Got any proof for what you are saying or are you just leaking from your ass?
Also are the standard even made by Eloffice or was they just the first ones to implement it in their office suite because, like, they are chinese and the chinese people are their biggest market?
I don't see the benefit of not trying to make them work good together in case both will succeed, but I'd prefer if there was only one standard instead of the current three ones. Good work...
"Omg,.doc changes all the time, let's create three other standards.":/ Fail.
Something which is weird is that I know it was recently banned here in Sweden in laundrary detergents, but then I read a test of cleaning power in multiple ones and the store "Willys" own brand was supposed to be the best one, so I bought a box.
The packaging says "new formula" and I noticed the ingredient list said "fosfor." I wonder if the ingredient list is wrong or if they actually made a kind of illegal detergent or whatever have happened. I did so back then aswell but I didn't knew how much of a deal it was so I haven't bothered to call them and ask yet. Will do.
Some language nazi may hit upon me but I guess it can be somewhat ironic that it tooks them so many years to come to the conclusion that the problem was phosphorous (a conclusion they already had earlier but I guess the submitter/commented missed that) and then they finally told everyone it had just recently got banned anyway so it didn't mattered longer.
Well, the article mentions that it was phosphorus alone and not nitrogen which was the problem. So it may still be "news", because now they know that nitrogen isn't part of the problem. Which kind of renders the swedish wikipedia entry wrong then I guess.
Ok, yes, that way then can still keep the old look for those who need it and don't fuck it up for a year or two while still trying to make it much easier to use for someone which have never used Office. (My mom for instance will have no idea at all how to use office so for someone like her there is no advantage of having a familiar/old gui.)
Yeah, I ended up trying to quit safari and then force quitting it, then I tried to install pithelmet but it said that the installation failed because it couldn't extract pithelmetPreflight or something like that.
I figured maybe it was because I had force quit Safari and would try after upgrading to 10.5.4 when the machine had rebooted in case there was some lock file or similair messing up.
But first I tried to stop openfire and for some stupid reason I pressed open administration console as well, which opened safari and well, fuck! That's NOT the window I want to have open the next time I start safari.
So I asked safari to reload all my old windows and it did. The problem was only that I knew I hadn't logged in yet so I'll end up at the front page and I didn't wanted to have a bunch of front pages for the next time, so I hurried to kill Safari again in case it would keep the URLs in the address bar.
Rebooted, tried to install Pithelmet again, no success.
Started safari and let it open all old windows, got a huge amount of empy tabs, obviously it didn't saved the URLs and since the page hadn't loaded in yet last time I ran Safari I was left without them.. Closed almost all of them but two tabs or something had loaded but those didn't worked and ended up on the front page of the website I was visiting since I hadn't been logged in last time. So that failed.
Closed Safari normally, started Opera and fetched Pithelmet again, tried to install it again since Safari was closed normally this time, no luck.
Checked for Safari updates, there was an x.2, downloaded that one and tried to install it but it says it can't install because I need OS X 10.5.2 or above, I have 10.5.4, so what the fuck is up with that?
That one is only for Windows or what? In that case ther error message is wrong and it should say that I already have the latest version.
Safari still suck, I hate to be bothered with this kind of bullshit.
If I had force quit Opera while loading all my tabs would work, and it have it's own ad blocker, and it don't leak insane amounts of RAM.
I think it's safe to force quit firefox while loading to, and I will start to use that instead of Opera but my Opera have like 60-70 tabs and my firefox got like 430 so I prefered Opera since it would start faster.
I don't remember if I have Saft installed or not.
Quit doesn't always work with the browsers, or it just takes ages, most often I end up using force quit.. Maybe because it's a MBP and slow harddrive.
Yeah, I know I should had logged in in one of those tabs first and then opened all the rest, I just forgot in the rush when I noticed Safari started running again without my intention. Stupid app which didn't told me it would start my browser or something, I hate them to!
Pointing domains in the hosts file to localhost won't take away specific banner images or flash animations but instead block whole servers, I don't want that. It's retarded.
Adblock plus + flashblock own, pithelmet are very good if it works but it kind of never does, Operas adblock is a little annoying since you have to add lots of rules yourself but it works of course. I'd prefer if flash applications didn't ran automatically though, so firefox is still king.
Because I have no idea what would get better with a joystick? I do know what would be better with a user interface not consisting of 40 paletts/panels.
