Yup. If NY can make a case that mentioning out space aliens can evoke xenophobia (or whatever the fear of the week is) and exclude such questions; it shouldn't be very long before math is banned because it elicits anxiety and inadequacy. Heaven forbid that doing anything should stir up emotion. I think we need to take a look at banning everything. Good lord, the color blue is supposed to activate melancholia or something, shouldn't it be banned?
Saying "Black guys are all cunts" could indeed put you in the slammer, if you broadcast it in such a way that you are going to encourage other people to say similar words of racial hatred.
I have a problem with that. Suppose I say that as a black man? Do I still get put in jail?
Not for saying what I said, read it carefully. You MIGHT be prosecuted for stating a direct intent to kill the president, but not for making a flip comment.
I'm saying no such thing, not too sure where you're getting I think there are any limits to speech, I think you're picking gnats out of batshit, I AGREE, the bill of rights is a limit for Government. But you keep on keeping on, as long as your happy.
Then you better tell it to the architects of this thing. I'm not condemning or boosting, just reporting. Although I do believe simply paying higher wages to a workforce that demands them when people are willing to do the same job overseas for less is an unsustainable business model.
The connector word "or" indicates indeed, yes, it does. Pretty Basic English. Your right, it is pretty plain.
Its astounding to me how your reading this thing and completely missing the point. Let me ask you this; so who, exactly, does the bill of rights protect the people from, if not the Government? Its a bill of general, existence rights or something? No, its a bill of rights that the government will not abridge. You don't grant one right, and then in the same sentence, say "or another right" that has nothing to do with the rest of the sentence, that doesn't make sense. These are a list of things, taken as a whole, CONGRESS shall not do.
You are incorrect. The bill of rights does nothing more than protect the american people from the american government. Anything else is YOUR crazy interpretation. YOU stop it. You're way off on this.
There is a good point here. It may also be useful to point out that it has been the goal of the United States as national policy has been capitalizing China since the 70's, so its not like the dragon suddenly roared up and bit us on the ass in a surprise move. Except to the US workers, who've not been included in the logistics of this thing. Americans grouse about this and complain that jobs are going to Asia and all that. But the plain fact of the matter is that China is a huge market. If you give it money it will spend it. That's been the plan all along since Nixon was there in '72.
But free speech is not limited to speech about the government,
Incorrect. Legal scholars have addressed this point, the limitation is specifically a control on the limits of government. The bill of rights is a protection for the people against the government, nothing more. The government in question of the bill of rights is the US government, no other. How do you get "any government"? How do you not get this? This was all covered in civics class in grad school., at least the one I went to.
Ok, I used the word "government" instead of congress. THAT invalidates EVERYTHING I SAID and makes the point, which is actually SIMILAR to yours, COMPLETELY INVALID. I think you need a life.
Yeah, we get it. So if I say "black guys are all cunts", that's ok. If I say "attack all black guys", that's not. If I say "kill all black guys", I go to jail. I get it. What if I say (as a British subject) "Kill David Cameron", I go to jail. Now what if I say "Damn Cameron, his policy on blacks is killing me. I could just kill him.", do I go directly to jail? If so, you don'e see a tiny problem there?
Except in the case where an backwoods little shit English colony didn't particularly care to be taxed to pay for a war with the French in Canada and when it expressed its opinion was told to keep quiet. Apparently, she forgot about another revolution that happened about 120 years after the New Model Army marched all over your precious laws.
I'm fairly sure that the US has laws against slander, libel, shouting "fire!" in a crowded subway when there is none, advertising medicine as cure for cancer when there is no evidence, etc etc.
Slander and libel have very narrow definitions so their not over used, we actually don't have a lot of problems with people using them to shout down other opinions or dissent. Same thing with the Chinese fire drill scenario. Yes, people who sell bogus products get prosecuted. The main point here is that we are still floored by your continued defense of YOUR laws that condemn speech. This particular news item is most certainly not libel, fire drill or false advertising. Its opinion. How can you be so scared of one man's opinion?
I see no difference. He can yell at people all day on a street corner here in the US to take up arms and kill all Chinese babies. You really think that's going to incite people to actually do that? If that's the case in Briton you people have serious problems. No only is he protected in doinf it here, he'd be looked at as insane. I guess you guys as a people have the very real danger of scratching your heads and saying "You know, that fellow is making sense.", so the Gov. needs to protect you from that, apparently.
Um, actually, you do. In the US Bill Of Rights the 1st amendment specifically says the government shall not abridge the rights of people to print, say, sing, paint, or dance anything they say about the government.
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Yup. If NY can make a case that mentioning out space aliens can evoke xenophobia (or whatever the fear of the week is) and exclude such questions; it shouldn't be very long before math is banned because it elicits anxiety and inadequacy. Heaven forbid that doing anything should stir up emotion. I think we need to take a look at banning everything. Good lord, the color blue is supposed to activate melancholia or something, shouldn't it be banned?
