That IP could be behind a router at a School or Library with thousands of computers behind it.
There is no way to determine who is leasing that IP without forcing ip block owner to cough up records. That will probably take a court order, and they won't tell you, (fearing you will show up gun in hand).
If you get a court order they will tell the local authorities in the jurisdiction where the IP resides. That could be any one of 20 different police departments if it is in an urban area.
But if you can track it to a specific area, (traceroute is your friend), you might get a cop from an small not too busy department to go out and check the address.
I say MIGHT.
Busy departments will laugh you off and tell you to file an insurance claim.
Are we not somewhere around two standard deviations out from the mean time between events since the last major extinction at the end of the Cretaceous?/me - thrashes for my copy of the Mayan calendar...
That is a huge profit that they would lose if the gave them out for free.
When weighed against loss of sales, class action law suits, and loss of reputation, and potential for massive recall, giving away a bumper that costs not even 50 cents and foregoing the mythical $24.xx just makes good business sense.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to test the antenna problem. But it does take an impartial organization, that has nothing to gain or lose from the report.
Too often CR reviews of articles are superficial, and dismissive of dramatic improvements in technology products. They often seem to be rating complex technical items on the same scale as a can of beans or a drip coffee maker.
They have always been in Apple's corner on the vast majority of their reviews, approaching fanboy status.
Having said that, I give them kudos for going into the lab and testing this antenna problem. (Even Duct Tape was involves in the testing, without a rocket part in sight.)
Of course the Apple Army has already descended on your post, as they will on every negative post about anything Apple does. Even on Slashdot, the fanboys seem to have some back-channel where "bad posts" get publicized and the hoards invoke some secret stash of mod points to mod them down in short order.
In your case, Permanent Flamebate status is something of a badge of courage. Wear it proudly. Ye have spoken well.
This thread is about the Verizon Wireless HTC Eris, a phone sold only thru Verizon, Always locked, Always unnder contract, and it works only on their network.
Try to stay on topic.
The problem here is Verizon denying Warranty Claims against this phone.
The good news is that there are reports of a software fix coming in 4 day.
His opinion was that the load up features on these phones in the hope that people will not notice the horrible call quality and high call failure rate.
On the other hand.... Its still amazing that they work at all when you get right down to it. A largely self managed radio in your hand, serviced by towers handling hundreds of thousands of phones with th vast majority of calls completed successfully.
Remember back when you had to find a land line to call for help?
Now we're up in arms because a wireless device is not 100% reliable and it became very clear in an emergency situation.
Does the public really expect their cell phones to flawlessly or have I been using smartphones so long that I just accept wireless devices suck still?
We expect phones to work for their intended purpose.
Being able to make a call and then not hear anything isn't acceptable. Occasionally you can't call due to reception problems, everybody understands that. But being able to complete a call and not hear is clearly a warranty issue.
Depends on the 911 system used. Some small departments don't have the money to upgrade their equipment. Really rural counties out west are simply using telephones with recorders attached.
What they did wrong was not delete the data before they announced they intercepted it.
Exactly so.
They are incurring the wrath because the did the RIGHT THING, by admitting their mistake.
No one else will ever do that again. They will just purge it. Fess up if anybody asks, and say they destroyed it as soon as they realized their error. Case closed.
Indeed, the only reason your wireless adapter in your device doesn't receive the data is because it _voluntarily_ checks whether it is destined for it or not.
But it DOES receive the data. There is simply a gentleman's agreement to not read another's mail. So it discards it.
Who else might be doing what Google has been found to be guilty of doing? You see, it does not require a lot of sophisticated equipment to pull it off.
A political appointee to a nothing commission made a pronouncement. Posturing. Grandstanding.
She would never be so stupid as to bring formal charges in a court of law, because she would go down in smoking ruin.
Australia finds it perfectly ok for their government to filter their entire network, but let some passing car pick up a packet on an unsecured wifi and they have conniptions. Daft.
The physical equivalent would by you keeping all you stuff out on the lawn and then blaming passers by because they saw your stuff.
You put unencrypted radio transmitters in your house you lose all expectations of privacy. Nobody has to come in and look around when you are shouting it from the windows.
Stop trying to make Google evil over this thing.
It takes less than two minutes to secure your network, and in the absence of you doing that, YES, I am allowed to listen to your traffic.
Also, please do ignore the fact they didn't just connect to unsecured networks: they capture all data from these networks they could and saved it. Didnt they tell everyone they were just taking photos?
