1) Personally I see the dividend as the reason to invest at all, and as such it needs to pay out more than a bank account or you're stupid (?) since it's much riskier. Now people can of course pay more for the stock compared to the current earnings of the company because they assume earnings will improve in the future and hence give a reason to pay out a higher dividend by then.
2) Then we have the companies with lots of resources, either cash or invested in say buildings. If you can get 2-3 $ for every dollar you spend then it should be a good deal? (Unless you think there is a reason for that and those 2-3 $ will soon disappear.)
3) In conflict with #1 goes whatever the company should pay out the dividend at all if you can't decide to put it to better use yourself anyway. That is, if the company can invest the money in itself and turn out more profit from that money than the bank account rate, should it give the money back? If it can generate more profit than the stock market at large? More profit than anyone else?
But I'm new to the game, so maybe I'm missing something.
But yes, buying stocks in a company which never pays out dividends seem weird because say Apple would be "worth" 300 billion in stock value, and have 200 billion in cash (or cash + facilities), what do you get for the next 100 billion? And when will you get something back? If they never pay out any dividends and things start going bad will they just use up the money, never pay anything back and you're see your share price fall?
Meanwhile I guess Apple and Steve keeps the money as a buffer in case things do go wrong and they need to survive / be able to re-invest in something else and save themselves. If they money has left the company that would be much harder.
I know Volvo (not cars, trucks and construction gear) had saved a lot of money where the idea was to spend them on buying up smaller companies if the business cycle turned down for a low price and then gain even more advantages when things turned brighter again. That seems reasonable smart?
However some huge investor bought into Volvo and had them pay out lots of money to the share holders and then he left the company. So that way he turned a fast profit for himself and everyone else and maybe it was the right thing to do, what do I know, maybe they had collected too much cash? But over time I assume it was bad since it left Volvo much more vulnerable to a turn down on the global economy and rather impossible / harder to buy other companies to come back stronger.
Collided protons at over 99.999999% the speed of light to recreate the conditions about 100 femto-seconds after the Big Bang to see if they produce Dark Matter particles which make up about 23% of the Universe.
How do you know?!
Personally I hit the light switch a couple of hours ago, recreating the first day of the creation of the world. Later I'll hang a bucket of water from the ceiling.
... after researching which phones can easily be 'rooted' and which brands have a reputation for maintaining the phone so you'll get the latest version of the OS?
(Or well, if you're OK with non-Android devices also: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ but it's pretty alone with Maemo and MeeGo isn't finished. The S^3 devices should be upgradable in the future, such as the N8. Also I think Palm Pre/WebOS have a nice reputation when it comes to openness/upgrade-ability?)
I have to admit I'm not even sure if the 10-15.000 SEK was iPhone with Telia in Sweden or the price of iPhone + AT&T (?) plans in the US converted to SEK.
It was released much later over here. Also I never bought one, so.. Regarding plans I assume that even if it was 10-15.000 here maybe you got more options a little later. In the US I got the impression it was sold with an "everything and a little extra on top"-plan.
Personally,/.-geek as I am. I don't use my phone very much, I mean, who would I call anyway? My mom? Then what? So those company like plans don't suit me. But I would still have had to pay for it...
I'd much rather pay for the phone and get a pre-paid card or some very simply plan with decent "surf" ability and be done with it.
Also of course one don't have to buy all five iPhones and very few do I guess.
Still some seem to be in a rush even though you would probably be quite ok with a path like iPhone -> iPhone 3Gs -> iPhone 5.
What I feel disturbing but Apple isn't alone with that is that you can't upgrade the phone to the latest version, though they have had some upgrades of course for each and every phone, but not forever. And that there are some features I believe should had been there in the first place. Like for instance the new display would obviously had been hard to fit there in the first version. But maybe it could have had 3G support or do MMS or whatever. And I also don't get why the 3G phone couldn't do video phone calls over 3G as any other 3G phone instead of their own stuff. Though I guess their own stuff may look better if you use it with someone else who also got an iPhone.
