Sun probably will post a hardware compat program on their site for you to test your funky homebrew with, just like they already do with Solaris for Intel or AMD. They want people to run Solaris, they wont discourage it.
They want to stop having to carry 2 versions of the OS and retrofitting the security updates. One OS with features you turn on or dont when you install. Cheeper for them, and cheeper for us.
I hear it gives you dynamic kernel tracepoints you can enable and disable on the fly. I don't think any SAs have been doing this. Very nice new stuff, I think!
The web copy of the presentation looks like Powerpoint exported to HTML... Anybody see the original talk and able to comment on what OS the presenter had?
Quoting from IBM ad. Title says it all, dont it? IBM is hypocritical, dont care about Linux or open source at all. Its just a way to move more product and more consulting work. Or, they'd open source their own software, huh?
Just get in bed? They've been in bed a long time! Look at IBM's Thinkpad ads saying "IBM recommends Microsoft Windows XP Professional". For all the criticism on/. against Sun you'll never see them say that!!!
All the crap about how IBM loves Linux, but they make 99% of their Intel sales on Windows and sell their own closed OSes on their other boxes. Great PR job, and they fooled everybody
Hey this just came out at
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/33440.html
"The new TCP/IP stack - code-named Fire Engine - has 10 gigabit and 100 gigabit Ethernet networks in mind." Available for testing download now
Sun is quoted:
"we did work to efficiently handle many NICs, so combinations of NICs and CPUs scale. The upshot of all this stuff is that customers will notice quite measurable differences in latency and bandwidth improvements in networking on existing machines. It shows up in internal benchmarks, and it shows up in real-world workloads from the smallest uniprocessor on up.
Also we focused on CPU utilization. One of the little secrets of networking is high speed interfaces can in fact pump lots of bits, but they chew up lots of CPU, which means you aren't doing other things. We worked hard on efficiency, and we now measure,
at a given network workload on identical x86 hardware, we use 30 percent less CPU than Linux."
Or sometimes an engineer figures out how to do something he didn't know was supposed to be impossible and THEN the scientist figures out that its possible after all!
ALl true. C/C++ let the programmer blow his own head off too easy due to dumb ideas like no array subscript checking, pointers used all the time (made necessary because there's only call-by-value), and because the type system is so lame. Even PLI did this better and safer. Too bad, but the safer languages lost. Now we at least have the choice of Java, but it's not ideal for all uses.
Before people flame about why C/C++ are great, proof being how popular they are, just think how COBOL and RPG were the most popular languages of their days. Just 'cos its the one everybody uses doesn't make it good.
Yeah, I program in C for many years, plus another bunch of languages, so it's something I know about.
No argument to you or kjs3 from me, look, it's all better than using MS and having to disinfect virues all the time, or time wasted rebooting.
For office workers you can save a fortune using that SunRay thing for timesharing done right. For tech workers the problem is price next to Peecees with faster clocks. But, kjs3's users can move their code up to a 100CPU Sun box without any changes. Thats gotta be important for big codes
Sun already lost the desktop with Solaris on SPARC so they have nothing to lose. If their Linux desktop works (Linux, StarOffice, Evolution, Mozilla plus smartcard support, plus whatever the heck) then its a win for 'em
That's not the point, anonymous coward dork - it's that they POSTURE about how they're doing stuff for Open Source, or humanity, or whattever goddam thing. Lots of people on/. act as if that's whats happening, and fall for the BS.
This is only about MONEY. Ellison doesn't care about Linux, Palmisano doesn't care, etc you get the point. Ellison pushes Linux because
(1) got almost all the Unix market already and little room to grow
(2) Linux is growing fast and is new growth place
(3) if he doesnt move now people will get used to running mySQL or PostgresSQL and then he will be an unhappy boy.
(4) if you run cheep hardware and OS you can spend more on Ellison
And IBM likes it because its the only way out of their deadend OSes and sells consultant $$$
I suppose I should talk about the differences too: Solaris dropped the free C compiler and people were really pissed off about it. gcc takes care of 'free', and the Sun compilers got a lot better over time because there was $ to pay for programmers. The other reason was that 1st cuts of Solaris were shaky, as a lot of code got changed. Finally, there was the whole SysV vs. BSD 4.x Unix dialect war stuff, as that changed going SunOS to Solaris. Thats all a LOOOONG time ago now.
Because it was a big deal 10 years ago. Just like it was a big deal when people on mainframes converted from OS/360 to MVS. But it's ancient history now.
