Install 4 inch conduit for data/audio/whatever cables. this means you can run fiber, copper, whatever.
Use Flexible Plumbing (PEX or Hep2O) systems.
Make built in clothing storage systems. Drawers, bins, and shelves.
Laundry room on same floor as main bathroom.
Solar panels and battery pile.
Consider moving to DC white led lighting.
Dont skimp on the kitchen counter and cupboard space.
On demand hot water heaters for kitchen and bath.
Venting system that allows you to completely air out the house in one hour.
Oversized doors.
No, it does make it right. Their house, their rules. Dont like it, leave. Your right to free speech ends when you enter my house. If I dont like the things you say I have the right to ask you to shut up or get out. Same with organizations and businesses.
I'm no fan of censorship, but I am a big proponent of the rights of individuals and organizations to exclude whom ever they desire from their homes and organizations. I tend to look down on organizations that support censorship, but understand and respect their right to do so. I pretty much knew that XM wouldnt stand behind its talent. I'll be amazed if when they are fired XM honors their contract.
O/P should have been fired for not being entertaining a long long time ago. May they rot in the Status Quo hell.
the o/p show is completely unlistenable. complete snore fest. they took a very funny idea, raping the presidents wife, and made it unfunny, like every bit they have ever stolen from Howard Stern. I've only known 1 o/p fan, and he has asperger syndrome.
20-40k have canceled... they were suspended, not fired. What will these losers do when their heros go back on the air?
You are correct. Since t1's live on the same copper everything else does they are prone to the same issue. If the copper is crappy in an area, or somewhere along the route, your t1 (and other services) is (are) susceptibile to environmental changes. The electric capacitance of a copper pair changes when it is wet. This capacitance will act as a signal filter. Many DSL technologies feed sealing current though the copper. This helps to charge the water and somewhat resolve the capacitance issue. Of course there could be a short (not a dead short) between the pairs due to the water that could cause other issues. HDSL and HDSL2 are not adaptive ypes of DSL. They do not see an issue and then try to hand shake at a lower rate. Because of this they are not very resilient when the copper has an issue. Also, t1 loops are not conditioned unless at the time of installation there is a problem getting the service to work. All those coils or bridge taps... once the weather gets to them and changes their electric properties a great working t1 can goto poop. Of course, you have an SLA with your t1... It goes down and you are credited for the down time.
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL)
The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
The service being delivered to the smartjack maybe delivered via 1 pair, or 2 pairs, depending on the method of transport being used. The service spit out from the smartjack requires 2 pairs.
If you are a clec you can get copper from the lec a $7 to $14 per pair. That, in my mind, is not very expensive.
The magic of twisted pair is that the pair is balanced so there is 'no' cross talk. All kinds of services exist next to each other with little issue. This is why you see phones, dsl, t1s, and sometime ethernet, all punched down on the same 66 block. These services exist on the same huge copper bundles that cross freeways, bridges, enter buildings, etc.
you also cant plug ethernet into your adsl and expect it to work. it's the wrong media type. fact remains, adsl and t1s (hdsl2) can be delivered to the prem with a single copper. Just say unto yourself "digital subscriber line" That very broad term says it all.
Now, as far as being well documented, well supported by available hardware, and being a tried and true method of delivery, I cant argue with. but what comes with this? Low bandwith rates and a media that must be converted (which adds another layer of complexity and point of failure) with a high sticker price.
I dont know how I can make this any clearer; there is technology currently in use that is supplying more bandwidth, hands off as ethernet, and can be delivered over the same copper pairs being used to deliver T1s. These pairs can then be muxed together to supply even higher rates and offer a level of redundancy.
Your typical t1 customer is setup like this: smartjack---csu (a router with a t1 card)---first network device (firewall, switch, whatever).
Using other solutions you eliminate the csu and plug right into your first device.
Want to upgrade? Add another pair, no down time, no config changes on your side, no adding another wic.
Staying with costly safe antiquated technology that isnt meeting your needs doesnt sound like a great plan to me. It's this kinda fear that's letting the telcos continue to offer crappy service.
Consider for a moment that in england an E1 (2megs) is about the same cost as a T1 (1.5megs) here... Why? The flavor of HDSL2 they are using over there can be used on the same copper infrastructure we have here. now take a look at http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/... Read the white papers. More bandwidth, great reliability, at the fraction of the cost...
