the OpenBSD project is much more organized than the Linux project. Because of this, its less feasible for such a thing. Also, if that happened, linux wouldnt add new features quite so often.
Better yet, Slashdot should offer a mirror of sites that exist on less potent servers at least for the first day the article is up, not just out of fairness to the site owners, but because I HATE trying to go somewhere just to find it's/.ed.
Hey, maybe the mirrors could go on Geocities, just for the sake of trying to bring them to their knees. . .
Re:Na, means he's an idiot. The moderators too.
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Since when does lots of info mean rambling? At least he isn't throwing Linux FUD (Which I wish were an oxymoron.)
NetBSD does support more hardware, at least officially. check here
Yes, people can come up with a lot of lists of ports to linux that do exist - I know about the N64 and various voice-mail computers - but when it comes to officially supported platforms, the list doesnt seem to go very far past Brian Knotts's list. I'm sure if OpenBSD had as many hard-core users as Linux, it would have more fringe ports, too.
One more thing about FreeBSD
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though I have not used NetBSD or OpenBSD, I have used both FreeBSD and Linux, and one thing I have definitely noticed is that in low-RAM situations, FreeBSD seems to run decidedly more smoothly.
My machine is a Pentium 133 w/16 megs of RAM, so if I am running Netscape Communicator, i have about 22 megs of stuff in the swap partition. Any Window Managers other than FVWM are out of the question, and despite that, Communicator still dies fairly often.
FreeBSD, though, will let me use Communicator with KDE, and on top that, I have never had Navigator die on me.
How this info matters to a more powerful machine is beyond me, but what it means to me is that I see no good reason to be using anything other than FreeBSD - I use only x86 computers, so there's no compatibility gap there which would justify another unix, and security is not a big issue for me since I am just running a desktop which I doubt anybody would put much effort into cracking, anyway.
Personally, I want to see this company get rich just so I can laugh at how many dumb people there are who would actually WANT some real estate on Venus or, say, a gas planet like Neptune.
Of course, they never did this with the group of kids who cause the biggest problem in schools: perfectly well adjusted boys and girls who mercilessly harass other students, or minorly troubled students who beat up other students.
really, people, the solution is to teach kids to play nice, not to alienate them.
Who knows what effect growing up in a police state will have on America's future?
well i was logged in when i sent "why not?" but it still registered me as an AC. anyway, my nick is Bastian for all those who would be annoyed by AC status.
so what next? Mice sense motion through balls, they can "see" in the case of optical mice, now they can tell when you touch them. comptuers can take voice commands, so you can possibly use sound instead of a mouse
that's where people'd go. Linux is so successful because it filled a niche and because with its opensource model, more people than just Linus worked on it. If it became a non-opensourced OS, it would have had one hell of an uphill battle - a non-commerically-developed closed-source unix (developed by one college student, no less!) competing against all the commerical unixes?
Even if it were made by a business, why would people who could afford a commerical unix that isn't quite a true unix in the purist sense of the world switch over when they already have perfectly good versions and could switch to other commerical ones with a smaller learning curve?
cDc responded to the allegations that BO(2K) is destructive rather than an admin tool because it has a stealth mode with a challenge to Microsoft to recall all its copies of SMS because of its stealth mode.
I do hope that happens since some of my friends who are plugged into the network of a different college fell victim to their networkadmin's questionable usage of "admin software."
>For Windows NT there is remote process control, but I don't know if there's an implementation on Linux.. Must check into it. Then you could, at least partially, kill NT processes remotely.. if BO2K doesnt already do that, someone's probably working on a plugin for it.
A group of networked computers, a few users logged into each computer. The computers are personified as forts or bases or something on a map.
The goal? Kill others' processes while defending your own. Lots of room for strategy by starting huge ones that whomp on intruding sysadmins, or surgically zapping shells to get rid of users. Each team can have a set number of weapons, which some mastermind distributes among his teammates.
