What Russian hacking? There is still zero evidence! Everything points to the DNC leaks coming from the inside. This is all such bullshit. All you fools are doing is ensuring that no outsider will ever run for an election again.
And you have exactly what proof that DNC leaks came internally? None? That's what I thought.
I value freedom and human dignity, however I'm not an idealist. My opinion is that the more of an idealist you are, the bigger a hypocrite you are.
I'll give you a trivial harm activity in line with smoking/vaping - fesces throwing. It's even a sign of intelligence (for chimps that throw more, apparently) Do you support such activity, or do you think you should not be subject to such walking out your front door. If not, why not?
The problem of course is that we're expected to take her/her people's word for it that she turned over everything relevant. Whereas if she did commit a crime, she'd have to be pretty stupid to then turn over the evidence when given the opportunity to censor it out.
Do you have any proof that any email of consequence from her was found on any other server? You do realize there's always 2 sources for emails when 1 is a "private" email server?
I'm going to stop you right there because the rest is pointless if you don't get this.
IF you receive a court order to turn over your E-mail, YOU don't get to pick and choose what is turned over. It ALL goes, regardless of if you think they are relevant or not. You and your lawyers do NOT get to sort them out and filter them in any way. She was legally required to turn over ALL the E-mails she had when the order was received, not a filtered subset. Had she destroyed them BEFORE she reasonably knew they where under a court order, she'd be in the clear from the court order's perspective.
OK, the first part was that she deleted emails in 2014 after turning over related emails to the State dept, well before the first subpoena in Mar 2015. Which was specifically limited to items related to Libya:
The subpoena, which was delivered to Clinton’s attorney in early March, requests all the documents sent to and from the private email Clinton used between Jan. 1, 2011, and Dec. 31, 2012, referring or related to the following subjects: Libya; weapons found traveling to or from Libya; the Benghazi attacks; and statements pertaining to the attacks.
So no, she didn't have to turn over her entire email set and she could and should have filtered them to meet the subpoena. Now, you can speculate all you want, but unless you have proof somewhere that she had copies of any relevant emails that may have turned up, unsurprisingly, in state dept email servers, then you're just blowing hot air.
So we're in agreement that my desire to be free from your vaping is as important as my health? Great - don't vape around me. I am not alone in my feelings and, in fact, appear to not even be in the minority. Note, I am not saying you can't go vaping all day long, what I am saying is you can't do it around me.
Everything you do harms someone somewhere, in some way. The very idea of freedom requires accepting de minimis harm from everyone else; that's just the trade off.
The burden of proof is on you to show that another's action will (on average) cause you non-trivial harm before you can make any sort of argument for restricting freedom.
That's an incorrect argument. My breathing doesn't harm you, along with a long line of other activities. So your entire premise is incorrect.
As for the burden of proof: why do you vape? Is it because it contains something that's not in air? If so, then it's up to you to contain those things and not affect others, generally. Yes, this goes for many other things you choose to do, including sound as a primary example. If you want a million watt bass system, great, go ahead. If you want to play it in an apartment, well, then you have to make adjustments to not bother the neighbors.
then [Hillary] didn't just turn them all over when they were requested
Except she did turn over everything relevant. Since there were intermingled emails, turning over everything was not necessary, no matter how it was painted or looked like. This doesn't mean her email use wasn't a huge error in judgement.
Like my company's default E-mail retention policy of 14 days. Crazy as it sounds, they do this for liability reasons (as well as limiting server space). Record retention policies are usually about limiting legal liability in the case of a lawsuit. "Oh, you want the E-mail from 30 days ago with that court order? Sorry, we only have 14 days worth due to our records retention policy..."
I'm not sure how that would fly should you actually go to court. You're required to keep certain types of documents for far longer than 14 days, whether they are in email or not.
Automation is going to force a serious reconciliation on how we deal with people. When most blue-collar and a significant portion of white collar work is done by robots, there literally won't be enough for the population to do.
Is it better to breathe air with or without car exhaust traces?