I've long ago lost track of the number of circuits I've been involved in provisioning. That's what I do for a living, provision internet service via a variety of technologies. Couldnt tell you how many LEC telco facilities I've visited either. I can only laugh, because I know your provisioning experience is severely limited to a company that has ordered a handful of T1s. Over 90% of the service I install has bandwidth greater than 3m. Onnet ethernet, muxed ds0s and ds1s, ds3s and oc3s. I've been involved with the order, configuring, and onsite physical layer elements required. Buildings down town, industrial parkways, malls, BFE. In many of the local telco facilities some tech has been drawing a cartoon frog drawn on the backboard for a number of years. (no, it isnt me.)
I've not seen it all by any means. There is always something new to go WTF about.
I want you to search google for T1 and DSL. You will find a number of sites that clearly state that a T1 (and E1's in europe) are flavors of DSL. You can also see this clearly stated in the Telco Dictionary http://www.amazon.com/Newtons-Telecom-Dictionary-2 2nd/dp/1578203198).
Oh the telco horror stories I can tell... but my favorite... I was trouble shooting an issue with the lec. They kept saying it was our equipment, but the issue appeared after they made a change on their side and there were no issues with the other services being supported on the device. The onsite tech was a jerk the entire time. At about 5 o'clock the tech says "hear that sound?". "Um, no". That's the sound of my truck. I'm done for the day." Hangs up and leaves.
I love when they do a stress test with their sidekick and say it the line is fine when it is shorted. This has only happened to me (on ds0s) about a gillian times. Or when I report foreign battery and they close the case with NTF. Oh, or when the dmarc is freaken wired backwards!
Currently I have a single order that is 50 days old. It was foced for last week. Now it doesnt have a foc. We ordered it early too! My assumption is that there is an issue with the une facilities and that is why the ordered was canceled with instructions to reorder as a special access t. I once had an order for an onnet ds3... This took over 9 months to get provisioned. I wanted to blow my brains out every time I talked to the telco during that time. Each day would be either another issue or another lie. I dont even know how we managed to keep the end customer from telling us to drop dead.
And why, when they have oc3s or ds3s, do they hand off to the end user with such a crappy medium? They could install a switch, run LRE over the buildings existing copper facilities, and offer greater bandwidth, but they dont. The could hand off as ethernet, but they dont.
I could continue to argue with you, but it is like screaming at a special ed kid. They dont get it, and it is only fun for a moment or two. You've witnessed a handful of crks being installed where you work and make a lot of assumptions based on very little experience. Go live in your fairy and elf world where the lec completes a crk on time and where they care about the customer and where they are offering you a service worth while at a reasonable price. Answer this to yourself, do you know what a DLR is? Have you seen one? If not, why would you think you know anything about provisioning?
For anyone else reading this: A T1 is dsl; delivered via copper to the prem, or in some cases sliced out of the existing facilities and converted to a dsl signal that is then converted to a t1 (which the customer then converts to ethernet). You should all contact your local providers and inquire about what bandwidth solutions they have to offer and what technologies they are using. In cleveland, pittsburg, miami, and chicago there are great solutions available. In many cases you can more than double your speed for the same price you are paying for your curre
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL)
The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
a T1 is HDSL and HDSL-2 with an SLA. You have no idea what you are talking about. A smartjack is nothing more than a lec maintained 'modem', and uses HDSL and HDSL-2 signaling to provide service.
Not only are T1's slow, and expensive, the end format require additional media conversion to be useful. This is additional cost, added complexity, and another point of failure. other tech exists (http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/) that allows 5.6m over the same single copper pair, multiple pairs can be muxed together to provide higher rates, and spits it out as ethernet. The multiple pairs also provide a certain level of redundancy. But in some cases bridge taps and coils need to be removed (line conditioning) to get the service to work, about $70 per pair)
We're also not talking about 30 years of spaghetti; we are talking about new builds. The CFA's are still copper pairs. Sometimes in an ampanol cable, sometimes they are spun or punched down.
It is clear you havent provisioned many T1s. They can still be very time consuming and complicated processes requiring lots of man power; even where the copper and facilities are new. FOC dates change as the lec scratches their heads trying to figure out why shit isnt working and then cancels the order requesting that you order a special access T1. Dont compare your T1 to the test of the real world. Very few people have telco facilities at the prem that hand T1's off as fiber and then convert it at the prem, even if the lec has fiber to the prem.
