How do you know the engine works, if you aren't allowed to open the hood.
When I open my hood, there is nothing there to assure me its "working", other than a rotating fan, some noise, some heat and a big chunk of metal. How could I know its working? It could be all batteries and speakers and butane lighters inside that chunk of metal.
Does the car move, well, lets see....
Step 1 Open door, get in car. Step 2 insert key (You can see where this is going)....
Nobody I know disassembles a motor in their new truck to make sure the goddamed thing runs. Even for new an novel things like a Tesla, nobody I know insists the dealer take it appart and show them every winding and bolt.
Ultimately it comes down to "Do you really Care"? If your are a motor head, you probably do, but mostly as a point of interest. But on the other hand, if you view it just as transportation, and it came with some kind of warranty and performed acceptably on the test drive, then for transportation purposes who cares if its 40'000 well trained mice under the hood who eat gasoline and poop only tail pipe emissions, or electric motors or an internal combustion engine, or batteries and fans and speakers making throaty sounding roars.
Manufacturer said it would do THIS, and when I tried THIS it worked, or it didn't. And it worked for all the other people who bought it for many years, and none of them came around with stories about their mice escaping en mass and killing their cat.
I don't open my cell phones either. Not on purpose anyway.
But you know THAT it works. It got you from A to B in time T.
You'd be amazed, (or probably you wouldn't) to know just how many people haven't a clue about what's under the hood or how it works. Met this girl once who seriously thought that electricity originated at the breaker panel. She was 19 at the time.
It certainly gives you insight into THAT it works. Which seems to be all the "inventor" is willing to disclose.
Note: I have no opinion about how it works, or even if it works. All I'm pointing out is that these investigators seem to have reasonable credentials, and they are still hedging their statement, but standing behind their measurements.
Right, they were not allowed to do destructive testing and break the ceramic casing on the wires.
It was about as big around as a 50 cent piece, and maybe 2 feet long. So lets say the device (which the heated up till it was glowing) hid a batter that could generate the excess 1.5 megawatt-hours. Wouldn't such a battery ALL BY ITSELF be a significant invention?
You haven't shown any other possible source for the independent measurement of 1.5 megawatt-hours, of energy. The guys who measured it, have better credentials than you.
Sa this posted over on SoylentNews: Seems some are getting a little pissed at getting blamed, without any proper training http://blink.htcsense.com/Web/...
There were three of the devices, and they were set up by the researchers, not the device owner. You now are claiming, without doing a shred of research that these people are all frauds? What would their motive be to destroy their careers?
He refuses to allow input monitoring (i.e. the Ecat is always plugged into an external power source, and he refuses to allow an ampmeter to be run on it).
Did you read even a few pages of the PDF? Cuz I feel like you didn't.
PCE-830 power anlayser 3 phases, measures power and analyses harmonics, with memory, interface and sofware
The PCE-830 power and harmonics analyser is used for measuring one to three phases of electrical quantities for alternating current (AC). This power and harmonics analyser also measures such parameters as voltage, current, frequency, harmonics and power as well as indicting, according to standard EN50160, harmonic values, interharmonics and asymmetrics. Interferences, such as interruptions, leaks, overloads or transience (from 16s), are detected with their corresponding values. The backlit LCD, with high resolution, can show up to 35 parameters simultaneously. It can have up to 3 clips attached at the same time. In the data logger mode, it can save up to 17,470 readings (3 phases / 4 conductors) and in a simpler set-up (1 fase / 2 conductores) it can save up to 52,400 readings, split into 85 groups. All this makes the PCE-830 power analyser the ideal instrument for taking measurements over long periods of time. Measurement values obtained can be sent to a computer and be processed with the analysis siftware which comes included. The device comes with everything needed to measure and analyse from the moment the device arrives. Although the power analyser comes calibrated from the manufacturer, an optional laboratory calibration and certificate that meets ISO standards can be ordered seperately with the device or when a recalibration is required.
Explain that part about explaining inputs and outputs being "meaningless".
The size of the element alone precludes it having stored 1.5 megawatt-hours by chemical or other known means. Further, they did analysis on the metal isotopes (maybe you missed that part). Start reading the PDF on page 27.
Since the machine needs to be charged with fuel for each run and the fuel changes isotopic composition by the end of the run, your objections as to "perpetual machines" are moot and misplaced.
Nobody made any such claims.