The internet is scuffing things up a bit, and bothering big corporations, and making things just a little bit easier for those of us who dont have seven digit salaries. Because of this, I have two, and only two opinions on this subject. First, I think the phone companies are whiners. I dont know the actual finances, but I'm damn sure that they can cough up the cash to pay for a higher capacity of calls and not have much of a prolem at all. It reminds me of companies who lay off 50,000 workers to "maintain profits" in a fiscal year where the company makes 2 billion, or when America started worrying a year or so ago when the markets in Asia started falling out, and it started dragging our market, too. The economy didn't stop growing, it just quit growing as fast - things weren't getting worse. What these companies arent worried about when they realize that they may have to spend a little extra to keep up their current usage level is keeping up with the pack or even staying ahead - they just want to keep getting further ahead. I think America Online showed perfectly well that it's possible to up capacity without raising prices considering how they survived the fiasco that occurred when they switched to unlimited use. Of course, if AOL had an FCC to whine to, they probably would have done it, too. The second reason why this scares me: Despite all the hype about the Internet bringing the world together, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Part of that is because nowadays everything is so electronic that god forbid your company should have a cash register with buttons instead of a touchscreen. If a tax like this goes through, fewer people will be able to make use of what technology is available to them, and an even larger chunk of the world will just fall further and further behind. Sometimes the advantages are subtle. Your kids will do better in school because they can study for the SAT online, giving them an unfair advantage over poor little Theresa and Jimmy who don't get an internet connection in their home. Too bad Theresa and Jimmy can't write their papers as well, either, since they dont get the joy of a homework helper service like AOL's. Their parents have a slightly smaller budget because they end up paying a higher telephone bill - without the daily or weekly emails to their families and chats with their parents on ICQ, their urge to call long-distance is just a little bit greater. As for me, I can cough up the extra cash to pay for my net time just fine - if the FCC passes this net tax, I'll be fine in my white middle class suburban comfort zone. Im not that bothered by any personal losses. What I see in this that pisses me off is yet another case of well-plumpened CEOs and stockholders sucking the blood of those less gargantuan than them, and I see my government encouraging this. by the people for the people? ha.
I agree. Hacking is boring. Text consoles are not interesting unless they have 46pt animated fonts being sent realtime over a 1/2 baud modem a la Hackers. A file not being there is just not as interesting as Cookie Monster running across your screen eating windows, and a windowing system that looks more like a game of Quake than anything else is more interesting than text and/or boxes on a screen. If you dont have any idea what "mov ax 6" means, you just arent going to relate to a realistic potrayal of down and ditrty computer usage. Some movies do make a realistic potrayal of it, though. Sneakers was one that I respected for that - sure, it involved a microchip that could do things that I doubt would ever happen, and the guys in the movie got it plugged into their computer and working with a lot less trouble than it would take in real life, but the actual scenes of them hacking were a lot better than the way they were in real life. (I also loved the braille output system they had in it. Too bad that'll not work with most modern OSes any time soon.) And even though it did show hacking as a pile of text on a screen that was very mildly embellished when compared to Tron or The Net, the movie didn't have a hard time getting viewers involved. My mom even got caught up in it, and it took her weeks to figure out cut and pasting. But writing a movie that attracts mass audiences but lacks eye candy is hard, so I am going to say that it's possible, but not probable.
MS doesnt need to have the people who use linux because they dont like microsoft in order to kill linux. Nor do they need any of the existing linux users. (by killing linux I mean to neutralize it in their eyes. . . Java is still around but Microsoft can sit tight knowing that massive numbers of people use J++ every day) All MS needs to do is neutralize the linux FUD should the linux community become big enough that they see a use in capitalizing on it. All they have to do to do that is create software that is attractive to people who want everything people say is so great about linux and add a sugar coating on top.
It's too bad Sun seems to have given up on Unix in many respects. It seems Linux or FreeBSD (or better yet, both of them working together) is the way to go.
It would be nice if everyone working on Linux got together for a yearly conference or something, so that we could have what I percieve to be the biggest advantage micros~1 has over linux (a unified set of goals and tight cooperation between the various fragments of the community)
Hey! lets hook a uCSimm up to one of those suckers that play music inside your head when you bite them and make an audial-hallucination simulating turing machine!
It could also be possible that many companies place a lot of weight on the fact that many users of linux or whatever also use a MS OS, and they assume that because of this the number of lost users from not porting to linux is nowhere near the actual number of linux users.
I think its also true that businesses may be conscious of the strength of free domain software in the linux community. I know that even if a commerical paint program showed up for Linux, I'd still use the GIMP, and I have a feeling that with how loud some people get about free and open source software, businesses probably percieve a large risk in an entree into linux development.
For the world's sake, I hope things dont get any smaller. The cell phone I use is the one that you get for 1c when you sign up for service, but its smaller than any pager I've seen and nobody can tell what I'm saying when I use it because it can't reach my ear and my mouth at the same time.
though it would be nice for someone to invent something along the lines of a PCMCIA 3D card.
>>I can't believe you bitch at me for posting logged in when you post anon
>>I post under a handle, which btw I've been using for YEARS, so pricks like you and the other AC don't know who I am
Pardon me while I look up and down a couple times and blink at the person who yells at another person for remaining anonymous and then praises anonymity.
So far all one person has gained from logging in is providing a catalyst for another useless flame session.
Slashdot Mirror
yup.
the OpenBSD project is much more organized than the Linux project. Because of this, its less feasible for such a thing. Also, if that happened, linux wouldnt add new features quite so often.
Better yet, Slashdot should offer a mirror of sites that exist on less potent servers at least for the first day the article is up, not just out of fairness to the site owners, but because I HATE trying to go somewhere just to find it's /.ed.