Well, if we are comparing it that way I guess LaTeX are similar, there you don't have to bother about looks or move around images or marginals or anything. I'm not sure I'd say it's the user interface of vim which makes it good though, and it's not the kind of solution Apple are looking at (if you look at functionality many of their applications lack features.)
I guess the Apple way of doing Latex would be theme with front page, list of contents, document and references and then three buttons for setting headlines and one for including images or tables. Done.
Yeah, better stick to living in caves dressed up in fur from the bear we recently killed, why try to improve on anything when the current thing works!?!
Well, if it works for them good for them. I won't touch it. And what now when Microsoft improved Office user interface to something better (at least according to me from the screenshots I've seen.), now they won't work the same will they? And people will consider OpenOffice user interface an older one and give it even less credit.
As long as the open source projects always try to copy the things which already exist (Hello early KDE..) and don't focus on doing something BETTER or new there will still be little reason to use or change to them.
I understand why they do it, it's just that it's not the way I'd do it. (In KDEs case I'd try to make a good window manager with innovative concepts and solutions on how to make things better, not trying to copy the Windows experience. And I'm talking about the window manager / desktop part not all the applications.)
Yeah, I understand that's probably the reason, but is it a good one? How can you make a better product if all you do is trying to copy the original one? Innovate don't replicate.
If they look similar but OpenOffice got some small flaws like not perfect document support people will see it as Microsoft Office being better.
If OpenOffice on the other hand was laid out in a totally different way and it worked well people would wonder why they should pay for that other software with that messy user interface.
Yeah, hopefully iWork will get ODF support, if it can support the kind of stuff Apple wants to do. I wonder if it would render correctly in another editor though. For instance Apples image cut and rotation stuff, would that require them to store the smaller modified image in the document? In that case I'd prefer that they keep their format, or they could extend ODF I guess but that kind of defeats the purpose if everyone have their own versions anyway, sure the others could get support for rendering it later on. I don't know how ODF are supposed to work in those cases (where new functionality is needed.)
I'm not sure what you mean with "a firefox was done on it."
Well, since Safari eats all my RAM and crashes so often I kind of never notice the parts which may be good. I just blame myself each and every time I've started it and it happens again. But at least now I was told how to get my windows back so:)
I guess another nice thing with Firefox are all the extensions people have made but there exist quite a few for Safari as well.
My first point was probably mostly that I doubt Apple would want it open if they had an option, in the case of the OS and browser they have probably figured they'd lose more than they'd gain by no contributing back and being part of the community because it would be more work to get new functionality form the original branch into theirs all the time and such.
So far they haven't started their own open source projects have they? And if webkit was the only browser engine around maybe they'd be less willingly to contribute their improvements back.
Ah, cool, never knew about it, to bad it's not the default / asking if I want to do it when I open the application the next time.
Does it work after a crash as well?
So it's safe for me to close down Safari and install 10.5.4 and pithelmet and everything will come back the next time I start Safari? I don't know if I dare to try:)
Thanks!
Even had open latest closed Window as well, I've just checked the undo option and it haven't worked. I assume it works with tabs to? Weird to not put it under Edit -> Undo, eventually as "Undo latest Window option" or something if they want to keep the regular Undo for the current tab / window.
Also the biggest income from all the browsers are probably thru Google search boxes, which is what makes Mozilla foundation lots of money and what help Opera keep development going I assume.
And why does it matter now? Back then they could charge for it because it was so superior, at least according to themselves. But now when there is firefox they can't so it's free, big deal? It's still a good browser.
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No one forces you to use a proprietarian office suite just because you use their open format.
Got any proof for what you are saying or are you just leaking from your ass?
Also are the standard even made by Eloffice or was they just the first ones to implement it in their office suite because, like, they are chinese and the chinese people are their biggest market?
... or the people of Iraq.
Asshole.
I don't see the benefit of not trying to make them work good together in case both will succeed, but I'd prefer if there was only one standard instead of the current three ones. Good work...
"Omg, .doc changes all the time, let's create three other standards." :/ Fail.
I guess one thing is that it will be the standard for the government in a country with 1.3 billion inhabitans?
But yes, I'd also like to see a more extended comparision, I saw something in the articles mentioned I belive but it wasn't much.
Something which is weird is that I know it was recently banned here in Sweden in laundrary detergents, but then I read a test of cleaning power in multiple ones and the store "Willys" own brand was supposed to be the best one, so I bought a box.
