---Point taken. But that begs the question (if YouTube IS operating illegally, for example) of whether having and enforcing such regulations would so stifle creativity that it would deny EVERYONE the advances in question.
For quite a long time, there was a void in people with disabilities using the internet. Even today, screen scrapers for braille readers really dont work well, due to nefarious HTML/CSS/javascript tricks. Considering that the meat-space USA is governed by ADA, why not US based websites? The ruling from last year only reaffirmed that net-space is NOT different than meat-space with respect to federal law.
---In other words, if you let YouTube become YouTube and then require it to add things like closed captioning, eventually everybody benefits from it. If you make it harder to be YouTube in the first place, maybe no one will ever see what it can be. I'm just thinking out loud here, and it's admittedly not really the point we're talking about. But it struck me as an interesting side point, I guess.
Can YouTube legally modify them? I would ask around to see if the DMCA exception for media aggregation (I forget the exact exception, but that DMCA exception is what allows YouTube) allows a content poster to MODIFY a copyrighted work...
I'm thinking the kind of problems one can get into is similar if a common carrier starts filtering "bad stuff". Doing that makes them liable for bad stuff that gets through.
---You're right, though, the question should be whether such laws are already on the books. I wonder, though, whether the original poster would very likely know about it if it was already law, given the fact that (if he lives in the U.S.) he lives with aspects of the Americans With Disabilities Act every day.
From what I understand, meat-space places meant for the public must follow a convoluted set of ADA guidelines. The ruling also applied that to US based websites, but I believed that also had a time frame for ADA compliance.
After reading the code and the opinions, it seems ADA would only apply if YouTube sold something, but I'm sure it could be argued.
BTW, I'm not handicapped, but I have a few friends who are, and I have designed a few ADA accessible websites.
---Yes... but, when/if this happens, would we even be human (our current states) anymore.
Who are you to decide whats human and what's not? Is an amputee human? Well, it's missing a leg. Ok, would you call someone inhuman if they needed kidney dialysis? Or how about if someone decided to hook up via their wrist nerves to control computers? How "inhuman" is that?
Or better yet, what if we came about technology to change neural sexuality to ones preference? Is that inhuman?
There's 2 H's that if one commands, one can have immense power. Health is one of them. He who controls the very definition of health can define how to become "healthy". The same with humanity.
Like I said: who made you the decider of what humanity is?
---We may still have human tendencies, we may still have "human" bodies. But, humans now almost depend on the concept of death. If we digitize our minds, and could,in essence, live forever would we be human? I don't believe so.
Try reading upon the singularity. You might grasp what that entails..
---We wouldn't even have our "Human" beliefs of higher gods, or controlling factors.
I dont know about you, but I dont need some black box called "God" or "Yahweh" or "Allah or even "Buddha" to do the right thing and keep a good life. I dont have to externalize my happiness in some figment of imagination that millions of people accept. My happiness is what I make of it. My life has NO meaning except what I make of it, and nothing more. We really are ALL the same, but most just dont grasp that basic concept because it requires one to deny anything but yourself.
---We would have taken our lives, and our destinies into our own hands, we would have defied death and (quite possibly) lost our sexual drive.
Excuse me? Sexual drive is requirement of being human? Sexual drive is a bunch of opiate centers in the brain going off together in presence of orgasm. There is nothing special in being on a doped up high during sex, except for the fact that it feels really good. Then again, just go ask any druggie if their high feels good..
Now... Making death die would be a worthy accomplishment for us all.
---And if that happens, and we live forever, [artificially] produce babies, and can span the universe - essentially lost all of our natural human ways - Then we would have truly lost the human race, and done it ourselves.
That would be one very fun barrier to tear down: elimination of gender. This is a tough question that goes to the roots of bisexuality and homosexuality: Can one intimately love another without sex? We, as a society, have reduced/eliminated sex purely as procreation and instead we derive great pleasure from the recreational effects.
Right now, I would go software (with appropriate hardware) and invite any who chooses to a non-invasive non-harming neural scan for pattern transfer. Once inside a virtual world of my making, I could interact with the real world, while taking up very few resources and space.
---But that's just how I see it.
If what I guess what the future will be, your method guarantees to be worm food. I want the option to live as long as I want. May that be 100 years to 100,000,000 years.
