Let me guess, you also advocate eliminating manufacturing jobs "because human" and opening the borders to billions of foreigners "because human". Your heart bleeds for "humans" so much that the solution is to eliminate them and every trace of human civilization.
And this is why political discourse is fucked.
You are incapable of having anything approaching a rational discussion. What the GP says might challenge just one your ideas. Insted of thinking about and analysing what you believe, you instead brand him as the other tribe, invent an extreme viewpoint (because hey every member of the other tribe is an idior amirite?) and then mock that. And that keeps you nice and safe, you need never introspect.
And if product sales occur within your country, then that is also taxed.
which is why they book all the sales throug Ireland regardless of where the sale is made in some absolute sense.
But this new tax isn't about that. Instead it's about taxing the companies no matter where they are located.
Yep!
High tax countries are upset that large tech companies have avoided them
No, this is 100% false. The large tech companies are not avoiding the "high tax" countries at all. They're doing tons of business there and making use of all the benefits of being in a high tax country but are using accounting tricks to avoid taxes.
Literally no one is trying to tax companies that have avoided the country in question. But that's using the real definition of avoid as in "aviod" not the definition you use which seems to be exceptionally dependent on tax law and accouting intracies.
I think he's an imperialist, but doesn't realise that the imperial system is simply the matric system with a bunch of annoying conversion constants and weird conventions.
The 2 party system is broken, everyone realizes it, yet everyone says why vote for them, only the Democrat or Republican can win.
In the words of Douglas Adams:
"The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy." "I did," said Ford. "It is." "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?" "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
And that's exactly what happened at the last election. People tried not voting for a lizard and then the wrong lizard got in.
Why would I wish anything of the sort? I said "spoken like an armchair engineer", because you sound like one. If you're employed as an engineer, well, that's just sad.
You are the one saying anything about ignoring human factors.
Yep that's bcause you were ignoring them. That was literally my point, well done. Have a cookie.
If your bridges collapse and your houses burn down, having been polite will not keep you out of prison...
Given the bit you replied to, you are effectively that the way to stay out of prison is to be a big enough arsehole that you get fired so you have no responsibility.
In engineering if its bad you dont build it. If its good and youre an asshole about it to those who say yay or nay to funding or signing off, it still doesnt get built.
Absolutely 100% true. engineering is not an abstract art, it is all about the humans. That is after all the only reason things are built. And what's even worse if you're right but get fired for being a jerk and then the guy who's wrong gets to call the shots.
In engineering, being right is essential and trumps everything else
Spoken like an armchair engineer.
Woe betide the engineer who ignores human factors.
Being polite is professional but optional.
Generally no. If you get your ass fired for being an insufferable asshole, it doesn't matter how right you are because no one will hear your rightness. Like a poor engineer you ignored the human factors.
This seems extraordinarily unlikely to produce any surprises. Is there any theory or experiment in matter with an opposite electrical charge has anti-gravity? They're distinct fundamental forces.
The quantum mechanical model of antiparticles is that they are normal particles which are travelling back in time. It's a bit nonsensical from a non quantum mechanical persepective and it's not time travel as you might think of it. But if you time-reverse an electron and calculate how it behaves it behaves like that particle we can observe known as the positron.
It makes other things neat. For example accelerating electrons emit photons, or the emission of a photon causes the electron to accelerate. So far so good. If you take the time travel model then annihalation is an example of that. An electron and positron meet and get drstroyed emitting a photon. Or an electron amits a photon and changes direction in time rather than space and goes backwards as a positron. From a forward time point of view that looks like an electron and positron coming togther.
Pair production and annhilation just becomes a single electron whizzing round in circles in time.
IOW in the rather peculiar world of quantum mechanics a lot of observable things are modelled to within measurement error as time-reversed particles. Sure it's a mathematical abstraction but it works.
Quantum mechaices has no model of gravity. If an electron travelling forwards in time falls into a graviy well what do you think a time-reversed one might do? GR says it has mass so it's attracted and falls down. That seems to be the most popular view. But QM says it's time reversed so... what?
Considering all the race violence in america today, including the recent alt right murders. Do you think that you managed to make the 201Xs better than the 198Xs? This is not trolling, i trily wonder about it, because at times I feel like in the last 50 years, the west stopped progressing and is just slacking around.
That's a good question. To define "better" you have to essentially assign a scalar to a multidimensional space, in other words, you have to find which things are better and which are worse and assign some sort of weighting to them and add the result.
so in some sense whether it's better depends on how you value the various things that have changed.