The packaging says "new formula" and I noticed the ingredient list said "fosfor." I wonder if the ingredient list is wrong or if they actually made a kind of illegal detergent or whatever have happened. I did so back then aswell but I didn't knew how much of a deal it was so I haven't bothered to call them and ask yet. Will do.
Box - http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p7236797ct6.jpg
(Notice new formula and dosage in upper left corner.)
Ingredients - http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p7236799tf8.jpg
(15-30% Phosphates (5% Phosphorous))
Some language nazi may hit upon me but I guess it can be somewhat ironic that it tooks them so many years to come to the conclusion that the problem was phosphorous (a conclusion they already had earlier but I guess the submitter/commented missed that) and then they finally told everyone it had just recently got banned anyway so it didn't mattered longer.
Kind of? Who cares :D
Well, the article mentions that it was phosphorus alone and not nitrogen which was the problem. So it may still be "news", because now they know that nitrogen isn't part of the problem. Which kind of renders the swedish wikipedia entry wrong then I guess.
I also suspect they polute way less / capita even if they do use phosphorus based detergents.
I'd guess soap and water or only water may be the case aswell.
It came from their average desktop using 114 watt, and this one using 2 watt. 114-2=112 watt difference.
112 watts * 40 hours / week = 4.48 kwh / week in energy savings.
2460/4.48 = 549 people using this one instead for a week = 1 ton of coal saved.
What happens to the aluminium frames?
Hey, I don't like how you tell me what I do or don't do!
I'd never pay a subscription fee for software! :)
Ok, yes, that way then can still keep the old look for those who need it and don't fuck it up for a year or two while still trying to make it much easier to use for someone which have never used Office. (My mom for instance will have no idea at all how to use office so for someone like her there is no advantage of having a familiar/old gui.)
Yeah, I ended up trying to quit safari and then force quitting it, then I tried to install pithelmet but it said that the installation failed because it couldn't extract pithelmetPreflight or something like that.
I figured maybe it was because I had force quit Safari and would try after upgrading to 10.5.4 when the machine had rebooted in case there was some lock file or similair messing up.
But first I tried to stop openfire and for some stupid reason I pressed open administration console as well, which opened safari and well, fuck! That's NOT the window I want to have open the next time I start safari.
So I asked safari to reload all my old windows and it did. The problem was only that I knew I hadn't logged in yet so I'll end up at the front page and I didn't wanted to have a bunch of front pages for the next time, so I hurried to kill Safari again in case it would keep the URLs in the address bar.
Rebooted, tried to install Pithelmet again, no success.
Started safari and let it open all old windows, got a huge amount of empy tabs, obviously it didn't saved the URLs and since the page hadn't loaded in yet last time I ran Safari I was left without them .. Closed almost all of them but two tabs or something had loaded but those didn't worked and ended up on the front page of the website I was visiting since I hadn't been logged in last time. So that failed.
Closed Safari normally, started Opera and fetched Pithelmet again, tried to install it again since Safari was closed normally this time, no luck.
Checked for Safari updates, there was an x.2, downloaded that one and tried to install it but it says it can't install because I need OS X 10.5.2 or above, I have 10.5.4, so what the fuck is up with that?
Pithelmet installation error:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bild201cs9.png
Safari upgrade error:
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bild203zr8.png
I noticed know when I cut that image that it says 311, not 312, why is that when Apples webpage says 3.1.2 is out?
http://www.apple.com/se/safari/download/
That one is only for Windows or what? In that case ther error message is wrong and it should say that I already have the latest version.
Safari still suck, I hate to be bothered with this kind of bullshit.
If I had force quit Opera while loading all my tabs would work, and it have it's own ad blocker, and it don't leak insane amounts of RAM.
I think it's safe to force quit firefox while loading to, and I will start to use that instead of Opera but my Opera have like 60-70 tabs and my firefox got like 430 so I prefered Opera since it would start faster.
I don't remember if I have Saft installed or not.
Quit doesn't always work with the browsers, or it just takes ages, most often I end up using force quit.. Maybe because it's a MBP and slow harddrive.
Yeah, I know I should had logged in in one of those tabs first and then opened all the rest, I just forgot in the rush when I noticed Safari started running again without my intention. Stupid app which didn't told me it would start my browser or something, I hate them to!
Pointing domains in the hosts file to localhost won't take away specific banner images or flash animations but instead block whole servers, I don't want that. It's retarded.
