How about the fact that - awful though slavery certainly was - *I* had no part in it, never owned anyone nor was responsible in any way for it?
WHY should I apologize for something done over a hundred years ago? Because my skin tone is roughly the same tone as theirs? Whatever happened to being reponsible for what YOU did, not some distant, unknown, dead relative?
....his experiences are common to *most* products sold, regardless of underlying OS. The thing that is specific to Linux/geek is that we see no docs and poor installation setups as a fun challenge and brag about it when we conquer it.
Don't forget what PR-savvy jerks they are! We Slashdot them and they send out a PR blurb that says "We got 98 Jigga-hits on our license site indicating tremendous customer interest..blah, blah, blah, etc."
They're *shits* - they'll twist everything good in the world - even a Slashdoting!
Before you run off blaming the evil Marketing demons, let me ask you this.....what readily quantifiable measure would you use instead to compare systems for the broad range of users and applications - all other things being the same? (memory, disk, etc.)
Imperfect a measure that it may be, it's a hell of a lot easier to relate to and compare than "how many FPS of Quake3 can I get?" or "how quickly can it compile the 2.6 kernel?"
To my mind, there can't be any doubt about it being related to Red Hat. Consider:
While the average user may not have known about RH's dropping of mainstream Linux (the "hobbyist" version in RH Marketing slides), those closer to the major players have known for many months that this was coming.
SuSE, not being dummies, must have spotted the tremendous opportunity that this would give them in the North American Linux market.
All SuSE has to do is to keep a mainstream version alive to keep the market fed for their higher-end versions - as RH *had* been doing, and they have the ability to clean RH's clock for them.
In case you haven't guessed, I consider RH's move to drop their mainstream versions to be a crucial blunder. But, it's their company......
The reason that I said *overwhelmingly* and not *exclusively* is because they're different words with different meanings.
There may be the odd Tim McVeigh/Unabomber/etc., but there are not mobs of millions of white/right-wingers chanting "Kill the infidels!" and "Death to America" in downtown Sheboygan, buddy. Get some perspective.
Criminy! Since when is applying a little common sense an "equal rights" issue. If your eat-the-rich attitude makes you feel better, then welcome to it.
But let me tell you what a working stiff who *has* to fly has to put up with so that your ultra-egalitarian sensibilities won't get offended....
We have to endure humiliating body searches, hours-long lines, missed flights and general misery so that Muhammad Abdullah Ahmed, who just arrived on a flight from Amman, won't get *any* more scrutiny than myself or a little, old grandmom flying to visit her grandkids.
Hard is it may be to accept, but the reality is that - overwhelmingly - the greatest terror threat is from Arab muslims, closely followed by South Asian Muslims.
Common sense dictates that if you focus limited resources, you get more effective results. And *that* is supposed to be the goal - not to keep from hurting anyones witty-bitty feewings....
I think mainly Microsoft and Linux did them in more then incompetant management.
Then, you say:
Today they are going crazy trying to jump into anything to keep them afloat.
and
Sun has terrible ways to bring out R&D to the market
and
Sun could not come up with a cost effective solution or Management thought that expensive Unix servers with big profit margins is only the thing they should sell.
OK, so what defines incompetent management? If management can't do basic market research and bring new products and strategies to market to counter new competitive threats, then WTF are those mega-million $$ comp packages supposed to be buying?
"And it's a certain kind of fool that likes to hear the sound of his own name...." Eagles
Actually, this is the part that - here in the South - we call: "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die to get there."
They need to get a clue that there is no free ride - either develop your own, if you want to keep it secret, or adhere to the license terms. What's the confusion?
I can see it now.....
SCO Minister of Information
Mohammed Sa'id al-McBride
"Linus Torvalds is no more! He has flung himself to Death upon the Gates of Linden! All power to the Lawyers, Peace Be unto Them..."
As I see it, the issue isn't whether he devoted 5 years or 5 months or 5 hours. If you write code under the GPL, you know going into it what the terms are. If you happen to garner fame, fortune and super-models hanging on your arm, then great. But that was never promised.
FWIW, I write and release code under the GPL because I get a real sense of pleasure and satisfaction in knowing that something that I wrote is being used. It's not for the fame, etc. (Though any super-models are welcome to contact me...)
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How about the fact that - awful though slavery certainly was - *I* had no part in it, never owned anyone nor was responsible in any way for it? WHY should I apologize for something done over a hundred years ago? Because my skin tone is roughly the same tone as theirs? Whatever happened to being reponsible for what YOU did, not some distant, unknown, dead relative?
