idlemachine" "You really are a dopey little fucker, aren't you? I'm not entirely sure how your uppercasing my words makes me the one screaming"
Please demonstrate to us all how there is a "calm voiced and rational" manner in which you said...
"You really are a dopey little fucker, aren't you?"
"Did Python murder your parents before your eyes at a young age or something?"
"If this is really such a deal breaker for you, trust me, noone in the Python community will miss you.
Hell, noone in the wider programming community will"
"God knows there are times I'd wish Python 3.0 had kept print as a keyword just so people like you would shut the fuck up about it."
"When did improvement become so damn anathematic to people in the IT industry? It's change or die."
Someone posts batshit crazy statements like those... it's a given they're screaming rants.
And as I've said in two posts and you have proven for me, idlemachine... the reason one should not teach Python to a young programmer isn't the language, it the changes that are a couple of months away that are going to make all the current tutorials and learning resources wrong, as well as the furor and instability surrounding the Python community] right now. True believer Pythonistas, as idlemachine demonstrated, are very, very oversentitive about the topic of Python 3.0 changes and detonate at slightest suggestion that everything now and in the future perfect in Pythonland. It's just not the place for a young learner to be right now.
The above over-reaction is a perfect example of why right now is a bad time to use Python to teach a new young programmer. Wait at least a year until all the Pythonistas aren't as oversensitive to questions about Python 3.0.
Imagine some poor kids who dared to asked about why the print statement is different than it was last month on a python message board or mailing list getting this kinda crap?
"If you don't understand the new print staement, LEAVE. Trust me, noone in the Python community will miss you! Hell, noone in the wider programming community will etc."
"Shut up. Just learn to like that new print statement. It's CHANGE OR DIE."
And God have mercy on the poor kid who asks the Pythonistas about why they are going to the trouble of breaking python, but not addressing the it's huge concurrency problems while it's being broken.
SCO is about to get a new sugar daddy to fund a whole new round of Linux lawsuits. Corporatist extremists are going to keep on suing Linux one way or another over and over until they land one of their lawsuits in the courtroom of a right wing extremist like Scalia until one of them owns Linux, or right wing extremists like Scalia stop getting appointed to the Federal courts.
So Mono is no more of a "trap" than Linux is. Neither is in the clear.
-Yeah, Miguel and Co. wasted all that time working on Mono that they could have used on something truly innovative, open and free, like wasting his time making the 773rd different distro of the exact same Linux operating system every other distro is making, but this one has a BROWN colored desktop theme, right?
Me thinks he barketh up the wrong tree.
-In the real world, very few people are going to stop using M$ because Linux isn't capable of working with them. People will stop using Linux if it can't be made to work with M$, though.
This is the wrong time to pick Python for teaching. Python 3.0 is coming out in months. It's going to be incompatible with all the 2.x versions. There's going to be major changes that effect everything all the way down to "Hello World."
That sounds like a big confusing mess to deal with explaining to a student.
They seem to have an answer for that. Lots of potential availability of sun for solar power in the Aussie Outback where one of the prime sources for limestone is located. Good solar energy for many other potential limestone sources.
Like many of these potential alternative energy proposals, it's hard to envision any one proposal being the entire solution to global warming. However, they could come up with a solution to the global warming problem by going forward on a number of different proposals, with this proposal being a part of that.
Whatever side the guys that were defending apartheid... that side was the terrorists.
I don't care if Darth Vader, Karl Marx and Ho Chi Minh and the Red Riders were on the other side, if they were trying to defeat apartheid, they were the good guys.
20 years of studying the U.S. Constitution, and the first chance Obama gets as party leader to defend the U.S Constitution, Obama defecates all over the U. S. Constitution, then burns it.
"Look over HERE at this shiny UFO distraction thing so you won't look over THERE and see Americans agree with Kucinich's stands on all the issues at 60-70% rate.
Are you kids being forced to grow up without health insurance while you are waving that stupid shiny distraction thing?
The only thing Kucinich ever said was he's seen something he didn't know what it was. So have you. So have I. That's what "unidentified" means.
I wasn't expecting Obama to be "the black Che Guevara." I was expecting Obama to be a centrist. He's now gone to the significantly to the right of centrist. Obama is now further to the right than Bob Dole was when he ran against Bill Clinton.
Once immunity is granted to Dubya and the telecoms, it would basically take a special case Constitutional Amendment (think Prohibition, and subsequent removal of Prohibition) to void that immunity.
Sounds like the beginning of a Nigerian scam mail.
"The two biggest computing providers of today are offering to you opportunities to become financially enriched by building their concurrent offerings on top of really concurrent programming languages and systems. All you have to profit is send $20,000 via Western Union to Ubulu@lagosnet.ng...