Your order a T1 #1 no other service is available in your area or #2 you are not in the know.
Um, and if there is fiber to the prem, why would you not order another service? I believe ATT's optiman service is more cost effective than a T1, and they will hand off as ethernet or fiber, and the service scales readily.
Like I said, slashdot users often make me want to smoke crack.
No, it is clear YOU arent listening. It's clear that I was speaking of how the service gets from the CO to the prem. this is important because we are comparing T1's to home adsl and other technologies. A t1 is delivered from the CO to the prem via a single copper pair, just like home adsl, hdsl-2, etc...
Would we say home adsl uses 2 pairs because the ethernet that connects to the modem requires 2 pairs? No, and nor should we from smartjack to csu. We're not talking about extended dmarcs here.
the fact still remains, T1 ***IS*** just another flavor of DSL. A very antiquated and expensive flavor.
I've been to many of the CO's in my area, there is alot more than 300ft of copper in them. Plenty of where the lec hands off to the clec (the CFA). Yeah. once it gets to the CO it goes thru the telco cloud. from copper, to fiber, to copper again, to fiber again, and to copper at the zloc. But that doesnt matter either, only how it gets to the aloc and zloc from the CO matter, because this is the bottle neck.
Nonsense like this is why slashdot users often make me want to smoke crack.
You've been around a long time and havent noticed changes to technology, have you?
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL)
The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
Anyways, T1's ARE DSL. PERIOD. END OF LINE. try researching the subject further before you post again.
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
This ofcourse does not take into consideration technology from hatteras, which can give you 5.6mbps per copper pair.
http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/default.aspx?pagen ame=addBandwidthOnDemand
That is 45 megs over 8 copper pairs. The existing copper facilities in most cities have no problem supporting this technology.
There are companies that provide faster than T1 service at better costs using a variety of technologies.
Why arent major telcos offering higher speeds at reasonable rates? Traditionally they have not had too. Customers arent aware of other solutions or are misinformed and continue to accept what the telco offers them. The telcos in turn have not seen a need to invest in better products because their bottom lines are just fine. I find their fiber investments perplexing. Let's invest in a fiber build out that we know wont be profitable for a long time to come and completely ignore that we could fund it exploiting our current copper infrastructure. I dont get it.
If you live in pittsburgh or cleveland there is a company called Expedient that can provide you cost effective bandwidth solutions at better than t1 speeds. ANET in Chicago, and Web United in Miami can do the same. In cincinnati there is a company that does internet over power lines to buildings. People should check their local yellow pages for other providers and ask them what they have to offer. They should also ask other business owners about their ISPs and services to see what is out there.
T1's are old and antiquated... Seriously, you dont have to suffer like that.
Check out the prices at Expedient. For the price of a T1 you can get a 3mbps connection with the same SLA as a T1. One of their methods of delivery allows for multiple unbundled copper loops to be muxed together to provide up to 44mbps.
the IT world is a small and incesteous. It is a good idea to leave places on good terms and keep relationships going. You never know who you may want to work for in the future. Giving two weeks notice is the professional thing to do and gives your the moral high ground.
I know of one case where someone did not give notice and was fired by his new employer based on that.
As for suing this guy for quitting? what a bunch of jackasses. Who the fuck is going to go work for them now?
Not many comments on the actual story... just allot of musical bigotry. Once again,/. user comments make me wanna smoke crack.
What I don't understand is why the authors could not just compiled evidence and file a case and see what happens.
Ever see kids with those magical electronic learning toys? Rarely do you see a kid who does something other than push the buttons over and over again to make noise. What's the plan? Hand a kid a laptop and give him an hour introduction and send him back home so he can distract himself from the pain of surviving in a land where everything is against you to learn math with a PD version of sponge bob?
little girls are being raped and murdered on their way to get water for their village, there are worms that cause exacerbating pain in the water supply. These people have real survival needs; food, medical, sanitation, civil protection, education, etc. and these jerks want to give them laptops? BOOT TO THE HEAD!
Reagan was not a great president, and all the great things being said about him today, and all the love, is a bunch of revisionist bs.Personally I always liked to hear him speak. I like how we often didnt look at his notes when giving a speech and talked about an alien threat.
