Logs tell a lot more than some volunteer fireman. Especially a fireman who can't determine which melted first, the connector or the wall outlet. (Not surprising since the field of fire investigation is full of voodo and disprove pseudo science.)
All that is know is where the fire started at the outlet. We know it wasn't a short circuit. Breakers would have tripped. We know it wasn't an arc, AFCI (required in garages) would have tripped.
Most likely cause is shade tree electrician swapping in a bigger breaker to compensate for the fact that the original one kept tripping, without considering the heating effect that might have on the wire gauge used. That heating could occur anywhere along the circuit, but it most likely will occur where the wiring is attached to the outlet receptacle. If simple spade connectors (push in) were used, (instead of screws), since they have a very small contact point on the wire, that's where the heating will occur. A loose screw would act similarly. T
Any load could have caused that. But I'm betting a faulty or oversized breaker was to blame. Probably switched out the breaker for a larger one, because the original smaller one kept tripping.
I'm guessing it was an older structure, because a newer one would have GFIC and/or AFIC on that circuit.
Its killed a lot of children already. But that isn't why they would hide it, they would hide it because its not sensational and leaves no avenue to envy attacks on people who own tesla cars.
They aren't going to kill cell phones for such an event. First they would have to know the phone number of each participant, and if they had that information they would learn more by simply tapping the phone.
The crackers will figure out how to trigger the remote kill switch without your authorization, bricking thousands if not millions of phones.
Or the goobernmint will...
The government wants to track you, and record your calls, and your cell phone makes that easy. Why would they decide to kill that when it is worth so much more to them when its working?
The fire was started between the wall socket and the charger.
It says no such thing. You seem to practice selective reading.
This could suggest issues with the building's electrical supply, rather than with the vehicle.
The high resistance connection was most likely inside the wall socket, usually bad connections of the house wiring, or undersized wiring. This is very typical of aluminum wiring. Although the mainstream press won't report that even if it is discovered to be such.
This is where Musk's Hubris is going to be a problem.
There's no way that he can know for sure what happened in the fire, and he's going to risk having to eat crow -- lots and lots of crow -- if he's proven wrong.
Ah, the car wasn't damaged: From the Link:
The incident caused up to $25,000 of damage, though the Model S itself sustained only light smoke damage. Nobody in the house was injured.
So if the car started the fire it must have been playing with matches and went running to its owner when its pile of legos actually caught fire.
Why use someone else's cloud when you can plug your own? That, and the money stays in-house instead of going to a competitor.
And why build your own cloud when you can have your users fund it for you. If Microsoft wasn't funneling off resources from Azure for their own pet projects, who much less would it cost the average user?
Does this sound corrupt or what? They created the problem and now they have a solution, but at a cost. Sounds like double dipping into the customer's wallet.
So people or companies shouldn't try to fix problems they created?
Not sure I've heard anyone complaining, other than about the price of Azure services.
It now appears Azure users are picking up the tab for building Microsoft's private bot army which it uses to take down other bot armies. Some of this is good, but you have to assume most of it is self serving. In addition to taking down hackers, we can only guess what else they might be collecting and who else they might be serving.
I won't pay for Azure when I know significant parts of the infrastructure are intended only for Microsoft's private vendettas.
No, it's not truly free unless it comes with exactly zero mysterious binary blobs calling home (or NSA, which may be the same thing).
Really? Binary blobs are that scary to you? Sad little man. When was the last time a proprietary video card driver or wifi chipset called home and caused you any problem?
The simple fact is that Saab has a very competitive fighter that has won contracts in a number of countries, both in and out of Europe in the last few years, long before the NSA controversy.
First: This aircraft has been a "Contender" for many sales, but has actually WON very few of them, and mostly to countries on less than stellar terms with the US who would not have access to US aircraft or fear loss of spare parts and support at the whim of the US.
Second: The NSA controversy is much older than your attention span. The so is the Saab aircraft. Its a 1988 design, that, while not incapable, is no match for a run of the mill (equally ageing) F16.
Still it is bound to be competitive with anything any aggressor is likely to launch against Brazil. Because like Canada, nobody has any major beef with Brazil. The NSA spying was in fact the thing that broke this deal. How could Brazil trust an aircraft from a country that listens in to the Prime Minister's phone calls? American jets might just refuse to start their engines on the very day Brazil needed them.
Get use to this result. Its going to be repeated. And it has EVERYTHING to do with the NSA's destruction of what little trust the world still had for the US.