This is the reason various governments are now looking to remove ICC engines from vehicles. So yes, it is better to breathe air without car exhaust traces.
Is it better to drink water with or without added flavors?
Personal choice.
Is it better to have safety or freedom?
I choose the freedom of not being forced to breathe your vaping exhalations in public areas?
Be very careful what you're advocating for - do YOU want a world where nothing can be done for fun because it is 0.00001% more dangerous than not doing it?
Non-sequitor. What is being advocated in this specific instance is that the public should not be forced to suffer your specific mode of entertainment, much like one not being allowed to race through the playground in a car.
Here's some discussion likely about the "studies" funded by tobacco companies you're basing your statement on. Most studies since 1980 not funded by tobacco companies do find links to increased cancer risk. Does it actually cause cancer? We know the toxins in even second hand smoke, given in high enough doses over a long enough time will cause cancer or outright kill cells. Draw your own conclusions.
and some institutions are completely fine with this, having enough other altenative options / big currencies.
Euros, Rubles, etc.
US Dollars haven't been the only internationally relevant money for quite some time.
Euros are directly tied to the US, even though they, the Yuan, and others are bucking for a new internationally based basket. It hasn't happened yet, but with the US being run by an ADD pinhead with the political finesse of an elephant with explosive diarrhea, such a decision is likely to happen sooner than later.
US law do not apply anywhere else except in the US, no matter what some think.
What applies in countries in Europe, are international treaty that the have decided to adhere to and sign,
and local regulation.
US law doesn't, but the treaties that have been signed and the effect of the gorilla cutting you off are certainly more than effective to convince many to cooperate.
It's a US law. It applies to the US. You cannot force - directly through government - a foreign institution to comply.
The only way the US can force foreign institution to comply is by putting a tax on any transaction that they have with dollars.
Or refuse to do interactions altogether with them.
Economic pressure is huge. Do recall the US is 25% of the world's market, and far more in trade and trade related partners. If I had to guess, I'd say better than 70% of all trade is tied directly to or controlled by the US either internally or via US corporations subject to US laws.
Isolate the service and then any bank or nation that still interacts with that service.
...and some bank are completely happy with not doing any dollar transaction anymore and only transacting in Euros, Rubles, etc.
Yep, let's look at Russia, the largest country by area with immense natural resources and roughly half the population of the US, yet less than 1/10th the economy. They're doing swimmingly. Iran with half the population and less than a quarter of Russia's economy. Venezuala, a super oil-rich country with a little over a third of the population of Iran does a little better at 3/4s of the economy of Iran, but that's still terrible compared to the numbers of any of the other countries that play with the US and partners.
It goes back to the statement: fast, reliable, or cheap, pick 2. The web/mobile startups must have fast, and they're going cheap. I guess that explains it.
There are people who just lack the discipline to wfh. You appear to be one of them, and likely also have issues at work if someone's not keeping their eye on you (too much time at the water cooler for wardrich86, time to have a chat....)
Yes, they get a cut of everything. However, all they know is where you spend it. Retailers, so far, have been extremely reluctant to share what's actually sold and more importantly, for what price, whether it's with the CC company or vendors.
No because it is in a near vacuum. They are aiming for.1% air pressure of sea level which means you need about huge amount of volume of space to get breathable air, not to mention having to cycle the air in the tunnel as well to keep it at safe oxygen and CO2 levels. It makes no sense to do this when you could just carry the air with you.
And apparently that's still enough to cause potential sonic shockwaves and require a larger tunnel than previously thought. It's also a lot easier to keep a low pressure atmosphere over a near vacuum, as there should be semi-frequent openings of the tunnel system to atmosphere at destinations. While I imagine a lock system would be in place, it is safer to assume some leakage. It's a cool idea, but will it actually work on a commercial scale?
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You are aware that timestamps can be set? They are not proof of anything.
What Russian hacking? There is still zero evidence! Everything points to the DNC leaks coming from the inside. This is all such bullshit. All you fools are doing is ensuring that no outsider will ever run for an election again.
And you have exactly what proof that DNC leaks came internally? None? That's what I thought.
