They will work to make sure this doesn't become common knowledge, disavow, and point at/create other issues. Wait till it blows over ( and it always seems to, we don't have a very long attention span, as a group )
But, the business will ( probably ) never ever know about your frustration.
You are usually talking to powerless minions*, even if you manage to talk to a manager. The reason call center work is so bad is because those people have to absorb the frustrations of the people calling in. The people who set the policy really dont have to do anything, and probably wont know, except in the abstract...
* not filet minions.... which would do you even less good... unless you cook them.... and eat them....
As it happens, I don't rob banks. And I do care about fairness, I just see fairness differently than you. They ( or their ancestors ) used aspects of their society to gain the wealth. And they see more benefits from the government ( national defense, court system, police, etc ) And there is a practical issue, if you move to a flat tax, you will reduce taxes on the wealthy and increase them on the not wealthy. What is fair about that?
"Should the poor have to give a portion of their income to the rich because now even poor people have a car, a TV, climate control in their home, clean water, refrigerated food, and cold beer?"
I tried one of those ( an Achieva ), and had to return it. It would not work with my video card. I moved to a Dell U series ( so I know the card and the cable are fine ). Found a refurbished unit, cause I wasnt ready to put that much out at this time.
"This is modded +5, but any defense would be molded -1 troll. Thus does your online tribal moral society shut down debate, giving you an even more false sense of security in your positions"
Liberal, liberal, liberal. ( Reagan )
We all need to respectfully consider "other"viewpoints. There is too much home team rooting everywhere.
"You can't do anything about it other than the obvious solutions from the legal ones such as lawsuits and boycotts to the illegal, such as sabotage and targeted assassination of business leaders"
Right now, in the US, business has basic control of the government. The above solutions are not effective *now*. ( lawsuits, they will bury you in lawyers, boycotts, hard to organize, too few choices for replacement items where you dont want to boycott *them*, sabotage, you will spend your life in jail or have it ruined financially when caught, assassination, law will be on you like white on rice ).
Smaller? Maybe. The right solution is to get corporate money out of politics ( if companies didnt know they were getting value for their investment, they wouldnt invest ). And make it so the wealthy cant buy elections.
Leadership specifically makes sure they don't know who gives and who doesn't. And occasionally, as the trays are passed, the notion that visitors have no obligation to give is reaffirmed. Personally, I have been paying down debt and forgoing making contributions to my Church, and have not heard a word about it.
Another reason prices stay high is that the owners of such things are looking to increase their profits.
Greed can be a source of good, when it goads one into improving ones products/services. It can go too far when one starts to do things that harm self or others ( pollution, not saving some seed corn, fraud, etc* )
* personally, I think moving too many jobs to automation / off shore is a harm.
They will replace the bar maids with robots that look ( and feel ) quite human. Frankly, they will engineer them to accept what humans would consider inappropriate touching and other behaviours, probably increasing patronage ( so, the will likely encourage such behaviours, as long as it is paid for... ). All up till the patrons don't have anything fungible to offer in exchange, then the power will be cut.
( the point being they will figure out how to get you to accept not having a human there )
On the power of unions, capital has been waging ( pun intended ) war on unions for a long time. They have figured out that they can send the jobs to other countries without unions ( and environmental protection laws,lower wages, etc, etc ). They have figured out how to redirect public discourse on matters like this and influence public opinion. Soon enough, it will stop being political suicide to propose putting ( hyperbole follows ) the poor in trash compactors so they can be made into plant fertilizer. ( the trash compactors and the collecting of the poor will be automated ).
Note, I am not saying I like any of the above, but it sure seems headed this way. Not tomorrow... Not next week.
Having your plan disconnected from work is excellent, but owning your own has some issues... Try bargaining for better rates with a large company, especially on something that is hard to move to another company, and is that important to you.... And what happens if you lose your job for an extended period of time and cant pay your premiums....
Sucky as it is, I think the real answer is single payer.
From the standpoint of being "in charge" ( having power ) and using power to amass the lions share of wealth without regard to the welfare of others, I think it might well be comparable.
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Absolutely nothing.
They will work to make sure this doesn't become common knowledge, disavow, and point at/create other issues. Wait till it blows over ( and it always seems to, we don't have a very long attention span, as a group )
It will continue to happen.
I understand your frustration...
But, the business will ( probably ) never ever know about your frustration.
You are usually talking to powerless minions*, even if you manage to talk to a manager.
The reason call center work is so bad is because those people have to absorb the frustrations of the people calling in.
The people who set the policy really dont have to do anything, and probably wont know, except in the abstract...
* not filet minions.... which would do you even less good... unless you cook them.... and eat them....
"More recently they have realized that other nations have been exporting their environmental issue to China by buying cheap Chinese rare earths"
China has been importing the environmental issue to China by
1 mining in environmentally un-friendly ways and
2 price the results in a way that makes hard for others to mine competitively.
