You got it exaclty right... tho the determinsm versus free choice is a harder concept to get across then simply showing people that they live in a false reality. So I think a lot of people walked out of the movie, not really understanding the fact that the Wachowski Brothers raised another interesting and equally puzzling question for the general public to ponder.
As the French Guy said... you still don't get it... you are just doing what you were told to do. (to come see him, etc). In fact, Neo is always doing what he is told to do... the entire time, so you could say this is cause and effect still in practice, he's following his program, his algorythm. He must realize it, and I think in the third film he will. Afterall, to truly be the messiah, I think you're going to have to have at least one original thought.;)
The theory of multiple matrix(es) is the logical conclusion... it fits a lot of the loop holes that we spot in the movie. Tho we may be overthinking the movie.
But lets stay on that course... cuz it's a lot more fun than what it is on the surface, an fx thriller. Think about this... the one thing machines can not do (besides evolve - you must have new radiations/adaptations... digital copies do not produce that effect, as does analog DNA replication) is to think for themselves... they can only react to pre-programed responses. Thus they are totally controlled by cause and effect. That "we already made a choice... but why did we make that choice". They don't understand it, they can't control it... and this is utterly the paradox they live in.
That's why all of the "programs" continually refer to this fact... the Oracle, the French Guy, The Keymaker, even the Architect.
What humans, and thus Neo can do is come up with totally new ideas, or "choices". Basically he was confronted with a choice by Morpheus, and he made it and thus he checked out of the first matrix. Then he comes up to the Architect, who again gives him the choice... and tho he can watch the chemical reactions, the neurons firing, he can't understand it... "he is afterall, only a program".
So this parallel, between choosing the red pill, or the blue pill... the right door or the left door, again is symbolism for humanities abilities to come up with choices.
That's what many philosophers always fall back to... free choice, or predetermined destiny? Mechanical Determinism... Genetic Determinism, etc.
And besides which, the idea has come around time and time again. For those who were amazed by the original matrix, try reading more philosophy, or books in general... for those who's example is Star Trek or the Thirteenth floor, didn't you ever read Neuromancer when you were a kid... they imprison case in a made up world as well.
The idea is not new, it hasn't been since decartes, or was it kant first started questioning reality. Which is only to say a single written record of it... doesn't mean even more primitive man didn't do it. We just don't have a copy of his book.;)
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You got it exaclty right... tho the determinsm versus free choice is a harder concept to get across then simply showing people that they live in a false reality. So I think a lot of people walked out of the movie, not really understanding the fact that the Wachowski Brothers raised another interesting and equally puzzling question for the general public to ponder.
As the French Guy said... you still don't get it... you are just doing what you were told to do. (to come see him, etc). In fact, Neo is always doing what he is told to do... the entire time, so you could say this is cause and effect still in practice, he's following his program, his algorythm. He must realize it, and I think in the third film he will. Afterall, to truly be the messiah, I think you're going to have to have at least one original thought. ;)
The theory of multiple matrix(es) is the logical conclusion... it fits a lot of the loop holes that we spot in the movie. Tho we may be overthinking the movie.
;)
But lets stay on that course... cuz it's a lot more fun than what it is on the surface, an fx thriller. Think about this... the one thing machines can not do (besides evolve - you must have new radiations/adaptations... digital copies do not produce that effect, as does analog DNA replication) is to think for themselves... they can only react to pre-programed responses. Thus they are totally controlled by cause and effect. That "we already made a choice... but why did we make that choice". They don't understand it, they can't control it... and this is utterly the paradox they live in.
That's why all of the "programs" continually refer to this fact... the Oracle, the French Guy, The Keymaker, even the Architect.
What humans, and thus Neo can do is come up with totally new ideas, or "choices". Basically he was confronted with a choice by Morpheus, and he made it and thus he checked out of the first matrix. Then he comes up to the Architect, who again gives him the choice... and tho he can watch the chemical reactions, the neurons firing, he can't understand it... "he is afterall, only a program".
So this parallel, between choosing the red pill, or the blue pill... the right door or the left door, again is symbolism for humanities abilities to come up with choices.
That's what many philosophers always fall back to... free choice, or predetermined destiny? Mechanical Determinism... Genetic Determinism, etc.
And besides which, the idea has come around time and time again. For those who were amazed by the original matrix, try reading more philosophy, or books in general... for those who's example is Star Trek or the Thirteenth floor, didn't you ever read Neuromancer when you were a kid... they imprison case in a made up world as well.
The idea is not new, it hasn't been since decartes, or was it kant first started questioning reality. Which is only to say a single written record of it... doesn't mean even more primitive man didn't do it. We just don't have a copy of his book.
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