And how he has the most mentions ever, the greatest!
I too despise Hillary. I despise Hilter, err, Trump, more.
I value freedom and human dignity, however I'm not an idealist. My opinion is that the more of an idealist you are, the bigger a hypocrite you are.
I'll give you a trivial harm activity in line with smoking/vaping - fesces throwing. It's even a sign of intelligence (for chimps that throw more, apparently) Do you support such activity, or do you think you should not be subject to such walking out your front door. If not, why not?
I kind of hate my cellphone. It's what happens when it's an avenue for work to contact you at all hours.
The problem of course is that we're expected to take her/her people's word for it that she turned over everything relevant. Whereas if she did commit a crime, she'd have to be pretty stupid to then turn over the evidence when given the opportunity to censor it out.
Do you have any proof that any email of consequence from her was found on any other server? You do realize there's always 2 sources for emails when 1 is a "private" email server?
You are not supposed to be forcing your feelings and beliefs on other people, and they should not be doing the same to you.
Precisely, don't force your vaping on me.
You can't hear my car radio. The engine's too loud.
Why would I use scented toiletries?
Except she did turn over everything relevant. .
I'm going to stop you right there because the rest is pointless if you don't get this.
IF you receive a court order to turn over your E-mail, YOU don't get to pick and choose what is turned over. It ALL goes, regardless of if you think they are relevant or not. You and your lawyers do NOT get to sort them out and filter them in any way. She was legally required to turn over ALL the E-mails she had when the order was received, not a filtered subset. Had she destroyed them BEFORE she reasonably knew they where under a court order, she'd be in the clear from the court order's perspective.
OK, the first part was that she deleted emails in 2014 after turning over related emails to the State dept, well before the first subpoena in Mar 2015. Which was specifically limited to items related to Libya:
So no, she didn't have to turn over her entire email set and she could and should have filtered them to meet the subpoena. Now, you can speculate all you want, but unless you have proof somewhere that she had copies of any relevant emails that may have turned up, unsurprisingly, in state dept email servers, then you're just blowing hot air.
Freedom is at least as important as health.
So we're in agreement that my desire to be free from your vaping is as important as my health? Great - don't vape around me. I am not alone in my feelings and, in fact, appear to not even be in the minority. Note, I am not saying you can't go vaping all day long, what I am saying is you can't do it around me.
Everything you do harms someone somewhere, in some way. The very idea of freedom requires accepting de minimis harm from everyone else; that's just the trade off.
The burden of proof is on you to show that another's action will (on average) cause you non-trivial harm before you can make any sort of argument for restricting freedom.
That's an incorrect argument. My breathing doesn't harm you, along with a long line of other activities. So your entire premise is incorrect.
As for the burden of proof: why do you vape? Is it because it contains something that's not in air? If so, then it's up to you to contain those things and not affect others, generally. Yes, this goes for many other things you choose to do, including sound as a primary example. If you want a million watt bass system, great, go ahead. If you want to play it in an apartment, well, then you have to make adjustments to not bother the neighbors.
then [Hillary] didn't just turn them all over when they were requested
Except she did turn over everything relevant. Since there were intermingled emails, turning over everything was not necessary, no matter how it was painted or looked like. This doesn't mean her email use wasn't a huge error in judgement.
Like my company's default E-mail retention policy of 14 days. Crazy as it sounds, they do this for liability reasons (as well as limiting server space). Record retention policies are usually about limiting legal liability in the case of a lawsuit. "Oh, you want the E-mail from 30 days ago with that court order? Sorry, we only have 14 days worth due to our records retention policy..."
I'm not sure how that would fly should you actually go to court. You're required to keep certain types of documents for far longer than 14 days, whether they are in email or not.
Different people slow down at different ages. Some start in their 20s, others not until their 80s. (Look at Jack LaLanne, for instance)
Automation is going to force a serious reconciliation on how we deal with people. When most blue-collar and a significant portion of white collar work is done by robots, there literally won't be enough for the population to do.
