OK you got me with a pretty standard troll. Clearly I needed to blow off some steam and you fit the bill. I apologize for my language and insults as they are uncalled for in any respect.
I still don't like your approach to logic or what I stated. I was merely providing my professional opinion and experience with Open/Libre office on three different platforms (BSD, Solaris and Linux) in particular working with MS compatible files. I have almost 20 years of experience in my field. I'm not a genuis rockstar developer, but I support them and as such I've been around the block. This is where I am coming from when I say I suffered several major file corruption failures using Open Office with recent and up-to-date versions. I spent a good day or so attempting to recover what was left of my files (seemed to corrupt all in memory regardless of format, but occurs specially when I am working with MS compatible formats). Nothing in logs, no cores and of course hard to reproduce so no strace/truss. I have read countless forums where devs are resistant to aiding users in understanding similar issues, for obvious PEBCAK reasons, but the point of denying my amateur status was to demonstrate the unlikelihood of this. Do you suppose to force me to contribute to some trainwreck buzilla report where I will only be berated upon on my own time?
If not trolling, how on earth do expect that such a product is perfect!? It happens, and clearly something about OpenOffice is not quite up to snuff as I have never had problems working in MSWord formats, unless doing truly bizarre conversions yet had it happen 3 times in the past year with up-to-date versions. Of course this is completely expected since it's a well known and understood phenomenon when converting complex formats. Definitely unfortunate. But how can you believe one and not the other? If one exists bother are likely to exist as the root cause is error in writing foreign formats which may contain subtleties lost in future versions through buggy interpretation?
Please just accept that OpenOffice is not some panacea for free software. It's barely a good editor, has quirks of its own, and lacks some key MS innovations.
>Semester projects implying you are still an undergraduate student - yet you're a "pro" (at what you don't say) that manages a huge and apparently famous laboratory (we are expected to trust you on this apparently).
Yes I do, and yes I'd rather not share which one. (I run the build farm and health of the lab). Why would I want my/. nick attributable to my professional persona?
>Three times in how many years and on something as unreliable as an SD card and you have more than ONE THOUSAND servers that are "yours"? Once on an SD card in my personal netbook can you read?
\ >Total of two people involved with the problem despite you apparently running a huge and famous laboratory. What do you mean? You'd be surprised how few people it takes to run and be responsible for the health of thousands of unique systems these days. You'd be even more surprised as to how FEW we're forced to do it with.
>Good luck with your studies and after you finish you may not want to take up a job writing fiction, people expect it to be a bit more credible.
I haven't studied formally in years. My wife (if you could possibly read) was the one who lost her final semester project due to this "bug" (she is retraining). But no one goes back to school right?)
>I've never heard about problems like yours either. Has anybody connected with openoffice development (which I am not) heard of it? Did you bother to tell them?
No because I have wasted enough time. If you do look up for similar errors you get sneering devs. Frankly I get enough of that 60 hrs a week.
And I don't need it from you either DbIII. you should know better that "never hearing of something before" is not credible defense of a product with known and pervasive compatibility issues with MS formats BY DESIGN. How is my story so far fetched. It's about as farfetched as the idea of you having a neck-beard.
Really, for such a low/. # you're a pretty big fucktard.
I'm a pro that runs a gigantic development lab that makes a few things you probably use daily.. Because you've never seen it, you're going to tell me it doesn't happen? These are files right on my local harddisk. Everything that was open at the time. At first I thought it was my netbooks's flash memory, and then it happened again on the SDCARD. Then it happened to my wife's final project. Then it happened to me at work on my Mac 3 days before I was move my 1k+ server datacenter.
You know, I use so much open source, and yet I haven't managed to reach your level of zealotry. I use open office and a ton of derivatives and have for years and then this happened 3 times on 3 separate computers. I still use open office, but I only do in OpenDoc format. If I need to do any real excel work, I use my windows machine.
The one where OpenOffice automatically corrupts all open files at random and sufficiently spaced intervals when you deal with.DOC and.XLS formats.
It has happened to me on several different computers, UNIX and Mac, several times over the past few years. I've lost, entire inventories, entire semester projects (my wife actually lost all her notes and project), and also file sent to me from other users which had significant customer edits. Each time, any open files in MS formats = corrupted after save of just one file. Open any more files after this and they too will be corrupted. No, rebooting does not fix the problem.