Adblock plus + flashblock own, pithelmet are very good if it works but it kind of never does, Operas adblock is a little annoying since you have to add lots of rules yourself but it works of course. I'd prefer if flash applications didn't ran automatically though, so firefox is still king.
Because I have no idea what would get better with a joystick? I do know what would be better with a user interface not consisting of 40 paletts/panels.
Anyway there are no human or general rule in life right to get a partner, so..
Well, if we are comparing it that way I guess LaTeX are similar, there you don't have to bother about looks or move around images or marginals or anything. I'm not sure I'd say it's the user interface of vim which makes it good though, and it's not the kind of solution Apple are looking at (if you look at functionality many of their applications lack features.)
I guess the Apple way of doing Latex would be theme with front page, list of contents, document and references and then three buttons for setting headlines and one for including images or tables. Done.
Yeah, better stick to living in caves dressed up in fur from the bear we recently killed, why try to improve on anything when the current thing works!?!
Well, if it works for them good for them. I won't touch it. And what now when Microsoft improved Office user interface to something better (at least according to me from the screenshots I've seen.), now they won't work the same will they? And people will consider OpenOffice user interface an older one and give it even less credit.
As long as the open source projects always try to copy the things which already exist (Hello early KDE ..) and don't focus on doing something BETTER or new there will still be little reason to use or change to them.
I understand why they do it, it's just that it's not the way I'd do it. (In KDEs case I'd try to make a good window manager with innovative concepts and solutions on how to make things better, not trying to copy the Windows experience. And I'm talking about the window manager / desktop part not all the applications.)
But with a good user interface there shouldn't be much "training" needed to find what you want.
Also I hate how schools teach a product and not a concept. Why is it important to know how to make a list of contents in Word?
In my opinion it's enough with the OS font dialogue, the concept of margins and similar stuff, and then apply that knowledge on the product of choice.
Yeah, I understand that's probably the reason, but is it a good one? How can you make a better product if all you do is trying to copy the original one? Innovate don't replicate.
If they look similar but OpenOffice got some small flaws like not perfect document support people will see it as Microsoft Office being better.
If OpenOffice on the other hand was laid out in a totally different way and it worked well people would wonder why they should pay for that other software with that messy user interface.
Yeah, hopefully iWork will get ODF support, if it can support the kind of stuff Apple wants to do. I wonder if it would render correctly in another editor though. For instance Apples image cut and rotation stuff, would that require them to store the smaller modified image in the document? In that case I'd prefer that they keep their format, or they could extend ODF I guess but that kind of defeats the purpose if everyone have their own versions anyway, sure the others could get support for rendering it later on. I don't know how ODF are supposed to work in those cases (where new functionality is needed.)
I'm not sure what you mean with "a firefox was done on it."
Well, since Safari eats all my RAM and crashes so often I kind of never notice the parts which may be good. I just blame myself each and every time I've started it and it happens again. But at least now I was told how to get my windows back so :)
I guess another nice thing with Firefox are all the extensions people have made but there exist quite a few for Safari as well.
My first point was probably mostly that I doubt Apple would want it open if they had an option, in the case of the OS and browser they have probably figured they'd lose more than they'd gain by no contributing back and being part of the community because it would be more work to get new functionality form the original branch into theirs all the time and such.
So far they haven't started their own open source projects have they? And if webkit was the only browser engine around maybe they'd be less willingly to contribute their improvements back.
Ah, cool, never knew about it, to bad it's not the default / asking if I want to do it when I open the application the next time.
Does it work after a crash as well?
So it's safe for me to close down Safari and install 10.5.4 and pithelmet and everything will come back the next time I start Safari? I don't know if I dare to try :)
Thanks!
Even had open latest closed Window as well, I've just checked the undo option and it haven't worked. I assume it works with tabs to? Weird to not put it under Edit -> Undo, eventually as "Undo latest Window option" or something if they want to keep the regular Undo for the current tab / window.
Also the biggest income from all the browsers are probably thru Google search boxes, which is what makes Mozilla foundation lots of money and what help Opera keep development going I assume.
And why does it matter now? Back then they could charge for it because it was so superior, at least according to themselves. But now when there is firefox they can't so it's free, big deal? It's still a good browser.
Maybe they took a look at the competition, saw that cool sudo dialogue box and how Linux handled drivers and said, "WE CAN DO THAT TO!!"
And no, i386 vs Amd64 wasn't free of troubles in the Linux distributions or BSDs either.