They did not connect to the networks.
They did not capture all the data from these networks that they could.
They drove by, captured a few microseconds of beacon data and random unencrypted packets. All they really wanted was the beacon data, to locate the wifi hotspot, but someone got sloppy in the packet filtration.
There was no Connection to these networks. There was no expectation of privacy. Don't try to make more of it than it was.
Current TPS regulations punish the marketeer and do nothing about the company that ordered it and for the carrier supporting it.
Marketeers usually work on some sort of commission basis. Nobody (except politicians) pays by the number of calls dialed these days.
If 4 million numbers divert to the same honeypot, the marketeers will soon find they can't make any money in that telco's numbers, and they move on.
If its just an auto-dialer playing a taped message, the honeypot might be ineffective, although it still spares the subscriber from getting these calls.
But for those systems that put a sales person on the line as soon as there is an answer, its bound to punish them a little bit till they move to other targets.
As the recipient of too many of these calls, I really don't care who gets punished as long someone does. Punishment need not be all that precisely targeted, as long as someone in the delivery chain feels some pain I'm quite content to let that person redirect the punishment to the proper party.
Costs will go up, and this advertising method will, like the door to door salesman, become too expensive to deploy.
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It won't. You need a court order or at least a letter from the police department in that jurisdiction.
As I read it, it was stolen FROM a university, and is now located one state away.
So neither the local Muni's or the local Uni's are the right jurisdiction.
Where the machine is NOW is what matters. Those are the only cops who can go knocking on doors in that jurisdiction.
That IP could be behind a router at a School or Library with thousands of computers behind it.
There is no way to determine who is leasing that IP without forcing ip block owner to cough up records. That will probably take a court order, and they won't tell you, (fearing you will show up gun in hand).
If you get a court order they will tell the local authorities in the jurisdiction where the IP resides. That could be any one of 20 different police departments if it is in an urban area.
But if you can track it to a specific area, (traceroute is your friend), you might get a cop from an small not too busy department to go out and check the address.
I say MIGHT.
Busy departments will laugh you off and tell you to file an insurance claim.
Are we not somewhere around two standard deviations out from the mean time between events since the last major extinction at the end of the Cretaceous? /me - thrashes for my copy of the Mayan calendar...
That is a huge profit that they would lose if the gave them out for free.
When weighed against loss of sales, class action law suits, and loss of reputation, and potential for massive recall, giving away a bumper that costs not even 50 cents and foregoing the mythical $24.xx just makes good business sense.
There won't be any huge profit if sales tank.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to test the antenna problem. But it does take an impartial organization, that has nothing to gain or lose from the report.
Too often CR reviews of articles are superficial, and dismissive of dramatic improvements in technology products. They often seem to be rating complex technical items on the same scale as a can of beans or a drip coffee maker.
They have always been in Apple's corner on the vast majority of their reviews, approaching fanboy status.
Having said that, I give them kudos for going into the lab and testing this antenna problem. (Even Duct Tape was involves in the testing, without a rocket part in sight.)
Of course the Apple Army has already descended on your post, as they will on every negative post about anything Apple does. Even on Slashdot, the fanboys seem to have some back-channel where "bad posts" get publicized and the hoards invoke some secret stash of mod points to mod them down in short order.
In your case, Permanent Flamebate status is something of a badge of courage. Wear it proudly. Ye have spoken well.
This thread is about the Verizon Wireless HTC Eris, a phone sold only thru Verizon, Always locked, Always unnder contract, and it works only on their network.
Try to stay on topic.
The problem here is Verizon denying Warranty Claims against this phone.
The good news is that there are reports of a software fix coming in 4 day.
http://www.androidcentral.com/droid-eris-owners-update-coming-july-16
You buy the phone and the software and the network service from tjr same single company.
I'm not sure its necessary to be too precise in placing blame.
Exactly so.
I happen to know the CEO of a regional carrier.
His opinion was that the load up features on these phones in the hope that people will not notice the horrible call quality and high call failure rate.
On the other hand....
Its still amazing that they work at all when you get right down to it. A largely self managed radio in your hand, serviced by towers handling hundreds of thousands of phones with th vast majority of calls completed successfully.
Wagner was a 19th-century composer, not 18th.
But when I (male) search for Wagner I'm more interested in Jill than Josef or Richard.
Remember back when you had to find a land line to call for help?
Now we're up in arms because a wireless device is not 100% reliable and it became very clear in an emergency situation.