I'm as progressive as anyone but at what point do we accept the cyclical nature of such things?
We accept the broad centralization/decentralization of other resources as a natural contraction/expansion cycle, we even at some point accept this on a macro economic level. I think your comment misses this point in reflection of the article. It's ok to loathe these cycles as they are not always convenient, but there have always been oligarchies and their always will be, it's a natural cycle of capitalism.
Three times in one year Libre/Open office has mangled my files- any file it touched during a short periods of being in an unknown state are completely blanked. Sort of like the stares in the help forums regarding this issue. LibreOffice has reliability problems. In 20 years MS Office has done no such thing to me./everyday corporate user.
Just because a manager or someone uses it wrongly does not mean it is a bad term.
>paradigm shift (hate that phrase - someone have a better one?)
No. It's a real paradigm shift in how we think about client-server relationships. Sometimes I refer to it as a pendulum, swinging back and forth between client and server lockdown. The same could be said of virtualization being the pendulum swinging back toward centralization after the decentralization party of the 90s.
Either way, you can still use paradigm shift and not sound like a moron. Just, you know, be careful to not overstate:D
This is very theoretical. In practice I've recovered data from Magnetic reel-to-reels made in the 80s without much issue. The biggest issue was getting the DGUX R2R to work again.
1) Build of products which rely on FF & xulrunner 10 2) Using Java-plug in based BCM/AMM modules breaks under FF11 and possibly 10. 3) Application pop-ups for IT systems, remote KVMs, for which Firefox is the only suitable browser that's not IE which operates correctly. (Chrome is almost too standards compliant, and these applications are long in the tooth but not replaceable at this time).
This has to be the dumbest proof I've ever read. I was seriously holding out for something mind blowing. I never thought it would as bad as this. (You do realize that improvements require resources?)
>4) The word "improvement" means that more wealth has been generated, by definition.
No it doesn't. I have improved a way of deploying Windows systems, but I cannot market it because I lack capital. Improvement dies on vine, generates no further wealth.
improvement/improovmnt/ Noun: An example or instance of improving or being improved. The action of improving or being improved: **"there's still room for improvement".**
There is always a time when something can no longer be improved. We have many scientific laws and proofs behind this. It usually boils down to Energy potential, diminishing returns, and entropy. But, I suppose there's always a way for you to generate wealth by improving ice. Perhaps you could do it by using less energy, but what happens when you no longer have energy to make ice? Well, we just stop using ice then. Of course that means we have to stop selling ice but problem solved, we've extracted all of the FINITE wealth and move on to another technique of wealth extraction (ie another resource/improvement).
I am not an ideologue. I do not disagree with anything you've stated here (but it seems with regard to the funeral director analogy, it is you whom has confused money with wealth).
>Infinite wealth is also obvious. If you really believe that wealth is finite, then you believe that we have no more wealth than a cave man? We have no more wealth than a settler in the old west?
Absolutely true, but I also have access to much cheaper and broader resources. I do not see how this relates to finite wealth vs infinite wealth. Having more wealth than other generations personally due to access to *suddenly* cheap hydrocarbons
>Please stop responding to me with ideology. If you are interested in thinking, we can discuss this.
I know this is slashdot, but GFY, with your ideologue crap. You haven't provided one iota of logic, only fallacy which supports your ideology. At least I'm walking through the mental gymnastics with you trying to understand. When you can't explain it all your resort to insults.
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Is this not an opportunity to compromise his devices? If they were mine, I'd probably bin them on the spot.
Could be a defensive cyberwarfare tactic, they're not so much interested in him but whom he may find himself talking to.
OK you got me with a pretty standard troll. Clearly I needed to blow off some steam and you fit the bill. I apologize for my language and insults as they are uncalled for in any respect.
