my gosh!!! Ace of Base! I had that MOD too! I got it from a local BBS back in the day. It took me almost an hour to download the stupid thing, only to discover it employed a shamefully large amount of looping... wasn't the whole song at all. But boy, do I wanna hear 'potatojuice' and 'the Ren and Stimpy song' again ^_^
you're probably right. I imagine they use UDP to avoid the overhead of sending TCP packets... and actually, I think you're definitely on to something with the 'sub-audible noise' thing... in the periods of silence between conversation, I notice... well, it's not sub-audible, because I can hear it... just the tiniest bit of white noise.
The lag is minimal even for long-distance connections. I live near the west coast of Canada, and my girlfriend lives in north Florida. (oh, how I love the Internet 9_9) Judging by the rhythm and flow of our conversation, I would guess that the worst it got on a regular basis was a lag of less than one xecond. (of course, there'd be some severe peak latencies now and then, lasting three seconds or so.)
I can understand how they reduced bandwidth-induced lag... their codec seems to be very well tuned for speech, degrades gracefully, and cuts out all sound below a certain threshhold... but once they reduce the number of bits, how on earth do they push those bits so damn fast across the continent?
hmmmm, I dunno. On Linux I stopped using Thunderbird a while ago... at 0.4, I believe. It always gave me grief. Sometimes I'd double-click on a message (I have preview pane turned off) and it would maximise itself, and then create seven jillion duplicate windows, and then crash. (no segfaults though.) Firefox has always worked beautifully on Gentoo for me, and I often have upwards of fifteen tabs in one window. I wish I could give you a more constructive answer, but I have no idea what's wrong.
I will, however, give you a standard boilerplate Gentoo forum answer: what are your compiler flags at? If they're at -O4, maybe knock them down a notch to -O3 or -O2. I doubt this will work, because you say even the precompiled Firefox doesn't work, but yeah... usually when you're getting segfaults it's time to look at your optimisation flags.
Yes, exactly! Spatial browsing works great for me! It doesn't for other people! GNOME should keep the spatial metaphor but allow users to change it easily! Your sig is great! I'm using too many exclamation points!!!
well, I do do that... most of the time... but something was nagging at me, saying this could be easier. Then I re-discovered the spatial metaphor, and I thought, gee, this is a little easier. The way my brain is wired, I just grokked it more readily.
I guess I should clarify (I thought it didn't come out well) that for the simple task of looking for a file in order to open it, spatial Nautilus is a bit much. I middle-click my way through the filesystem so I don't get window clutter -- which makes it almost like a browsing experience, because I only ever have one window open. But for more complex tasks, like moving or copying large piles of files, I like the fact that I may very well have opened my destination window already a few clicks ago. Like I said, I'm a spatially-oriented guy, not a timeline-oriented guy. I think the 'back' button on a folder window is one of the most counter-intuitive things around -- for me. (And I stress the 'for me' part.)
Okay, partly I like spatial Nautilus because I can pretend I'm as cool as those Mac guys too ^_^
well, I understand how to use the browser-style file manager, and I usually do open up a second instance (and of course I have to if the source and destination are in completely different paths). But sometimes I just plain don't want to, and the spatial file manager allows me to be lazy because I've already opened up that folder a little while ago (if it's in the same path of course).
and yes, I usually 'mv' or 'cp' in the terminal; it's much quicker for me because I'm a keyboard guy, not a mouse guy.
I do agree that the GNOME folks shouldn't have made spatial Nautilus a hard-to-change default, like I said in my original post.
IMO, the reason this keeps being debated is because of the great diversity of preferences among computer users. For instance, I find GNOME's new spatial thingy to be wonderful (for file managing, at least) in deep folders, as compared to a browser-type file manager. (incidentally, I find spatial browsers to be awful if all I want to do is open a file.) Why do I like it? because if I want to copy a folder in a browser-type file manager, I have to select the files/folders, press Ctrl-C, try to remember exactly how many times I need to press the 'Back' button to get back to the folder I want to copy the files into, and press Ctrl-V to past the files.
With spatial Nautilus, I find it a breeze to see both folders open on my desktop (even though it's awful clutter), and Ctrl-C Ctrl-V (or Alt-drag) just like that.