Their measurements indicate more power is output than was input. These experts haven't figured it out. They are not exactly idiots. Google them.
It is still a majority Muslim country and if you had been following this epidemic at all you would know that Islam's funerary rituals are the main problem. http://www.thedailyvox.co.za/e...
No, I was talking about the CDC blaming the victim for breaking protocol, when it is clearly their own protocol that is at fault here.
Doctors without borders uses a much stricter protocol, with a buddy system for donning and doffing, and they have had a much better record in keeping their people safe in absolutely horrible conditions.
According to NBC, this is exactly what appears to have happened.
The NBC report is pure speculation. Nobody knows. It's just as likely aerosolized cough droplets, which is another thing the CDC insisted couldn't possibly happen.
Where are all those Slashdot posters who scream "Stop blaming the victim" now? Too scary to stand on principles?
When it comes to a choice if blaming the victim or admitting that their protocol is woefully inadequate, the CDC seems to take the low road.
With a large enough grid, you can always find an outlet for excess power and you can always borrow power. As a utility, you might not want to do that, but we empower utilities to serve us, not the other way around.
A agree we need a sponge to sop up the excess power, but I suspect storage makes more sense than more industry to start and stop on a whim. That approach just moves the problem around, from the utility to some other industry. We can put it in batteries, pump water up-hill to reservoirs that we can quickly release into turbines. What ever, as long as it doesn't push the problem to some other industry.
I'm sure as hell not going to allow even MORE TRACKING just to support this hair brained scheme, Track everyone who ever rode in that car just to maker sure they aren't driving it?
Phones and car kits already offer to reply that the owner is driving, or to read it aloud, and take a reply verbally. There is no excuse t go all NSA on every passenger.
Being able to prove that he was or was not lying would stop the riots.
Probably not, because when people riot they aren't looking for or likely to believe evidence. Cops would have to release the entire video to the media, and the lawyers wouldn't let that happen. The lawyers would still fuck this up.
he camera itself might be a tiny, tiny fraction of the salary of a cop, but it would still require a massive database and supporting infrastructure to run/maintain the entire implementation. Nor would it change the fact that people would still bring (founded and unfounded) lawsuits against the police.
Don't be ridiculous We already bear massive costs of litigation and document storage. This saves money two ways, Cops know they are being watched, and criminals can't make bogus claims. The cost for several years of operation would be offset by the absence of ONE riot or bogus lawsuit.
The whole thing can be automated. You come in from your shift, put your cam in bin, it gets copied to bulk storage. Key in your badge number, (maybe RFID) and machine dispenses an empty camera every morning.
(Hint: storage is dirt cheap the backup/storage/indexing etc deletion can be entirely automated. )
If all you did was patrol and never had a single arrest or confrontation it gets purged in 90 days. Every day, there better be video on the camera, or Internal Affairs is going to want to know why.
By the way: for every ridiculous example you cite there are 33,000 arrests every day that are not convoluted contrived cases. And even in the situation you describe the police video would not be enough to convict anyone. Saying you should not have evidence because you can contrive a situation where it might not be the whole store is tantamount to shutting down all scientific research world wide. You, sir, are an idiot.
Just because there is a large competitor, you do not quit. Apple didn't and came from behind several times. Now if it is not profitable, let it go, but don't just give up and give it all to App/Goog(le) without a fight. Besides, 1% of a lot of people is still a lot of people.
You've totally been taken in by Samsung. Tizen was never meant to ship. Tizen is a threat weapon that Samsung cranks up each time Google thinks of asserting some authority over Android. Its simply a boogie man waiting in the wings in case Samsung doesn't get its way. It doesn't have to be viable, or even cost effective. All they have to do is trot it out and demonstrate something, ANYTHING once in a while.
As long as Google plays along, Tizen will never launch.
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How do you know the engine works, if you aren't allowed to open the hood.
When I open my hood, there is nothing there to assure me its "working", other than a rotating fan, some noise, some heat and a big chunk of metal.
How could I know its working? It could be all batteries and speakers and butane lighters inside that chunk of metal.
Does the car move, well, lets see....
Step 1 Open door, get in car.
Step 2 insert key
(You can see where this is going)....
Nobody I know disassembles a motor in their new truck to make sure the goddamed thing runs.
Even for new an novel things like a Tesla, nobody I know insists the dealer take it appart and show them every winding and bolt.
