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India Test Fires Long-Range, Nuke-Capable Missile
An anonymous reader writes "India has successfully test fired a long-range, nuke-capable missile. Named after Hindu God of fire 'Agni', the ICBM is capable of hitting targets in China, East Africa and parts of Europe. With a successful launch of the missile, India joins an elite group of nations with long-range weapons. 'The BBC's Andrew North in Delhi says Indian officials deny it, but everyone believes the missile is mainly aimed at deterring China. A spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry, Liu Weimin, said his country was not threatened by the test. ... It was only launched once officials were sure they had the best weather conditions — so this was as much a demonstration as a real test, to show India's rivals that it has this kind of capability.'"
India invents the "V2"?
What are they fighting about again?
Its a wonderful day in the neighborhood....
Let's just get this straight.
So North Korea, a despot nation with no natural resources and maybe, perhaps, who the hell actually knows, may just have a nuclear weapon but we're not totally sure if they actually work, fire a "missile" and everyone is pissed.
India, a populous and relatively rich nation with a known nuclear capability, which has been to war with it's neighbour who also has a known nuclear capability, fires it's missile and we don't bat an eyelid?
What the fuck?
Some time like 1974 or 1975, China did similar tests. So the gap is, hmmm, let's say 35 years.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
The more players in the game of M.A.D., the better.
From TFA, a spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry, Liu Weimin, said "China and India are large developing nations. We are not competitors but partners."
I say bullshit.
India is a nation that shows respect to all other nations North Korea is not.
It's a huge poverty stricken country. It can't even provide food and clean water adequately (and don't get me started on the filth of their healthcare system). Yet they have enough funds to pay for this stuff. Great work and good priorities India!
Before one of the scientists/engineers involved sells the tech to North Korea and don't say it wouldn't happen how do you think NK got nuclear tech in the 1st place!
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
let me guess..
umm.. Islamabad is rolling out its 3-stage peeshooter next.. named "Ache-me"
We engaged in nuclear cooperation with India, abrogating our obligations under the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. So, now India is in the drivers seat in regard to our relations with China. Basically, there is nothing we can say. India has carte blanche. We should end nuclear cooperation with them immediately.
Stop acting like this is fair, the ones who got there first are the ones who decides who has these weapons and who doesn't. This "Oh but we have nukes! why do we get nukes and no one else does?" is old and just shows off your bleeding heart and inability to understand how things work on the world stage. India isn't run by a, like stated above, a batshit leader who is constantly threatening their neighbors. I say more power to them, they can have their rockets.
Excuse me, I didn't get it. Are you talking about India or the USA?
India is a country surrounded by Pakistan, China, and nearby N. Korea, and other countries who are horribly oppressive, violent and aggressive regimes. They are also currently harboring the Tibetan government in exile; which royally pisses China off.
Time will tell if this was a good idea but from a strategic point of view, I have to agree with their decision.
And don't forget - public protests can be the polar opposite of what's said behind closed doors. Especially, when you need to keep amicable relations with all sides.
Dude your forgetting India is where we dump our e-waste. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2071920,00.html
What did you think they would do with it?
BR> They also have built the first fully functional 35$ computer (keybaord, monitor, os,etc) , before the raspberry pie (you have to provide monitor, keyboard, etc). http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/10/india-introduces-the-aakash-a-35-dollar-tablet-computer.html
Sure they seem haphazard in their ways http://lh6.ggpht.com/-UhCp2pPblI0/R-1DtL5owuI/AAAAAAAABEw/ZSn9PR4RDCs/P1040295.JPG
But they are a head of a few things, regardless of how they do things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourced_(TV_series)
I like your enthusiasm XD
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
North Korea had just signed a agreement not to test weapons – which specifically included not testing long range missiles for “scientific purposes” in exchange for food aid. The ink was not even dry when they 1. launched the missiles and 2. said there would be dire repercussions if the U.S. did not deliver on the food aid.
The rationality and stability of the North Korea regime is very different then that of India.