It's also important to discount perception: the 24hr news cycle has made it feel like we're in a massice crime wave the likes of whic hhas never been seen before but on average it looks like crime and voilence has actually been decreasing slowly but steadily.
Speaking of perception, people generally are used to their current situation and adapt if things change slowly. The 80s seemed fine (though I was a kid). The 90s seemed fine (I was a teenager). So did the 2000 and th 2010s. But the world has changed a fair bit from them.
An interesting thing to do is to find some old TV series you liked that has more or less vanished (no real cult following, go for something big and popular at the time) from say the mid 90s or 80s and watch some of it on youtube. The popular stuff of no particular merit tends to very much reflct the zeitgeist. It can be surprising. One show I remember loving in the 90s turned out to be unwatchable. It had things like a recurring funny side character: the joke was he is gay. That was it. The sole joke abut him. Repeated again and again.
But yes things are not uniformly getting better. The worsening of the gini coefficients and destruction of the middle class and similar things is stacking up problems. I think that's orthogonal to the reactions against bigorty etc. I'd like to take the latter, not the former if I could.
Naturally and reasonably people who are feeling the pinch of the middle class being destroyed are going to think things were better back then. Problems arise because humans are great at spotting patterns. So some people lump a whole lot of these things together and want to regress everything back because the things feel related (like cargo cults).
Fun fact: in the early middle ages there was a reaction against buttons. Turns out that the tight fitting, form revealing clothes enabled by the invention of buttons came aronud at the same time as the black death. Many people believed that buttons via the more revealing clothes were the problem and cause.
Back in the 80's there was a, shit, not sure what, but you could run a doc through it and it sounded like a black guy wrote it. Funny as hell, controversial even at the time.
Contraversial as in it was obviously a bit racist but people felt awkward about pointing out blatant racism in the 80s. Well yes, the 80s were kinda racist and most people around then did indeed pick up racism from the general culture, and tha tincludes both you and me.
The difference between us is that I'm not under the impression that I'm unassailably perfect and that if someone points out that some category of behaviour is actually harmful then I realise maybe I shouldn't do that. I don't simply blame that person for being an "SJW".
Now the world has changed around you and people WILL make a fuss if you're blatantly racist. If this pisses you off, the fault is yours for refusing to ever examine yourself, not the fault of some evil nebulous "SJW".
Do you work for a company with more then 300 people, a Fortune company, or company listed on a major stock exchange that has annual profits greater than $15m/year?
Yep.
How about been to a university in Canada, US, or Europe in the last 15 years?
Yep.
And your original claim is still bullshit. I note that you're industriously moving the goalposts though.
Can you name the last time you had mandatory workshops on any of the following: Sexual harassment/workplace etiquette/triggers/trigger-words/micro-aggressions/politically (in)correct language/politically correct speech/politically correct terminology.
I had one on harassment, none on the other topics you're angry about. I don't really see a problem with it because I'm not a massive snowflake who's so precious that I get triggered when someone tells me it's possible for me to behave in an unacceptable way.
Notice anything yet?
Yeah I noticed that you're perpetually aggrieved that you can't behave exactly how you want with zero consequences. I also noticed that your claims are so overblown as to be flat out wrong
The difference between now and 20 years ago is that the "amount to be offended by" has increased to the point where air conditioning, smiling, small talk, and refusing to be baited by the crazy cat lady is claimed as sexist.
I love how here any such claims, no matter how wild, get modded up high. Now I expect to be modded down for pointing this out, despite it being true. If there's one thing the "anti SJW" can't stand it's dissent.
No. "Whataboutism" is confronting a jackass like you with the simple fact that you happily accept this stuff when a member of your own tribe does it.
Utter rubbish.
Whataboutism means whenever someone points out something about the Republicans to you, you always point the finger at the Democrats.
Here's the thing you seem to be missing: what the Dems did is irrelevant to whether the GOP did something bad. Completely utterly irrelevant. But yet you reach for it. Because you would rather shout at people than admit your tribe did something bad.
At the very best you're pointing out someone has the same hipcracy as you. At the wrst you are using that as an excuse to avoid ever seeing the bad things your tribe does.
That my man is Whataboutism and you are 100% guilty of it.
That't because metriocracies are bullshit and don't actually exist in practice. If you discount all human factors you actually get an assholeocracy with some minimum bar for merit, and not necessarily a particularly high one.
I can't believe that this got into the linux kernel
It has certainly amused me: Linux was held as the last bastion of the assholeocracy and now even that's gone and that has cause the most hilarious whining from a bunch of people who have never contributed to the kernel.