....his experiences are common to *most* products sold, regardless of underlying OS. The thing that is specific to Linux/geek is that we see no docs and poor installation setups as a fun challenge and brag about it when we conquer it.
Don't forget what PR-savvy jerks they are! We Slashdot them and they send out a PR blurb that says "We got 98 Jigga-hits on our license site indicating tremendous customer interest..blah, blah, blah, etc."
They're *shits* - they'll twist everything good in the world - even a Slashdoting!
Before you run off blaming the evil Marketing demons, let me ask you this.....what readily quantifiable measure would you use instead to compare systems for the broad range of users and applications - all other things being the same? (memory, disk, etc.)
Imperfect a measure that it may be, it's a hell of a lot easier to relate to and compare than "how many FPS of Quake3 can I get?" or "how quickly can it compile the 2.6 kernel?"
You want a marketing gimmick? How about selling a 64-bit CPU to people who have like 512M of memory. There's your gimmick.
Damn! Now where *did* I leave my mod points now that I *really* need them!
If you *really* want a chuckle, go to SCO's web site under "Jobs". The *only* software engineer job listed requires skills in .NET!!
How's that for understanding where their head is at?
Gerry
Nailer,
It's *not* strictly a $$ issue. Consider:
1) The license terms restrict the hardware that I can use with this version. Number of CPUs and memory limits.
2) Associated with 1) is the horrifically onerous audit terms that you must agree to. I would *never* sign such a license for a general OS.
Cheers!
To my mind, there can't be any doubt about it being related to Red Hat. Consider:
While the average user may not have known about RH's dropping of mainstream Linux (the "hobbyist" version in RH Marketing slides), those closer to the major players have known for many months that this was coming.
SuSE, not being dummies, must have spotted the tremendous opportunity that this would give them in the North American Linux market.
All SuSE has to do is to keep a mainstream version alive to keep the market fed for their higher-end versions - as RH *had* been doing, and they have the ability to clean RH's clock for them.
In case you haven't guessed, I consider RH's move to drop their mainstream versions to be a crucial blunder. But, it's their company......
The reason that I said *overwhelmingly* and not *exclusively* is because they're different words with different meanings.
There may be the odd Tim McVeigh/Unabomber/etc., but there are not mobs of millions of white/right-wingers chanting "Kill the infidels!" and "Death to America" in downtown Sheboygan, buddy. Get some perspective.
Criminy! Since when is applying a little common sense an "equal rights" issue. If your eat-the-rich attitude makes you feel better, then welcome to it.
But let me tell you what a working stiff who *has* to fly has to put up with so that your ultra-egalitarian sensibilities won't get offended....
We have to endure humiliating body searches, hours-long lines, missed flights and general misery so that Muhammad Abdullah Ahmed, who just arrived on a flight from Amman, won't get *any* more scrutiny than myself or a little, old grandmom flying to visit her grandkids.
Hard is it may be to accept, but the reality is that - overwhelmingly - the greatest terror threat is from Arab muslims, closely followed by South Asian Muslims.
Common sense dictates that if you focus limited resources, you get more effective results. And *that* is supposed to be the goal - not to keep from hurting anyones witty-bitty feewings....
Wait a minute! First, you say:
I think mainly Microsoft and Linux did them in more then incompetant management.
Then, you say:
Today they are going crazy trying to jump into anything to keep them afloat.
and
Sun has terrible ways to bring out R&D to the market
and
Sun could not come up with a cost effective solution or Management thought that expensive Unix servers with big profit margins is only the thing they should sell.
OK, so what defines incompetent management? If management can't do basic market research and bring new products and strategies to market to counter new competitive threats, then WTF are those mega-million $$ comp packages supposed to be buying?
"And it's a certain kind of fool that likes to hear the sound of his own name...."
Eagles
Actually, this is the part that - here in the South - we call: "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die to get there." They need to get a clue that there is no free ride - either develop your own, if you want to keep it secret, or adhere to the license terms. What's the confusion?
I can see it now..... SCO Minister of Information Mohammed Sa'id al-McBride "Linus Torvalds is no more! He has flung himself to Death upon the Gates of Linden! All power to the Lawyers, Peace Be unto Them..."
As I see it, the issue isn't whether he devoted 5 years or 5 months or 5 hours. If you write code under the GPL, you know going into it what the terms are. If you happen to garner fame, fortune and super-models hanging on your arm, then great. But that was never promised. FWIW, I write and release code under the GPL because I get a real sense of pleasure and satisfaction in knowing that something that I wrote is being used. It's not for the fame, etc. (Though any super-models are welcome to contact me...)
It's not zionists who strap bombs to kids and send them onto buses packed with other kids.