Ultimately it comes down to "Do you really Care"? If your are a motor head, you probably do, but mostly as a point of interest.
But on the other hand, if you view it just as transportation, and it came with some kind of warranty and performed acceptably on the test drive, then for transportation purposes who cares if its 40'000 well trained mice under the hood who eat gasoline and poop only tail pipe emissions, or electric motors or an internal combustion engine, or batteries and fans and speakers making throaty sounding roars.
Manufacturer said it would do THIS, and when I tried THIS it worked, or it didn't. And it worked for all the other people who bought it for many years, and none of them came around with stories about their mice escaping en mass and killing their cat.
I don't open my cell phones either. Not on purpose anyway.
But you know THAT it works. It got you from A to B in time T.
You'd be amazed, (or probably you wouldn't) to know just how many people haven't a clue about what's under the hood or how it works.
Met this girl once who seriously thought that electricity originated at the breaker panel. She was 19 at the time.
It certainly gives you insight into THAT it works.
Which seems to be all the "inventor" is willing to disclose.
Note: I have no opinion about how it works, or even if it works. All I'm pointing out is that these investigators seem to have reasonable credentials, and they are still hedging their statement, but standing behind their measurements.
So does CsipSimple.
Every Sip app I've tried has this.
Rigged demo! Not allowed to measure!
So you didn't read the PDF either, did you.!?
Go do your homework, and post back when you have done so.
Right, they were not allowed to do destructive testing and break the ceramic casing on the wires.
It was about as big around as a 50 cent piece, and maybe 2 feet long.
So lets say the device (which the heated up till it was glowing) hid a batter that could generate the
excess 1.5 megawatt-hours. Wouldn't such a battery ALL BY ITSELF be a significant invention?
You haven't shown any other possible source for the independent measurement of 1.5 megawatt-hours, of energy.
The guys who measured it, have better credentials than you.
Do your own research son, your desire to remain willfully ignorant suggests there is simply no point in talking to you.
Sa this posted over on SoylentNews:
Seems some are getting a little pissed at getting blamed, without any proper training
http://blink.htcsense.com/Web/...
There were three of the devices, and they were set up by the researchers, not the device owner.
You now are claiming, without doing a shred of research that these people are all frauds?
What would their motive be to destroy their careers?
They had it in their hands and they had their instruments connected to it the entire time.
Did you read the PDF?
Of course not.
Their names are in the PDF. Their resume is in Google.
He refuses to allow input monitoring (i.e. the Ecat is always plugged into an external power source, and he refuses to allow an ampmeter to be run on it).
Did you read even a few pages of the PDF?
Cuz I feel like you didn't.
The PDF documents exactly the devices used to monitor input power
PCE-830 power anlayser
3 phases, measures power and analyses harmonics, with memory, interface and sofware
The PCE-830 power and harmonics analyser is used for measuring one to three phases of electrical quantities for alternating current (AC). This power and harmonics analyser also measures such parameters as voltage, current, frequency, harmonics and power as well as indicting, according to standard EN50160, harmonic values, interharmonics and asymmetrics. Interferences, such as interruptions, leaks, overloads or transience (from 16s), are detected with their corresponding values. The backlit LCD, with high resolution, can show up to 35 parameters simultaneously. It can have up to 3 clips attached at the same time. In the data logger mode, it can save up to 17,470 readings (3 phases / 4 conductors) and in a simpler set-up (1 fase / 2 conductores) it can save up to 52,400 readings, split into 85 groups. All this makes the PCE-830 power analyser the ideal instrument for taking measurements over long periods of time. Measurement values obtained can be sent to a computer and be processed with the analysis siftware which comes included. The device comes with everything needed to measure and analyse from the moment the device arrives. Although the power analyser comes calibrated from the manufacturer, an optional laboratory calibration and certificate that meets ISO standards can be ordered seperately with the device or when a recalibration is required.
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Explain that part about explaining inputs and outputs being "meaningless".
The size of the element alone precludes it having stored 1.5 megawatt-hours by chemical or other known means.
Further, they did analysis on the metal isotopes (maybe you missed that part). Start reading the PDF on page 27.
Since the machine needs to be charged with fuel for each run and the fuel changes isotopic composition by the end of the run, your objections as to "perpetual machines" are moot and misplaced.
Nobody made any such claims.