I guess my mind is spatially-oriented instead of timeline-oriented. But that's my point -- there is no one perfect way to do things. For instance, maybe the next person really likes the hybrid browser-plus-tree-sidebar approach that mixes spatial orientation (that tree), easy access to all the folders in the filesystem, and a wee bit o' browsing metaphor.
I was going to smugly inform the "why do I have to use GConf to get back my old Nautilus" posters that my stock GNOME allows you to change from spatial to browser view right in the Preferences... I was, of course, shocked to find out that I was talking through my hat and in fact there was no such setting. Although I'm very stuck on new spatial Nautilus, I agree that the lack of an easy-to-change option was a rash decision on the part of the GNOME devs.
holy chow! 79 DSL ISPs? We sorta have that here, but you look deeper and find out that all the small DSL providers are just resellers for Telus. These providers you're talking about aren't Bell resellers?
Mind you, in Canada the prices for broadband are pretty bloody cheap, so maybe that's why it costs less than unlimited dial-up and a second line. For those of you who live in that country below us and aren't familiar with the prices, Telus customers enjoy ADSL for as little as $28 USD/month (actually, less than $19 USD/month for the first year). When I moved down to Florida (I'm a snowbird), I was shocked at the Comcast prices -- so I shopped around, and BellSouth, Speakeasy, and all the others had the same price!
I wonder what sort of market factors are going on behind this huge price difference. I always thought steep competition lowers prices, but in Canada we have only one cable Internet provider and maybe two DSL providers. And low prices.
I knew the old BSD license (and the new XFree license) are incompatible with the GPL, but I didn't understand why the GPL had to be so vehemently against advertising clauses. Maybe this is why. I guess I can sorta imagine a five-megabyte README would be annoying ^_^
that is weird. I think they're probably waiting for the ATI thing to be cleared up, as well as making doubly sure there are no unresolved bugs, before they unmask it.
ah wait wait. There is a comparable alternative: dental root canal work. I found it to exhibit many of the same characteristics as an attempt to install the nVidia binary driver: intense pain, tinkering away at minutiae, being careful not to disturb other things while performing the operation... and plenty of blood, sweat, and tears.
maybe this is only a small point of contention, but Gentoo technically hasn't taken the plunge yet either. X.org (6.7.0) is in the package tree, and many Gentoo users are already using X.org, but it is marked unstable for all architectures. Gentoo is obviously making strong efforts to make the change, but they haven't totally changed over -- not just yet.
yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. I apologise if I end up opening up the same old flamewar, but what's so bad about an advertising clause?... or is there more to XFree's licensing change than meets the eye?
you know, the funny thing is I was thinking of using a Fujitsu Stylist as a stereo... just found out about the machine's existence yesterday, started looking for decent prices on eBay, and... turns out somebody already had the idea! this feels Twilight Zone-y.
'course, my idea wasn't half as cool as this... tape decks rock...
in my opinion, the value of Dreamweaver is not necessarily in its WYSIWYG whatever crap, but in its project management and its streamlining of the design process. You can write the same code in a number of different programs, but when you're dealing with anything over than twenty dynamic webpages (with their associated template and include files) it sure is handy to have something like Dreamweaver or GoLive to help you make sense of your mishmash of files... if you're a bit scatterbrained like me, that is.
I don't get any jerks, but I still get the out-of-sync problem I used to. (The true test of a new installation libflashplayer.so is, of course, to direct your web browser to Homestar Runner ^_^) And here's a bizarre twist: my old libflashplayer.so (version 6) one day just stopped having the latency problems altogether... and now they're back. Call me crazy, and maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened!
well maybe the W3C has spiffed up its specs recently, but when I went there to read about the XHTML spec, I found it incredibly obtuse... I eventually left.
do you mean they were exclusively Windows users, or simply that they used Windows? Because I don't think it's possible to work in the world of computers and technology without being exposed to Windows on a regular basis. I still have my (fully legitimate) copy of Windows XP on my hard drive for Flash authoring and a bit of vector art. So I guess that would classify me as a 'Windows user', although I find Linux much more sensible and powerful.