North Korea and Iran Must be given nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them anywhere on earth they desire because we hate America, the West and of course Israel.
Hmm, the same can be said about parts of China and the USA too...
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
It's a huge poverty stricken country. It can't even provide food and clean water adequately (and don't get me started on the filth of their healthcare system). Yet they have enough funds to pay for this stuff. Great work and good priorities India!
India is not what is shown in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, we don't eat monkey brains. We are not poor, some may be poor. We have largest gold in reserve. Stop telling that Indians are poor
Absolutely good work on their priorities.
Let India get technology for balistic flights, nuclear weapons, and (hopefully) set up a permanent colony on the moon.
Knowledge should be shared, and India is a relatively stable democracy. Why not them?
(If they spent all their money feeding the poor, they wouldn't have a major worldwide tech center in Bangalore.)
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
I watch China tv on free satellite once in a while, CCTV4 English, and find it amusing when they refer to the 'Liberation of Tibet' - Liberation? From What? The iron fisted oppressive dictatorial rule of the Dalai Lama ???
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I have read this bullshit before. India had a GDP of 1.73 trillion dollars last year, of this it spend 36 billion on R&D including this one. So you are saying its wrong to spend less than 2 cents of every dollar you make on protecting yourself. Not only that, this tech also is related to satellite launch market, which is quite lucrative. India also launches and makes money on that.
So don't buy your LED TV, smartphone, Laptop until you pay off your mortgage, that is wrong priorities by your logic. Furthermore, dare you get a gun or a security system in your house until your mortgage and debt are paid off.
What rubbish!
India is not what is shown in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, we don't eat monkey brains
Aigh! I've been looking forward to Indian monkey brains my whole life and now you go and let me down!
They can thank about a hundred years of British rule for driving them in to poverty. India was among the wealthiest countries on earth until the British showed up and proceeded to siphon trillions of dollars (in today's terms) of raw wealth like gold, precious metals, and gems, from them. Want to see a small example of India's former wealth? Look no further than the crown that sat upon the late Queen Elizabeth's head. The world would look totally different today if Britain wasn't able to steal from India to help get them through two world wars.
India's continued investment to prove that they can keep up with powerful western nations will only help prop up their nation as a whole, and help lift all out of poverty over time. Count the poor on the streets of Bangalore (a major IT hub), and compare it with other Indian cities that haven't see the same level of investment, like Calcutta, and you'll see what first hand what it can do.
"False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
Have you ever been to India?
Countering existential threat = "ridiculous pissing contest"?
Well, I suppose Cold War was essentially a "ridiculous pissing contest" as well in a hindsight. Didn't stop it from almost wiping humanity from face of a planet a couple of times.
it is not the governments job to feed you. you are responsible for yourself.
Have you ever been to Baltimore?
We are not poor, some may be poor. Stop telling that Indians are poor
340 Million Indians live in extreme poverty. There's a decent percent of population that doesn't live in extreme poverty but ignoring them doesn't help (or fool) anybody.
We have largest gold in reserve
Actually you still have to catch up to Germany, but this will serve you well in the future. At least the people who don't die of malnutrition in the meantime.
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Just look at the recession, stagnant economy, burst real estate bubble and massive youth unemployment. Oops, wrong country.
utter rubbish blah blah ...trillions of dollars (in today's terms) ... blah blah
I think you mean billions (in today's terms) rather than trillions.
it is not the governments job to feed you. you are responsible for yourself.
Some of us also think we're responsible for our fellow man. When the government takes money from the people to build weapons they don't need, that money is no longer available to either feed the poor directly or create jobs or infrastructure for them to feed themselves.
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Hey why not?
There's no denying India has a long way to go, but those who follow her history know that she has come a long way. Instead of turning into basket cases like Pakistan and Bangladesh, India has maintained a civil, democratic government even in the face of substantial hardship. Unlike so many other of the former British possessions India has not turned into a basket case, and has steadily been improving.
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It's not like Indians can afford any of this stuff either.
