And you are assuming too much with the "people that recive your spam" comment too. I don't spam.
But you do argue that you should be able to connect to the net and do whatever you want, regardless of your ISP's wishes, and that everyone else should be able to do that, regardless of their ISP's wishes.
And that *does* lead to spam, DoS attacks, viruses that the ISP must allow to spread, etc.
It is funny that people go and sign up for everything they want to get free and then complain when they get email marketing from those people or people afiliated with them. Spam is somethign you invite into your mail box not somethign that automajically apears.
More bullshit. Spammers buy and harvest addresses from anyplace they can. I don't sign up for a lot of "free" stuff, and when I do join a mailing list, I generaly give the company/site that runs it their own email address. If they sell it, I know who sold it.
But the vast majority of the spam I get doesn't come from giving it out, as I don't give it out to places with bad privacy policies. The vast majority comes to addresses harvested from my website.
You don't want to stop spam. You want the ability to do, as you stated, anything you want, regardless of your ISP's rules, regardless of the wishes of the people that receive your spam, until the legal system finds a way to stop you.
You guys still don't get it, and looks like u never will, which means that 9/11 will be repeated, and repeated until the message finally gets into your thick, steel-plated skull.
You guys still don't get it. If you fucking terrorists keep trying that kind of thing, we'll just shut off all the free food we send to your pissant countries, and start sending Nukes instead. Fuck you and your terrorist friends.
Anyone with the knowhow that is paying for an internet conection deserves the right to use that internet conection as they see fit.
Sure. They should be able to spam, distribute warez, run a DoS attack, hack the banking system - whatever they want. Why should they be expected to follow the rules their ISP set, or for that matter, obey the law?
You were modded 5, Insightful for telling people to shut up and eat your spam.
I can't do anything about that, but I can call you a cock sucking maggot...
Last year, the dipshit that ran SPEWS decided he didn't want to play anymore and closed up shop.
Wrong. But you're a troll, so you already know you're lying.
You also know that most admins are well aware that using blacklists will cause some false positives, where legitimate mail gets blocked. But paying for the bandwidth to accept those mails, and then letting the recipients sort through tons of spam that they don't want to see, makes that risk worthwhile to some admins.
Assholes like you want everyone to do everything their way, no matter the cost, and are willing to lie through their teeth in order to make their argument.
We are frequently blocked because our netblock is a source of spam.
So, you aren't willing to complain to your ISP, you aren't willing to send your mail via another server that *isn't* blocked, you aren't willing to get another ISP, and you want the rest of us to shut up and eat our spam.
Sorry, but I think I'll pass. Anyone who runs a server has a right to block any IP's they choose, for any reason. If your netblock has a habit of sending out spam, you can expect people to block refuse mail originating in that block.
Be aware, that the fastest growing power in IT and related is China. Do you really want to exclude that potential source of business enquiry?
Some businesses need to be able to easily talk to individuals and/or businesses in China. Those can set there servers up so that they don't block your mail. Other businesss have no need for that, so they have little if anything to lose by blocking mail from China.
As an individual, it's very very unlikely that I will receive legitimate mail from China - but I've certainly received a lot of spam from there.
That's certainly a valid way to handle it. The guy that runs my server knows that I don't want him blocking anything - I have the ability to handle it myself, and the server just holds it until I do.
But many users *want* their provider to filter the spam. Some ISP's advertise based on the fact that they can get rid of it. I think that is just fine, too. Not everyone wants to figure out how to set up their own filtering system, and not everyone wants to put up with viruses and spam filling their inbox. You describe that as "wrong". (Though after saying "it's wrong" you say "that isn't what I meant, so I don't know what you did mean.) I don't see that as wrong - it's a perfectly valid way to do things, just as your way is valid. People that want no filtering can find places that don't filter. People that want their mail spam/virus filtered should be able to find that, also, and your theory of "That's just wrong" isn't likely to effect their choice.
Spam is a bitch and I hate it as much as the next admin. Deleting or blocking said email is the *wrong* choice.
Nonsense. I get 500+ spams a day, plus bounces from spam which forged my domain name in the From: field.
I could read through all of it, as you suggest, or I can delete/block a whole pile of crap without having to download it or look at it.
If you do not choose to delete spam, or block spam, that is your choice. When you start telling the rest of that our choice is "wrong" because we choose differnetly than you, then you can go suck on a rock. My machine, my email account, my rules.
I worked at a camera store back in the early 80's. They were using an Apple II to do their bookwork, and were starting to sell Apple's and Commodore 8032's. That's where I got started in computers.
Anyway, we had a darkroom in the back that was mostly just used by the employees for personal projects after work. One day, I knew another employee was planning to come in that evening to use the darkroom. That wasn't uncommon, and usually you would make you way through the mostly dark storage room to the darkroom, so there's not a lot of light until you get to the darkroom.