Hey, maybe the mirrors could go on Geocities, just for the sake of trying to bring them to their knees. . .
Since when does lots of info mean rambling? At least he isn't throwing Linux FUD (Which I wish were an oxymoron.)
NetBSD does support more hardware, at least officially. check here
Yes, people can come up with a lot of lists of ports to linux that do exist - I know about the N64 and various voice-mail computers - but when it comes to officially supported platforms, the list doesnt seem to go very far past Brian Knotts's list. I'm sure if OpenBSD had as many hard-core users as Linux, it would have more fringe ports, too.
though I have not used NetBSD or OpenBSD, I have used both FreeBSD and Linux, and one thing I have definitely noticed is that in low-RAM situations, FreeBSD seems to run decidedly more smoothly.
My machine is a Pentium 133 w/16 megs of RAM, so if I am running Netscape Communicator, i have about 22 megs of stuff in the swap partition. Any Window Managers other than FVWM are out of the question, and despite that, Communicator still dies fairly often.
FreeBSD, though, will let me use Communicator with KDE, and on top that, I have never had Navigator die on me.
How this info matters to a more powerful machine is beyond me, but what it means to me is that I see no good reason to be using anything other than FreeBSD - I use only x86 computers, so there's no compatibility gap there which would justify another unix, and security is not a big issue for me since I am just running a desktop which I doubt anybody would put much effort into cracking, anyway.
or better yet, "f0bic, your seksi voice helped me through the night"
MS Moon could be dangerous! In about 5 years it would bloat to such considerable size that it would consume Terra!
except that the red spot is an atmosphereic anomaly and is always moving.
You'd be as well off trying to buy El Nino.
ahh but that law says no NATION.
20 minutes and its already slashdotted.
Personally, I want to see this company get rich just so I can laugh at how many dumb people there are who would actually WANT some real estate on Venus or, say, a gas planet like Neptune.
Of course, they never did this with the group of kids who cause the biggest problem in schools: perfectly well adjusted boys and girls who mercilessly harass other students, or minorly troubled students who beat up other students.
really, people, the solution is to teach kids to play nice, not to alienate them.
Who knows what effect growing up in a police state will have on America's future?
well i was logged in when i sent "why not?" but it still registered me as an AC. anyway, my nick is Bastian for all those who would be annoyed by AC status.
so what next? Mice sense motion through balls, they can "see" in the case of optical mice, now they can tell when you touch them.
comptuers can take voice commands, so you can possibly use sound instead of a mouse
now all we need is an SmelliMouse
freeBSD
openBSD
that's where people'd go. Linux is so successful because it filled a niche and because with its opensource model, more people than just Linus worked on it. If it became a non-opensourced OS, it would have had one hell of an uphill battle - a non-commerically-developed closed-source unix (developed by one college student, no less!) competing against all the commerical unixes?
Even if it were made by a business, why would people who could afford a commerical unix that isn't quite a true unix in the purist sense of the world switch over when they already have perfectly good versions and could switch to other commerical ones with a smaller learning curve?
cDc responded to the allegations that BO(2K) is destructive rather than an admin tool because it has a stealth mode with a challenge to Microsoft to recall all its copies of SMS because of its stealth mode.
I do hope that happens since some of my friends who are plugged into the network of a different college fell victim to their networkadmin's questionable usage of "admin software."
>For Windows NT there is remote process control, but I don't know if there's an implementation on Linux.. Must check into it. Then you could, at least partially, kill NT processes remotely.. if BO2K doesnt already do that, someone's probably working on a plugin for it.
A group of networked computers, a few users logged into each computer. The computers are personified as forts or bases or something on a map.
The goal? Kill others' processes while defending your own. Lots of room for strategy by starting huge ones that whomp on intruding sysadmins, or surgically zapping shells to get rid of users. Each team can have a set number of weapons, which some mastermind distributes among his teammates.
Who wins? the last team with a working computer.