I guess you didn't actually believe tha mantra that Linus knows best then huh.
because 'equal opportunity' is being replaced by 'equal outcome.'
No it's not.
What's happening is that people are for the most part trying to is actually hiring the most qualified person instead of discunting them because of their genitals or skin colour.
A true libertarian believes that all people have the right to life, liberty and happiness, freedom of choice, and voluntary association.
Ah the old "no true libertarian" fallacy. It's also bullshit because you're tying up the notion of "libertarian" to the imagined political system of one particular country.
I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?
Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?
Wow this is the finest example of narcissistic victim mentality I've ever seen.
Here's a free clue: not everything that happens is about oppressing you.
The like button is crap and always has been. It means everything from "I agree", to "I like the sentiment" to "I'm glad you pasted that" to "hello I'm here like me back". And it's counted so people go fishing for likes because more is betterbetter. It's a toxic shit pile and always had been.
But no in your perpetually aggrieved brain it had to be about you because despite having control of all 3 branches of the government and the most popular media channel by a wide margin you're being oppressed because not everyone agreed with your side.
Get over yourself and pray you never see any actual oppression because if this is how you respond to winning then actual oppression will break you completely.
And you're demonstrated perfectly why whataboutism is a fallacy: instead of responding to the point I'm made you instead just spattered down your own talking points.
I assume you disagree with me. What I want to know is why?
Why do you think it's ok to conflate white supremacists and conservatives? The hate against conservatives is getting really out of hand...
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Let me guess, you also advocate eliminating manufacturing jobs "because human" and opening the borders to billions of foreigners "because human". Your heart bleeds for "humans" so much that the solution is to eliminate them and every trace of human civilization.
And this is why political discourse is fucked.
You are incapable of having anything approaching a rational discussion. What the GP says might challenge just one your ideas. Insted of thinking about and analysing what you believe, you instead brand him as the other tribe, invent an extreme viewpoint (because hey every member of the other tribe is an idior amirite?) and then mock that. And that keeps you nice and safe, you need never introspect.
Congratulations, you're part of the problem.
And if product sales occur within your country, then that is also taxed.
which is why they book all the sales throug Ireland regardless of where the sale is made in some absolute sense.
But this new tax isn't about that. Instead it's about taxing the companies no matter where they are located.
Yep!
High tax countries are upset that large tech companies have avoided them
No, this is 100% false. The large tech companies are not avoiding the "high tax" countries at all. They're doing tons of business there and making use of all the benefits of being in a high tax country but are using accounting tricks to avoid taxes.
Literally no one is trying to tax companies that have avoided the country in question. But that's using the real definition of avoid as in "aviod" not the definition you use which seems to be exceptionally dependent on tax law and accouting intracies.
Some countries are willing to be tax-competitive,
That's a bullshit term.
What are you blathering on about?
I think he's an imperialist, but doesn't realise that the imperial system is simply the matric system with a bunch of annoying conversion constants and weird conventions.
This is slashdot, kilo changes to 1024 when you add "byte" behind it.
We should switch to kibigrams when we need t ojust cram in a little more extra such as airline baggage fees.
The 2 party system is broken, everyone realizes it, yet everyone says why vote for them, only the Democrat or Republican can win.
In the words of Douglas Adams:
And that's exactly what happened at the last election. People tried not voting for a lizard and then the wrong lizard got in.
Interesting, but I can't quite find references to those 80 years ... would you mind providing some pointers ?
Somehow the way you worded it makes it sound like you didn't search and are very skeptical that it was a thing.
You might want to start reading here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Also, Dickens. You've heard of him, right? Or do you need some pointers?
I could not care less.
Well clearly not, otherwise you wouldn't have written about it.
Well, then be sad.
You really are obsessed with my feelings. I said it's sad, not I'm sad.
I am the very senior engineer that gets handed and solves all the hard problems we do not have an expert for.
This is the slashdot equivalent of a letter to penthouse.
You wish.
Why would I wish anything of the sort? I said "spoken like an armchair engineer", because you sound like one. If you're employed as an engineer, well, that's just sad.
You are the one saying anything about ignoring human factors.
Yep that's bcause you were ignoring them. That was literally my point, well done. Have a cookie.
If your bridges collapse and your houses burn down, having been polite will not keep you out of prison...
Given the bit you replied to, you are effectively that the way to stay out of prison is to be a big enough arsehole that you get fired so you have no responsibility.
um.
wat.
only user their intelligence
your wrong i muchly user my intelligence
In engineering if its bad you dont build it. If its good and youre an asshole about it to those who say yay or nay to funding or signing off, it still doesnt get built.