My contention is that mainstream America ignored the 1984 commercial in the 80s. It wasn't discussed. It wasn't thought about. It didn't start a movement. It wasn't part of the culture at all. And in 1984 anything 1984ish was talked about.
Come to think of it, it was also not discussed on any of the crapple BBSs I used to call in those days.
You might as well give up, as I am not conceding either of the points. I was a teenager in the 80s. I'm pretty sure of my interpretation of events. I've seen plenty of revisionist BS.
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.htm l - Cowboys and Idiots - The Reagan Years. Voter turn out/popularity were not bone of contention. Painting the guy as some great president on the other hand was.
Mainstream American gives a rats ass about the Cannes Film Festival. Ask your average American what films have been shown there and they will shrug their shoulders. The 1984 commercial was mostly ignored/unseen/forgotten by the 80's populous. I'm sure afew papers wrote articles about it, buried in some unread section, but radio, tv, and the culture as a whole ignored it.
Am I the only person who thinks the 1984 apple commercial's current status in history is nothing but revisionist bs?
I'm sure that other people who weren't old enough to remember agree with you.
I was 15 when this Ad aired. I recall zero buzz around it. The media ignored. The masses ignored it. The geeky afterskewl computer club i belonged to ignored it. You might be one of the 2 people who saw and paid attention to this spot.
It's like one guy wrote an article about it in the 90s and everyone bought into it like all the great things people had to say about Ronald Regan.
I can only assume that you mean Ronald Reagan. Although I bordered on hating him when he was in office, middle America loved that man. In the 1984 election he took 49 States. Better than either Bush and better than Clinton.
Yeah, Reaganomics were just great. Have to love inflation. The war on drugs. The iran-contra. affair. Aliens. Psychics. His civil rights history was just awesome. middle america voted in bush too. They really arent the smartest peanuts in the turd. Clinton was a warm welcome from the insanity of the previous 12 years.
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Install 4 inch conduit for data/audio/whatever cables. this means you can run fiber, copper, whatever. Use Flexible Plumbing (PEX or Hep2O) systems. Make built in clothing storage systems. Drawers, bins, and shelves. Laundry room on same floor as main bathroom. Solar panels and battery pile. Consider moving to DC white led lighting. Dont skimp on the kitchen counter and cupboard space. On demand hot water heaters for kitchen and bath. Venting system that allows you to completely air out the house in one hour. Oversized doors.
No, it does make it right. Their house, their rules. Dont like it, leave. Your right to free speech ends when you enter my house. If I dont like the things you say I have the right to ask you to shut up or get out. Same with organizations and businesses.
I'm no fan of censorship, but I am a big proponent of the rights of individuals and organizations to exclude whom ever they desire from their homes and organizations. I tend to look down on organizations that support censorship, but understand and respect their right to do so. I pretty much knew that XM wouldnt stand behind its talent. I'll be amazed if when they are fired XM honors their contract.
O/P should have been fired for not being entertaining a long long time ago. May they rot in the Status Quo hell.
the o/p show is completely unlistenable. complete snore fest. they took a very funny idea, raping the presidents wife, and made it unfunny, like every bit they have ever stolen from Howard Stern. I've only known 1 o/p fan, and he has asperger syndrome.
20-40k have canceled... they were suspended, not fired. What will these losers do when their heros go back on the air?
You are correct. Since t1's live on the same copper everything else does they are prone to the same issue. If the copper is crappy in an area, or somewhere along the route, your t1 (and other services) is (are) susceptibile to environmental changes. The electric capacitance of a copper pair changes when it is wet. This capacitance will act as a signal filter. Many DSL technologies feed sealing current though the copper. This helps to charge the water and somewhat resolve the capacitance issue. Of course there could be a short (not a dead short) between the pairs due to the water that could cause other issues. HDSL and HDSL2 are not adaptive ypes of DSL. They do not see an issue and then try to hand shake at a lower rate. Because of this they are not very resilient when the copper has an issue. Also, t1 loops are not conditioned unless at the time of installation there is a problem getting the service to work. All those coils or bridge taps... once the weather gets to them and changes their electric properties a great working t1 can goto poop. Of course, you have an SLA with your t1... It goes down and you are credited for the down time.
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL) The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
The service being delivered to the smartjack maybe delivered via 1 pair, or 2 pairs, depending on the method of transport being used. The service spit out from the smartjack requires 2 pairs.