Anyway, I'm too cheap for it. Give me something I can upgrade for long, preferably stock and preferably with plenty of patches and hacks. With in the Android world would be the Nexus.
I kinda rather want the "PC"-equivalent of a phone and not something like a blu-ray player with built-in games if you get my drift:)
Apple's traditional customers have been loyal for a reason - they've delivered quality and real, practical utility in exchange for the price paid.
Yeah, but then IBM couldn't improve the G5/PPC970 enough and they switched to x86 and started making appliances instead of improving OS and computers.;)
then we'll find out how much all these boys really are fans of Apple.No way a similar former unknown brand device would be able to compete against an Apple branded device at the same price. At a much lower price or with a much much better device sure.
I do agree though that the original iPhone really improved smart-phone interfaces by a lot. Another leap would be all the 3rd party apps but they didn't had those at first remember? No SDK either. I assume WebOS did its fair share of improving the interface as well though not many will have noticed.
Version 5 should have resolved any teething problems and there is a long way to go for Google to reach that point of maturity in its mobile OS.
And by version 5 it's probably cost you what? 3000-5000 US$ ?
No, I'm not kidding. I live in Sweden and normally you can buy the phone with no subscription.
Katshing.se sell the iPhone 4 16GB for 6000-6400 depending on which contract provider you choose, so even more without locking it in I guess.
6000 SEK = 890 USD
I know the USD&YEN&GBP&Euro are all weak ATM and sure we've got 25% VAT.
The first version was something like 10-15.000 SEK if you counted in the subscription you had to get because back then you couldn't buy it without one.
4000 USD would mean 800 USD / phone which may be pretty correct. Maybe more, maybe less. Higher valued dollar = less, but on the other side the first models where probably even more expensive. So..
"Fast friendly service and if you say it wasn't we'll sure you". Apple needs to ship him a new computer and cut off ties with the service company. It'll cost them a 100X as much in the long run.
Nah, that's not how Apple does business.
Also they can just remove any negative posts or threads on their forum.
Sites outside of Apples reach? They to will filter themselves, any negative comments on Slashdot for instance will soon find their way down below anyone's viewing threshold.
So even if the Apple distortion field doesn't work for you, it will for sure work ON you. Problem solved.
True that. Some smarter phones does indeed have a shitty standby time and maybe music playing makes it much worse. Guess it will be less of an issue as computing capability improves.
N8 again: Standby time (maximum):
* GSM 390 h
* WCDMA 400 h Music playback time (offline mode, maximum): 50 h
Not that many dedicated players play music for much more than that? I know some do. Or maybe many more nowadays?
I wonder if one can assume that battery life of 400 hours = no music or anything else and music life 50 hours = nothing else.
Battery usage is 1/8 when using the phone compared to music playing? 8/9 * 50 = 44 hours of music playing with phone on?
I don't count in streaming music and playing games since I assume either you don't do that on the media player or you do that and don't get the full amount of music playing time there either.
Retarded if it's vendor locked in not to and pretty gay if the service provider try to decide such things. I wouldn't accept it. Suck if everyone does it. In that case someone should regulate it all away. Who are they to limit network usage? (Though we've seen caps for downloads as well.)
The MP3-player is dead. Heck, the PMP is pretty dead to.
Eventually I could almost go as far as saying that the non-enthusiast compact camera market is (rather will soon be) dead to.
* All phones can play music now. * Plenty of phones can play video. * Mobile phone cameras become better, and as soon as they are _GOOD ENOUGH_ much better doesn't help much. Regular people don't drag around their camera, they do with their mobile phone.
The Nokia N8 can play 720p 30 fps H.264 video and even got HDMI output for 6 hours of video playback. Beyond a memory card you can also hook up UMS devices such as USB memory sticks or an external hard-drive. If it would had ran MeeGo I assume it would had picked up even more formats faster (as soon as you can get VLC running and play ogg, flag and all the tracker formats such as mod, s3m, xm and so on what more is there to ask for?.)
