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Richard Clarke: All Major U.S. Firms Hacked By China
bdking writes "Former White House cybersecurity advisor Richard Clarke says state-sanctioned Chinese hackers are stealing R&D from U.S. companies, threatening the long-term competitiveness of the nation. He said, 'The U.S. government is involved in espionage against other governments. There’s a big difference, however, between the kind of cyberespionage the United States government does and China. The U.S. government doesn’t hack its way into Airbus and give Airbus the secrets to Boeing [many believe that Chinese hackers gave Boeing secrets to Airbus]. We don’t hack our way into a Chinese computer company like Huawei and provide the secrets of Huawei technology to their American competitor Cisco. [He believes Microsoft, too, was a victim of a Chinese cyber con game.] We don’t do that. ... We hack our way into foreign governments and collect the information off their networks. The same kind of information a CIA agent in the old days would try to buy from a spy. ... Diplomatic, military stuff but not commercial competitor stuff.'"
The US is reconstructing thoughts from business execs all over the planet, stealing business information 24/7.
Yeah, it is not as though the US uses its own signals intelligence agency to spy on foreign businesses and pass R&D secrets to domestic firms...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Controversy
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Bla bla foreign threats bla bla patriotism.
Having worked for a few firms in the IT division, I can say this isn't surprising...at all. Between clueless management and the inability to grasp IT's value and contribution to a company, it'd have been news if they HADN'T been cracked wide open.
When you mix in outsourcing, the argument can almost be made that this is exactly what these firms WANT to happen.
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It's called a war , deal with it, it won't change, it has never changed.
I think that makes this Richard Clarke guy a lying sack of shit. Seriously.
Haa Haa. Whot a load of bollocks. (To quote from 2&0.5men)
You do so. When you can. Your concern about chinese hardware as a security risk is also because you know you do that too. But saying that would sent the wrong message. Your the good guys, right. Good luck with that storyline, I here there's a sailor down the the dock with a pipe who's buying.
The government routinely shares information with its defense contractors. Where that information comes from? The corporation does not ask.
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...we don't do the same kind of spying they do. Our spying is okay, theirs is evil.
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Well done for pointing that one out, though. :D
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Yeah its underhanded and shitty, but if we keep playing by the same rules, awe shouldn’t be surprised when nations life china surpass us. I’m not saying I agree with their practices at all, but this is a new reality that needs to be accepted and overcome.
Did he just admit that his government hacks into other governments computer systems to steal diplomatic and military secrets? Did obama not say that cyber warfare like that is testimount to an act of war? If it's not and its ok for them to do it why are they trying to get that uk civilian hacker Gary Mckinnon for doing the same thing to them and saying its wrong and illegal when he did it to them but not when they do it themselves?
Is corporate America going to stop doing business in/with China? I don't think so...
Yeah, we just overthrow governments and set up their elected officials to take the blame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
I'm wondering when/if a U.S. company is going to sue China and go after their assets. Namely the Chinese government's stake in U.S. debt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
Clarke is either wrong or lying. It is documented that the CIA spies on Airbus to help Boeing get contracts.
Those are the words of somebody who is feeling more than just a tad defensive, and trying to justify their own actions because of how they know it would look.
I'm not saying he was lying, but from where I sit, it sure looked like he was just trying to make excuses.
It just seems to scream points #7, #9, and #14 from this list, and raises some red flags, at least.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
This is what we get when we get too friendly with nations that are still despotic in nature, reserving freedom for the few businesses and not the many. They are used to take away freedom from people under the canard of "competitiveness", something that is only used to wash the blood from indefensible actions.
Shame we can't have a national security directive to kill offshoring - since it is about the only thing that can kill this for good. It may not be the cleanest answer, but it is the one that cuts the lobbyists out of the equation. If we want offshoring, it cannot be in the current form - a form that is only used as retribution for successes and security gained by First World citizens. It must be in a form that clearly prioritizes citizens of all skill levels first for hiring and training (to get rid of the skill-level complaints) for long-term & direct hire jobs (to obliterate the permatemp culture); it cannot be simply a way to exact concessions in the name of Ricardian economics.
