wants a relationship with me. Forgive me for being, well, creeped out!
PS - God loves you and longs for relationship with you. If you have questions about this, please email me at tom_cooper@bigfoot.com
Prove it.
Here's a hint.
Whenever you order a hot cup of coffee, DON'T HOLD IT WITH YOUR KNEES IN A CAR.
Taken in another context, it's a bit like saying
"I don't like [insert racial epithet here], so I don't care that the government violates their civil rights"
No, it's not. Not at all.