The camera sensor is 1/1.8", bigger than for instance the latest (?) Canon Powershot SD4500 IS / IXUS 1000 HS (1/2.3".)
I think being swede counts are being a flower child;)
And Ericsson cooperated with Chinese companies (?) for network communication, for instance Huawei.
Ericsson was 18 times bigger.
Later Swedish Banverket (the rail-road company) bought their equipment from Huawei and became their first international reference.
And now Huawei is what? 20% smaller than Ericsson?
Worked great!:D
ABB are saying that the Chinese can't build 800 kV equipment, but they have gain the knowledge to build, but they have copied (?) / stolen (?) enough to be able to build if it's 500 kV gear. My references, quotes and facts for all this will fail so bad:D
But anyway, yeah, good for them!! The Chinese demanded that more R&D should be put there and since taxation was lower ABB did so. Great.
Also they don't want to build with 800 kV gear ATM as I understood things.
Our precious pearls =P, I wonder if they will rip off H&M as well? IKEA? =P The Geeley guy said they would digest (similar meaning at least) Volvo cars in just a few years. Don't know how competition is for Atlas-Copco but maybe it's there as well?
Or maybe I'm just spreading FUD? Or a victim of FUD? I don't know myself:)
Funny how people see capitalism, free market and globalization now...
Sure they are willing to offer more for less, so hence they will gain the most.
But richer people in china and higher productivity gives more items and eventually still for less.
What will fail is resources and energy. Mostly energy I assume since if nothing else the resource issue is and issue even when it comes to generating more energy.
The sooner and better you recycle the more items and better for everyone in the future. Should be freaking obvious. You can make lots of car batteries, touch screens, solar panels and so on as long as you recycle the minerals I assume. If you're going to dump and spread them all over the globe afterward with no mines with higher concentrations / other minerals you mine anyway then tough luck.
I've been playing a little Giana Sisters on my DS and damn it's easy.
I don't remember it being that easy (maybe not the same levels?) on my Amiga.
But on the Amiga I played it by (digital) joystick in the shape of TAC-II or The Bug which makes for loser handling and less precise control. _Not_ what you want than the difference of falling and having something under your feet is just one pixel =P
So I guess all the joystick games where harder just because they used the joystick.
You could hook up a Sega Megadrive controller to the Amiga if I remember correctly, obviously just with one button, but anyway. Maybe that would had leaved you with more precise control?
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I'd like to look at it in three ways.
1) Personally I see the dividend as the reason to invest at all, and as such it needs to pay out more than a bank account or you're stupid (?) since it's much riskier. Now people can of course pay more for the stock compared to the current earnings of the company because they assume earnings will improve in the future and hence give a reason to pay out a higher dividend by then.
2) Then we have the companies with lots of resources, either cash or invested in say buildings. If you can get 2-3 $ for every dollar you spend then it should be a good deal? (Unless you think there is a reason for that and those 2-3 $ will soon disappear.)
3) In conflict with #1 goes whatever the company should pay out the dividend at all if you can't decide to put it to better use yourself anyway. That is, if the company can invest the money in itself and turn out more profit from that money than the bank account rate, should it give the money back? If it can generate more profit than the stock market at large? More profit than anyone else?
But I'm new to the game, so maybe I'm missing something.
But yes, buying stocks in a company which never pays out dividends seem weird because say Apple would be "worth" 300 billion in stock value, and have 200 billion in cash (or cash + facilities), what do you get for the next 100 billion? And when will you get something back? If they never pay out any dividends and things start going bad will they just use up the money, never pay anything back and you're see your share price fall?
Meanwhile I guess Apple and Steve keeps the money as a buffer in case things do go wrong and they need to survive / be able to re-invest in something else and save themselves. If they money has left the company that would be much harder.
