look at 'cyclical' climate change", you are telling them to lock in to a conclusion,
Wrong.
All you are telling them to do is to quantify the noise: Separate natural changes from their claims of AGW. Some of this has been studied, most of it has simply been denied.
Amazon doesn't make anything, they just force the publishers to sell wholesale for less than they do to other vendors.
"Force" is a pretty strong word. I've never heard of an Amazon purchasing agent carrying a shot gun into a publishers office. Amazon negotiates for a lower price on a large quantity of books. The publisher snaps at the chance to sell half a million copies at once. Amazon sells those books taking less profit than the next retailer.
Substitute Plastic Dog Food dishes or 10 penny nails for books and the same bulk price negotiation happens. Its the same product, distributed more efficiently.
Amazon, and any bulk buyers reduce the inefficiency in the distribution system. That's all they do. That doesn't affect quality in any way.
What affects the quality of the food you eat is the food you choose. YOUR problem. Make better choices.
Why do we not need a study on cyclical climate change? Recognizing how much of global warming isn't due to humans is also important.
Mod parent insightful.
If you don't have any understanding of the noise, how can you detect the signal? Real signal can be masked by noise just as well as fake signal could be induced by noise. Fear of knowing what part of a trend is noise vs signal is simply intellectually dishonest.
Many claim that the recent leveling off of global warming is because we just happen to be in a period where solar output is lower. If true, as soon as that solar output ramps up we are in for double trouble.
If you refuse to study cyclical warming trends, specifically in this case solar output, you have no idea how much trouble or how soon.
In fact, if you refuse to quantify the noise, you have to totally toss out the solar output argument and accept that the leveling off is real signal, and the new norm.
Fear of knowledge, and acceptance of dogma defines a religion, not a science.
What are you yapping about? Even without CO2 regulations, US CO2 emissions are already down in spite of industrial production almost doubling over the last 20 years.
Nobody has made the case that electrical production on the scale needed to power the majority of vehicles will produce less.
Well I'm not counting on it, but I believe even the court has seen the huge uproar this issue has caused. They realize that if they allow this, all bets are off, no holds are barred, and the surveillance society had full reign. Once loosed, they realize they can never put that genie back in the bottle.
Unlike you, I know where this equipment comes from.
There are only a few (less than 9) providers of gas pumps in the US, and they all compete. Fast delivery is key to profitability of gas stations in busy areas.
The reason the EPA had to limit delivery rates was to prevent tank venting from blowing right by the recovery system. The EPA insisted they dial back the deliver rate.
10 GPM is not difficult to achieve.
How GPM A 1/2 inch pipe can deliver per minute depends on the pressure. If you have low pressure (flowing out of a slightly elevated tank), you can get about 7 gallons per minute. For average pumped pressure, you can assume you will get around 14 gallons per minute. If you have it set on a high pressure, you can easily get 21 gallons per minute. The nozzle of an unleaded delivery hoze is 0.840 inch, the inside diameter is slightly larger than 1/2 inch.
However the vapor recovery systems can't handle the vent fumes coming out of the tank when it is being filled that fast, so stations were required to dial down the pressure. This is one of the things a State weights and Measures inspector checks.
Isn't it more likely that putting a data center on a barge will save real estate costs and property taxes?
Only if you tow it out of some citie's jurisdiction. Which, requires having a massive fiber-optic cable, and shore support facilities. You can't just go out and anchor some huge barge just anywhere. There are shipping lanes to consider, risks to navigation, 200 mile economic exclusion zone issues.
On the other hand, if Brazil was getting seriously pissed at US Snooping, and insisted that Google either get out of the country or build an in-country data center, this platform could be floated there in two weeks, and would allow an in-country presence.
Because the same people who like to push "green" solutions also like to do so via government mandates. Government is the last refuge of scoundrels.
When you find yourself in a chicken and egg problem it is usually because you are acting too soon. Forcing charging stations so that marginally effective electric vehicles can be justified is a classic ploy. Getting the government to require it is the cheapest path for big auto, and the greens will pile on for free.
Tesla is willing to provide free charging, and a usable range. All built at their own expense. Ford and Chevrolet and Nissan, not so much.
Unlikely they would build it on a barge to operate it in San Francisco bay. It would be way cheaper to build it on land and build a pipe to the bay.