Easy: the web page you point to is from 1994 (12/10/94 to be exact) when Solaris was brand new and buggy, and people still wanted the old flavor of ice cream. Duh.
What a silly comment from DerFeurvogel. SunOS wasnt killed to make Solaris; Solaris is the name SunOS goes by now (actually the innards are still called SunOS). Do a uname -a on any Sun box.
The other replier is right - lots of nifty engineering in Solaris.
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Sun probably will post a hardware compat program on their site for you to test your funky homebrew with, just like they already do with Solaris for Intel or AMD. They want people to run Solaris, they wont discourage it.
They want to stop having to carry 2 versions of the OS and retrofitting the security updates. One OS with features you turn on or dont when you install. Cheeper for them, and cheeper for us.
Hot plug works on "this century" CPUs. Seen it.
I hear it gives you dynamic kernel tracepoints you can enable and disable on the fly. I don't think any SAs have been doing this. Very nice new stuff, I think!
Fair 'nuff. Maybe they'll offer an upgrade price. Other than that, you're right OOO is darn good
If price per seat is $100 for the whole desktop, with support (is that the right $ ??) then what's the problem?
The web copy of the presentation looks like Powerpoint exported to HTML... Anybody see the original talk and able to comment on what OS the presenter had?
Quoting from IBM ad. Title says it all, dont it? IBM is hypocritical, dont care about Linux or open source at all. Its just a way to move more product and more consulting work. Or, they'd open source their own software, huh?
All the crap about how IBM loves Linux, but they make 99% of their Intel sales on Windows and sell their own closed OSes on their other boxes. Great PR job, and they fooled everybody
"The new TCP/IP stack - code-named Fire Engine - has 10 gigabit and 100 gigabit Ethernet networks in mind." Available for testing download now
Sun is quoted:
Hmmm. On my Solaris box: bash-2.05 $ perl -v This is perl, v5.8.0 built for sun4-solaris. The software's there on the CDs. Just do it.
Or sometimes an engineer figures out how to do something he didn't know was supposed to be impossible and THEN the scientist figures out that its possible after all!
OK, OK, OK - wrong word, sorry. How about 'used a whole lot'.
Before people flame about why C/C++ are great, proof being how popular they are, just think how COBOL and RPG were the most popular languages of their days. Just 'cos its the one everybody uses doesn't make it good.
Yeah, I program in C for many years, plus another bunch of languages, so it's something I know about.
For office workers you can save a fortune using that SunRay thing for timesharing done right. For tech workers the problem is price next to Peecees with faster clocks. But, kjs3's users can move their code up to a 100CPU Sun box without any changes. Thats gotta be important for big codes
Sun already lost the desktop with Solaris on SPARC so they have nothing to lose. If their Linux desktop works (Linux, StarOffice, Evolution, Mozilla plus smartcard support, plus whatever the heck) then its a win for 'em
Thanks for the useless post, dipshit
(1) got almost all the Unix market already and little room to grow
(2) Linux is growing fast and is new growth place
(3) if he doesnt move now people will get used to running mySQL or PostgresSQL and then he will be an unhappy boy.
(4) if you run cheep hardware and OS you can spend more on Ellison
And IBM likes it because its the only way out of their deadend OSes and sells consultant $$$
Got it everybody? They dont care its only the $
Red Hat runs under Hercules (Alan Cox is supposed to have dunnit) as well as SuSE and Debian. Runs slow, just like on real zBoxen
You can if you can find VM but it wont be a legal copy. just run several copies of Hercules to let it do what VM would do for you.
I suppose I should talk about the differences too: Solaris dropped the free C compiler and people were really pissed off about it. gcc takes care of 'free', and the Sun compilers got a lot better over time because there was $ to pay for programmers. The other reason was that 1st cuts of Solaris were shaky, as a lot of code got changed. Finally, there was the whole SysV vs. BSD 4.x Unix dialect war stuff, as that changed going SunOS to Solaris. Thats all a LOOOONG time ago now.
Because it was a big deal 10 years ago.
Just like it was a big deal when people on mainframes converted from OS/360 to MVS. But it's ancient history now.
No no no - we're not going to bring up anal BSD vs. SysV wars any more now, are we? Bring that up right next to vi vs. emacs willya?
Easy: the web page you point to is from 1994 (12/10/94 to be exact) when Solaris was brand new and buggy, and people still wanted the old flavor of ice cream. Duh.
The other replier is right - lots of nifty engineering in Solaris.