I know Volvo (not cars, trucks and construction gear) had saved a lot of money where the idea was to spend them on buying up smaller companies if the business cycle turned down for a low price and then gain even more advantages when things turned brighter again. That seems reasonable smart?
However some huge investor bought into Volvo and had them pay out lots of money to the share holders and then he left the company. So that way he turned a fast profit for himself and everyone else and maybe it was the right thing to do, what do I know, maybe they had collected too much cash? But over time I assume it was bad since it left Volvo much more vulnerable to a turn down on the global economy and rather impossible / harder to buy other companies to come back stronger.
Oh well.
Collided protons at over 99.999999% the speed of light to recreate the conditions about 100 femto-seconds after the Big Bang to see if they produce Dark Matter particles which make up about 23% of the Universe.
How do you know?!
Personally I hit the light switch a couple of hours ago, recreating the first day of the creation of the world. Later I'll hang a bucket of water from the ceiling.
That suck, so no upgrades of 1366 processors until then?
Will 1356 be the new mainstream and 2011 the new enthusiast/workstation/... or what? Guess I can check myself.
I don't know whatever 1366 is worth it or not. It seems like but it still feels older :)
6700 SEK is lowest:
http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=630392
This one is unlocked and with no subscription in the US?
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPhone-Black-Smartphone-16GB/dp/B0041E16RC
734.99 U.S. dollars = 4 920.76457 Swedish kronor
4 921 * 1.25 = 6 151.25
So at least there's not much of a "foreigner premium" on the device.
... after researching which phones can easily be 'rooted' and which brands have a reputation for maintaining the phone so you'll get the latest version of the OS?
http://www.google.com/nexus/
(Or well, if you're OK with non-Android devices also:
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ but it's pretty alone with Maemo and MeeGo isn't finished.
The S^3 devices should be upgradable in the future, such as the N8.
Also I think Palm Pre/WebOS have a nice reputation when it comes to openness/upgrade-ability?)
I have to admit I'm not even sure if the 10-15.000 SEK was iPhone with Telia in Sweden or the price of iPhone + AT&T (?) plans in the US converted to SEK.
It was released much later over here. Also I never bought one, so .. Regarding plans I assume that even if it was 10-15.000 here maybe you got more options a little later. In the US I got the impression it was sold with an "everything and a little extra on top"-plan.
Personally, /.-geek as I am. I don't use my phone very much, I mean, who would I call anyway? My mom? Then what? So those company like plans don't suit me. But I would still have had to pay for it...
I'd much rather pay for the phone and get a pre-paid card or some very simply plan with decent "surf" ability and be done with it.
Also of course one don't have to buy all five iPhones and very few do I guess.
Still some seem to be in a rush even though you would probably be quite ok with a path like iPhone -> iPhone 3Gs -> iPhone 5.
What I feel disturbing but Apple isn't alone with that is that you can't upgrade the phone to the latest version, though they have had some upgrades of course for each and every phone, but not forever. And that there are some features I believe should had been there in the first place. Like for instance the new display would obviously had been hard to fit there in the first version. But maybe it could have had 3G support or do MMS or whatever. And I also don't get why the 3G phone couldn't do video phone calls over 3G as any other 3G phone instead of their own stuff. Though I guess their own stuff may look better if you use it with someone else who also got an iPhone.
Anyway, I'm too cheap for it. Give me something I can upgrade for long, preferably stock and preferably with plenty of patches and hacks. With in the Android world would be the Nexus.
I kinda rather want the "PC"-equivalent of a phone and not something like a blu-ray player with built-in games if you get my drift :)
Apple's traditional customers have been loyal for a reason - they've delivered quality and real, practical utility in exchange for the price paid.
Yeah, but then IBM couldn't improve the G5/PPC970 enough and they switched to x86 and started making appliances instead of improving OS and computers. ;)
then we'll find out how much all these boys really are fans of Apple.No way a similar former unknown brand device would be able to compete against an Apple branded device at the same price. At a much lower price or with a much much better device sure.