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...spy on its own country and try to put everyone in a jail cell.
If you can't control them, jail them. T'is the American way me laddy!
'The U.S. government is involved in espionage against other governments. There’s a big difference, however, between the kind of cyberespionage the United States government does and China.
Kinda like
'The U.S. government is involved in torture against non US citizens There’s a big difference, however, between the kind of torture the United States government does and China.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Excuse me sir, we don't spy on your business, nor on your private life, we are honest spies!!!
This so called "cybersecurity advisor" is either naive or a blatantly liar...
***Game Over***Insert Coin***
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/820758.stm
The first came from a Baltimore Sun report which said the European consortium Airbus lost a $6bn contract with Saudi Arabia after NSA found Airbus officials were offering kickbacks to a Saudi official.
The paper said the agency "lifted all the faxes and phone-calls between Airbus, the Saudi national airline and the Saudi Government" to gain this information.
And this is only the part they had to make public so that Airbus lose. How much more does the NSA knows?
the grass is green and the sky is blue.
<gripe> I mean really, what else do you expect. Don't outsource design and manufacturing to China like so many US companies have done. Cylon kill switches anyone?
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Yeah, the red Chinese are utterly morally bankrupt at an individual, as well as a national level. I've seen how mainland Chinese operate, up close and personal. And the West has had decades to wake up to the threat from the rising superpower that always refuses to play by the rules.
Part of me says that the US corporate Right are full of weak, greedy idiots. And weak, greedy idiots always come a cropper sooner or later. The trouble with this situation, is that the corporate Right, in their weakness and folly, will take the West down with them. Whether it's gaming regulators, dismantling institutions, undermining government, or engaging in outright corruption, they match the Chinese in their immorality, but don't share the Chinese' rat-cunning, sense of patriotism, loyalty to their own culture -- or sense of self-preservation.
Doesn't excuse the behaviour of the Chinese though. They need to be given a bloody nose.
I don't doubt that a lot of cyber-spying is going on, but also note that Clarke is now CEO of Good Harbor Consulting, which coincidentally makes a boatload of money dong Cyber consulting. The more frenzy he whips up, the more money he rakes in.
it's not as bad as china cause we say so.. so there.. SOLID ARGUMENTS!!
....bull shit, upon bull shit upon ....repeat to infinity.... spy vs. spy idiocy as seen in MAD mag.
When you are dealing with such a subject of industrial espionage, the first obligation is to defend the country. While you might be able to use some random site's recommendations to make a case against it, national security will trump them every time. Whether it is some offshoring lobby, industrial espionage, or some other group that wants to attack the US, the author is correct to say how bad it is.
But don't let facts get in the way of your anti-American beliefs.
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Remember about 200 years ago when the US was just starting out? We didn't acknowledge IP then either, in fact we blatantly flaunted it to get where we are today. Acting like China is somehow the bad guy for doing the exact same thing we've done in the past is completely asinine.
If you want access to China's market, you have to build in China. And if you are building in China, China is figuring out how you build things.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
If you were trying to describe the most lucrative business model this world has ever seen, then you did an outstanding job.
(For those of you who don't get it, the magic formula is continuous war.)
Most large companies I've worked for won't use the *published* best practices of companies like Google or Microsoft, what makes anyone think that a large company can make any use of secret information that can't be verified?
All ideas^H^H^H^H^Hprocesses in this post are Patent Pending. (as well as the process of patenting all postings)
They will downright tell you that if you want to operate in our country you need to give us some of our IP. If it is very valuable maybe in return we can make a deal and have our government even buy your products.
Mitt Romney condemned this as it is a known practice. I assume by refusing they will hack into your network anyway to get it. You might as well voluntarily share and a favor from some of these corrupt officials can go a very long way for your company as they have many connections in the industry over there.