However, it would be a sheer hell if one could not control the hardware directly running you. In Greg Egan's universe, it is physically impossible of even forcing someone who is ill (in the mental software view of the word) for treatment.
And the only way someone can die is if they commit suicide or their physical hardware platform is destroyed. Suicide is accomplished by "Halt and Erase". It was a right, in that nobody but the sentient software could do it to themselves.
However, with sentient software, what derives a individual in this case: Person(sentient software in semi-organic body) on planet copies via maser to outpost 600 LY away. After 1200 years when maser_self arrives, who is who?
If anything, laws with respect to clones will be very very nasty, and probably go similar to fictional laws of robots in Asimov's books.
Wouldnt this be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act already? You didnt give any hints of country of origin, but pretty much every first world country has some sort of rule.
And please spare us your political views. That has nothing to do with enforcing a passed law.
Well, of course we will. But we wont have our bodies.
The first big tech is a brain/silicon bridge. Hawking is very correct on this. If we do create reconstructing nanobots and high-AI, we need good interfaces. In fact, we would at first need a device described in the Story of Manna, in which a glucose fuel cell, a computer hooked up to nerves, and a wireless link are installed on C2-C4 of the vertebrae.
Once we can maintain body computers, we can focus on yet even more miniaturization and also focus on near-Earth travel (Moon and Mars). However, it will come time that our bodies will die, yet our brains will live. That will usher in the time we have "Brains in a Jar".
And yet, our tech will not be yet complete for star travel. We will need to be able to completely pattern a brain for all information and encode it so a certain computer can run it... a human brain image. Only when we can completely digitize our brains can we even cope with any stresses of space travel.
However, when we are pure data, we can travel rather rapidly: we can spread nanobot spores that create factories (mini factories) on different planets and asteroids and can copy to the nanites what is received by maser or any other transmission method. When we can convert our brains to pure information, then we can transmit and travel at C.
Then again, who knows what the real physics laws are... It'd be fun to see how far physics comes in 20000 years.
Did you experiment in using Xen to use Windows AND some version of Linux (Ubuntu is the craze these days)?
With both running, you could have students choose without rebooting and such annoying things, however memdisks are a bit problematic.
The only other downside is that it raises complexity by a nice factor of 4: configure Xen and system properly, then install/configure guest OSes properly.
Thats because TacoKill or whatever his name is lying.
Prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Trinity test was the first and only nuclear detonation. We would have destroyed more cities if we had more material.
We gave them a warning: "...We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."
They ignored it. We bombed them and they surrendered.
+++Radio waves are harmful. We know this. There is no cut-off point at which they suddenly go from harmless to harmful.
---Um, yes there is. (might not be clear cut but it's there)
No, there isnt. There IS an non-ionizing cut-off point, but there is no "harmless" point.
Why is that? Bonds in DNA and related sensitive processes have weak bonds. Those weak bonds can be destroyed if succumbed to frequencies that they resonate to.
All you have to do is hit the resonant frequency of the molecule or heat it up sufficiently.
We know the temperatures in which thermal damage occurs, but we do not know the minimum field strengths of resonant frequencies.
---As far as I can tell, the only thing you don't get is VirtualDub and DVD shrink. Mplayer/mencoder do a pretty good job for me...
Thats where the problems start. M* is really nice.. I mean REALLY NICE in converting and ripping any format I can watch. I love that;) My problems start at the emulators. ePSXe and its plugins are rather old, and they dont release source. N64 emulators dont work terribly well either for roughly the same reasons. Zsnes and Snes9x work rather well. Also, I have a bunch of good Windows games (NWN anybody) that one cannot create content for in Linux. So, its pointless if all you do is screw around in a module...;(
---Oh, and winamp. But there are plenty of fine mp3 players available.
Well, Winamp isnt that good. It is just for MP3s. Modplug Player/tracker is terrific for playing and creating mods and mod-like formats. Next, Winamp has the capability of playback of rom-based music. I know only of very spotty coverage in Linux that can play back that format of music.
I have grown accustomed to old binary non-x86 formats that are only well translated into X86-MSWindows format. It sucks but thems the breaks.
---I probably should have read the replies to your message first since this has probably been stated ad infinitum. And you probably have a fine rebuttal, but still, I don't see the point (but I'm not you I guess).