An Ivy League grad student designed plans for a nuke in the 70's.
The plans for nuke aren't the real barrier to building a nuke. Getting enough uranium process into U-235 to make a nuke is the primary barrier.
The Army built the reactor at Oak Ridge to process the Uranium for those first A-bombs. It didn't process U-235 anywhere near fast enough so they had to build the whole Hanford reactor facility too.
Scott McClellan's book says not only did the Bush Administration lie about the intel on Iraq about WoMD (including African uranium), it says the Bush Administration KNEW they were lying about the intel on Iraq MoMD.
YOU might have given YOUR support. I didn't support Bush's war. I fought like a badger against the Iraq War. Anyone actually paying attention knew Bush and his cronies were lying before that war even started.
The UN weapon inspectors said there were NO WoMDs in Iraq well before combat began.
SCO still has a few law schools worth of lawyers on retainer, and a new group of big bucks sugar daddies to fund a few more rounds of lawsuits.
These extremists are not going to surrender. They see open source/free software as a form of communism. These are not the sort of people who call off an already declared war. They are going to keep on filing new lawsuits until they manage to land their lawsuit in the courtroom of a judge who is just as warped and extreme as they are.
What one person might consider fun, another looks at as drudgery. My Dad has fun sitting down with a stack of economics textbooks every summer vacation and starts reading. He usually got 4 or 5 of them done by the end of his vacation.
Younger friends swear piercings are fun. I have about as much enthusiasm about getting my tongue pierced as I do sitting down and reading a pile of econ textbooks on my vacation... and has just about the same chance of happening.
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idlemachine" "You really are a dopey little fucker, aren't you? I'm not entirely sure how your uppercasing my words makes me the one screaming"
Please demonstrate to us all how there is a "calm voiced and rational" manner in which you said...
"You really are a dopey little fucker, aren't you?"
"Did Python murder your parents before your eyes at a young age or something?"
"If this is really such a deal breaker for you, trust me, noone in the Python community will miss you.
Hell, noone in the wider programming community will"
"God knows there are times I'd wish Python 3.0 had kept print as a keyword just so people like you would shut the fuck up about it."
"When did improvement become so damn anathematic to people in the IT industry? It's change or die."
Someone posts batshit crazy statements like those... it's a given they're screaming rants.
And as I've said in two posts and you have proven for me, idlemachine... the reason one should not teach Python to a young programmer isn't the language, it the changes that are a couple of months away that are going to make all the current tutorials and learning resources wrong, as well as the furor and instability surrounding the Python community] right now. True believer Pythonistas, as idlemachine demonstrated, are very, very oversentitive about the topic of Python 3.0 changes and detonate at slightest suggestion that everything now and in the future perfect in Pythonland. It's just not the place for a young learner to be right now.
The above over-reaction is a perfect example of why right now is a bad time to use Python to teach a new young programmer. Wait at least a year until all the Pythonistas aren't as oversensitive to questions about Python 3.0.
Imagine some poor kids who dared to asked about why the print statement is different than it was last month on a python message board or mailing list getting this kinda crap?
"If you don't understand the new print staement, LEAVE. Trust me, noone in the Python community will miss you! Hell, noone in the wider programming community will etc."
"Shut up. Just learn to like that new print statement. It's CHANGE OR DIE."
And God have mercy on the poor kid who asks the Pythonistas about why they are going to the trouble of breaking python, but not addressing the it's huge concurrency problems while it's being broken.
SCO is about to get a new sugar daddy to fund a whole new round of Linux lawsuits. Corporatist extremists are going to keep on suing Linux one way or another over and over until they land one of their lawsuits in the courtroom of a right wing extremist like Scalia until one of them owns Linux, or right wing extremists like Scalia stop getting appointed to the Federal courts.
So Mono is no more of a "trap" than Linux is. Neither is in the clear.
-Yeah, Miguel and Co. wasted all that time working on Mono that they could have used on something truly innovative, open and free, like wasting his time making the 773rd different distro of the exact same Linux operating system every other distro is making, but this one has a BROWN colored desktop theme, right?
Me thinks he barketh up the wrong tree.
-In the real world, very few people are going to stop using M$ because Linux isn't capable of working with them. People will stop using Linux if it can't be made to work with M$, though.
This is the wrong time to pick Python for teaching. Python 3.0 is coming out in months. It's going to be incompatible with all the 2.x versions. There's going to be major changes that effect everything all the way down to "Hello World."
That sounds like a big confusing mess to deal with explaining to a student.
Link to python 3.0 info...
http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/
...You put de Lime in de Venus and She drink it all up
You put de Lime in de Venus and it stop de Global Warming.
Doctor...