India has a huge trade and budget deficit (i.e. more money is leaving the country than coming in).
And give me a break, almost none of these systems are "Indian" achievements. ...
This is more like a Russian rocket than Indian. As are "Indian" nuclear submarines. "Indian" Sukhoi. "Indian" Rafale,
Indians can't even build a satisfactory infantry rifle. See the soon to be scrapped INSAS rifle.
newspapers reported that america redoubled its position against nuclear proliferation across the globe. A swift and decisively negative condemnation was issued from the global superpower.
directed toward iran.
Good people go to bed earlier.
well I wonder why US government wouldn't condemn this country :
Lets see....
Country that borders and has fought wars with other country that you consider future rival or threat (China) : check
Country that is rival to another country (Pakistan) that you've been trying to arm-twist into cooperation lately: check
Country that is a potential customer for your weapons & planes, to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars: check
Country where a large number of your biggest companies have assets & customers : check
Country which is one of the most lucrative and growing markets for some of your biggest consumer products : check
Country far from your shore and so posing no real threat: check
Country with real democracy and no history of military coups, civils wars, turbulent anarchy : check
Country with generally sensible political leadership (well, within the limits of politics, anyway), who you can civilly talk to and negotiate with: check
Yes, I think I can see why US government wouldn't give a shit about this missile launch ..
And people in the US will die from overeating crappy food...
you are wrong. get your hand out of my pocket. I have a wife and children to take care of, those *are* my responsibility. parasites and thieves who think I owe them money can die.
You know, I've always wondered why (in the original series at least) there seemed to be few, if any Indians or Chinese for that matter.
Then I remembered a line that Spock once said that went something like "the 15 million dead from WWI, the 60 million in WWII or the 600 million in WWIII". (He was talking about the stupidity of mankind after Kirk's boasting).
Then the movie "Star Trek: First Contact" came out which was supposedly set in North America after a big war(?) had impoverished the populace but hadn't reduced the country to radioactive cinders.
I never read any of the "official" (or unofficial) histories but I was wondering; was a nuclear war supposed to have taken place, not between the U.S. and USSR but in Asia? Between India and China perhaps?
(I'm glad to have gone to see the Taj Mahal last year; I've always thought that if Pakistan and India went to all out war, it would be the first to go.)
Ok, ok I realize that probably the real reason for the dearth of these nationalities was probably due to the script choices of Gene Roddenberry or some casting decisions but I was wondering if there was any justification after the fact. Anyway, if so I hope life DOESN'T follow art!
No, I meant trillions. It was over two billion British pounds of raw wealth goods before the 1920's, cumulative over 150+ years, with a lot of the wealth drain coming early on, which works out to well over a trillion dollars if you normalize over that period and adjust for inflation. And that's just for trade deficit to Britain for raw goods and precious metals. It does not include the fact that up to 40% of India's entire budget was spent on their military, which was under British control at the time, and was "the backbone of the power of the British empire". Yes, Britain did some good things in India, but it was a huge net loss for them. You can start reading about it here, and work your way out from there. An AC using a term like "utter rubbish".. heh... I don't know many people outside the UK who use terms like that ;-)
"False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
you are wrong
No, you have poor reading comprehension. Try again.
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Detroitistan?
Have gnu, will travel.
AGNI means fire in many Indian languages. The word also refers to the god of fire "Agni". Slashdot description "Named after Hindu God of fire Agni" - is misleading and insinuates some type of religious weaponry. It is like saying Saree is a Hindu dress...Saree is an Indian dress.
Hinduism is more of a way of life than a religion. And India has the largest number of Muslims after Indonesia. The 2% of Christians will be more than 20 million - much more than many European nations. This plurality one should not forget.
In fact the chief scientist of AGNI mission - Tessy Thomas - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessy_Thomas - is from my state Kerala. She is a Christian and she named her son Tejas - a Hindu name. I am a Christian, but my name is Hindu.
Try to understand the complexity...generalizing a complex country is the basic mistake Western journalists make about India.