I am not sure how casting it as "poor, poor China" is appropriate.
Nice about the "second grade morality".
Yes, you can be both. The part about stealing then donating was meant to show the issue by taking it out of the complex determination arena.
That is not all he did, and it is hard to believe you are unaware.
Some of us believe that the way he got the money was inappropriate.
To highlight: if I gave some money I stole to charity would I be criminal or admirable?
How much more wealthy and successful could a cat get? And nothing to worry about.
"These people must believe that the rich are no smarter than your average house cat"
I have come to the conclusion that the rich, indeed, are not smarter than the average house cat.
The economy lives and dies by people spending money.
People without jobs and people with lower paychecks just cant do that.
But still, the "Job Creators" keep sending jobs to other countries, bolstering their economies, bleeding ours....
Posting to clear incorrect mod
As it happens, I don't rob banks. And I do care about fairness, I just see fairness differently than you. They ( or their ancestors ) used aspects of their society to gain the wealth. And they see more benefits from the government ( national defense, court system, police, etc ) And there is a practical issue, if you move to a flat tax, you will reduce taxes on the wealthy and increase them on the not wealthy. What is fair about that?
It's about them offsetting the costs of participating in the society that enabled them to become wealthy.
I have a hard time seeing that as wrong.
"Should the poor have to give a portion of their income to the rich because now even poor people have a car, a TV, climate control in their home, clean water, refrigerated food, and cold beer?"
They do, it's called "buying"
I tried one of those ( an Achieva ), and had to return it. It would not work with my video card.
I moved to a Dell U series ( so I know the card and the cable are fine ). Found a refurbished unit, cause I wasnt ready to put that much out at this time.
and it's not called pro-creation for nuttin
Think of it as affirmative action for jocks.
"This is modded +5, but any defense would be molded -1 troll. Thus does your online tribal moral society shut down debate, giving you an even more false sense of security in your positions"
Liberal, liberal, liberal. ( Reagan )
We all need to respectfully consider "other"viewpoints. There is too much home team rooting everywhere.
"You can't do anything about it other than the obvious solutions from the legal ones such as lawsuits and boycotts to the illegal, such as sabotage and targeted assassination of business leaders"
Right now, in the US, business has basic control of the government. The above solutions are not effective *now*.
( lawsuits, they will bury you in lawyers, boycotts, hard to organize, too few choices for replacement items where you dont want to boycott *them*, sabotage, you will spend your life in jail or have it ruined financially when caught, assassination, law will be on you like white on rice ).
Smaller? Maybe. The right solution is to get corporate money out of politics ( if companies didnt know they were getting value for their investment, they wouldnt invest ). And make it so the wealthy cant buy elections.
You haven't been to my Church then.
Leadership specifically makes sure they don't know who gives and who doesn't. And occasionally, as the trays are passed, the notion that visitors have no obligation to give is reaffirmed. Personally, I have been paying down debt and forgoing making contributions to my Church, and have not heard a word about it.
Middle class median income, or just median income?
You assume the poster was from America. I read it assuming the poster was from China.
Another reason prices stay high is that the owners of such things are looking to increase their profits.
Greed can be a source of good, when it goads one into improving ones products/services.
It can go too far when one starts to do things that harm self or others ( pollution, not saving some seed corn, fraud, etc* )
* personally, I think moving too many jobs to automation / off shore is a harm.
They will replace the bar maids with robots that look ( and feel ) quite human. Frankly, they will engineer them to accept what humans would consider inappropriate touching and other behaviours, probably increasing patronage ( so, the will likely encourage such behaviours, as long as it is paid for... ). All up till the patrons don't have anything fungible to offer in exchange, then the power will be cut.
( the point being they will figure out how to get you to accept not having a human there )
On the power of unions, capital has been waging ( pun intended ) war on unions for a long time. They have figured out that they can send the jobs to other countries without unions ( and environmental protection laws,lower wages, etc, etc ). They have figured out how to redirect public discourse on matters like this and influence public opinion. Soon enough, it will stop being political suicide to propose putting ( hyperbole follows ) the poor in trash compactors so they can be made into plant fertilizer. ( the trash compactors and the collecting of the poor will be automated ).
Note, I am not saying I like any of the above, but it sure seems headed this way. Not tomorrow... Not next week.
Having your plan disconnected from work is excellent, but owning your own has some issues...
Try bargaining for better rates with a large company, especially on something that is hard to move to another company, and is that important to you....
And what happens if you lose your job for an extended period of time and cant pay your premiums....
Sucky as it is, I think the real answer is single payer.
From the standpoint of being "in charge" ( having power ) and using power to amass the lions share of wealth without regard to the welfare of others, I think it might well be comparable.
Fair enough, and I should have read closer.