It's not the normal reply, let me tell you;) Im big on old games that most people have thrown away in place of Half Life 2 and such. To put it succinctly, if I was to migrate to Linux on my final Windows machine (laptop), I would give up about 50% of my games and about 25% of my songs. I, frankly, wont do that. Wine wont cut it on the emulators or the plugins because of special calls and weird timing programming.
---Almost. A corporate charter is a way of registering a group of people so that they can be legally treated as a group.
That is wrong. Look up Corporate Personhood. Better yet, just click on the link and read some of the links.
---Now you're getting silly. The government is just recognizing them, not assimilating them. You might as well sue me for sexual discrimination, because I'm a US taxpayer, and therefor part of the government, and I only date women.
Did you know, at one time, we didn't recognize them unless we had an important public project. Then, and only then, did we allow corporate charters. And those charters were for a limited time. Along with limited times, they also were subject to nullification if they broke the public trust in any way, and individuals in the corporation were subject to criminal prosecution if they lead the corporation to illegal acts.
Now, hiding behind the corporate wall is perfectly acceptable, and only is breached if many people loose millions at once. I guess we deserve what we put up with.
Slashdot Mirror
---Point taken. But that begs the question (if YouTube IS operating illegally, for example) of whether having and enforcing such regulations would so stifle creativity that it would deny EVERYONE the advances in question.
For quite a long time, there was a void in people with disabilities using the internet. Even today, screen scrapers for braille readers really dont work well, due to nefarious HTML/CSS/javascript tricks. Considering that the meat-space USA is governed by ADA, why not US based websites? The ruling from last year only reaffirmed that net-space is NOT different than meat-space with respect to federal law.
---In other words, if you let YouTube become YouTube and then require it to add things like closed captioning, eventually everybody benefits from it. If you make it harder to be YouTube in the first place, maybe no one will ever see what it can be. I'm just thinking out loud here, and it's admittedly not really the point we're talking about. But it struck me as an interesting side point, I guess.
Can YouTube legally modify them? I would ask around to see if the DMCA exception for media aggregation (I forget the exact exception, but that DMCA exception is what allows YouTube) allows a content poster to MODIFY a copyrighted work...
I'm thinking the kind of problems one can get into is similar if a common carrier starts filtering "bad stuff". Doing that makes them liable for bad stuff that gets through.
---You're right, though, the question should be whether such laws are already on the books. I wonder, though, whether the original poster would very likely know about it if it was already law, given the fact that (if he lives in the U.S.) he lives with aspects of the Americans With Disabilities Act every day.
From what I understand, meat-space places meant for the public must follow a convoluted set of ADA guidelines. The ruling also applied that to US based websites, but I believed that also had a time frame for ADA compliance.
After reading the code and the opinions, it seems ADA would only apply if YouTube sold something, but I'm sure it could be argued.
BTW, I'm not handicapped, but I have a few friends who are, and I have designed a few ADA accessible websites.
Heh, point taken ;)
And BTW... Whoever modded this troll go read my history WRT Solar system and digitizing humans for space travel.
He is not a troll.
---Yes... but, when/if this happens, would we even be human (our current states) anymore.
,in essence, live forever would we be human? I don't believe so.
Who are you to decide whats human and what's not? Is an amputee human? Well, it's missing a leg. Ok, would you call someone inhuman if they needed kidney dialysis? Or how about if someone decided to hook up via their wrist nerves to control computers? How "inhuman" is that?
Or better yet, what if we came about technology to change neural sexuality to ones preference? Is that inhuman?
There's 2 H's that if one commands, one can have immense power. Health is one of them. He who controls the very definition of health can define how to become "healthy". The same with humanity.
Like I said: who made you the decider of what humanity is?
---We may still have human tendencies, we may still have "human" bodies. But, humans now almost depend on the concept of death. If we digitize our minds, and could
Try reading upon the singularity. You might grasp what that entails..
---We wouldn't even have our "Human" beliefs of higher gods, or controlling factors.
I dont know about you, but I dont need some black box called "God" or "Yahweh" or "Allah or even "Buddha" to do the right thing and keep a good life. I dont have to externalize my happiness in some figment of imagination that millions of people accept. My happiness is what I make of it. My life has NO meaning except what I make of it, and nothing more. We really are ALL the same, but most just dont grasp that basic concept because it requires one to deny anything but yourself.
