I dont think you're really correct there. Every generation of processor is not really designed for a certain clockspeed.
They ar all designed to run as fast as possible. You can generally make an estimate of how fast it will run but it is not something you design for.
ex: the P4.
Designed to run as fast as possible. Originally able to go around 1.5 GHz with some parts able to do 1.7 GHz (say maybe 1% of the produced ones). As the manufacturing technique improves it can go faster without changes to the architecture. And when they've got enough of the 1% parts they can start to sell those as well.
True, they also make small changes to chip layout and so in order to produce even faster cores.
Does that mean a 1.25 GHz model running at 1.47 GHz is overclocked ? Definiton...
I see your point. I dont really agree with you though. I think the reason FM didnt make a lot of noise about ATI's 'cheat' is because ATI did a very small change. Just changed the ordering of certain instructions in a single shader to make the execution more efficient.. they didnt change the visual output (IIRC).
True, this is very hard to do in a real game, but it is possible, which nVidias cheat is not.
I dont think futuremark lost any credibility through this because I honestly dont think nVidia payed them any money, but if they did then FM are certainly whores as well.
who the hell modded the above as 'insightful' ?
Optimization is allways good, but they didnt optimize! They essentialy told the driver to only render like 75 % of the potentially visible polygons in all situations.. this gives a completely false indication of their cards power since it is totaly imposible to do in a game.
Do you honestly not find it suspicious that nVidia left Futuremarks beta program mere months (2 i think) before the NV30 was released? They by that time realised NV30s performance could't touch the R300 and that it was too late to fix it.. therefore they drop the beta membership and claim they "didnt have the opportunity the other cardmakers had.. whine whine whine" which they clearly had since they where members for over a year before they pulled out.
nVidia is the one doing the extortion, not Futuremark. They simply threatened Futuremark with a lawsuit.
Nothing changes this:
nVidia cheated by not drawing what they where supposed to draw. What they did is completely impossible to do in a game and therefore gives a FALSE (as in no basis in reality) indication of their cards power.
It was the equivalent of telling quake 3 to allways use low resolution textures (no matter what the user says) and only draw every other polygon on screen. In a game it would look like garbage and be totaly unplayable cause you wouldnt be able to deciper whats on screen.
I have no idea what it says on the chips but wouldn't your definition of 'overclocking' apply to the Athlon and P4 as well? I mean, most new (higher clocked) processors require more cooling than their predecessors..
This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a "posthuman" stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.
Most people should realise that (2) is the most likely correct proposition. Just because you have the computer power to run a simulation doesn't mean you have the rest of the technology needed to do it.
Direct human-brain manipulation? Forget it... maybe in 10 000 years.
I cant say Nokias phones are crap, it varies with the model.
A few years ago it was different, there where only 3 (serious) phonemakers: Motorola, Nokia and Ericsson. Of these Ericssons where the most advanced and reliable, Nokias where pretty and Motorolas had the best battery life.
Then Ericssons phones lost quality because they tried to launch/design too many models at the same time (around the 6xx and 7xx.. i'd say '98-ish) and they where crushed by Nokia (and had to join with sony to avoid going bust) when all the kids in europe could afford to buy phones and bought the coolest looking instead of the technologically superior.
Today Nokia totaly dominates the market and has the resources to pump out zillions of different models, and also the skills to make good ones if that is a priority.
If you want a dependable phone i'd say Nokias 3xxx line or their 6xxx line.
I never said the US has the worst military in the world. The US military is good, disciplined, well trained and well equiped.
Your mistake is that you think the US would easily crush any (european) country they invaded. This is an understandable attitude since the US collective consciousness seems to already have forgotten mess-ups like Vietnam and Somalia, and only remembers the 2 iraq wars.
Face it: Yes the US military would probably win in the end if they invaded France, BUT trust me on this:
There is a big difference between invading a third world country which has a ragtag army with no equipment and where the intire population hates their government, and invading a well-developed country with a well trained army who hates the invaders. The US would probably win in the end but the losses on both sides would be terrible.
As for how you bottled up the russians I must say letting them take most of eastern europe and put comunist governments all over the world is a funny way of doing it. Face it: you had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR, it was the work of one man (Gorbachew.. or however it's spelled) even if it wasnt his intention. Your strategy seems to work wonders with China doesnt it? They sure seems to be on the edge of collapse..
I'm affraid you overestimate the American military.
The US military is the best at one thing only: Intelligence/Information/Communication (or maybe thats three things.. but they are related anyway)
This is because of their large number of spy- and communication satelites.
There is a tendancy for americans (and other people as well) to believe all the shit Hollywood throws at them with super-soldiers, super-airplanes, super-weapons and super-high-tech in general.
That is not the reality. Yes, the US has a helluvalot of airplanes, but those airplanes are no/not much better then their western allies/rivals airplanes. The latest version of the F18 has a slightly lower mission-success-percentage (in training drills) than for example the EF2000 (European plane) or the SU-27 (amazing russian plane.. generally considered one of the finest planes ever built)
True, the US has its F-22 which is slightly better than the competition but it is insanely expensive even for the US, and it isnt *much* better than the rest, only slightly.
Because of Hollywood people tend to believe that the US soldiers (especially the various special forces) are inhumanly good.. that is simply not the case. All international drills show that all-in-all the US military PER COMBAT UNIT is about the same level as the rest of its western alies/rivals..
So while the US maybe could destroy Galileo using special missiles, so could Europe take out GPS with the same technique.
True, the US has a bigger army than everyone else, but it would be very hard and bloddy work for them to invade another western country of decent size.
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I dont think you're really correct there. Every generation of processor is not really designed for a certain clockspeed.