Tat Tvam Asi
You are broke / poor. But you have some money left. And you have a family.
Given these choices, what would you do?
1. Spend all the money to feed your family, it will be sufficient for a few years.
2. Or Start a business with that money, so your family can be rich forever.
it is not the governments job to feed you. you are responsible for yourself.
Does that still hold true when you have 1.5+ billion people? You know what? The government's "job" is whatever the people decide it's job is. There is no absolute truth written in stone about what a government should or shouldn't do. Governments are the creations of humans, and humans decide what a government does.
2. Or Start a business with that money, while conveniently ignoring things like business risk, ROI analyses, opportunity costs, and expecting to immediately reach breakeven point in your business, all while the magic unicorn feeds your family, so your family can be rich forever.
FTFY.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
Yes and compared to most of the world, Baltimore feeds and waters the vast majority of our population. OTOH, in India, you will find that most infant death is from diarrhea caused by unsanitary water. Likewise, you have ppl eating their own fecal matter just because they are so hungry. In NK and even in India, they strip the bark from trees to make soups so as to put something in their stomach. So, what issues do you see similar in USA?
Or are you just an asshole that has never been outside of the west and have absolutely NO idea of how bad things really can get?
"India has successfully test fired a long-range, nuke-capable missile. Named after Hindu God of fire 'Agni',
Why does this worry me?
...who is getting tired of everyone wanting/having to have nukes, or the capability of launching nuclear payloads? Did nobody learn from the cold war?
Thank's for bringing this up.. war with 2 most peaceful nation's of world pakist* n chin*a ..u sure joke alot
Are you an idiot or what? Before the British came, Indians were in the medieval age. Most people were dirt poor and only the kings and nawabs were rich. Babur the first Mughal emperor of India in his book the Baburnama wrote about how poor the common people in India were. India's per capita income actually increased during British rule. Sati, child marriage, the Thugees, slavery etc... were eradicated by the Brits. Modern hygiene and medicine were brought by the British too. India also got a lot of money from the U.K. during independence and after the 2nd world war.
Nice sentiment. Too bad it has been proven time and time again that it only works for those who are wealthy enough to hide behind walled gardens and personal security while the rest of society goes to hell.
I for one am glad to live in a nation where even if my neighbor is the most useless sack of shit ever, his children won't have to go out and steal from my children but will instead have access to education and healthcare so as to be able to carve out a life for themselves.
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
Warning: war is approaching in the east
Depends on whether you are using the Billion = 10E9 or the Billion = 10E12/Billiard=10E9 system.
but mine are batting 1000 right now
If by that you mean horribly horribly corrupt, then yes you are correct.
Oh well it has worked for the US so far I suppose. I guess it isn't in the megawealthy corporate thieves best interest to have a nuclear war either...
Don't worry about it, its just for launching satellites!
They did try to surrender peacefully, sort of, however it was not agreed to. They sued for conditional surrender, which would keep the Emperor as the figurehead leader of Japan. The US wanted an unconditional surrender, politically they could accept nothing less. I think the bombs convinced the Emperor that he would be the leader of ashes if they didn't relent (however even after bomb #1 they refused).
'The BBC's Andrew North in Delhi says Indian officials deny it, but everyone believes the missile is mainly aimed at deterring China.
Obviously this greenlights Cuba to acquire it's own nuke and ICBM aimed at deterring America.
you're using 'gay' as a pejorative? what is this, middle school?
Uh, okay, this is some bullshit.
North Korea is a piece of shit, granted, and they don't have any realistic purpose for an orbiting satellite, so their recent (failed) launch test was more than likely a cover for ICBM capabilities and nobody on Earth besides Jong-Il and maybe China wants North Korea to have an ICBM.
But we can't just (rightly) condemn the shit out of North Korea for their launch and then just go "ooohh, aahhh, how Leet tis this venture today, ooohh, silver spoon up my ass with a stick of butter, aahhh."
"Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
I'm going to go way out on a limb and predict that he will leave office either in January of 2013 or 2017
Uhh. Given the two-term limit, I'd say that's a fairly safe bet...