---We would have taken our lives, and our destinies into our own hands, we would have defied death and (quite possibly) lost our sexual drive.
Excuse me? Sexual drive is requirement of being human? Sexual drive is a bunch of opiate centers in the brain going off together in presence of orgasm. There is nothing special in being on a doped up high during sex, except for the fact that it feels really good. Then again, just go ask any druggie if their high feels good..
Now... Making death die would be a worthy accomplishment for us all.
---And if that happens, and we live forever, [artificially] produce babies, and can span the universe - essentially lost all of our natural human ways - Then we would have truly lost the human race, and done it ourselves.
That would be one very fun barrier to tear down: elimination of gender. This is a tough question that goes to the roots of bisexuality and homosexuality: Can one intimately love another without sex? We, as a society, have reduced/eliminated sex purely as procreation and instead we derive great pleasure from the recreational effects.
Right now, I would go software (with appropriate hardware) and invite any who chooses to a non-invasive non-harming neural scan for pattern transfer. Once inside a virtual world of my making, I could interact with the real world, while taking up very few resources and space.
---But that's just how I see it.
If what I guess what the future will be, your method guarantees to be worm food. I want the option to live as long as I want. May that be 100 years to 100,000,000 years.
However, it would be a sheer hell if one could not control the hardware directly running you. In Greg Egan's universe, it is physically impossible of even forcing someone who is ill (in the mental software view of the word) for treatment.
And the only way someone can die is if they commit suicide or their physical hardware platform is destroyed. Suicide is accomplished by "Halt and Erase". It was a right, in that nobody but the sentient software could do it to themselves.
However, with sentient software, what derives a individual in this case: Person(sentient software in semi-organic body) on planet copies via maser to outpost 600 LY away. After 1200 years when maser_self arrives, who is who?
If anything, laws with respect to clones will be very very nasty, and probably go similar to fictional laws of robots in Asimov's books.
Ok. That makes sense. I didnt think about the 2001: A Space Odyssey...
I already am.. Just the jars squishy and degrades progressively...
:D
Oh wait. thats my body I was describing
Wouldnt this be covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act already? You didnt give any hints of country of origin, but pretty much every first world country has some sort of rule.
And please spare us your political views. That has nothing to do with enforcing a passed law.
Traditional to who's time frame?
When we went to the Moon, it was using 60's tech.
If we went now, will we use 60's tech or 2000's tech? Of course we'll use current tech.
So when we go in the future, we will use that tech. Because of that nanites and brain/computer connections must not just be dismissed.
Speaking of "magic wands", I prefer the one made by Hitachi.
DEFINITELY NOT WORK SAFE.
Huh?
Are you talking about this shit?
Not all authors are bad.
Try some of Greg Egan. Of course, he does fiction, but he also visits arXiv.
Well, of course we will. But we wont have our bodies.
The first big tech is a brain/silicon bridge. Hawking is very correct on this. If we do create reconstructing nanobots and high-AI, we need good interfaces. In fact, we would at first need a device described in the Story of Manna, in which a glucose fuel cell, a computer hooked up to nerves, and a wireless link are installed on C2-C4 of the vertebrae.
Once we can maintain body computers, we can focus on yet even more miniaturization and also focus on near-Earth travel (Moon and Mars). However, it will come time that our bodies will die, yet our brains will live. That will usher in the time we have "Brains in a Jar".
And yet, our tech will not be yet complete for star travel. We will need to be able to completely pattern a brain for all information and encode it so a certain computer can run it... a human brain image. Only when we can completely digitize our brains can we even cope with any stresses of space travel.
However, when we are pure data, we can travel rather rapidly: we can spread nanobot spores that create factories (mini factories) on different planets and asteroids and can copy to the nanites what is received by maser or any other transmission method. When we can convert our brains to pure information, then we can transmit and travel at C.
Then again, who knows what the real physics laws are... It'd be fun to see how far physics comes in 20000 years.
Im kind of curious..
Did you experiment in using Xen to use Windows AND some version of Linux (Ubuntu is the craze these days)?
With both running, you could have students choose without rebooting and such annoying things, however memdisks are a bit problematic.