Besides, anyone thinking of pumping massive amounts of heat into the bay is going to find their head meeting a green brick wall in short order. And there would be permits already being filed for such activity.
This thing is going to be towed away somewhere where governments are more cooperative, or have less to say about what is going on.
Seems like a big investment to build on a barge that can get swamped by the first storm that comes along.
You then have the problem of power, and communications that have to be fed to the barge. If you run your own generators you have a refueling problem, with risk of spill at every refueling.
Once you get out of the bay, you have a police protection issue. Pretty hard to call the cops. Pretty risky to start shooting at lookie-lews.
You have transport to and from issues as well. And if you think anyone is going to allow you to avoid taxes this way, well good luck with that.
In the first world, this makes no sense, and even the sea water cooling could be accommodated by cheaply laid pipe to land. In the third world, this might make sense, because towed to Africa and guarded by some friendly government you could use it as a base to handle all your balloon wifi or what ever hair brained scheme you might be planning.
The US fuel flow rate at filling stations is 10 gallons per minute. Your twenty gallon tank is full in two minutes. Allow another minute for fumbling with your wallet, swiping in your card at the pump.
Nobody pays cash inside these days. And I don't need snacks every time I fill up the tank.
Long road trips along well traveled routes, maybe. But not when there are 30 cars ahead of you lined up to charge. The Tesla is the only car that can charge in 20 minutes. All the others seem to require hours.
Twice the capacity at half the cost sounds like a Moore's law of batteries, but we simply have not seen such progress in battery technology. Probably because we have two other considerations to weigh, namely recharge time and weight. If twice the capacity can be accommodated in the same weight, fine. But that seems unlikely.
There is also the consideration that we probably don't have the electrical grid capacity to accommodate recharging that many vehicles. (There are those that insist we do, but the raw math indicates otherwise).
That's fine if 0.05% of cars around are electric. But it's totally unrealistic to think anything justifies the expense of putting an electric charging unit into every single parking spot.
No, its not unrealistic.
If the shopping center can put in electric charging spots gradually as the demand increased, the investment might be easily manageable. Further, if they make a few cents on the electricity/b they sell you, these slots will pay for themselves, unlike current parking spots which usually generate no revenue themselves, and are funded by increased prices in the stores.
Places like Fairbanks Alaska have plugins for headbolt heaters so you can get your car started after sitting out in 50 below while you shop. Lots of these are free as well, but then the draw is way less than required to charge.
If they had slow charging stations in parking locations it doesn't matter, and at some locations a 20 minute gas stop is normal even for gasoline cars. Last time I took I-80 westbound we had to wait for 15 minutes to get to a pump, then 5 minutes to pump with another 10 minutes to wait for traffic to get out of my way so we can get back on the highway
I like how you just assume that won't be the same when electric cars are common.
Using your same metrics, 5 minutes to pump after 15 minutes waiting, means three cars were ahead of you. Also implied is that one car arrives every 5 minutes so that the 15 minute wait time persists.
With a fast charging Tesla, those three cars will take an HOUR to charge. Further, in that hour 12 cars will arrive.
With other cars like the Leaf, the charge time is 4 hours, so I'm not even going to do that math for you.
Well that is the issue being contested here, so you can't say for certain that a warrant is sufficient.
The government may get a warrant for the contents of one safe-deposit box, but they don't have the right to a warrant for the combination to the bank's vault.
The idea that one person must surrender all of his possessions so that law enforcement can capture another person is what is at issue here.
EXACTLY as predicted, you reject all evidence in your myopic opinion that there is no evil in the world. You seriously believe that the stock price is even vaguely related to the news of corporate misbehavior? After all these decades of Microsoft being dragged into every court on earth, and the stock price didn't flincg?
You won't accept anyone's evidence. So why do you persist?
Google advertises to ME. They don't grab my contacts and send email to them.
Further, if you use a non-web client to read your gmail, you never even see the ads that they target toward you.
I chose Gmail as my mail handler, knowing full well the rules of the game. People who use Linkedin had no understanding that they were appointing them as their mail handler.
When someone sends me a LinkedIn Invite, I always consider the possibility that they don't understand that the Linkedin app can mine all of their contacts by virtue of you handing over the passwords to your account. I send them an email and point to a couple on line sites that show them what is going on. Most of them are clueless that these invites are going out under their name.