Many companies do not care. They increase in sales and cost savings from cheap labor are well worth the effort to help boost its shareprice and give the CEO and CFO a nice fat bonus they desire. Presidents who care about the company are old school and reserved for private companies.
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"The U.S. government is involved in espionage against other governments. There’s a big difference, however, between the kind of cyberespionage the United States government does and China. The U.S. government doesn’t hack its way into Airbus and give Airbus the secrets to Boeing [many believe that Chinese hackers gave Boeing secrets to Airbus]. "
Here is a hint: start doing it, you dumbasses. Im no expert in chinese culture, but i've been studying their story with reverse engineering and the way they've built their home industry to come to the conclusion that, to the chinese, this is business as usual.
You may be appalled by it, you may cringe with moral sentiment (and stubborn western-european hypocrisy), but you don't just stand there. Have a strategy to take a blow-by-blow approach to this and counterattack.... and maybe then you will realize all your strict IP laws and magical thinking make no sense at all in this brave new world.
Snap out of it NOW!
NO SIG
"Communist" China is no more. China is state run capitalism.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
Just as for Guerilla Warfare: If you are not prepared to ignore ethics/morality to the same extent as your enemy then (in most cases) you will lose.
1. To China, US technological superiority in the commercial sector IS a national security issue, so Clarke is just being disingenuous here. If the US were in the same role, we'd steal their commercial secrets, too. The fact that we don't want to just illustrates the advantage.
2. If we hadn't outsourced the more polluting and less skill intensive parts of our manufacturing base, we wouldn't be in this position.
2a. I know the thought pattern - I had it as a child back in the 70s - it was the "brown hordes" thought. What would happen if all the poor people in the world stormed the borders of the US? To avoid that, it sort of compels our hand to distribute the wealth and make this less desirable. So we did. Made it easy as hell for companies to outsource operations to the former Third World.
2b. The delusion started when people like GHW Bush claimed that we'd have an information economy. So the only advantage that the US would have was information? We'd all sit in offices and type things to each other? Seems like an invitation for people to steal our information and produce stuff that we can no longer produce ourselves.
At this point the whole plan looks like a suicide pact. Leave H1B out of it, and it's still a disaster. The tards in power aren't connecting the dots, even now.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
The EU, US, and others need to get off our high Pre-WWI moralistic espionage horse. Cyber-espionage is a pre-WWIII essential to national security and may be the only way to prevent WWIII nation-devastation.
A tit-4-tat cyber-cold-war is the best way to keep the government of CN from perceiving US, EU, and RU as virtual-tigers, and/or having foolish corporate interest politicians enter into a vintage pre-WWII "Appeasement Peace Conference" with CN.
We need to start state cyber-espionage to obtain all domestic, diplomatic, economic, corporate, and military information and appropriately share with US, EU, and RU ... countries and companies.
As they have exploited US and EU, so must we exploit CN. Do it now or regret it later.
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
Processes, secrets, entire facilities wholesale to China.
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Really?!?
Did we just see a spy try to claim some kind of moral high ground by defining what he would and would not collect? Spying is Spying. It is an immoral act that if used to protect me/us from getting killed by an enemy obtains 'acceptability' through an 'ends justifies the means' argument.
Clarke is currently Chairman of Good Harbor Consulting, a strategic planning and corporate risk management firm;
Nothing like spreading FUD when your dayjob is selling "risk management".
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The West was on top. So its a target. Its values are oppsed by the enemy.
War comes in multiple forms. There isn't any requirement for someone to fight you directly. The lessons of this are available through history. The problem is that in general, the population is cretinously stupid. In the west, in america, and prevelent on Slashdot.
The chinese long ago choose war with the west. And yes, this white house commentry is correct. Its years late to the party though. The chinese choose to make information and IP collection a military grade target, and applied military level resources to the task in hand.
In exchange for taking all your information, IP and data, they then went back to said companies and said - we can do what you do, at a 10th of the price.
Que economic damage doubled.
At no point have I see anything - anywhere thats showing any willingness to even begin to face up to this challenge.