The only other downside is that it raises complexity by a nice factor of 4: configure Xen and system properly, then install/configure guest OSes properly.
What surprise? I know that an option in Adobe PDF encryption/obfuscation tool can deny "print jobs".
Hence thats why I said to turn off video accel and screen cap it.
Do they "allow" printing? If so, print to "pdf". haha
Or better, yet, just turn off hardware acceleration and screen cap it. Meh. anti-user garbage.
Im a Christian and I have a third viewpoint:
The writers of the Bible stole the "Flood" from a more ancient story: Gilgamesh.
I hate nano.
;-)
;)
I, instead, like Kilo.
10^12 nano's, to be precise
Of course I'm right. What do you think I am? A condescending unix user?
Available NOW at a cheap introductory price of $199.99!
Remember kids, free software is a matter of freedom, not price.
Did you puny brain think ever think if you cant convert from a format, that it serves the same as DRM?
Now tell me... How do you convert from the MS video codec?
Uhuh. didnt think so.
Jest because ewe can use a spell checker doesn't mean the grammar is correct.
Thats because TacoKill or whatever his name is lying.
Prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Trinity test was the first and only nuclear detonation. We would have destroyed more cities if we had more material.
We gave them a warning: "...We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."
They ignored it. We bombed them and they surrendered.
+++Radio waves are harmful. We know this. There is no cut-off point at which they suddenly go from harmless to harmful.
---Um, yes there is. (might not be clear cut but it's there)
No, there isnt. There IS an non-ionizing cut-off point, but there is no "harmless" point.
Why is that? Bonds in DNA and related sensitive processes have weak bonds. Those weak bonds can be destroyed if succumbed to frequencies that they resonate to.
All you have to do is hit the resonant frequency of the molecule or heat it up sufficiently.
We know the temperatures in which thermal damage occurs, but we do not know the minimum field strengths of resonant frequencies.
---Why not just install Ubuntu?
;) Just not on my laptop.
;) My problems start at the emulators. ePSXe and its plugins are rather old, and they dont release source. N64 emulators dont work terribly well either for roughly the same reasons. Zsnes and Snes9x work rather well. Also, I have a bunch of good Windows games (NWN anybody) that one cannot create content for in Linux. So, its pointless if all you do is screw around in a module... ;(
;) Im big on old games that most people have thrown away in place of Half Life 2 and such. To put it succinctly, if I was to migrate to Linux on my final Windows machine (laptop), I would give up about 50% of my games and about 25% of my songs. I, frankly, wont do that. Wine wont cut it on the emulators or the plugins because of special calls and weird timing programming.
Good point. I have
---As far as I can tell, the only thing you don't get is VirtualDub and DVD shrink. Mplayer/mencoder do a pretty good job for me...
Thats where the problems start. M* is really nice.. I mean REALLY NICE in converting and ripping any format I can watch. I love that
---Oh, and winamp. But there are plenty of fine mp3 players available.
Well, Winamp isnt that good. It is just for MP3s. Modplug Player/tracker is terrific for playing and creating mods and mod-like formats. Next, Winamp has the capability of playback of rom-based music. I know only of very spotty coverage in Linux that can play back that format of music.
I have grown accustomed to old binary non-x86 formats that are only well translated into X86-MSWindows format. It sucks but thems the breaks.
---I probably should have read the replies to your message first since this has probably been stated ad infinitum. And you probably have a fine rebuttal, but still, I don't see the point (but I'm not you I guess).
It's not the normal reply, let me tell you
---Almost. A corporate charter is a way of registering a group of people so that they can be legally treated as a group.
That is wrong. Look up Corporate Personhood. Better yet, just click on the link and read some of the links.
---Now you're getting silly. The government is just recognizing them, not assimilating them. You might as well sue me for sexual discrimination, because I'm a US taxpayer, and therefor part of the government, and I only date women.
Did you know, at one time, we didn't recognize them unless we had an important public project. Then, and only then, did we allow corporate charters. And those charters were for a limited time. Along with limited times, they also were subject to nullification if they broke the public trust in any way, and individuals in the corporation were subject to criminal prosecution if they lead the corporation to illegal acts.
Now, hiding behind the corporate wall is perfectly acceptable, and only is breached if many people loose millions at once. I guess we deserve what we put up with.