If you are a clec you can get copper from the lec a $7 to $14 per pair. That, in my mind, is not very expensive.
The magic of twisted pair is that the pair is balanced so there is 'no' cross talk. All kinds of services exist next to each other with little issue. This is why you see phones, dsl, t1s, and sometime ethernet, all punched down on the same 66 block. These services exist on the same huge copper bundles that cross freeways, bridges, enter buildings, etc.
t1s are delivered via hdsl and hdsl2. I've seen them provisioned with both 1 and 2 pairs.
crack kills.
you also cant plug ethernet into your adsl and expect it to work. it's the wrong media type. fact remains, adsl and t1s (hdsl2) can be delivered to the prem with a single copper. Just say unto yourself "digital subscriber line" That very broad term says it all.
Now, as far as being well documented, well supported by available hardware, and being a tried and true method of delivery, I cant argue with. but what comes with this? Low bandwith rates and a media that must be converted (which adds another layer of complexity and point of failure) with a high sticker price.
I dont know how I can make this any clearer; there is technology currently in use that is supplying more bandwidth, hands off as ethernet, and can be delivered over the same copper pairs being used to deliver T1s. These pairs can then be muxed together to supply even higher rates and offer a level of redundancy.
Your typical t1 customer is setup like this: smartjack---csu (a router with a t1 card)---first network device (firewall, switch, whatever).
Using other solutions you eliminate the csu and plug right into your first device.
Want to upgrade? Add another pair, no down time, no config changes on your side, no adding another wic.
Staying with costly safe antiquated technology that isnt meeting your needs doesnt sound like a great plan to me. It's this kinda fear that's letting the telcos continue to offer crappy service.
Consider for a moment that in england an E1 (2megs) is about the same cost as a T1 (1.5megs) here... Why? The flavor of HDSL2 they are using over there can be used on the same copper infrastructure we have here. now take a look at http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/... Read the white papers. More bandwidth, great reliability, at the fraction of the cost...
I've long ago lost track of the number of circuits I've been involved in provisioning. That's what I do for a living, provision internet service via a variety of technologies. Couldnt tell you how many LEC telco facilities I've visited either. I can only laugh, because I know your provisioning experience is severely limited to a company that has ordered a handful of T1s. Over 90% of the service I install has bandwidth greater than 3m. Onnet ethernet, muxed ds0s and ds1s, ds3s and oc3s. I've been involved with the order, configuring, and onsite physical layer elements required. Buildings down town, industrial parkways, malls, BFE. In many of the local telco facilities some tech has been drawing a cartoon frog drawn on the backboard for a number of years. (no, it isnt me.)
I've not seen it all by any means. There is always something new to go WTF about.
I want you to search google for T1 and DSL. You will find a number of sites that clearly state that a T1 (and E1's in europe) are flavors of DSL. You can also see this clearly stated in the Telco Dictionary http://www.amazon.com/Newtons-Telecom-Dictionary-2 2nd/dp/1578203198).
Oh the telco horror stories I can tell... but my favorite... I was trouble shooting an issue with the lec. They kept saying it was our equipment, but the issue appeared after they made a change on their side and there were no issues with the other services being supported on the device. The onsite tech was a jerk the entire time. At about 5 o'clock the tech says "hear that sound?". "Um, no". That's the sound of my truck. I'm done for the day." Hangs up and leaves.
I love when they do a stress test with their sidekick and say it the line is fine when it is shorted. This has only happened to me (on ds0s) about a gillian times. Or when I report foreign battery and they close the case with NTF. Oh, or when the dmarc is freaken wired backwards!
Currently I have a single order that is 50 days old. It was foced for last week. Now it doesnt have a foc. We ordered it early too! My assumption is that there is an issue with the une facilities and that is why the ordered was canceled with instructions to reorder as a special access t. I once had an order for an onnet ds3... This took over 9 months to get provisioned. I wanted to blow my brains out every time I talked to the telco during that time. Each day would be either another issue or another lie. I dont even know how we managed to keep the end customer from telling us to drop dead.
And why, when they have oc3s or ds3s, do they hand off to the end user with such a crappy medium? They could install a switch, run LRE over the buildings existing copper facilities, and offer greater bandwidth, but they dont. The could hand off as ethernet, but they dont.