The internet is scuffing things up a bit, and bothering big corporations, and making things just a little bit easier for those of us who dont have seven digit salaries. Because of this, I have two, and only two opinions on this subject. First, I think the phone companies are whiners. I dont know the actual finances, but I'm damn sure that they can cough up the cash to pay for a higher capacity of calls and not have much of a prolem at all. It reminds me of companies who lay off 50,000 workers to "maintain profits" in a fiscal year where the company makes 2 billion, or when America started worrying a year or so ago when the markets in Asia started falling out, and it started dragging our market, too. The economy didn't stop growing, it just quit growing as fast - things weren't getting worse. What these companies arent worried about when they realize that they may have to spend a little extra to keep up their current usage level is keeping up with the pack or even staying ahead - they just want to keep getting further ahead. I think America Online showed perfectly well that it's possible to up capacity without raising prices considering how they survived the fiasco that occurred when they switched to unlimited use. Of course, if AOL had an FCC to whine to, they probably would have done it, too. The second reason why this scares me: Despite all the hype about the Internet bringing the world together, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Part of that is because nowadays everything is so electronic that god forbid your company should have a cash register with buttons instead of a touchscreen. If a tax like this goes through, fewer people will be able to make use of what technology is available to them, and an even larger chunk of the world will just fall further and further behind. Sometimes the advantages are subtle. Your kids will do better in school because they can study for the SAT online, giving them an unfair advantage over poor little Theresa and Jimmy who don't get an internet connection in their home. Too bad Theresa and Jimmy can't write their papers as well, either, since they dont get the joy of a homework helper service like AOL's. Their parents have a slightly smaller budget because they end up paying a higher telephone bill - without the daily or weekly emails to their families and chats with their parents on ICQ, their urge to call long-distance is just a little bit greater. As for me, I can cough up the extra cash to pay for my net time just fine - if the FCC passes this net tax, I'll be fine in my white middle class suburban comfort zone. Im not that bothered by any personal losses. What I see in this that pisses me off is yet another case of well-plumpened CEOs and stockholders sucking the blood of those less gargantuan than them, and I see my government encouraging this. by the people for the people? ha.
I agree. Hacking is boring. Text consoles are not interesting unless they have 46pt animated fonts being sent realtime over a 1/2 baud modem a la Hackers. A file not being there is just not as interesting as Cookie Monster running across your screen eating windows, and a windowing system that looks more like a game of Quake than anything else is more interesting than text and/or boxes on a screen. If you dont have any idea what "mov ax 6" means, you just arent going to relate to a realistic potrayal of down and ditrty computer usage. Some movies do make a realistic potrayal of it, though. Sneakers was one that I respected for that - sure, it involved a microchip that could do things that I doubt would ever happen, and the guys in the movie got it plugged into their computer and working with a lot less trouble than it would take in real life, but the actual scenes of them hacking were a lot better than the way they were in real life. (I also loved the braille output system they had in it. Too bad that'll not work with most modern OSes any time soon.) And even though it did show hacking as a pile of text on a screen that was very mildly embellished when compared to Tron or The Net, the movie didn't have a hard time getting viewers involved. My mom even got caught up in it, and it took her weeks to figure out cut and pasting. But writing a movie that attracts mass audiences but lacks eye candy is hard, so I am going to say that it's possible, but not probable.
Hardly. If Microsoft tries to include even one major incompatability or serious bug, it will kill "L++"
the same way it killed MSIE and Microsoft's ripoff of javascript during the IE3.0 days?
MS doesnt need to have the people who use linux because they dont like microsoft in order to kill linux. Nor do they need any of the existing linux users. (by killing linux I mean to neutralize it in their eyes. . . Java is still around but Microsoft can sit tight knowing that massive numbers of people use J++ every day) All MS needs to do is neutralize the linux FUD should the linux community become big enough that they see a use in capitalizing on it. All they have to do to do that is create software that is attractive to people who want everything people say is so great about linux and add a sugar coating on top.
It's too bad Sun seems to have given up on Unix in many respects. It seems Linux or FreeBSD (or better yet, both of them working together) is the way to go.
It would be nice if everyone working on Linux got together for a yearly conference or something, so that we could have what I percieve to be the biggest advantage micros~1 has over linux (a unified set of goals and tight cooperation between the various fragments of the community)
Hey! lets hook a uCSimm up to one of those suckers that play music inside your head when you bite them and make an audial-hallucination simulating turing machine!
It could also be possible that many companies place a lot of weight on the fact that many users of linux or whatever also use a MS OS, and they assume that because of this the number of lost users from not porting to linux is nowhere near the actual number of linux users.
I think its also true that businesses may be conscious of the strength of free domain software in the linux community. I know that even if a commerical paint program showed up for Linux, I'd still use the GIMP, and I have a feeling that with how loud some people get about free and open source software, businesses probably percieve a large risk in an entree into linux development.
For the world's sake, I hope things dont get any smaller. The cell phone I use is the one that you get for 1c when you sign up for service, but its smaller than any pager I've seen and nobody can tell what I'm saying when I use it because it can't reach my ear and my mouth at the same time.
though it would be nice for someone to invent something along the lines of a PCMCIA 3D card.
>>I can't believe you bitch at me for posting logged in when you post anon
>>I post under a handle, which btw I've been using for YEARS, so pricks like you and the other AC don't know who I am
Pardon me while I look up and down a couple times and blink at the person who yells at another person for remaining anonymous and then praises anonymity.
So far all one person has gained from logging in is providing a catalyst for another useless flame session.