What maitas said 'bout 24GB Gateway plus the net result: you swap less or not at all. 32 bits is still 32 bits for 4GB address space unless you use the magic stuff few people will wanna do.
Interesting mess. What if Intel rolls over in its sleep and does the same as Opteron to crush AMD as is rumoured. The in x86 world you'd have 3 versions of 64 bit code not just 2 to have to support. Blech
Nah, not quite. Sun would RATHER sell SPARC+Solaris (1st choice) but on x86 will sell you either Linux or Solaris x86 - preferring that it be Solaris probably. they get the point that they fscked up by ignoring Solaris 86. They said publically that more features from Solaris SPARC will go to SOlaris 86 (like Trusted Solaris &etc)
BTW, Sun already puts lotsa stuff in Linux. Not just the obvious stuff like Ooo and Java but look in source: device drivers, bug fixes, other kernel stuff.
more likely recent deals were to buy Intel device drivers that could port easy from SCO to SOlaris 86 instead of write from scratch. Nuffink stupid 'bout that
It probably works anyway. The HCL is much smaller than the number of machines the OS actually runs on and somebody actually bothered running Sun's test suite and sending the results in (send 'em those cards and letters)
Another thing about CKD is that early disks were unreliable and you needed to make sure you read the location you thought you were reading (like for instance if seek calibration was off), so by putting a countfield containing cyl/head/record in front of each data field you got self-identifying data. If the read CCW said gimme a particular record and the count field you actually read didnt match you could recover by reissuing the read or otherwise hiccuping
too bad this post got modded down by oafs who thought it was a troll for MSFT. Makes the same points others making about current Linux, but noooo, people have to get defensive if you have the nerve to point out anythings wrong. read the kernel mailing list if you think this stuff is madeup, and have a grownup exaplain what the big words about OSes mean
Peace. I agree 100% I didnt mean Winblows. Relax, dude
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if he listened he'd be in the same place as Compaq. No, it would have been worse, since CPQ as a big player in peecee and sun sure as heck aint. He made a fortune selling high margin servers. You see any AIX on x86 or NT on Power? That would have been the same move coming from IBM.
If Itanic shipped? Yeah, well it didnt. So, it could have sucked in 1998 instead of sucked in 2003
That's one of the problems with Linux as it is today - it doesn't have a preemptable kernel, you can get priority inversion, etc. Plus, the IDE code that's in the process of being ripped out has lots of nastyisms in it. So, you can get race conditions, lockups, and DEFINITELY get very jerky, nonsmooth response for interactive apps while doing heavy IO. Some of this supposed to be lots better in 2.6. We'll see.
What, didnt you know that Linux wasnt the perfect OS of all time? (Ssssh, dont tell anybody, it might burst there bubble, and distract them from sliming other OSes that solved this junk years ago)
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And the same thing was said about Sun in '95-'97 when the smart asses thought everybody was gonna run Winblows and nothing else. They told McNealy "drop Unix and go to Windows". Aren't you glad he ignored 'em. Duh. Linux would have had to clone Windoze because there wouldnt be any Unix left to copy/ripoff
They also said the same thing about IBM in 1985. these wiseguys dont know anything.
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Supposedly ran somewhere on an E10K. Dunno if it had all 64 CPUs or how well it ran.
Yeah, except IBM is the one that pushed VM out by saying it was crap, we're killing it off, go run on MVS instead at 5times the $. If IBM had stuck up for its own product it would be different. Now IBM is going to love VM for a little while because of zLinux, until the world finds out how much money that costs and how slow as mud it is.
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What maitas said 'bout 24GB Gateway plus the net result: you swap less or not at all. 32 bits is still 32 bits for 4GB address space unless you use the magic stuff few people will wanna do. Interesting mess. What if Intel rolls over in its sleep and does the same as Opteron to crush AMD as is rumoured. The in x86 world you'd have 3 versions of 64 bit code not just 2 to have to support. Blech
webservers are the easy, stateless low hanging fruit. Almost any OS can do that even -blech- Windows.
Nah, not quite. Sun would RATHER sell SPARC+Solaris (1st choice) but on x86 will sell you either Linux or Solaris x86 - preferring that it be Solaris probably. they get the point that they fscked up by ignoring Solaris 86. They said publically that more features from Solaris SPARC will go to SOlaris 86 (like Trusted Solaris &etc) BTW, Sun already puts lotsa stuff in Linux. Not just the obvious stuff like Ooo and Java but look in source: device drivers, bug fixes, other kernel stuff.
more likely recent deals were to buy Intel device drivers that could port easy from SCO to SOlaris 86 instead of write from scratch. Nuffink stupid 'bout that
It probably works anyway. The HCL is much smaller than the number of machines the OS actually runs on and somebody actually bothered running Sun's test suite and sending the results in (send 'em those cards and letters)
Another thing about CKD is that early disks were unreliable and you needed to make sure you read the location you thought you were reading (like for instance if seek calibration was off), so by putting a countfield containing cyl/head/record in front of each data field you got self-identifying data. If the read CCW said gimme a particular record and the count field you actually read didnt match you could recover by reissuing the read or otherwise hiccuping
too bad this post got modded down by oafs who thought it was a troll for MSFT. Makes the same points others making about current Linux, but noooo, people have to get defensive if you have the nerve to point out anythings wrong. read the kernel mailing list if you think this stuff is madeup, and have a grownup exaplain what the big words about OSes mean
Peace. I agree 100% I didnt mean Winblows. Relax, dude
if he listened he'd be in the same place as Compaq. No, it would have been worse, since CPQ as a big player in peecee and sun sure as heck aint. He made a fortune selling high margin servers. You see any AIX on x86 or NT on Power? That would have been the same move coming from IBM.
If Itanic shipped? Yeah, well it didnt. So, it could have sucked in 1998 instead of sucked in 2003
That's one of the problems with Linux as it is today - it doesn't have a preemptable kernel, you can get priority inversion, etc. Plus, the IDE code that's in the process of being ripped out has lots of nastyisms in it. So, you can get race conditions, lockups, and DEFINITELY get very jerky, nonsmooth response for interactive apps while doing heavy IO. Some of this supposed to be lots better in 2.6. We'll see. What, didnt you know that Linux wasnt the perfect OS of all time? (Ssssh, dont tell anybody, it might burst there bubble, and distract them from sliming other OSes that solved this junk years ago)
And the same thing was said about Sun in '95-'97 when the smart asses thought everybody was gonna run Winblows and nothing else. They told McNealy "drop Unix and go to Windows". Aren't you glad he ignored 'em. Duh. Linux would have had to clone Windoze because there wouldnt be any Unix left to copy/ripoff They also said the same thing about IBM in 1985. these wiseguys dont know anything.
Supposedly ran somewhere on an E10K. Dunno if it had all 64 CPUs or how well it ran.
Yeah, except IBM is the one that pushed VM out by saying it was crap, we're killing it off, go run on MVS instead at 5times the $. If IBM had stuck up for its own product it would be different. Now IBM is going to love VM for a little while because of zLinux, until the world finds out how much money that costs and how slow as mud it is.