Cutting to the chase, they do not have to use bombs and direct weapons to eliminate your factories, to commit economic damage, to diminish your state, lower your standard of living, and damage your way of life. If the end justifies the result - then its a valid technical stragetic aim. Its been and remains a highly effective strategic application of a militaristic and political plan.
Assuming nothing is done, and its simply allowed to continue, then you will simply see a spiralling issue of damage here, and benefit there. A zero sum game that favours only one side.
And there is no simple answer. In the west, we're so stupid, over payed, flabby, lazy and ill led that it will be a long time before an equalisation of fundamentals allows a reverse of the flow. American or Euro workers will still be paid many times the cost of a chinese worker. Even if you steal back the tech at a later date, the damage is largely done because you can't undercut enough to make stuff at the same cost level. But your structure will still have to pay out multiple times the cost to the now millions of unemployed. Que strike 3 of the cost of the enemy strategic plan.
And how will you defend yourselves?
With windows based networks that are an unholy security mess?
With a military thats suffering the same windows based security mess?
With open source software bases that however anyone might paint it, has enough security issues that its not a trivial issue?
All of these are treated like a play ground by the enemy. A proverbial open door.
Security worsens every day, and in the west IT is in most places simply treated as a red headed step child and an overhead people would like to eradicate if they could.
Until companies and governments get serious, its only going to worsen. And while this is the state of play - with no penalty for the chinese - its well worth playing to a very full extent. At the end of the day, in the west, as the unemployed grow, eventually your customers will dwindle. The fact you get your shit made in the enemy factory now won't help you find exhausted customers in your home lands, and you are not going to outsell Lenovo in china to make up the now drastic shortfall. In the end, binning your own workers in exchange for cheap goods made in china has a culmative effect in you losing your own customers. The unemployed can't really buy from you, and that will turn to bite sooner or later.
It could be ended tommorow assuming some spine can be found.
A singular threat of complete bans on any chinese imports - on scale and across the western would would have sobering affect on the chinese. And at the same time reparations and damages should gained. And some spine should be found, because everyone basically knows this is going on, and has been for an extended period.
China does not give a shit about you, or the west. It will under cut you, subsidise fuel to its operations, steal your data, rob you of your intellectual property, and take your job or life away from you. Its operating on the correct directive which is self interest. The nations and people's
We`re all equal
is done by corporations against each other.
China, as it emerges from communism and state enterprises, has retained the espionage function at the government level.
Natural suspicion between Chinese firms will take care of this evolutionary holdback.
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Work at Microsoft however, and you will get paid very handsomely if you make great contributions to the bottom line. Sorry, but I only am the messenger here. The .com days are over and its time to move on. Go work in an I.T. company or even a contracting company doing consulting if you have your experience and you will be paid well. Otherwise you are a cost there to make sure nothing breaks. Unless you can think of a magical way companies can increase their sales or cut their cost from your ideas? Have any?
Contract/consulting only makes the problem worse, since they pit the providers of indirect labor & the requesting company against the worker. Such an arrangement is largely for the mistrust of the person doing the work, such that it distorts the wages below their actual costs. The solution is to make anything but FTE a very expensive option, not the other way around.
You don't need magic, just regulations that keep business from being screwy with workers.
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I like how China wages war against other countries. They attack over fibre cables, snitching intellectual property.
Kind of refreshing really, when compared to western countries who send in tanks, warheads and troops and murder innocent civilians.
"We live in a global world" - Harvey Pitt, former Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman
...maybe we should start. The US government seems to be the only one in the world that doesn't display any interest in keeping its own businesses here and employed with its own citizens.
I'm not saying we should go out and steal foreign companies' IP, but our government really does need to step up and start protecting its citizens jobs and creating an environment where businesses don't have an incentive to move production, profits, taxes, and jobs overseas.
giggity
All Major U.S. Firms Hacked By China
Either that, or Mr. Clark doesn't know what he's talking about.