Absolutely 100% true. engineering is not an abstract art, it is all about the humans. That is after all the only reason things are built. And what's even worse if you're right but get fired for being a jerk and then the guy who's wrong gets to call the shots.
In engineering, being right is essential and trumps everything else
Spoken like an armchair engineer.
Woe betide the engineer who ignores human factors.
Being polite is professional but optional.
Generally no. If you get your ass fired for being an insufferable asshole, it doesn't matter how right you are because no one will hear your rightness. Like a poor engineer you ignored the human factors.
This seems extraordinarily unlikely to produce any surprises. Is there any theory or experiment in matter with an opposite electrical charge has anti-gravity? They're distinct fundamental forces.
The quantum mechanical model of antiparticles is that they are normal particles which are travelling back in time. It's a bit nonsensical from a non quantum mechanical persepective and it's not time travel as you might think of it. But if you time-reverse an electron and calculate how it behaves it behaves like that particle we can observe known as the positron.
It makes other things neat. For example accelerating electrons emit photons, or the emission of a photon causes the electron to accelerate. So far so good. If you take the time travel model then annihalation is an example of that. An electron and positron meet and get drstroyed emitting a photon. Or an electron amits a photon and changes direction in time rather than space and goes backwards as a positron. From a forward time point of view that looks like an electron and positron coming togther.
Pair production and annhilation just becomes a single electron whizzing round in circles in time.
IOW in the rather peculiar world of quantum mechanics a lot of observable things are modelled to within measurement error as time-reversed particles. Sure it's a mathematical abstraction but it works.
Quantum mechaices has no model of gravity. If an electron travelling forwards in time falls into a graviy well what do you think a time-reversed one might do? GR says it has mass so it's attracted and falls down. That seems to be the most popular view. But QM says it's time reversed so... what?
The answer is we won't know for sure.
Considering all the race violence in america today, including the recent alt right murders. Do you think that you managed to make the 201Xs better than the 198Xs? This is not trolling, i trily wonder about it, because at times I feel like in the last 50 years, the west stopped progressing and is just slacking around.
That's a good question. To define "better" you have to essentially assign a scalar to a multidimensional space, in other words, you have to find which things are better and which are worse and assign some sort of weighting to them and add the result.
so in some sense whether it's better depends on how you value the various things that have changed.
It's also important to discount perception: the 24hr news cycle has made it feel like we're in a massice crime wave the likes of whic hhas never been seen before but on average it looks like crime and voilence has actually been decreasing slowly but steadily.
Speaking of perception, people generally are used to their current situation and adapt if things change slowly. The 80s seemed fine (though I was a kid). The 90s seemed fine (I was a teenager). So did the 2000 and th 2010s. But the world has changed a fair bit from them.
An interesting thing to do is to find some old TV series you liked that has more or less vanished (no real cult following, go for something big and popular at the time) from say the mid 90s or 80s and watch some of it on youtube. The popular stuff of no particular merit tends to very much reflct the zeitgeist. It can be surprising. One show I remember loving in the 90s turned out to be unwatchable. It had things like a recurring funny side character: the joke was he is gay. That was it. The sole joke abut him. Repeated again and again.
But yes things are not uniformly getting better. The worsening of the gini coefficients and destruction of the middle class and similar things is stacking up problems. I think that's orthogonal to the reactions against bigorty etc. I'd like to take the latter, not the former if I could.
Naturally and reasonably people who are feeling the pinch of the middle class being destroyed are going to think things were better back then. Problems arise because humans are great at spotting patterns. So some people lump a whole lot of these things together and want to regress everything back because the things feel related (like cargo cults).
Fun fact: in the early middle ages there was a reaction against buttons. Turns out that the tight fitting, form revealing clothes enabled by the invention of buttons came aronud at the same time as the black death. Many people believed that buttons via the more revealing clothes were the problem and cause.
Back in the 80's there was a, shit, not sure what, but you could run a doc through it and it sounded like a black guy wrote it. Funny as hell, controversial even at the time.
Contraversial as in it was obviously a bit racist but people felt awkward about pointing out blatant racism in the 80s. Well yes, the 80s were kinda racist and most people around then did indeed pick up racism from the general culture, and tha tincludes both you and me.
The difference between us is that I'm not under the impression that I'm unassailably perfect and that if someone points out that some category of behaviour is actually harmful then I realise maybe I shouldn't do that. I don't simply blame that person for being an "SJW".
Now the world has changed around you and people WILL make a fuss if you're blatantly racist. If this pisses you off, the fault is yours for refusing to ever examine yourself, not the fault of some evil nebulous "SJW".