They ar all designed to run as fast as possible. You can generally make an estimate of how fast it will run but it is not something you design for.
ex: the P4. Designed to run as fast as possible. Originally able to go around 1.5 GHz with some parts able to do 1.7 GHz (say maybe 1% of the produced ones). As the manufacturing technique improves it can go faster without changes to the architecture. And when they've got enough of the 1% parts they can start to sell those as well.
True, they also make small changes to chip layout and so in order to produce even faster cores.
Does that mean a 1.25 GHz model running at 1.47 GHz is overclocked ? Definiton...
I see your point. I dont really agree with you though. I think the reason FM didnt make a lot of noise about ATI's 'cheat' is because ATI did a very small change. Just changed the ordering of certain instructions in a single shader to make the execution more efficient.. they didnt change the visual output (IIRC). True, this is very hard to do in a real game, but it is possible, which nVidias cheat is not. I dont think futuremark lost any credibility through this because I honestly dont think nVidia payed them any money, but if they did then FM are certainly whores as well.
who the hell modded the above as 'insightful' ? Optimization is allways good, but they didnt optimize! They essentialy told the driver to only render like 75 % of the potentially visible polygons in all situations.. this gives a completely false indication of their cards power since it is totaly imposible to do in a game.
What are you talking about?
Do you honestly not find it suspicious that nVidia left Futuremarks beta program mere months (2 i think) before the NV30 was released? They by that time realised NV30s performance could't touch the R300 and that it was too late to fix it.. therefore they drop the beta membership and claim they "didnt have the opportunity the other cardmakers had.. whine whine whine" which they clearly had since they where members for over a year before they pulled out.
nVidia is the one doing the extortion, not Futuremark. They simply threatened Futuremark with a lawsuit.
Nothing changes this:
nVidia cheated by not drawing what they where supposed to draw. What they did is completely impossible to do in a game and therefore gives a FALSE (as in no basis in reality) indication of their cards power.
It was the equivalent of telling quake 3 to allways use low resolution textures (no matter what the user says) and only draw every other polygon on screen. In a game it would look like garbage and be totaly unplayable cause you wouldnt be able to deciper whats on screen.
I have no idea what it says on the chips but wouldn't your definition of 'overclocking' apply to the Athlon and P4 as well? I mean, most new (higher clocked) processors require more cooling than their predecessors..
Most people should realise that (2) is the most likely correct proposition. Just because you have the computer power to run a simulation doesn't mean you have the rest of the technology needed to do it.
Direct human-brain manipulation? Forget it... maybe in 10 000 years.
I cant say Nokias phones are crap, it varies with the model.
A few years ago it was different, there where only 3 (serious) phonemakers: Motorola, Nokia and Ericsson.
Of these Ericssons where the most advanced and reliable, Nokias where pretty and Motorolas had the best battery life.
Then Ericssons phones lost quality because they tried to launch/design too many models at the same time (around the 6xx and 7xx.. i'd say '98-ish) and they where crushed by Nokia (and had to join with sony to avoid going bust) when all the kids in europe could afford to buy phones and bought the coolest looking instead of the technologically superior.
Today Nokia totaly dominates the market and has the resources to pump out zillions of different models, and also the skills to make good ones if that is a priority.
If you want a dependable phone i'd say Nokias 3xxx line or their 6xxx line.
I never said the US has the worst military in the world. The US military is good, disciplined, well trained and well equiped.
Your mistake is that you think the US would easily crush any (european) country they invaded. This is an understandable attitude since the US collective consciousness seems to already have forgotten mess-ups like Vietnam and Somalia, and only remembers the 2 iraq wars.
Face it: Yes the US military would probably win in the end if they invaded France, BUT trust me on this:
There is a big difference between invading a third world country which has a ragtag army with no equipment and where the intire population hates their government, and invading a well-developed country with a well trained army who hates the invaders. The US would probably win in the end but the losses on both sides would be terrible.
As for how you bottled up the russians I must say letting them take most of eastern europe and put comunist governments all over the world is a funny way of doing it. Face it: you had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR, it was the work of one man (Gorbachew.. or however it's spelled) even if it wasnt his intention. Your strategy seems to work wonders with China doesnt it? They sure seems to be on the edge of collapse..
As for learning German I think it'd do you good.
Bah.. should be "bloody", not "bloddy"
I'm affraid you overestimate the American military.
The US military is the best at one thing only: Intelligence/Information/Communication (or maybe thats three things.. but they are related anyway)
This is because of their large number of spy- and communication satelites.
There is a tendancy for americans (and other people as well) to believe all the shit Hollywood throws at them with super-soldiers, super-airplanes, super-weapons and super-high-tech in general.
That is not the reality. Yes, the US has a helluvalot of airplanes, but those airplanes are no/not much better then their western allies/rivals airplanes. The latest version of the F18 has a slightly lower mission-success-percentage (in training drills) than for example the EF2000 (European plane) or the SU-27 (amazing russian plane.. generally considered one of the finest planes ever built)
True, the US has its F-22 which is slightly better than the competition but it is insanely expensive even for the US, and it isnt *much* better than the rest, only slightly.
Because of Hollywood people tend to believe that the US soldiers (especially the various special forces) are inhumanly good.. that is simply not the case. All international drills show that all-in-all the US military PER COMBAT UNIT is about the same level as the rest of its western alies/rivals..
So while the US maybe could destroy Galileo using special missiles, so could Europe take out GPS with the same technique.
True, the US has a bigger army than everyone else, but it would be very hard and bloddy work for them to invade another western country of decent size.
You misunderstand.. he meant that Slashdot *is* a bunch of bored kids with too much time on their hands :-)
The modding on the above post is wrong.. it should be "5,Funny"