So before I closed the shop, I took some of those mini-firecracker things with a string on each end. You pull the strings, the thing goes "POP!". I tacked 5 or 6 of them to the door on one side, the door-frame on the other, so that when he opened the darkroom door, they would all pop at once.
I didn't get to see his expression, but I sure heard about it later.
And, protest the U.S. military? Better to protest the sunshine. You have a better chance of getting rid of it.
No, I'm sure that President Bush is holding an emergency staff meeting right now and telling his people "We've got to pull back. I didn't realize what I had done, until the President of a Linux User Group resigned. If I don't straighten this out, the country will fall apart. Get Us Out Of Iraq!"
Yeah, us darn American's and our car bombs. Hardly a day goes by when US soldiers don't fill an old Yugo with explosives, jump inside, and drive it to the nearest police station.
If America had the "blow 'em up, who cares who gets hurt" mentality, we could have (and still could) just level towns like Fallujah. That isn't, however how we do things - but it doesn't keep assholes like you from blaming us, either.
I would still like to understand the difference between the Demicans and the Republocrats.
No difference. It's like two sports teams, who both want to win. One team may have a different game-plan than the other, but they are both just trying to win. Anyone that thinks one team or the other "stands" for something is naive. No honest man would have a chance in either party.
Considering the number of spammers that have been tossed off of ISP's, and more recently, spammers that have been taken to court, then your argument that they are "anonymous" seems a bit weak. Forging the From line is trivial. Hiding the website that you are advertising is much harder.
If you think that they don't hear about it, tell it to Ralsky.
I use whitelisting quite a bit. It's very important to me. I use Mailwasher as a tool to help.
It won't ensure that someone who hasn't emailed me before gets through, but it will ensure that once they've reached me once, that their mail will reach me the next time the email from that address.
I have Mailwasher show me everything except what was whitelisted. The vast majority is spam. I also have it do IP lookups and mark emails from blacklisted sites as blacklisted. Those get a bare-quick-look through, if anything. Some days, I don't even look at them.
Most of my time is tied up in looking at the mails from people I don't know, who are not whitelisted, and who aren't sending from blacklisted IP's. When I see a legit msg, I whitelist them, so they won't show up in that list next time, it will just go through.
After a quick look, I have mailwasher delete all of those spams from the server, and (assuming there hasn't been a long time period involved) I grab my mail. (If I got tied up in the middle with something else, I'll have Mailwasher grab fresh mail, and repeat the process, though with a lot more mail to look at.)
I also have a few keywords set up that, if they show in the subject, will let the mail through. I sometimes use that so that I can tell people "Email me at this@address and put "such-n-such" in the subject line. If they do that, I know that their mail will get through.
I'm a fan of Mailwasher - that's what I use myself to keep out the crap.
But only an idiot will use the "send bounce messages" feature. 99% of the spam has forged headers, so the vast majority of the time, if you do that, then *you* are the one wasting someones bandwidth and annoying them for no reason. And the few spammers who do get your bounce won't care - they just don't give a shit.
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Your facts were not "slightly incorrect". They were 100% fabricated. SPEWS never did what you accuse them of.
And that *does* lead to spam, DoS attacks, viruses that the ISP must allow to spread, etc.
But the vast majority of the spam I get doesn't come from giving it out, as I don't give it out to places with bad privacy policies. The vast majority comes to addresses harvested from my website.
You don't want to stop spam. You want the ability to do, as you stated, anything you want, regardless of your ISP's rules, regardless of the wishes of the people that receive your spam, until the legal system finds a way to stop you.
Screw that, and screw you.
In just a few posts, you've come a long way from " Deleting or blocking said email is the *wrong* choice."
You guys still don't get it. If you fucking terrorists keep trying that kind of thing, we'll just shut off all the free food we send to your pissant countries, and start sending Nukes instead. Fuck you and your terrorist friends.
If you think that the US hasn't seriously limited his possibilities, you are not paying attention.
Fucking moron.
Oh, an Anonymous Coard wrote it on Slashdot, so it must be true!
Fucking moron.
Sure. They should be able to spam, distribute warez, run a DoS attack, hack the banking system - whatever they want. Why should they be expected to follow the rules their ISP set, or for that matter, obey the law?
You were modded 5, Insightful for telling people to shut up and eat your spam. I can't do anything about that, but I can call you a cock sucking maggot...
Wrong. But you're a troll, so you already know you're lying.
You also know that most admins are well aware that using blacklists will cause some false positives, where legitimate mail gets blocked. But paying for the bandwidth to accept those mails, and then letting the recipients sort through tons of spam that they don't want to see, makes that risk worthwhile to some admins.