Something that any rational person should feel when they're told by a 3rd party that mentioning the smell of christmas trees is a micro-aggression.
It's interesting you keep simply inventing stuff but are so angry about it that you think it's real.
That never happened.
Do you work for a company with more then 300 people, a Fortune company, or company listed on a major stock exchange that has annual profits greater than $15m/year?
Yep.
How about been to a university in Canada, US, or Europe in the last 15 years?
Yep.
And your original claim is still bullshit. I note that you're industriously moving the goalposts though.
Can you name the last time you had mandatory workshops on any of the following: Sexual harassment/workplace etiquette/triggers/trigger-words/micro-aggressions/politically (in)correct language/politically correct speech/politically correct terminology.
I had one on harassment, none on the other topics you're angry about. I don't really see a problem with it because I'm not a massive snowflake who's so precious that I get triggered when someone tells me it's possible for me to behave in an unacceptable way.
Notice anything yet?
Yeah I noticed that you're perpetually aggrieved that you can't behave exactly how you want with zero consequences. I also noticed that your claims are so overblown as to be flat out wrong
I saw less then 5 "typical nerds" that we generally look like, balding, overweight dudes who look a bit shy / insure of themselves.
I thought typical nerds were very skinny and pale and shy.
Or are they overweight with a cheeto dusted "Han shot first" t shirt, a huge neckbeard and an astoundingly arrogant attitude.
What am I meant to be?
The difference between now and 20 years ago is that the "amount to be offended by" has increased to the point where air conditioning, smiling, small talk, and refusing to be baited by the crazy cat lady is claimed as sexist.
I love how here any such claims, no matter how wild, get modded up high. Now I expect to be modded down for pointing this out, despite it being true. If there's one thing the "anti SJW" can't stand it's dissent.
No. "Whataboutism" is confronting a jackass like you with the simple fact that you happily accept this stuff when a member of your own tribe does it.
Utter rubbish.
Whataboutism means whenever someone points out something about the Republicans to you, you always point the finger at the Democrats.
Here's the thing you seem to be missing: what the Dems did is irrelevant to whether the GOP did something bad. Completely utterly irrelevant. But yet you reach for it. Because you would rather shout at people than admit your tribe did something bad.
At the very best you're pointing out someone has the same hipcracy as you. At the wrst you are using that as an excuse to avoid ever seeing the bad things your tribe does.
That my man is Whataboutism and you are 100% guilty of it.
Accusing someone of whataboutism is tantamount to accepting their accusations of hypocrisy.
No it's not. Whataboutism is tantamount to accepting their point because your only defense is to deflect.
They are also against meritocracy
That't because metriocracies are bullshit and don't actually exist in practice. If you discount all human factors you actually get an assholeocracy with some minimum bar for merit, and not necessarily a particularly high one.
I can't believe that this got into the linux kernel
It has certainly amused me: Linux was held as the last bastion of the assholeocracy and now even that's gone and that has cause the most hilarious whining from a bunch of people who have never contributed to the kernel.
I guess you didn't actually believe tha mantra that Linus knows best then huh.
They are
No they are not.
because 'equal opportunity' is being replaced by 'equal outcome.'
No it's not.
What's happening is that people are for the most part trying to is actually hiring the most qualified person instead of discunting them because of their genitals or skin colour.
A true libertarian believes that all people have the right to life, liberty and happiness, freedom of choice, and voluntary association.
Ah the old "no true libertarian" fallacy. It's also bullshit because you're tying up the notion of "libertarian" to the imagined political system of one particular country.
I'm wondering what the problem with the "like" button is?
Could it be that too many people are liking the "wrong" things?
Wow this is the finest example of narcissistic victim mentality I've ever seen.
Here's a free clue: not everything that happens is about oppressing you.
The like button is crap and always has been. It means everything from "I agree", to "I like the sentiment" to "I'm glad you pasted that" to "hello I'm here like me back". And it's counted so people go fishing for likes because more is betterbetter. It's a toxic shit pile and always had been.
But no in your perpetually aggrieved brain it had to be about you because despite having control of all 3 branches of the government and the most popular media channel by a wide margin you're being oppressed because not everyone agreed with your side.
Get over yourself and pray you never see any actual oppression because if this is how you respond to winning then actual oppression will break you completely.
And you're demonstrated perfectly why whataboutism is a fallacy: instead of responding to the point I'm made you instead just spattered down your own talking points.
I assume you disagree with me. What I want to know is why?
Why do you think it's ok to conflate white supremacists and conservatives? The hate against conservatives is getting really out of hand...