Well we do consider it a reasonable threshold just completely ineffectual. In fact, you gathered that it's pretty pointless to invest in a fireproof safe for media, or documents. We gathered that at 1500C is it going to last 3 hours or 5? or still just over 2h? What exactly does the safe guarantee? Has anyone actually proven the 2h@2000C rating (no)?. Also we had transformers and PDUs in the room, which burn long and hot. Particularly nasty fires they are. Fireproof safes are essentially the same as other metal safes, but they are insulated, and barely sealed. They also have double doors, to hopefully mitigate heat damage.
We also found that say firefighters were hosing down our data center, could we reasonably expect our tapes to be undamaged? how about in the -40 cold + water? Basically it was a huge waste of money to buy a safe and reinforce the floor to hold it all. Once the guy who bought it left, we focused on duplication and getting our data offsite ASAP.
Places like Iron Mountain have had fires (lost data in one of those), they do not store documents in a safe. more like a secured warehouse with a sprinkler. In any event The best protection against loss is duplication and distribution of data.
So, to answer your question directly. What are the chances of losing documents in a 1500C for 1 hour? From smoke, marginal, depends on the seals of the safe and how smoky the fire is. From water, pretty good. From fire, it's a crapshoot. From heat, 2000C for 2h.
This is simply not true at all. Even the best fireproof (read: not resistant) contents will be damaged a subjected to heat (ID, electronics, plastic money) and are subject to water damage (there is no perfect seal). A gas explosion maybe, a fire of any length puts those documents at risk, as does the rescue effort (water).
Source: lead for tape/document storage and disaster recovery for several years, once upon a time.
If I were the NSA, I would have specifically targeted regular code review at things like OpenSSL. It's the best vector around. All of these denials just tell me high level government are idiots and don't understand the issue. I don't think its vaulting the NSA to mythical status to suggest they have known about the issue since shortly after the code was committed- and they didn't tell anyone. Furthermore, I don't believe it's far fetched to believe foreign governments were aware of the issue as well- therefore no real security reason to stop the party.
>real evidence to the contrary I'll happily change my posisition
So what you are really saying is you agree with ShadowOfEternity. Honestly how is this insightful?
Being open to new knowledge is not the same as rejecting the idea that merely counters that which is well understood.
>You're very language betrays the conceit that you are somehow omniscient, because how else can you know that someone else's knowledge is "ignorance" and your's are "facts".
You're right. If you can't mine without oil, you should perhaps unlink the dependency on oil first. Rare earth metals are available everywhere it's just not economically reasonable to mine them in North America presently. BTW, do you honestly think China will be manufacturing our panels indefinitely? If so, Japan may want to have a word...
No they do not. Some ideas are thoroughly unwelcome because they are easily dispatched either via logic, or apparent fact. Simple and ill considered ideas, such as solar energy not being required for long term persistence on this planet, is one such idea.
More sophisticated ideas do require consideration and are part of the general culture.
No there are just certain arguments which relegate themselves to/dev/null. Rather presumptuous (and nasty) of you to imply that I do not appreciate/welcome a culture of actual ideas.
It really all boils down to cheap oil. There is no #1. Only #2. #2 will happen first and foremost.
Oil is needed to make cheap semiconductors to make solar panels. Anything else just doesn't scale without semiconductors.
Conclusion, we're screwed. This is why going solar while the going is good is so damn important. Anyone who ever argues with me otherwise (oh and there are loads of idiots that do) gets redirected to dev/null.
I definitely recommend LTO. A great format and reasonable speed (you should be able to restore this over the course of a few days via SCSI). If this guy has 20TB of data in racks, maybe it's not really too much of an investment. (It's also cheap to expand).
What the hell are you talking about? You want to call me a misogynist, you don't know SHIT about me.
Managers are going to insulate project against risk that someone might leave FOR ANY REASON. I'm talking there are two types of workers: Ones who are driven to work for the company and ones who want to work 9-5 and go home for to their families. It's a life choice, MALE or FEMALE.
I'm saying where I work, in terms of women, both groups are pretty equally represented. We have driven women, who receive the support they need to be promoted up to the highest levels and it's not just one. It's a huge distribution. Then we have women who are more home oriented, and they are well represented in my area (tech) as well. Managers are not going to select their next star project member from the latter group, men or women.
so seriously get off your high horse, and listen to what people are actually saying, not your ridiculous narrative of oppression and patriarchy.
But you won't be put on Project X that delivers next quarter either. There are trade offs to life choices, and Women are definitely at a disadvantage in this area no matter what the stats and laws say.
Personally in my experience my tech job is well represented with women who make choices to take a laid back approach to work for this reason. Furthermore I report to 7 managers, 4 of which are women right on up to the highest level. I think there is room for both archetypes.
First of All your history is wrong. Second of all I live in a Quebec border town. Third of all, just because a business resides in Quebec and maintains a Quebec storefront, doesn't mean your Facebook is your Quebec storefront, or even service.
If I wanted a Brazillian storefront, I'd put up a similar page on Orkut.
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Well we do consider it a reasonable threshold just completely ineffectual. In fact, you gathered that it's pretty pointless to invest in a fireproof safe for media, or documents. We gathered that at 1500C is it going to last 3 hours or 5? or still just over 2h? What exactly does the safe guarantee? Has anyone actually proven the 2h@2000C rating (no)?. Also we had transformers and PDUs in the room, which burn long and hot. Particularly nasty fires they are. Fireproof safes are essentially the same as other metal safes, but they are insulated, and barely sealed. They also have double doors, to hopefully mitigate heat damage.