I could continue to argue with you, but it is like screaming at a special ed kid. They dont get it, and it is only fun for a moment or two. You've witnessed a handful of crks being installed where you work and make a lot of assumptions based on very little experience. Go live in your fairy and elf world where the lec completes a crk on time and where they care about the customer and where they are offering you a service worth while at a reasonable price. Answer this to yourself, do you know what a DLR is? Have you seen one? If not, why would you think you know anything about provisioning?
For anyone else reading this: A T1 is dsl; delivered via copper to the prem, or in some cases sliced out of the existing facilities and converted to a dsl signal that is then converted to a t1 (which the customer then converts to ethernet). You should all contact your local providers and inquire about what bandwidth solutions they have to offer and what technologies they are using. In cleveland, pittsburg, miami, and chicago there are great solutions available. In many cases you can more than double your speed for the same price you are paying for your curre
lol. Ok buddy, live in your fantasy world.
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL) The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
a T1 is HDSL and HDSL-2 with an SLA. You have no idea what you are talking about. A smartjack is nothing more than a lec maintained 'modem', and uses HDSL and HDSL-2 signaling to provide service.
Not only are T1's slow, and expensive, the end format require additional media conversion to be useful. This is additional cost, added complexity, and another point of failure. other tech exists (http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/) that allows 5.6m over the same single copper pair, multiple pairs can be muxed together to provide higher rates, and spits it out as ethernet. The multiple pairs also provide a certain level of redundancy. But in some cases bridge taps and coils need to be removed (line conditioning) to get the service to work, about $70 per pair)
We're also not talking about 30 years of spaghetti; we are talking about new builds. The CFA's are still copper pairs. Sometimes in an ampanol cable, sometimes they are spun or punched down.
It is clear you havent provisioned many T1s. They can still be very time consuming and complicated processes requiring lots of man power; even where the copper and facilities are new. FOC dates change as the lec scratches their heads trying to figure out why shit isnt working and then cancels the order requesting that you order a special access T1. Dont compare your T1 to the test of the real world. Very few people have telco facilities at the prem that hand T1's off as fiber and then convert it at the prem, even if the lec has fiber to the prem.
Your order a T1 #1 no other service is available in your area or #2 you are not in the know.
Um, and if there is fiber to the prem, why would you not order another service? I believe ATT's optiman service is more cost effective than a T1, and they will hand off as ethernet or fiber, and the service scales readily.
Like I said, slashdot users often make me want to smoke crack.
No, it is clear YOU arent listening. It's clear that I was speaking of how the service gets from the CO to the prem. this is important because we are comparing T1's to home adsl and other technologies. A t1 is delivered from the CO to the prem via a single copper pair, just like home adsl, hdsl-2, etc...
Would we say home adsl uses 2 pairs because the ethernet that connects to the modem requires 2 pairs? No, and nor should we from smartjack to csu. We're not talking about extended dmarcs here.
the fact still remains, T1 ***IS*** just another flavor of DSL. A very antiquated and expensive flavor.
I've been to many of the CO's in my area, there is alot more than 300ft of copper in them. Plenty of where the lec hands off to the clec (the CFA). Yeah. once it gets to the CO it goes thru the telco cloud. from copper, to fiber, to copper again, to fiber again, and to copper at the zloc. But that doesnt matter either, only how it gets to the aloc and zloc from the CO matter, because this is the bottle neck.
Nonsense like this is why slashdot users often make me want to smoke crack.
You've been around a long time and havent noticed changes to technology, have you? http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
HDSL (High Bit Rate DSL)
The most mature DSL, HDSL provides T1 transmission over existing twisted pair without the additional provisioning typically required for setting up T1 circuits, such as bridged tap removal and repeater installation. HDSL requires two cable pairs up to 12,000 feet, while HDSL-2 requires only one cable pair and spans 18,000 feet. HDSL does not allow line sharing with analog phones.
Anyways, T1's ARE DSL. PERIOD. END OF LINE. try researching the subject further before you post again.
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jht ml?term=DSL
This ofcourse does not take into consideration technology from hatteras, which can give you 5.6mbps per copper pair.
http://www.hatterasnetworks.com/default.aspx?pagen ame=addBandwidthOnDemand
That is 45 megs over 8 copper pairs. The existing copper facilities in most cities have no problem supporting this technology.
There are companies that provide faster than T1 service at better costs using a variety of technologies.