If the parent of /. isn't a major firm, then what is?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
...hacking to get industrial secrets from China and giving it to domestic firms, maybe it is time to do so. At this rate China will be capable of rendering our Military IT network useless within the next 15 years.
While you might have 1 billion people, the longterm cost is that you get industrial espionage.
The better thing is to abandon China through large tariffs and develop from the US and western EU. Then do something to silence the inevitable and incorrect "but you're attacking yourself" responses.
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Where's the +0 "Sadly true" moderation?
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
You know, Anerica is involved with espionage against European nations - those they call friends. China doesn't consider anyone a friend, so you are right... It is different.
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Seems to me outsourcing the labor force has done a pretty good job by itself.
I pay nearly $1500 A WEEK in income tax and I'd like to know what the hell our Government thinks it's doing by sitting idly by and saying "Geez, the Chinese Government is attacking our Corporate Citizens and by proxy, our Economic Security and the future Security of our entire Nation -- that's too bad"
Why isn't this seen as a DECLARATION OF WAR? We make an international incident of locking up Kim Dot Com for some file sharing BUT DO NOTHING while the Chinese Government assails our Corporations with a literal Army of Hackers.
Why are we not destroying this army of hackers, why are we not taking down the Chinese Internet Infrastructure or putting up a great firewall around China in retribution for this behavior.
Are we so badly owned that we can not afford to do a thing?
Is this how much we fear our Chinese masters?
We had better either take down the US Flag and start flying the Red flag of China or we had better hit them hard and without mercy as we would anyone who would harm Americans.
free offsite backups
Table-ized A.I.
Given the fucked up joke of a patent system that exist in the US now, thievery is probably the more honorable pursuit.
...or other countries that China may or may not have in their back pocket!
China is an abomination, we (America) can survive without them and should do so! There are NO acceptable communist dictatorships, they (China) should be the target of our aggression, NOT middle eastern oil producers.
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
>The U.S. government doesn’t hack its way into Airbus and give Airbus the secrets to Boeing [many believe that Chinese hackers gave Boeing secrets to Airbus].
WTF. Bullshit. Why did you choose this example ? What is your personal agenda ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%28signals_intelligence%29#Controversy
>An article in the US newspaper Baltimore Sun reported in 1995 that European aerospace company Airbus lost a $6 billion contract with Saudi Arabia in 1994 after the US National Security Agency reported that Airbus officials had been bribing Saudi officials to secure the contract.
The Chinese make war by "stealing OUR ideas" instead of blowing things up and killing people, like civilized countries do. Waaaaaaaah!
The solution is to make anything but FTE a very expensive option, not the other way around.
Which is not the way capitalism works and thus means you have to implement a new economic system first. It's been tried, but not with much success up to now.
As far as consulting goes: I find it much better to actually justify the salary I get in terms of what my customer needs, rather than to just sit there and get a salary without people actually looking at what I give them. I love being a freelancer precisely because of that sort of thing. And yes it runs the risk of being used to undercut present workers. Well, there's always the trade unions to combat that sort of thing. They've been at that game for over a century so they have some experience with that.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
of *&%p
he's even coming out and saying they're breaking the law hacking...
Solution: Amend the Fourteenth Amendment's "equal protection clause" with a "notwithstanding" clause similar to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There needs to be discrimination against non-YANKEE WHITE individuals in critical employment whether private of public. If it involves information critical to national and economic security, pedigree SHOULD matter. Pedigree makes it easier to "run back" should law enforcement or intelligence need to act. Pedigree makes it easier to say to oneself "I am an American, but something else as well should the need arise."
If Emmanuel Celler were alive to see America today, he would make aliyah. That is unless there were questions about his mother's Jewish identity.
I wish I had mod points lift. I'd mod your post +1 informative.
Very well said.
Since treason against a government is a much more major crime than stealing company secrets, it's interesting that you can be so proud of what you do.
I guess if China hacked the US government for data it would be OK then right?
China doesn't play by the same rules we do.
What we call stealing is smart business to them if you get away with it.
We ignore this at our economic peril.