Well, the UN is a bit more than a debating society. It is a place for nations around the world to sit down and talk. That capacity alone is quite important.
My gawd, haven't the events since 1945 taken the bloom off of that rose yet? How many generations of failure does it take for the naive to wake from their slumber among the unicorns and fairy and realize that the UN is useless?
Sit down and talk? Really? How old are you, 12?
Nations don't "sit down and talk". Leaders of nations pick up the phone, or dial up the video conference when ever they need it. Far from a sit down it had become mostly a place to grand stand. No new understanding is achieved between countries in the UN, its simply more of the same posturing and podium pounding, and excuse making while tyrants murder their own citizens and nations keep on invading other nations. Every important matter between countries is handled in face to face meetings, some public, some secret. But nothing of importance is handled by the UN.
Sounds good in theory, just so long as the "remote provisioning" can be handled by the user of the device, and the user doesn't have to ask permission from anyone.
Don't be silly, it is precisely that capability which the carriers want to eliminate. There is nothing wrong with SIMs. You know when you change out your sim card that your ties with the prior carrier are interrupted. Who knows what information this scheme will provide to your prior carrier, or government monitors.
This seems more likely to provide protection for Government wire tapping than any benefit to the user.
Be careful what you ask for. There are entire countries that do not want to hear the rest of the story. Your ignorance keeps you assuming that what will be released will be nothing but the dirty laundry of the United States.... In the end, we'll realize that the amount of greed and corruption in place cannot be dismantled easily without causing some kind of massive collapse.
First I make no such assumptions, thank you very much for interrupting my thoughts, but I suggest you are fundamentally unqualified for the task.
Second, the sooner the world is free of the idea that Governments have the rights or duties to surveil every person 24/7 the better off we will be. A collapse of that ideology would be very welcome. It is that very ideology, and that very spying infrastructure which drove people to creates terrorist cells in the first place.
I don't mind one bit if Saudi Arabia is embarrassed when its citizens learn the truth, or Australia or Russia or Germany. I rather suspect that the citizens of some of these countries are a whole lot less naive than American citizens. And I see no reason why I should sit quietly while my government spys on every aspect of american life simply to provide comfort and safety to the spys in other countries.
Sorry, but "Everybody is doing it" isn't an excuse that an adult should put forth. I would have thought you would have learned that in the 7th grade.
The documents are heavily encrypted, and distributed in full, to many different sources. No one reporter has an exclusive on this. I believe even Wikileaks has a full copy. He built in an unspecified "dead mans switch" that will release the encryption keys to the wild.
As for other countries wanting him dead, I'd rather have the big governments trying to keep me alive than having all of them conspiring to kill me.
As long as there is secret court orders and government mandated retention requirements, having it in private hands is no better than having it in government hands.
Have you not been paying attention to how many police request for frivolous access demands to Google, Facebook, etc., by federal authorities, as well as every tin-star sheriff? Are you totally ignorant of the fact that warrants aren't needed, and this information can be demanded on nothing more than a "NSA Letter" and your service provider also is served with a GAG order?
Holding it privately is exactly ZERO impediment to the government.
He hasn't released all of it. That's the only thing keeping him alive. He's still alive to hold this dishonest administration's feet to the fire.
As much as useful idiots like you think it is more important to stand up and be muzzled in court and shipped off to solitary confinement in some forgotten corner of the prison system, the rest of us would like to hear the rest of the story about what this corrupt government is doing in our name.
Shame on you for suggesting stupid surrender instead of living to fight another day. George Washington is turning in his grave at your stupidity.
But hey. If it floats your skirt up, go ahead and fantasize.
Inbreeding was also noted: The parents of a Neandertal woman from Siberia were as closely related as half-siblings.
Half sibs sounds like the "modern family" isn't as modern as the hipsters would have you believe. My god nothing has changed in over a hundred thousand years!
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Logs tell a lot more than some volunteer fireman. Especially a fireman who can't determine
which melted first, the connector or the wall outlet.
(Not surprising since the field of fire investigation is full of voodo and disprove pseudo science.)
All that is know is where the fire started at the outlet.
We know it wasn't a short circuit. Breakers would have tripped.
We know it wasn't an arc, AFCI (required in garages) would have tripped.
Most likely cause is shade tree electrician swapping in a bigger breaker to compensate
for the fact that the original one kept tripping, without considering the heating
effect that might have on the wire gauge used. That heating could occur anywhere
along the circuit, but it most likely will occur where the wiring is attached to the
outlet receptacle.