Brilliant.
Saying "Black guys are all cunts" could indeed put you in the slammer, if you broadcast it in such a way that you are going to encourage other people to say similar words of racial hatred.
I have a problem with that. Suppose I say that as a black man? Do I still get put in jail?
I'm with you on this 100%.
Mod parent up.
I didn't address content either. what are you talking about??
I don't have to read it again because I didn't make any points about content!! WTF are you blathering on about? I think you need to re-read my post.
Until then we can use Encryption Manager.
Not for saying what I said, read it carefully. You MIGHT be prosecuted for stating a direct intent to kill the president, but not for making a flip comment.
I'm saying no such thing, not too sure where you're getting I think there are any limits to speech, I think you're picking gnats out of batshit, I AGREE, the bill of rights is a limit for Government. But you keep on keeping on, as long as your happy.
Then you better tell it to the architects of this thing. I'm not condemning or boosting, just reporting. Although I do believe simply paying higher wages to a workforce that demands them when people are willing to do the same job overseas for less is an unsustainable business model.
The connector word "or" indicates indeed, yes, it does. Pretty Basic English. Your right, it is pretty plain.
Its astounding to me how your reading this thing and completely missing the point. Let me ask you this; so who, exactly, does the bill of rights protect the people from, if not the Government? Its a bill of general, existence rights or something? No, its a bill of rights that the government will not abridge. You don't grant one right, and then in the same sentence, say "or another right" that has nothing to do with the rest of the sentence, that doesn't make sense. These are a list of things, taken as a whole, CONGRESS shall not do.
You are incorrect. The bill of rights does nothing more than protect the american people from the american government. Anything else is YOUR crazy interpretation. YOU stop it. You're way off on this.
There is a good point here. It may also be useful to point out that it has been the goal of the United States as national policy has been capitalizing China since the 70's, so its not like the dragon suddenly roared up and bit us on the ass in a surprise move. Except to the US workers, who've not been included in the logistics of this thing. Americans grouse about this and complain that jobs are going to Asia and all that. But the plain fact of the matter is that China is a huge market. If you give it money it will spend it. That's been the plan all along since Nixon was there in '72.
China is decades behind (in some areas), and can benefit a lot from acquiring foreign IP.
So... stealing IP from the US and giving it to China is some kind of Robin Hood Move?
But free speech is not limited to speech about the government,
Incorrect. Legal scholars have addressed this point, the limitation is specifically a control on the limits of government. The bill of rights is a protection for the people against the government, nothing more. The government in question of the bill of rights is the US government, no other. How do you get "any government"? How do you not get this? This was all covered in civics class in grad school., at least the one I went to.
Um, how does "Congress shall not abridge freedom of speech (plus several other things)" translate to "no mention"? Are you people high?
Ok, I used the word "government" instead of congress. THAT invalidates EVERYTHING I SAID and makes the point, which is actually SIMILAR to yours, COMPLETELY INVALID. I think you need a life.
Um, we're in agreement here.. how did you read the opposite of what I said?
Good, ONE decent man.
Yeah, we get it. So if I say "black guys are all cunts", that's ok. If I say "attack all black guys", that's not. If I say "kill all black guys", I go to jail. I get it. What if I say (as a British subject) "Kill David Cameron", I go to jail. Now what if I say "Damn Cameron, his policy on blacks is killing me. I could just kill him.", do I go directly to jail? If so, you don'e see a tiny problem there?
English law must be doing something right.
Except in the case where an backwoods little shit English colony didn't particularly care to be taxed to pay for a war with the French in Canada and when it expressed its opinion was told to keep quiet. Apparently, she forgot about another revolution that happened about 120 years after the New Model Army marched all over your precious laws.
The freedom of speech argument is bogus.
That's your opinion.
I'm fairly sure that the US has laws against slander, libel, shouting "fire!" in a crowded subway when there is none, advertising medicine as cure for cancer when there is no evidence, etc etc.
Slander and libel have very narrow definitions so their not over used, we actually don't have a lot of problems with people using them to shout down other opinions or dissent. Same thing with the Chinese fire drill scenario. Yes, people who sell bogus products get prosecuted. The main point here is that we are still floored by your continued defense of YOUR laws that condemn speech. This particular news item is most certainly not libel, fire drill or false advertising. Its opinion. How can you be so scared of one man's opinion?
I see no difference. He can yell at people all day on a street corner here in the US to take up arms and kill all Chinese babies. You really think that's going to incite people to actually do that? If that's the case in Briton you people have serious problems. No only is he protected in doinf it here, he'd be looked at as insane. I guess you guys as a people have the very real danger of scratching your heads and saying "You know, that fellow is making sense.", so the Gov. needs to protect you from that, apparently.
Um, actually, you do. In the US Bill Of Rights the 1st amendment specifically says the government shall not abridge the rights of people to print, say, sing, paint, or dance anything they say about the government.