They seem to have an answer for that. Lots of potential availability of sun for solar power in the Aussie Outback where one of the prime sources for limestone is located. Good solar energy for many other potential limestone sources.
Like many of these potential alternative energy proposals, it's hard to envision any one proposal being the entire solution to global warming. However, they could come up with a solution to the global warming problem by going forward on a number of different proposals, with this proposal being a part of that.
Whatever side the guys that were defending apartheid... that side was the terrorists.
I don't care if Darth Vader, Karl Marx and Ho Chi Minh and the Red Riders were on the other side, if they were trying to defeat apartheid, they were the good guys.
20 years of studying the U.S. Constitution, and the first chance Obama gets as party leader to defend the U.S Constitution, Obama defecates all over the U. S. Constitution, then burns it.
"Look over HERE at this shiny UFO distraction thing so you won't look over THERE and see Americans agree with Kucinich's stands on all the issues at 60-70% rate.
Are you kids being forced to grow up without health insurance while you are waving that stupid shiny distraction thing?
The only thing Kucinich ever said was he's seen something he didn't know what it was. So have you. So have I. That's what "unidentified" means.
I wasn't expecting Obama to be "the black Che Guevara." I was expecting Obama to be a centrist. He's now gone to the significantly to the right of centrist. Obama is now further to the right than Bob Dole was when he ran against Bill Clinton.
Once immunity is granted to Dubya and the telecoms, it would basically take a special case Constitutional Amendment (think Prohibition, and subsequent removal of Prohibition) to void that immunity.
Sounds like the beginning of a Nigerian scam mail.
"The two biggest computing providers of today are offering to you opportunities to become financially enriched by building their concurrent offerings on top of really concurrent programming languages and systems. All you have to profit is send $20,000 via Western Union to Ubulu@lagosnet.ng...
It's every bit as illegal to cheat the US Gov't of every single penny they owe the IRS.
You want the IRS tapping your phone to see if you are earning any income on the side that you don't report to the IRS on your tax forms?
An Ivy League grad student designed plans for a nuke in the 70's.
The plans for nuke aren't the real barrier to building a nuke. Getting enough uranium process into U-235 to make a nuke is the primary barrier.
The Army built the reactor at Oak Ridge to process the Uranium for those first A-bombs. It didn't process U-235 anywhere near fast enough so they had to build the whole Hanford reactor facility too.
Scott McClellan's book says not only did the Bush Administration lie about the intel on Iraq about WoMD (including African uranium), it says the Bush Administration KNEW they were lying about the intel on Iraq MoMD.
Fine rhetoric from an anonymous coward. Step out from behind your cloak of anonymity to say that.
I'm the one in this conversation that is proud enough of my political beliefs to wear them "on my sleeve" or at least my login ID here.
I've gone by that name here since I found this place shortly after Dubya took office, and wore it proudly right through Dubya's 93% approval ratings.
Go away and troll someone who your nonsense might get a rise from.
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Scott McClellan's book says not only that they were lying, it says they KNEW they were lying about the intel when they said it.
http://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Washingtons-Culture-Deception/dp/1586485563
Scott McClellan's book says not only that they were lying, it says they KNEW they were lying about the intel when they said it.
http://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Washingtons-Culture-Deception/dp/1586485563
Clinton did not lie about anything pertaining to his duties as President.
YOU might have given YOUR support. I didn't support Bush's war. I fought like a badger against the Iraq War. Anyone actually paying attention knew Bush and his cronies were lying before that war even started.
The UN weapon inspectors said there were NO WoMDs in Iraq well before combat began.
Here's a link O'Reilly's "Head First C#."
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596514822/
Best C#/Visual Studio book from what's in my opinion the best series of teaching books around right now.
Here's the link to free download of Visual C# Express.
http://www.microsoft.com/express/vcsharp/
That's not a trial. It's a free reduced feature version of Visual Studio 2008.
Scalia? Roberts? Thomas?
The final judgement by the Roberts & Co. is not likely to be one you're gonna like.
SCO still has a few law schools worth of lawyers on retainer, and a new group of big bucks sugar daddies to fund a few more rounds of lawsuits.
These extremists are not going to surrender. They see open source/free software as a form of communism. These are not the sort of people who call off an already declared war. They are going to keep on filing new lawsuits until they manage to land their lawsuit in the courtroom of a judge who is just as warped and extreme as they are.
What one person might consider fun, another looks at as drudgery. My Dad has fun sitting down with a stack of economics textbooks every summer vacation and starts reading. He usually got 4 or 5 of them done by the end of his vacation.
Younger friends swear piercings are fun. I have about as much enthusiasm about getting my tongue pierced as I do sitting down and reading a pile of econ textbooks on my vacation... and has just about the same chance of happening.