We also found that say firefighters were hosing down our data center, could we reasonably expect our tapes to be undamaged? how about in the -40 cold + water? Basically it was a huge waste of money to buy a safe and reinforce the floor to hold it all. Once the guy who bought it left, we focused on duplication and getting our data offsite ASAP.
Places like Iron Mountain have had fires (lost data in one of those), they do not store documents in a safe. more like a secured warehouse with a sprinkler. In any event The best protection against loss is duplication and distribution of data.
So, to answer your question directly. What are the chances of losing documents in a 1500C for 1 hour? From smoke, marginal, depends on the seals of the safe and how smoky the fire is. From water, pretty good. From fire, it's a crapshoot. From heat, 2000C for 2h.
Actually "Fireproof" is 2 hours at 2000C. Fire resistant is a shitty safe you buy at costco.
It is not waterproof. Nor is it heat proof.
I know what I'm talking about. And yes, it is a concern we do risk analysis on, even in a concrete multistory building.
Touche.
This is simply not true at all. Even the best fireproof (read: not resistant) contents will be damaged a subjected to heat (ID, electronics, plastic money) and are subject to water damage (there is no perfect seal). A gas explosion maybe, a fire of any length puts those documents at risk, as does the rescue effort (water).
Source: lead for tape/document storage and disaster recovery for several years, once upon a time.
If I were the NSA, I would have specifically targeted regular code review at things like OpenSSL. It's the best vector around. All of these denials just tell me high level government are idiots and don't understand the issue. I don't think its vaulting the NSA to mythical status to suggest they have known about the issue since shortly after the code was committed- and they didn't tell anyone. Furthermore, I don't believe it's far fetched to believe foreign governments were aware of the issue as well- therefore no real security reason to stop the party.
This is pretty good advice for an AC.
So what you are saying is, there is no way this should have costed 48k
>real evidence to the contrary I'll happily change my posisition
So what you are really saying is you agree with ShadowOfEternity. Honestly how is this insightful?
Being open to new knowledge is not the same as rejecting the idea that merely counters that which is well understood.
>You're very language betrays the conceit that you are somehow omniscient, because how else can you know that someone else's knowledge is "ignorance" and your's are "facts".
Sophistry indeed.
You're right. If you can't mine without oil, you should perhaps unlink the dependency on oil first. Rare earth metals are available everywhere it's just not economically reasonable to mine them in North America presently. BTW, do you honestly think China will be manufacturing our panels indefinitely? If so, Japan may want to have a word...
No they do not. Some ideas are thoroughly unwelcome because they are easily dispatched either via logic, or apparent fact. Simple and ill considered ideas, such as solar energy not being required for long term persistence on this planet, is one such idea.
More sophisticated ideas do require consideration and are part of the general culture.
Proof: The new layout is vastly superior to the original slashdot layout.
Sitting down, shutting up, and prepared for the onslaught of facts. :)
Well said, friend.
No there are just certain arguments which relegate themselves to /dev/null. Rather presumptuous (and nasty) of you to imply that I do not appreciate/welcome a culture of actual ideas.
It really all boils down to cheap oil. There is no #1. Only #2. #2 will happen first and foremost.
Oil is needed to make cheap semiconductors to make solar panels. Anything else just doesn't scale without semiconductors.
Conclusion, we're screwed. This is why going solar while the going is good is so damn important. Anyone who ever argues with me otherwise (oh and there are loads of idiots that do) gets redirected to dev/null.
Way too expensive, even in the UK.
I would be interested but I can't afford to get one way communication that doesn't compete with the utilitarian Internet for 100 pounds a year.
Carmack/Stoltz, separated at birth?
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http://www.interactive.org/ima...
I definitely recommend LTO. A great format and reasonable speed (you should be able to restore this over the course of a few days via SCSI). If this guy has 20TB of data in racks, maybe it's not really too much of an investment. (It's also cheap to expand).
I think this is appropriate here:
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What the hell are you talking about? You want to call me a misogynist, you don't know SHIT about me.
Managers are going to insulate project against risk that someone might leave FOR ANY REASON. I'm talking there are two types of workers: Ones who are driven to work for the company and ones who want to work 9-5 and go home for to their families. It's a life choice, MALE or FEMALE.
I'm saying where I work, in terms of women, both groups are pretty equally represented. We have driven women, who receive the support they need to be promoted up to the highest levels and it's not just one. It's a huge distribution. Then we have women who are more home oriented, and they are well represented in my area (tech) as well. Managers are not going to select their next star project member from the latter group, men or women.
so seriously get off your high horse, and listen to what people are actually saying, not your ridiculous narrative of oppression and patriarchy.
But you won't be put on Project X that delivers next quarter either. There are trade offs to life choices, and Women are definitely at a disadvantage in this area no matter what the stats and laws say.
Personally in my experience my tech job is well represented with women who make choices to take a laid back approach to work for this reason. Furthermore I report to 7 managers, 4 of which are women right on up to the highest level. I think there is room for both archetypes.
The Facebook page does not. Facebook is international.
Thanks for the tip man! If and when I will do it, I will give this a try. I'd like to avoid a clean install if I can.
This is what I thought. Since the SSL bug doesn't effect me, but it will happen sooner or later.
First of All your history is wrong. Second of all I live in a Quebec border town. Third of all, just because a business resides in Quebec and maintains a Quebec storefront, doesn't mean your Facebook is your Quebec storefront, or even service.
If I wanted a Brazillian storefront, I'd put up a similar page on Orkut.
The data and "storefront" resides on US soil.
Facebook is an American storefront, not a Quebec one. I did not read the article but this seems very wrong indeed.