Their measurements indicate more power is output than was input.
These experts haven't figured it out. They are not exactly idiots. Google them.
Are you being willfully blind?
Muslim leaders have had to be badgered by WHO into revising their teachings in the face of Ebola.
http://www.esinislam.com/Other...
http://ahmadiyyatimes.blogspot...
It is still a majority Muslim country and if you had been following this epidemic at all you would know
that Islam's funerary rituals are the main problem.
http://www.thedailyvox.co.za/e...
No, I was talking about the CDC blaming the victim for breaking protocol, when it is clearly their own protocol that is at fault here.
Doctors without borders uses a much stricter protocol, with a buddy system for donning and doffing, and they have had
a much better record in keeping their people safe in absolutely horrible conditions.
Exactly.
Furthermore Ebola never did reach Nigerian cities. When it does, it will be the same disaster as the other countries.
Nigeria has a better military, to control their borders, but once the infection get past borders and into the cities its game over.
According to NBC, this is exactly what appears to have happened.
The NBC report is pure speculation. Nobody knows. It's just as likely aerosolized cough droplets, which is another thing the CDC insisted couldn't possibly happen.
Where are all those Slashdot posters who scream "Stop blaming the victim" now? Too scary to stand on principles?
When it comes to a choice if blaming the victim or admitting that their protocol is woefully inadequate, the CDC seems to take the low road.
With a large enough grid, you can always find an outlet for excess power and you can always borrow power. As a utility, you might not want to do that, but we empower utilities to serve us, not the other way around.
A agree we need a sponge to sop up the excess power, but I suspect storage makes more sense than more industry to start and stop on a whim. That approach just moves the problem around, from the utility to some other industry. We can put it in batteries, pump water up-hill to reservoirs that we can quickly release into turbines. What ever, as long as it doesn't push the problem to some other industry.
This expense of varying their production is offset by fuel savings, and is largely FUD spewed by the facilities.
They have been varying their production throughout the day for over a hundred years. It's what electric utilities do.
I'm sure as hell not going to allow even MORE TRACKING just to support this hair brained scheme, Track everyone who ever rode in that car just to maker sure they aren't driving it?
Phones and car kits already offer to reply that the owner is driving, or to read it aloud, and take a reply verbally. There is no excuse t go all NSA on every passenger.
"Cops would have to release the entire video to the media, and the lawyers wouldn't let that happen."
FOIA
Blocking release would get extremely messy and federal.
Crime scene Evidence on an open case.
Checkmate.
Being able to prove that he was or was not lying would stop the riots.
Probably not, because when people riot they aren't looking for or likely to believe evidence.
Cops would have to release the entire video to the media, and the lawyers wouldn't let that happen.
The lawyers would still fuck this up.
Don't be ridiculous
We already bear massive costs of litigation and document storage.
This saves money two ways, Cops know they are being watched, and criminals can't make bogus claims.
The cost for several years of operation would be offset by the absence of ONE riot or bogus lawsuit.
The whole thing can be automated.
You come in from your shift, put your cam in bin, it gets copied to bulk storage.
Key in your badge number, (maybe RFID) and machine dispenses an empty camera every morning.
(Hint: storage is dirt cheap the backup/storage/indexing etc deletion can be entirely automated. )
If all you did was patrol and never had a single arrest or confrontation it gets purged in 90 days.
Every day, there better be video on the camera, or Internal Affairs is going to want to know why.
By the way: for every ridiculous example you cite there are 33,000 arrests every day that are not convoluted contrived cases. And even in the situation you describe the police video would not be enough to convict anyone. Saying you should not have evidence because you can contrive a situation where it might not be the whole store is tantamount to shutting down all scientific research world wide. You, sir, are an idiot.
Just because there is a large competitor, you do not quit. Apple didn't and came from behind several times. Now if it is not profitable, let it go, but don't just give up and give it all to App/Goog(le) without a fight. Besides, 1% of a lot of people is still a lot of people.
You've totally been taken in by Samsung.
Tizen was never meant to ship. Tizen is a threat weapon that Samsung cranks up each time Google thinks of asserting some authority
over Android. Its simply a boogie man waiting in the wings in case Samsung doesn't get its way. It doesn't have to be viable, or even
cost effective. All they have to do is trot it out and demonstrate something, ANYTHING once in a while.
As long as Google plays along, Tizen will never launch.