Does the public really expect their cell phones to flawlessly or have I been using smartphones so long that I just accept wireless devices suck still?
We expect phones to work for their intended purpose.
Being able to make a call and then not hear anything isn't acceptable. Occasionally you can't call due to reception problems, everybody understands that. But being able to complete a call and not hear is clearly a warranty issue.
Depends on the 911 system used. Some small departments don't have the money to upgrade their equipment. Really rural counties out west are simply using telephones with recorders attached.
Excellent analsys.
You pretend to slap my wrists an I'll pretend it hurts ..
Mod parent informative!
One question: how do i get on the screamers list ?
Google has publicly stated that they did not connect. Its in their blog post months ago. Its the same thing they told governments around the world.
Are you now claiming access to some other admission? If so lets see it. If not, just admit you made it up and we can be friends.
They drove by at about 25 MPH. You really can't connect to a router that fast when the average router has a range of about a hundred feet thru walls.
What they did wrong was not delete the data before they announced they intercepted it.
Exactly so.
They are incurring the wrath because the did the RIGHT THING, by admitting their mistake.
No one else will ever do that again. They will just purge it.
Fess up if anybody asks, and say they destroyed it as soon as they realized their error. Case closed.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Indeed, the only reason your wireless adapter in your device doesn't receive the data is because it _voluntarily_ checks whether it is destined for it or not.
But it DOES receive the data. There is simply a gentleman's agreement to not read another's mail. So it discards it.
Unless Little Joey fires up Airsnort.
Here's the question:
Who else might be doing what Google has been found to be guilty of doing? You see, it does not require a lot of sophisticated equipment to pull it off.
Who?
Why the Australian Government, that's who.
Google hasn't been "found guilty" of anything.
A political appointee to a nothing commission made a pronouncement. Posturing. Grandstanding.
She would never be so stupid as to bring formal charges in a court of law, because she would go down in smoking ruin.
Australia finds it perfectly ok for their government to filter their entire network, but let some passing car pick up a packet on an unsecured wifi and they have conniptions. Daft.
This is not at all clear.
The opinion of a political appointee to public commission, does not a criminal make.
She stated: "Australians should reasonably expect that private communications remain private".
Totally neglecting the fact that the communications were NOT private because they were using unsecured wifi.
If I go out into the street right now, guess how much traffic I could pick up? I see 7 access points here. In a suburb. From in my house!
So your neighbors are idiots.
I see closer to 20 access points with nothing but my smartphone.
How much traffic could I pick up with a good laptop? Probably Gigabytes per hour.
How much traffic could I decipher?
One house's traffic.
Because that neighbor, like your neighbors, is an idiot.
They didn't walk in and look around.
The physical equivalent would by you keeping all you stuff out on the lawn and then blaming passers by because they saw your stuff.
You put unencrypted radio transmitters in your house you lose all expectations of privacy. Nobody has to come in and look around when you are shouting it from the windows.
Stop trying to make Google evil over this thing.
It takes less than two minutes to secure your network, and in the absence of you doing that, YES, I am allowed to listen to your traffic.
Also, please do ignore the fact they didn't just connect to unsecured networks: they capture all data from these networks they could and saved it. Didnt they tell everyone they were just taking photos?
They did not connect to the networks.
They did not capture all the data from these networks that they could.
They drove by, captured a few microseconds of beacon data and random unencrypted packets. All they really wanted was the beacon data, to locate the wifi hotspot, but someone got sloppy in the packet filtration.
There was no Connection to these networks. There was no expectation of privacy. Don't try to make more of it than it was.
The problem is that the marketeer does not care.
Current TPS regulations punish the marketeer and do nothing about the company that ordered it and for the carrier supporting it.
Marketeers usually work on some sort of commission basis. Nobody (except politicians) pays by the number of calls dialed these days.
If 4 million numbers divert to the same honeypot, the marketeers will soon find they can't make any money in that telco's numbers, and they move on.
If its just an auto-dialer playing a taped message, the honeypot might be ineffective, although it still spares the subscriber from getting these calls.
But for those systems that put a sales person on the line as soon as there is an answer, its bound to punish them a little bit till they move to other targets.
As the recipient of too many of these calls, I really don't care who gets punished as long someone does. Punishment need not be all that precisely targeted, as long as someone in the delivery chain feels some pain I'm quite content to let that person redirect the punishment to the proper party.
Costs will go up, and this advertising method will, like the door to door salesman, become too expensive to deploy.
I can dream, can't I?