Why arent major telcos offering higher speeds at reasonable rates? Traditionally they have not had too. Customers arent aware of other solutions or are misinformed and continue to accept what the telco offers them. The telcos in turn have not seen a need to invest in better products because their bottom lines are just fine. I find their fiber investments perplexing. Let's invest in a fiber build out that we know wont be profitable for a long time to come and completely ignore that we could fund it exploiting our current copper infrastructure. I dont get it.
If you live in pittsburgh or cleveland there is a company called Expedient that can provide you cost effective bandwidth solutions at better than t1 speeds. ANET in Chicago, and Web United in Miami can do the same. In cincinnati there is a company that does internet over power lines to buildings. People should check their local yellow pages for other providers and ask them what they have to offer. They should also ask other business owners about their ISPs and services to see what is out there.
T1's are old and antiquated... Seriously, you dont have to suffer like that.
slashdot users makes me want to smoke crack.
heh. you may wish to check the back of a smart jack and see how many pairs support a single t1 :) because you are dead wrong.
and a T1 ***IS*** dsl.
Check out the prices at Expedient. For the price of a T1 you can get a 3mbps connection with the same SLA as a T1. One of their methods of delivery allows for multiple unbundled copper loops to be muxed together to provide up to 44mbps.
:)
BTW, a T1 IS dsl
the IT world is a small and incesteous. It is a good idea to leave places on good terms and keep relationships going. You never know who you may want to work for in the future. Giving two weeks notice is the professional thing to do and gives your the moral high ground.
I know of one case where someone did not give notice and was fired by his new employer based on that.
As for suing this guy for quitting? what a bunch of jackasses. Who the fuck is going to go work for them now?
Not many comments on the actual story... just allot of musical bigotry. Once again, /. user comments make me wanna smoke crack.
What I don't understand is why the authors could not just compiled evidence and file a case and see what happens.
weird that this conversation pops up after the one on shoutwire. as always, reading user comments on slashdot makes me want to smoke crack.
looks like plenty of you took the troll bait.
Ever see kids with those magical electronic learning toys? Rarely do you see a kid who does something other than push the buttons over and over again to make noise. What's the plan? Hand a kid a laptop and give him an hour introduction and send him back home so he can distract himself from the pain of surviving in a land where everything is against you to learn math with a PD version of sponge bob? little girls are being raped and murdered on their way to get water for their village, there are worms that cause exacerbating pain in the water supply. These people have real survival needs; food, medical, sanitation, civil protection, education, etc. and these jerks want to give them laptops? BOOT TO THE HEAD!
Reagan was not a great president, and all the great things being said about him today, and all the love, is a bunch of revisionist bs.Personally I always liked to hear him speak. I like how we often didnt look at his notes when giving a speech and talked about an alien threat.
My contention is that mainstream America ignored the 1984 commercial in the 80s. It wasn't discussed. It wasn't thought about. It didn't start a movement. It wasn't part of the culture at all. And in 1984 anything 1984ish was talked about.
Come to think of it, it was also not discussed on any of the crapple BBSs I used to call in those days.
You might as well give up, as I am not conceding either of the points. I was a teenager in the 80s. I'm pretty sure of my interpretation of events. I've seen plenty of revisionist BS.
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.htm l - Cowboys and Idiots - The Reagan Years. Voter turn out/popularity were not bone of contention. Painting the guy as some great president on the other hand was.
Mainstream American gives a rats ass about the Cannes Film Festival. Ask your average American what films have been shown there and they will shrug their shoulders. The 1984 commercial was mostly ignored/unseen/forgotten by the 80's populous. I'm sure afew papers wrote articles about it, buried in some unread section, but radio, tv, and the culture as a whole ignored it.
I was 15 when this Ad aired. I recall zero buzz around it. The media ignored. The masses ignored it. The geeky afterskewl computer club i belonged to ignored it. You might be one of the 2 people who saw and paid attention to this spot.
Yeah, Reaganomics were just great. Have to love inflation. The war on drugs. The iran-contra. affair. Aliens. Psychics. His civil rights history was just awesome. middle america voted in bush too. They really arent the smartest peanuts in the turd. Clinton was a warm welcome from the insanity of the previous 12 years.
http://girls.c64.org/ Oh, and a great i hate apple youtube video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ps_LSn4boQE