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gee, I thought it was really funny. I've never heard this joke before! (No, I'm not being facetious. I'm dead serious.)
my gosh!!! Ace of Base! I had that MOD too! I got it from a local BBS back in the day. It took me almost an hour to download the stupid thing, only to discover it employed a shamefully large amount of looping... wasn't the whole song at all. But boy, do I wanna hear 'potatojuice' and 'the Ren and Stimpy song' again ^_^
aw c'mon, mods... mod this baby up ^_^
heh heh. Very clever indeed.
you're probably right. I imagine they use UDP to avoid the overhead of sending TCP packets... and actually, I think you're definitely on to something with the 'sub-audible noise' thing... in the periods of silence between conversation, I notice... well, it's not sub-audible, because I can hear it... just the tiniest bit of white noise.
The lag is minimal even for long-distance connections. I live near the west coast of Canada, and my girlfriend lives in north Florida. (oh, how I love the Internet 9_9) Judging by the rhythm and flow of our conversation, I would guess that the worst it got on a regular basis was a lag of less than one xecond. (of course, there'd be some severe peak latencies now and then, lasting three seconds or so.)
I can understand how they reduced bandwidth-induced lag... their codec seems to be very well tuned for speech, degrades gracefully, and cuts out all sound below a certain threshhold... but once they reduce the number of bits, how on earth do they push those bits so damn fast across the continent?
hmmmm, I dunno. On Linux I stopped using Thunderbird a while ago... at 0.4, I believe. It always gave me grief. Sometimes I'd double-click on a message (I have preview pane turned off) and it would maximise itself, and then create seven jillion duplicate windows, and then crash. (no segfaults though.) Firefox has always worked beautifully on Gentoo for me, and I often have upwards of fifteen tabs in one window. I wish I could give you a more constructive answer, but I have no idea what's wrong.
I will, however, give you a standard boilerplate Gentoo forum answer: what are your compiler flags at? If they're at -O4, maybe knock them down a notch to -O3 or -O2. I doubt this will work, because you say even the precompiled Firefox doesn't work, but yeah... usually when you're getting segfaults it's time to look at your optimisation flags.
Yes, exactly! Spatial browsing works great for me! It doesn't for other people! GNOME should keep the spatial metaphor but allow users to change it easily! Your sig is great! I'm using too many exclamation points!!!
well, I do do that... most of the time... but something was nagging at me, saying this could be easier. Then I re-discovered the spatial metaphor, and I thought, gee, this is a little easier. The way my brain is wired, I just grokked it more readily.
I guess I should clarify (I thought it didn't come out well) that for the simple task of looking for a file in order to open it, spatial Nautilus is a bit much. I middle-click my way through the filesystem so I don't get window clutter -- which makes it almost like a browsing experience, because I only ever have one window open. But for more complex tasks, like moving or copying large piles of files, I like the fact that I may very well have opened my destination window already a few clicks ago. Like I said, I'm a spatially-oriented guy, not a timeline-oriented guy. I think the 'back' button on a folder window is one of the most counter-intuitive things around -- for me. (And I stress the 'for me' part.)
Okay, partly I like spatial Nautilus because I can pretend I'm as cool as those Mac guys too ^_^
well, I understand how to use the browser-style file manager, and I usually do open up a second instance (and of course I have to if the source and destination are in completely different paths). But sometimes I just plain don't want to, and the spatial file manager allows me to be lazy because I've already opened up that folder a little while ago (if it's in the same path of course).
and yes, I usually 'mv' or 'cp' in the terminal; it's much quicker for me because I'm a keyboard guy, not a mouse guy.
I do agree that the GNOME folks shouldn't have made spatial Nautilus a hard-to-change default, like I said in my original post.
IMO, the reason this keeps being debated is because of the great diversity of preferences among computer users. For instance, I find GNOME's new spatial thingy to be wonderful (for file managing, at least) in deep folders, as compared to a browser-type file manager. (incidentally, I find spatial browsers to be awful if all I want to do is open a file.) Why do I like it? because if I want to copy a folder in a browser-type file manager, I have to select the files/folders, press Ctrl-C, try to remember exactly how many times I need to press the 'Back' button to get back to the folder I want to copy the files into, and press Ctrl-V to past the files.
With spatial Nautilus, I find it a breeze to see both folders open on my desktop (even though it's awful clutter), and Ctrl-C Ctrl-V (or Alt-drag) just like that.