Is it better to breathe air with or without car exhaust traces?
This is the reason various governments are now looking to remove ICC engines from vehicles. So yes, it is better to breathe air without car exhaust traces.
Is it better to drink water with or without added flavors?
Personal choice.
Is it better to have safety or freedom?
I choose the freedom of not being forced to breathe your vaping exhalations in public areas?
Be very careful what you're advocating for - do YOU want a world where nothing can be done for fun because it is 0.00001% more dangerous than not doing it?
Non-sequitor. What is being advocated in this specific instance is that the public should not be forced to suffer your specific mode of entertainment, much like one not being allowed to race through the playground in a car.
Here's some discussion likely about the "studies" funded by tobacco companies you're basing your statement on. Most studies since 1980 not funded by tobacco companies do find links to increased cancer risk. Does it actually cause cancer? We know the toxins in even second hand smoke, given in high enough doses over a long enough time will cause cancer or outright kill cells. Draw your own conclusions.
Actually, it's a simple question:
is it better to breathe air with or without vaping exhalations?
and some institutions are completely fine with this, having enough other altenative options / big currencies. Euros, Rubles, etc.
US Dollars haven't been the only internationally relevant money for quite some time.
Euros are directly tied to the US, even though they, the Yuan, and others are bucking for a new internationally based basket. It hasn't happened yet, but with the US being run by an ADD pinhead with the political finesse of an elephant with explosive diarrhea, such a decision is likely to happen sooner than later.
US law do not apply anywhere else except in the US, no matter what some think. What applies in countries in Europe, are international treaty that the have decided to adhere to and sign, and local regulation.
US law doesn't, but the treaties that have been signed and the effect of the gorilla cutting you off are certainly more than effective to convince many to cooperate.
It's a US law. It applies to the US. You cannot force - directly through government - a foreign institution to comply. The only way the US can force foreign institution to comply is by putting a tax on any transaction that they have with dollars. Or refuse to do interactions altogether with them.
Economic pressure is huge. Do recall the US is 25% of the world's market, and far more in trade and trade related partners. If I had to guess, I'd say better than 70% of all trade is tied directly to or controlled by the US either internally or via US corporations subject to US laws.
Isolate the service and then any bank or nation that still interacts with that service.
...and some bank are completely happy with not doing any dollar transaction anymore and only transacting in Euros, Rubles, etc.
Yep, let's look at Russia, the largest country by area with immense natural resources and roughly half the population of the US, yet less than 1/10th the economy. They're doing swimmingly. Iran with half the population and less than a quarter of Russia's economy. Venezuala, a super oil-rich country with a little over a third of the population of Iran does a little better at 3/4s of the economy of Iran, but that's still terrible compared to the numbers of any of the other countries that play with the US and partners.
It goes back to the statement: fast, reliable, or cheap, pick 2. The web/mobile startups must have fast, and they're going cheap. I guess that explains it.
I'm a happy supporter of those retailers that give me a cash credit...
There are people who just lack the discipline to wfh. You appear to be one of them, and likely also have issues at work if someone's not keeping their eye on you (too much time at the water cooler for wardrich86, time to have a chat ....)
My previous house didn't have central A/C.
There's something just awesome about that statement and your nick...
Yes, they get a cut of everything. However, all they know is where you spend it. Retailers, so far, have been extremely reluctant to share what's actually sold and more importantly, for what price, whether it's with the CC company or vendors.
No because it is in a near vacuum. They are aiming for .1% air pressure of sea level which means you need about huge amount of volume of space to get breathable air, not to mention having to cycle the air in the tunnel as well to keep it at safe oxygen and CO2 levels. It makes no sense to do this when you could just carry the air with you.
And apparently that's still enough to cause potential sonic shockwaves and require a larger tunnel than previously thought. It's also a lot easier to keep a low pressure atmosphere over a near vacuum, as there should be semi-frequent openings of the tunnel system to atmosphere at destinations. While I imagine a lock system would be in place, it is safer to assume some leakage. It's a cool idea, but will it actually work on a commercial scale?