I do agree though that the original iPhone really improved smart-phone interfaces by a lot. Another leap would be all the 3rd party apps but they didn't had those at first remember? No SDK either. I assume WebOS did its fair share of improving the interface as well though not many will have noticed.
Version 5 should have resolved any teething problems and there is a long way to go for Google to reach that point of maturity in its mobile OS.
And by version 5 it's probably cost you what? 3000-5000 US$ ?
No, I'm not kidding. I live in Sweden and normally you can buy the phone with no subscription.
Katshing.se sell the iPhone 4 16GB for 6000-6400 depending on which contract provider you choose, so even more without locking it in I guess.
6000 SEK = 890 USD
I know the USD&YEN&GBP&Euro are all weak ATM and sure we've got 25% VAT.
The first version was something like 10-15.000 SEK if you counted in the subscription you had to get because back then you couldn't buy it without one.
4000 USD would mean 800 USD / phone which may be pretty correct. Maybe more, maybe less. Higher valued dollar = less, but on the other side the first models where probably even more expensive. So..
Or you could had bought Apple stocks for those 4000 $ 4 years ago instead ..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5y&c=
That would had been more of an issue if the competition had better chips.
They don't.
So regardless if you feel Intel is holding their chips back or not what are you going to do about it?
I don't get why 1366 gets no love, and why things like this isn't on 1366?
I would had paid extra for triple-channel over dual-channel, but it suck when the enthusiast gear lags behind the normal stuff :/
Sure they use higher clock on their dual channel sticks, but why no chipset and processors with higher clock triple channel?
The tripe channel CPUs perform better for SCII even though it only uses two of the cores. Enough said =P
"Fast friendly service and if you say it wasn't we'll sure you". Apple needs to ship him a new computer and cut off ties with the service company. It'll cost them a 100X as much in the long run.
Nah, that's not how Apple does business.
Also they can just remove any negative posts or threads on their forum.
Sites outside of Apples reach? They to will filter themselves, any negative comments on Slashdot for instance will soon find their way down below anyone's viewing threshold.
So even if the Apple distortion field doesn't work for you, it will for sure work ON you. Problem solved.
Cheers!
Apple would demonstrate to be on their customers' side for once.
So, how's that infinite improbability drive working for you?
Care to pick me up?
When I ask people who's the first dork they can think of they all answer:
- You!
Now I've found out there are plenty of other dorks around, but obviously I was the first one, now ...
2) ...
3) profit!
Day light saving errors, new year errors, do they just have crappy coders at apple?
No, they've got crappy hardware designers as well!
Oups .. ;)
Click here to bribe our politicians, write our laws, and download our jobs.
Funny, you're the ones writing ours :D / Swede
True that. Some smarter phones does indeed have a shitty standby time and maybe music playing makes it much worse. Guess it will be less of an issue as computing capability improves.
N8 again:
Standby time (maximum):
* GSM 390 h
* WCDMA 400 h
Music playback time (offline mode, maximum): 50 h
Not that many dedicated players play music for much more than that? I know some do. Or maybe many more nowadays?
I wonder if one can assume that battery life of 400 hours = no music or anything else and music life 50 hours = nothing else.
Battery usage is 1/8 when using the phone compared to music playing?
8/9 * 50 = 44 hours of music playing with phone on?
I don't count in streaming music and playing games since I assume either you don't do that on the media player or you do that and don't get the full amount of music playing time there either.
And any real phone should to ..
Retarded if it's vendor locked in not to and pretty gay if the service provider try to decide such things. I wouldn't accept it. Suck if everyone does it. In that case someone should regulate it all away. Who are they to limit network usage? (Though we've seen caps for downloads as well.)
The MP3-player is dead. Heck, the PMP is pretty dead to.
Eventually I could almost go as far as saying that the non-enthusiast compact camera market is (rather will soon be) dead to.
* All phones can play music now.
* Plenty of phones can play video.