The way the RIAA and MPAA squander law enforcement resources you have to wonder if they are enemy sabotage operations.
Did you think they were joking?
From the fine summary > Diplomatic, military stuff but not commercial competitor stuff.
Exactly the opposite. Besides diplomatic, military stuff, Echelon became famous for use in commercial competitor spionage (exactly regarding negotiations involving Airbus). One thing is to spread misinformation, the other is negating what happened and everybody read about.
With such low-level propaganda it's no wonder the bad shape US external Politics is... at least hire someone competent, you dumb fools!
I'd go after things like Perforce and other content management systems. Heck, hack Perforce alone and you could potentially get access to hundreds of companies in Silicon Valley, including a few major CG animation studios, once your hacked version of Perforce has been installed.
This is one reason I rather prefer open source software. I suppose you could hack Subversion, but if you aren't part of the core maintainers, then I don't see it sticking.
> ...There’s a big difference, however, between the kind of cyberespionage the United States government does and China...
Not such a big difference. In the U.S., industrial espionage is done by profiteers in the private sector— instead of public servants with union cards— because the sutlerage firms who who dominate the field don't want any competition from the government. You can just imagine the howls of "SOCIALISM!" that would start up if somebody proposed nationalizing it.
Even US firms who take active measures to avoid handing over the family jewels find those same jewels absconded-with.
Look up AMSC.
"Former White House cybersecurity advisor Richard Clarke says state-sanctioned Chinese hackers are stealing R&D from U.S. companies, threatening the long-term competitiveness of the nation".
.. :)
And the solution is to stop using Microsoft Windows
AccountKiller
if you are going to hack, prepare to be hacked.. cut the "we hack these things, but those bad people hack these other things".. you both hack.. you just chose different things to hack.. no one is innocent here. good day.
Would certain vested in the US milatary/industrial comples please find another bogey man to scare us all with, this one is getting tediious.
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"The U.S. government doesn’t hack its way into Airbus and give Airbus the secrets to Boeing"
That is a good one. Who then told Boeing of the bribes Airbus gave to some middle-eastern officials, so Boeing could match up? I can't find it anymore, but I think it was in the late nineties. And the information about the bribes DID come from US secret services.
"The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be" -- Lao Tse
So now we discover that our government considers hacking into other governments systems and stealing military and diplomatic information is fine but we draw the line as other governments messing around with our corporations and their potential profits. This is like Twisted Sister teaching a Sunday school class. Something is out or order.
When you speak of leveling out, you have affirmed that at least a functionally zero-sum situation exists, which takes from the developed nation to give to a freedom-lacking nation without the consent of the developed nation. A legislative measure is more efficient and serves the citizens in a favorable & direct manner. In addition, this transfer can be considered theft, for there is no consent by the First World country.
As for Detroit, I side with Detroit, Michigan, and the rest of the worker-friendly (read: no RTW) North. Restore regulatory parity, and there is no advantage to the worker-hostile South.
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"Sales make money. You cost money." - by Billly Gates (198444) on Tuesday March 27, @02:37PM (#39487875) Homepage
Security that works vs. malwares, OR, lawsuits 4 negligence there?
* You're on the 'same wavelength/page' I am on it though... problem is, it cost me a job once:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741535&cid=39446045
(HOWEVER, in the end? Those that "f'd me" via politics, got a DOSE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE for said negligence, bigtime...)
APK
P.S.=> Being "penny-wise but pound foolish" up front, by NOT securing your systems properly, opens up the door for JUST what I noted above - especially "class action" type ones for being negligent on network security... apk
Please read about where Hollywood comes from and what they did with Edison's patents a century ago. I applaud that China is able to get up on its feet faster than all the other stupid countries in the third world that had golden opportunities and failed miserably, their incommensurable material wealth only bringing them corruption, war and misery. Look up Africa and South America somewhere. I only hope Chinese people are less adept at war than the US is.
So when no one has been able to make a safe OS, you cry foul and turn to the law. My, my, how adorable.