... and every combat rifle designed by every Western country worked perfectly from the first attempt right?
* XM29 OICW (USA)
* XM8 (USA)
* Steyr ACR (Austria)
* H&K G11 (Germany)
* Armtech C30R (Austria)
Every manufacturer has to go through a learning curve before the products can compete against the best of the world. The only way to fail is to not try at all.
Oh, come on, yes you dooooo.... you all eat monkey brains and human hearts all the time. You all live in either deserts or in jungle mudpits, or temples and treasure-laden skyscrapers. You speak English with English accents and maintain archaic English terms like "by jove". Somewhere in your country is an ancient Masonic cult guarding a substantial amount of gold, and somewhere else in your country is an ancient Kali-worshipping cult that sends people to the lava. Just admit it.
"Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
An AC using a term like "utter rubbish".. heh... I don't know many people outside the UK who use terms like that ;-)
Awesome, now I know how to sound like I'm from the UK.
Dude you are enforcing my point. ...) never deployed in large numbers any of their investigative experimental forays you indicated.
The difference being everyone of (USA, Germany, Austria,
The INSAS rifle however is NOT an experiment, but a mass produced and deployed decades long failure, soon to be scrapped.
It also doesn't take away the fact almost every key technology in the "Indian" arsenal is foreign in design-manufacture.
And don't beg for money for food and medicine etc when you've pissed it all away on nuclear weapons and long distance rockets that you're never going to use. If any of these shitty little countries who've scraped together enough money for a handful of nuclear weapons ever uses them they're going to get every single city destroyed by the end of the same day so what's the point?
Time to outsource our WMDs to India!!
Rule #1: Nuclear weapons for democracies only.
Rule #2: Fast learn rule #1.
Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about non-democracies that already have nukes, but that should be the general rule. I have zero concern about the arsenals of India, or France, or the UK. It would have been fine with me if post-apartheid South Africa had kept theirs. I wouldn't bat an eye if, say, Sweden or Taiwan or Chile decided to develop some. North Korea and Iran are in a completely-different category.
Yes, I realize this is a missile we're talking about, but the reason we're talking about them is that they can carry warheads.
"The Greens lynched a hacker in Chicago. Last month, but I think the body's still hanging from the old Water Tower."
Why don't you move to Somalia?
raw wealth like gold, precious metals, and gems
Those aren't wealth: they're trinkets, with no practical value.
Forget about all these pointless expenditures.
Every fucken Indian wants to move to the west cuz their own country is a third world shithole.
Pretty soon there will be nobody left in India to defend.
I didn't realize India required much foreign aid.
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progress happens in every field parallely. its a whole fucking country. do you think we need to work on only one thing at a time? because that would be stupid.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
statement by our finance minister over the recent debate in uk about giving aid to india:
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fsol%2Fhomepage%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F4109514%2FIndia-minister-Brit-aid-is-peanuts.html&ei=7TeST-PpOciJrAeYpMz6BA&usg=AFQjCNGwT57CQFFkcfW_aoLZw8Y8YGQ9zA&sig2=jTRp3ibnSFuybvqvUmqTSw
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fire_in_anger
"Fire in anger" is a military term that uses the word 'anger' non-literally.
1 is the standard argument why using the A-bombs made sense. (along with deterring Russia and the fact that we were leveling cities conventionally anyway)
2 is new to me.
3 is an example of WWII Japan's suicidal stubbornness.
Yeah, I can see how the nuke decision made sense at least at the time.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Either threaten India with total nuclear destruction or STFU about North Korea and Iran.
Privacy is terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Dynasty
Casteism
Portuguese/French/British "created" India in 1505 by integrating 500+ Independent Kingdoms aka Princely States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Indian_history
Casteism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
Casteism
India Test Missile, North Korea Test Missile, almost everyone Test Missile but Iran DON'T Test any Missile and US want their oil fields.
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LOL - what a moron you are! People eating their own fecal matter - where the fuck did you pick that up from, dickwad?