* Mobile phone cameras become better, and as soon as they are _GOOD ENOUGH_ much better doesn't help much. Regular people don't drag around their camera, they do with their mobile phone.
The Nokia N8 can play 720p 30 fps H.264 video and even got HDMI output for 6 hours of video playback. Beyond a memory card you can also hook up UMS devices such as USB memory sticks or an external hard-drive. If it would had ran MeeGo I assume it would had picked up even more formats faster (as soon as you can get VLC running and play ogg, flag and all the tracker formats such as mod, s3m, xm and so on what more is there to ask for?.)
The camera sensor is 1/1.8", bigger than for instance the latest (?) Canon Powershot SD4500 IS / IXUS 1000 HS (1/2.3".)
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/10/03/the-truth-about-engadgets-nokia-n8-versus-iphone-4/
* N8 vs Ixus 130: http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/n8ixus-5.png?w=600&h=343
* N8 (2nd) vs iPhone4 (3rd): http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/img.png?w=252&h=987
http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/
* N8: http://vaibhavsharma.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-n8-01.jpg
* 550D DSLR: http://vaibhavsharma.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr-01.jpg
Sure the 550D totally smokes it, but the pictures aren't totally unusable. And that's most that matters.
At least they have got similar equipment.
ZTE Blade
Huawei U8500
Huawei 4G
Though the processors is slower (but not impossible for them to get faster ones I assume? They just want to keep prices low?)
I think being swede counts are being a flower child ;)
And Ericsson cooperated with Chinese companies (?) for network communication, for instance Huawei.
Ericsson was 18 times bigger.
Later Swedish Banverket (the rail-road company) bought their equipment from Huawei and became their first international reference.
And now Huawei is what? 20% smaller than Ericsson?
Worked great! :D
ABB are saying that the Chinese can't build 800 kV equipment, but they have gain the knowledge to build, but they have copied (?) / stolen (?) enough to be able to build if it's 500 kV gear. My references, quotes and facts for all this will fail so bad :D
But anyway, yeah, good for them!! The Chinese demanded that more R&D should be put there and since taxation was lower ABB did so. Great.
Also they don't want to build with 800 kV gear ATM as I understood things.
Our precious pearls =P, I wonder if they will rip off H&M as well? IKEA? =P
The Geeley guy said they would digest (similar meaning at least) Volvo cars in just a few years.
Don't know how competition is for Atlas-Copco but maybe it's there as well?
Or maybe I'm just spreading FUD? Or a victim of FUD? I don't know myself :)
Funny how people see capitalism, free market and globalization now...
Sure they are willing to offer more for less, so hence they will gain the most.
But richer people in china and higher productivity gives more items and eventually still for less.
What will fail is resources and energy. Mostly energy I assume since if nothing else the resource issue is and issue even when it comes to generating more energy.
The sooner and better you recycle the more items and better for everyone in the future. Should be freaking obvious. You can make lots of car batteries, touch screens, solar panels and so on as long as you recycle the minerals I assume. If you're going to dump and spread them all over the globe afterward with no mines with higher concentrations / other minerals you mine anyway then tough luck.
So fucking stupid not to.
The Amiga or an emulator + USB controller pads? :D
You're sure it's not just that running around, fighting, healing and doing everything at once is much easier on a PC thanks to superior controls?
Or did they just stand there pointer at team-mate waiting to press the healing button 5000 times in a row?
I actually thought the same one-two days ago.
I've been playing a little Giana Sisters on my DS and damn it's easy.
I don't remember it being that easy (maybe not the same levels?) on my Amiga.
But on the Amiga I played it by (digital) joystick in the shape of TAC-II or The Bug which makes for loser handling and less precise control. _Not_ what you want than the difference of falling and having something under your feet is just one pixel =P
So I guess all the joystick games where harder just because they used the joystick.
You could hook up a Sega Megadrive controller to the Amiga if I remember correctly, obviously just with one button, but anyway. Maybe that would had leaved you with more precise control?
Also, mouse Quake players beat keyboard players! :D