I still don't like your approach to logic or what I stated. I was merely providing my professional opinion and experience with Open/Libre office on three different platforms (BSD, Solaris and Linux) in particular working with MS compatible files. I have almost 20 years of experience in my field. I'm not a genuis rockstar developer, but I support them and as such I've been around the block. This is where I am coming from when I say I suffered several major file corruption failures using Open Office with recent and up-to-date versions. I spent a good day or so attempting to recover what was left of my files (seemed to corrupt all in memory regardless of format, but occurs specially when I am working with MS compatible formats). Nothing in logs, no cores and of course hard to reproduce so no strace/truss. I have read countless forums where devs are resistant to aiding users in understanding similar issues, for obvious PEBCAK reasons, but the point of denying my amateur status was to demonstrate the unlikelihood of this. Do you suppose to force me to contribute to some trainwreck buzilla report where I will only be berated upon on my own time?
If not trolling, how on earth do expect that such a product is perfect!? It happens, and clearly something about OpenOffice is not quite up to snuff as I have never had problems working in MSWord formats, unless doing truly bizarre conversions yet had it happen 3 times in the past year with up-to-date versions. Of course this is completely expected since it's a well known and understood phenomenon when converting complex formats. Definitely unfortunate. But how can you believe one and not the other? If one exists bother are likely to exist as the root cause is error in writing foreign formats which may contain subtleties lost in future versions through buggy interpretation?
Please just accept that OpenOffice is not some panacea for free software. It's barely a good editor, has quirks of its own, and lacks some key MS innovations.
>Semester projects implying you are still an undergraduate student - yet you're a "pro" (at what you don't say) that manages a huge and apparently famous laboratory (we are expected to trust you on this apparently).
Yes I do, and yes I'd rather not share which one. (I run the build farm and health of the lab). Why would I want my /. nick attributable to my professional persona?
>Three times in how many years and on something as unreliable as an SD card and you have more than ONE THOUSAND servers that are "yours"?
Once on an SD card in my personal netbook can you read?
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>Total of two people involved with the problem despite you apparently running a huge and famous laboratory.
What do you mean? You'd be surprised how few people it takes to run and be responsible for the health of thousands of unique systems these days. You'd be even more surprised as to how FEW we're forced to do it with.
>Good luck with your studies and after you finish you may not want to take up a job writing fiction, people expect it to be a bit more credible.
I haven't studied formally in years. My wife (if you could possibly read) was the one who lost her final semester project due to this "bug" (she is retraining). But no one goes back to school right?)
>I've never heard about problems like yours either. Has anybody connected with openoffice development (which I am not) heard of it? Did you bother to tell them?
No because I have wasted enough time. If you do look up for similar errors you get sneering devs. Frankly I get enough of that 60 hrs a week.
And I don't need it from you either DbIII. you should know better that "never hearing of something before" is not credible defense of a product with known and pervasive compatibility issues with MS formats BY DESIGN. How is my story so far fetched. It's about as farfetched as the idea of you having a neck-beard.
Really, for such a low /. # you're a pretty big fucktard.
I'm a pro that runs a gigantic development lab that makes a few things you probably use daily.. Because you've never seen it, you're going to tell me it doesn't happen? These are files right on my local harddisk. Everything that was open at the time. At first I thought it was my netbooks's flash memory, and then it happened again on the SDCARD. Then it happened to my wife's final project. Then it happened to me at work on my Mac 3 days before I was move my 1k+ server datacenter.
You know, I use so much open source, and yet I haven't managed to reach your level of zealotry. I use open office and a ton of derivatives and have for years and then this happened 3 times on 3 separate computers. I still use open office, but I only do in OpenDoc format. If I need to do any real excel work, I use my windows machine.
The one where OpenOffice automatically corrupts all open files at random and sufficiently spaced intervals when you deal with .DOC and .XLS formats.
It has happened to me on several different computers, UNIX and Mac, several times over the past few years. I've lost, entire inventories, entire semester projects (my wife actually lost all her notes and project), and also file sent to me from other users which had significant customer edits. Each time, any open files in MS formats = corrupted after save of just one file. Open any more files after this and they too will be corrupted. No, rebooting does not fix the problem.
That's just in 2011/2012.
Key word, "today"
Comon mods, give the points to the person who made the funny- not to TheJokeExplainer
Someone wanting a test-run
It may be a fallacy but your idea of the purported "conservative ideology" is a recent thing. AC posted from some college campus somewhere.
I'm as progressive as anyone but at what point do we accept the cyclical nature of such things?