If simple spade connectors (push in) were used, (instead of screws), since they have a very small
contact point on the wire, that's where the heating will occur. A loose screw would act
similarly. T
Any load could have caused that. But I'm betting a faulty or oversized breaker was to blame.
Probably switched out the breaker for a larger one, because the original smaller one kept tripping.
I'm guessing it was an older structure, because a newer one would have GFIC and/or AFIC on that circuit.
Try looking up the word OR.
If your circuit breaker didn't blow first, then it is definitely a problem with the building wiring, and not the fault of the iron.
It will probably be found that the guy put in a bigger breaker because the small one kept tripping off, but the wiring
couldn't handle that much draw.
Its killed a lot of children already.
But that isn't why they would hide it, they would hide it because its not sensational and leaves no avenue to envy attacks on people who own tesla cars.
They aren't going to kill cell phones for such an event.
First they would have to know the phone number of each participant, and if they had that information they would learn more by simply tapping the phone.
If they wanted to shut it down, they would do what the Secret Service does.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-02-01/news/36806310_1_jam-signals-cellantenna-federal-agencies
The crackers will figure out how to trigger the remote kill switch without your authorization, bricking thousands if not millions of phones.
Or the goobernmint will...
The government wants to track you, and record your calls, and your cell phone makes that easy.
Why would they decide to kill that when it is worth so much more to them when its working?
The fire was started between the wall socket and the charger.
It says no such thing. You seem to practice selective reading.
This could suggest issues with the building's electrical supply, rather than with the vehicle.
The high resistance connection was most likely inside the wall socket, usually bad connections of the house wiring, or undersized wiring.
This is very typical of aluminum wiring. Although the mainstream press won't report that even if it is discovered to be such.
The tesla wasn't damaged.
Whoops, butchered that comment. Meant to say an oily rag will spontaneously ignite if left for a few hours. You can try it yourself.
Not likely if its just motor oil.
You have to watch the video you posted almost half way through before he reveals its Rosewood Oil, a natural oil used for furniture finishing.
Further, the pile has been manipulated during the video, the most obvious time is just before he says "About a half hour later".
Be that as it may, there was no oily rags involved in this garage fire. A faulty outlet, with cardboard boxes stacked nearby.
This is where Musk's Hubris is going to be a problem.
There's no way that he can know for sure what happened in the fire, and he's going to risk having to eat crow -- lots and lots of crow -- if he's proven wrong.
Ah, the car wasn't damaged: From the Link:
The incident caused up to $25,000 of damage, though the Model S itself sustained only light smoke damage. Nobody in the house was injured.
So if the car started the fire it must have been playing with matches and went running to its owner when its pile of legos actually caught fire.
Faulty house wiring is the source.
Why use someone else's cloud when you can plug your own? That, and the money stays in-house instead of going to a competitor.
And why build your own cloud when you can have your users fund it for you. If Microsoft wasn't funneling off resources from Azure for their own pet projects, who much less would it cost the average user?
Does this sound corrupt or what? They created the problem and now they have a solution, but at a cost. Sounds like double dipping into the customer's wallet.
So people or companies shouldn't try to fix problems they created?
Not sure I've heard anyone complaining, other than about the price of Azure services.
It now appears Azure users are picking up the tab for building Microsoft's private bot army which it uses to take down other bot armies. Some of this is good, but you have to assume most of it is self serving. In addition to taking down hackers, we can only guess what else they might be collecting and who else they might be serving.
I won't pay for Azure when I know significant parts of the infrastructure are intended only for Microsoft's private vendettas.
No, it's not truly free unless it comes with exactly zero mysterious binary blobs calling home (or NSA, which may be the same thing).
Really? Binary blobs are that scary to you?
Sad little man.
When was the last time a proprietary video card driver or wifi chipset called home and caused you any problem?
This is the freedom you were looking for.
Yes: Disband the UN. Period.
But as long as there are naive idiots like you around who will never let go of their one-world dream we are probably stuck with it.
Its only purpose in this world is to serve as a thumb for you to suck when the doesn't go your way.
The simple fact is that Saab has a very competitive fighter that has won contracts in a number of countries, both in and out of Europe in the last few years, long before the NSA controversy.
First: This aircraft has been a "Contender" for many sales, but has actually WON very few of them, and mostly to countries on less than stellar terms with the US who would not have access to US aircraft or fear loss of spare parts and support at the whim of the US.
Second: The NSA controversy is much older than your attention span.
The so is the Saab aircraft. Its a 1988 design, that, while not incapable, is no match for a run of the mill (equally ageing) F16.