I guess my mind is spatially-oriented instead of timeline-oriented. But that's my point -- there is no one perfect way to do things. For instance, maybe the next person really likes the hybrid browser-plus-tree-sidebar approach that mixes spatial orientation (that tree), easy access to all the folders in the filesystem, and a wee bit o' browsing metaphor.
I was going to smugly inform the "why do I have to use GConf to get back my old Nautilus" posters that my stock GNOME allows you to change from spatial to browser view right in the Preferences... I was, of course, shocked to find out that I was talking through my hat and in fact there was no such setting. Although I'm very stuck on new spatial Nautilus, I agree that the lack of an easy-to-change option was a rash decision on the part of the GNOME devs.
ah, so they're downstream DSL providers in a sense. Interesting. I stand corrected ^_^
holy chow! 79 DSL ISPs? We sorta have that here, but you look deeper and find out that all the small DSL providers are just resellers for Telus. These providers you're talking about aren't Bell resellers?
Mind you, in Canada the prices for broadband are pretty bloody cheap, so maybe that's why it costs less than unlimited dial-up and a second line. For those of you who live in that country below us and aren't familiar with the prices, Telus customers enjoy ADSL for as little as $28 USD/month (actually, less than $19 USD/month for the first year). When I moved down to Florida (I'm a snowbird), I was shocked at the Comcast prices -- so I shopped around, and BellSouth, Speakeasy, and all the others had the same price!
I wonder what sort of market factors are going on behind this huge price difference. I always thought steep competition lowers prices, but in Canada we have only one cable Internet provider and maybe two DSL providers. And low prices.
dude, I love Frozen Bubble! I'd play that over Unreal anyday.
I knew the old BSD license (and the new XFree license) are incompatible with the GPL, but I didn't understand why the GPL had to be so vehemently against advertising clauses. Maybe this is why. I guess I can sorta imagine a five-megabyte README would be annoying ^_^
that is weird. I think they're probably waiting for the ATI thing to be cleared up, as well as making doubly sure there are no unresolved bugs, before they unmask it.
ah wait wait. There is a comparable alternative: dental root canal work. I found it to exhibit many of the same characteristics as an attempt to install the nVidia binary driver: intense pain, tinkering away at minutiae, being careful not to disturb other things while performing the operation... and plenty of blood, sweat, and tears.
maybe this is only a small point of contention, but Gentoo technically hasn't taken the plunge yet either. X.org (6.7.0) is in the package tree, and many Gentoo users are already using X.org, but it is marked unstable for all architectures. Gentoo is obviously making strong efforts to make the change, but they haven't totally changed over -- not just yet.
yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. I apologise if I end up opening up the same old flamewar, but what's so bad about an advertising clause? ... or is there more to XFree's licensing change than meets the eye?
you know, the funny thing is I was thinking of using a Fujitsu Stylist as a stereo... just found out about the machine's existence yesterday, started looking for decent prices on eBay, and... turns out somebody already had the idea! this feels Twilight Zone-y.
'course, my idea wasn't half as cool as this... tape decks rock...
in my opinion, the value of Dreamweaver is not necessarily in its WYSIWYG whatever crap, but in its project management and its streamlining of the design process. You can write the same code in a number of different programs, but when you're dealing with anything over than twenty dynamic webpages (with their associated template and include files) it sure is handy to have something like Dreamweaver or GoLive to help you make sense of your mishmash of files... if you're a bit scatterbrained like me, that is.
I don't get any jerks, but I still get the out-of-sync problem I used to. (The true test of a new installation libflashplayer.so is, of course, to direct your web browser to Homestar Runner ^_^) And here's a bizarre twist: my old libflashplayer.so (version 6) one day just stopped having the latency problems altogether... and now they're back. Call me crazy, and maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened!
well maybe the W3C has spiffed up its specs recently, but when I went there to read about the XHTML spec, I found it incredibly obtuse... I eventually left.
do you mean they were exclusively Windows users, or simply that they used Windows? Because I don't think it's possible to work in the world of computers and technology without being exposed to Windows on a regular basis. I still have my (fully legitimate) copy of Windows XP on my hard drive for Flash authoring and a bit of vector art. So I guess that would classify me as a 'Windows user', although I find Linux much more sensible and powerful.