We accept the broad centralization/decentralization of other resources as a natural contraction/expansion cycle, we even at some point accept this on a macro economic level. I think your comment misses this point in reflection of the article. It's ok to loathe these cycles as they are not always convenient, but there have always been oligarchies and their always will be, it's a natural cycle of capitalism.
*rolls eyes* and I gave up my TV and cut the cable a decade ago.
To be fair its been almost 20 years since Word 95. I haven't had corruption since MSWord 6.
The point is of course, Libre office is WAY too often. It also mangles files simply by opening them for viewing.
Three times in one year Libre/Open office has mangled my files- any file it touched during a short periods of being in an unknown state are completely blanked. Sort of like the stares in the help forums regarding this issue. LibreOffice has reliability problems. In 20 years MS Office has done no such thing to me. /everyday corporate user.
I didn't realize India required much foreign aid.
In Australia, this is apparently a compliment, mate.
Ummm, if you are running Pentium IVs still, have you looked at your power bill lately?
You should be buying big rigs on the cheap and virtualizing 100s of Pentium IVs to a single modern 32-64 core cluster
I for one come here for the +5 insightful.
When +5 insightful is complaining about ads, you can bet it's already jumped the shark.
Just because a manager or someone uses it wrongly does not mean it is a bad term.
>paradigm shift (hate that phrase - someone have a better one?)
No. It's a real paradigm shift in how we think about client-server relationships. Sometimes I refer to it as a pendulum, swinging back and forth between client and server lockdown. The same could be said of virtualization being the pendulum swinging back toward centralization after the decentralization party of the 90s.
Either way, you can still use paradigm shift and not sound like a moron. Just, you know, be careful to not overstate :D
SunTV Canada, she's dead Jim.
This is very theoretical. In practice I've recovered data from Magnetic reel-to-reels made in the 80s without much issue. The biggest issue was getting the DGUX R2R to work again.
Just a few examples in my day to day:
1) Build of products which rely on FF & xulrunner 10
2) Using Java-plug in based BCM/AMM modules breaks under FF11 and possibly 10.
3) Application pop-ups for IT systems, remote KVMs, for which Firefox is the only suitable browser that's not IE which operates correctly. (Chrome is almost too standards compliant, and these applications are long in the tooth but not replaceable at this time).
This is what I said but we're know nothings!
I think its quite humorous that you believe your example required no resources. Also that you used "concrete" to describe your example.
This has to be the dumbest proof I've ever read. I was seriously holding out for something mind blowing. I never thought it would as bad as this. (You do realize that improvements require resources?)
>4) The word "improvement" means that more wealth has been generated, by definition.
No it doesn't. I have improved a way of deploying Windows systems, but I cannot market it because I lack capital. Improvement dies on vine, generates no further wealth.
improvement/improovmnt/
Noun:
An example or instance of improving or being improved.
The action of improving or being improved: **"there's still room for improvement".**
There is always a time when something can no longer be improved. We have many scientific laws and proofs behind this. It usually boils down to Energy potential, diminishing returns, and entropy. But, I suppose there's always a way for you to generate wealth by improving ice. Perhaps you could do it by using less energy, but what happens when you no longer have energy to make ice? Well, we just stop using ice then. Of course that means we have to stop selling ice but problem solved, we've extracted all of the FINITE wealth and move on to another technique of wealth extraction (ie another resource/improvement).
I am not an ideologue. I do not disagree with anything you've stated here (but it seems with regard to the funeral director analogy, it is you whom has confused money with wealth).
>Infinite wealth is also obvious. If you really believe that wealth is finite, then you believe that we have no more wealth than a cave man? We have no more wealth than a settler in the old west?
Absolutely true, but I also have access to much cheaper and broader resources. I do not see how this relates to finite wealth vs infinite wealth. Having more wealth than other generations personally due to access to *suddenly* cheap hydrocarbons
>Please stop responding to me with ideology. If you are interested in thinking, we can discuss this.
I know this is slashdot, but GFY, with your ideologue crap. You haven't provided one iota of logic, only fallacy which supports your ideology. At least I'm walking through the mental gymnastics with you trying to understand. When you can't explain it all your resort to insults.