Still it is bound to be competitive with anything any aggressor is likely to launch against Brazil. Because like Canada, nobody has any major beef with Brazil. The NSA spying was in fact the thing that broke this deal. How could Brazil trust an aircraft from a country that listens in to the Prime Minister's phone calls? American jets might just refuse to start their engines on the very day Brazil needed them.
Get use to this result. Its going to be repeated. And it has EVERYTHING to do with the NSA's destruction of what little trust the world still had for the US.
Well, the UN is a bit more than a debating society. It is a place for nations around the world to sit down and talk. That capacity alone is quite important.
My gawd, haven't the events since 1945 taken the bloom off of that rose yet?
How many generations of failure does it take for the naive to wake from their slumber among the unicorns and fairy and realize that the UN is useless?
Sit down and talk? Really? How old are you, 12?
Nations don't "sit down and talk". Leaders of nations pick up the phone, or dial up the video conference when ever they need it.
Far from a sit down it had become mostly a place to grand stand. No new understanding is achieved between countries in the UN, its simply more of the same posturing and podium pounding, and excuse making while tyrants murder their own citizens and nations keep on invading other nations.
Every important matter between countries is handled in face to face meetings, some public, some secret. But nothing of importance is handled by the UN.
Neat, an audit trail that follows you, forever.
A wiretap that follows you around as well.
Sounds good in theory, just so long as the "remote provisioning" can be handled by the user of the device, and the user doesn't have to ask permission from anyone.
Don't be silly, it is precisely that capability which the carriers want to eliminate.
There is nothing wrong with SIMs. You know when you change out your sim card that your ties with the prior carrier are interrupted. Who knows what information this scheme will provide to your prior carrier, or government monitors.
This seems more likely to provide protection for Government wire tapping than any benefit to the user.
Be careful what you ask for. There are entire countries that do not want to hear the rest of the story. Your ignorance keeps you assuming that what will be released will be nothing but the dirty laundry of the United States. ...
In the end, we'll realize that the amount of greed and corruption in place cannot be dismantled easily without causing some kind of massive collapse.
First I make no such assumptions, thank you very much for interrupting my thoughts, but I suggest you are fundamentally unqualified for the task.
Second, the sooner the world is free of the idea that Governments have the rights or duties to surveil every person 24/7 the better off we will be. A collapse of that ideology would be very welcome. It is that very ideology, and that very spying infrastructure which drove people to creates terrorist cells in the first place.
I don't mind one bit if Saudi Arabia is embarrassed when its citizens learn the truth, or Australia or Russia or Germany. I rather suspect that the citizens of some of these countries are a whole lot less naive than American citizens. And I see no reason why I should sit quietly while my government spys on every aspect of american life simply to provide comfort and safety to the spys in other countries.
Sorry, but "Everybody is doing it" isn't an excuse that an adult should put forth. I would have thought you would have learned that in the 7th grade.
The documents are heavily encrypted, and distributed in full, to many different sources. No one reporter has an exclusive on this.
I believe even Wikileaks has a full copy.
He built in an unspecified "dead mans switch" that will release the encryption keys to the wild.
As for other countries wanting him dead, I'd rather have the big governments trying to keep me alive than having
all of them conspiring to kill me.
The worst thing that would happen is that he suddenly approaches room temperature.
Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?
As long as there is secret court orders and government mandated retention requirements, having it in private hands is no better than having it in government hands.
Have you not been paying attention to how many police request for frivolous access demands to Google, Facebook, etc., by federal authorities, as well as every tin-star sheriff? Are you totally ignorant of the fact that warrants aren't needed, and this information can be demanded on nothing more than a "NSA Letter" and your service provider also is served with a GAG order?
Holding it privately is exactly ZERO impediment to the government.
He hasn't released all of it. That's the only thing keeping him alive.
He's still alive to hold this dishonest administration's feet to the fire.
As much as useful idiots like you think it is more important to stand up and be muzzled in court and shipped off to solitary confinement in some forgotten corner of the prison system, the rest of us would like to hear the rest of the story about what this corrupt government is doing in our name.
Shame on you for suggesting stupid surrender instead of living to fight another day. George Washington is turning in his grave at your stupidity.
But hey. If it floats your skirt up, go ahead and fantasize.
Inbreeding was also noted: The parents of a Neandertal woman from Siberia were as closely related as half-siblings.
Half sibs sounds like the "modern family" isn't as modern as the hipsters would have you believe.
My god nothing has changed in over a hundred thousand years!