Assholes like you want everyone to do everything their way, no matter the cost, and are willing to lie through their teeth in order to make their argument.
So, you aren't willing to complain to your ISP, you aren't willing to send your mail via another server that *isn't* blocked, you aren't willing to get another ISP, and you want the rest of us to shut up and eat our spam.
Sorry, but I think I'll pass. Anyone who runs a server has a right to block any IP's they choose, for any reason. If your netblock has a habit of sending out spam, you can expect people to block refuse mail originating in that block.
Be aware, that the fastest growing power in IT and related is China. Do you really want to exclude that potential source of business enquiry?
Some businesses need to be able to easily talk to individuals and/or businesses in China. Those can set there servers up so that they don't block your mail. Other businesss have no need for that, so they have little if anything to lose by blocking mail from China.
As an individual, it's very very unlikely that I will receive legitimate mail from China - but I've certainly received a lot of spam from there.
But many users *want* their provider to filter the spam. Some ISP's advertise based on the fact that they can get rid of it. I think that is just fine, too. Not everyone wants to figure out how to set up their own filtering system, and not everyone wants to put up with viruses and spam filling their inbox. You describe that as "wrong". (Though after saying "it's wrong" you say "that isn't what I meant, so I don't know what you did mean.) I don't see that as wrong - it's a perfectly valid way to do things, just as your way is valid. People that want no filtering can find places that don't filter. People that want their mail spam/virus filtered should be able to find that, also, and your theory of "That's just wrong" isn't likely to effect their choice.
I recommend you check out MailWasher.
Nonsense. I get 500+ spams a day, plus bounces from spam which forged my domain name in the From: field. I could read through all of it, as you suggest, or I can delete/block a whole pile of crap without having to download it or look at it.
If you do not choose to delete spam, or block spam, that is your choice. When you start telling the rest of that our choice is "wrong" because we choose differnetly than you, then you can go suck on a rock. My machine, my email account, my rules.
Anyway, we had a darkroom in the back that was mostly just used by the employees for personal projects after work. One day, I knew another employee was planning to come in that evening to use the darkroom. That wasn't uncommon, and usually you would make you way through the mostly dark storage room to the darkroom, so there's not a lot of light until you get to the darkroom.
So before I closed the shop, I took some of those mini-firecracker things with a string on each end. You pull the strings, the thing goes "POP!". I tacked 5 or 6 of them to the door on one side, the door-frame on the other, so that when he opened the darkroom door, they would all pop at once.
I didn't get to see his expression, but I sure heard about it later.
If his goal was to convince pretty much everyone on /. that he's an idiot, I'd say it worked perfectly.
Yeah, and then if the military uses it, you can just go kick their fucking ass...
No, I'm sure that President Bush is holding an emergency staff meeting right now and telling his people "We've got to pull back. I didn't realize what I had done, until the President of a Linux User Group resigned. If I don't straighten this out, the country will fall apart. Get Us Out Of Iraq!"
If America had the "blow 'em up, who cares who gets hurt" mentality, we could have (and still could) just level towns like Fallujah. That isn't, however how we do things - but it doesn't keep assholes like you from blaming us, either.
No difference. It's like two sports teams, who both want to win. One team may have a different game-plan than the other, but they are both just trying to win. Anyone that thinks one team or the other "stands" for something is naive. No honest man would have a chance in either party.
If you think that they don't hear about it, tell it to Ralsky.
You certainly have the morals for it.
It won't ensure that someone who hasn't emailed me before gets through, but it will ensure that once they've reached me once, that their mail will reach me the next time the email from that address.
I have Mailwasher show me everything except what was whitelisted. The vast majority is spam. I also have it do IP lookups and mark emails from blacklisted sites as blacklisted. Those get a bare-quick-look through, if anything. Some days, I don't even look at them.
Most of my time is tied up in looking at the mails from people I don't know, who are not whitelisted, and who aren't sending from blacklisted IP's. When I see a legit msg, I whitelist them, so they won't show up in that list next time, it will just go through.
After a quick look, I have mailwasher delete all of those spams from the server, and (assuming there hasn't been a long time period involved) I grab my mail. (If I got tied up in the middle with something else, I'll have Mailwasher grab fresh mail, and repeat the process, though with a lot more mail to look at.)
I also have a few keywords set up that, if they show in the subject, will let the mail through. I sometimes use that so that I can tell people "Email me at this@address and put "such-n-such" in the subject line. If they do that, I know that their mail will get through.
Spammers don't have to afford it. They don't pay the costs, the rest of us do.
But only an idiot will use the "send bounce messages" feature. 99% of the spam has forged headers, so the vast majority of the time, if you do that, then *you* are the one wasting someones bandwidth and annoying them for no reason. And the few spammers who do get your bounce won't care - they just don't give a shit.