This was the subject of another Slashdot Story back in September.
Its not really a vpn re-direct, they simply proxy all mail through their own servers. Admittedly, you get some clues and warnings, when they ask you for your passwords for you rmail, but I'n not convinced its that easy to tell the mail client on android to start suddenly using a proxy instead of what is configured into the phone.
We will probably have to wait and see if this trick shows up on Android.
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look at 'cyclical' climate change", you are telling them to lock in to a conclusion,
Wrong.
All you are telling them to do is to quantify the noise: Separate natural changes from their claims of AGW.
Some of this has been studied, most of it has simply been denied.
Amazon doesn't make anything, they just force the publishers to sell wholesale for less than they do to other vendors.
"Force" is a pretty strong word. I've never heard of an Amazon purchasing agent carrying a shot gun into a publishers office.
Amazon negotiates for a lower price on a large quantity of books. The publisher snaps at the chance to sell half a million copies at once.
Amazon sells those books taking less profit than the next retailer.
Substitute Plastic Dog Food dishes or 10 penny nails for books and the same bulk price negotiation happens.
Its the same product, distributed more efficiently.
Amazon, and any bulk buyers reduce the inefficiency in the distribution system. That's all they do.
That doesn't affect quality in any way.
What affects the quality of the food you eat is the food you choose. YOUR problem.
Make better choices.
Why do we not need a study on cyclical climate change? Recognizing how much of global warming isn't due to humans is also important.
Mod parent insightful.
If you don't have any understanding of the noise, how can you detect the signal?
Real signal can be masked by noise just as well as fake signal could be induced by noise.
Fear of knowing what part of a trend is noise vs signal is simply intellectually dishonest.
Many claim that the recent leveling off of global warming is because we just happen to be in a period where solar output is lower.
If true, as soon as that solar output ramps up we are in for double trouble.
If you refuse to study cyclical warming trends, specifically in this case solar output, you have no idea how much trouble
or how soon.
In fact, if you refuse to quantify the noise, you have to totally toss out the solar output argument and accept that the leveling off
is real signal, and the new norm.
Fear of knowledge, and acceptance of dogma defines a religion, not a science.
What are you yapping about? Even without CO2 regulations, US CO2 emissions are already down in spite of industrial production almost doubling over the last 20 years.
Nobody has made the case that electrical production on the scale needed to power the majority of vehicles will produce less.
Well I'm not counting on it, but I believe even the court has seen the huge uproar this issue has caused.
They realize that if they allow this, all bets are off, no holds are barred, and the surveillance society had full reign.
Once loosed, they realize they can never put that genie back in the bottle.
Unlike you, I know where this equipment comes from.
There are only a few (less than 9) providers of gas pumps in the US, and they all compete.
Fast delivery is key to profitability of gas stations in busy areas.
The reason the EPA had to limit delivery rates was to prevent tank venting from blowing right by the
recovery system. The EPA insisted they dial back the deliver rate.
10 GPM is not difficult to achieve.
How GPM A 1/2 inch pipe can deliver per minute depends on the pressure. If you have low pressure (flowing out of a slightly elevated tank), you can get about 7 gallons per minute. For average pumped pressure, you can assume you will get around 14 gallons per minute. If you have it set on a high pressure, you can easily get 21 gallons per minute. The nozzle of an unleaded delivery hoze is 0.840 inch, the inside diameter is slightly larger than 1/2 inch.
However the vapor recovery systems can't handle the vent fumes coming out of the tank when it is being filled that fast, so stations were required to dial down the pressure. This is one of the things a State weights and Measures inspector checks.
There have been a lot of firsts for Eric Holder's corrupt and diseased justice department.
This is the first Hail Mary Pass I've the DOJ throw. We can only hope the Judges remember their oath of office.
Isn't it more likely that putting a data center on a barge will save real estate costs and property taxes?
Only if you tow it out of some citie's jurisdiction. Which, requires having a massive fiber-optic cable, and shore support facilities. You can't just go out and anchor some huge barge just anywhere. There are shipping lanes to consider, risks to navigation, 200 mile economic exclusion zone issues.
On the other hand, if Brazil was getting seriously pissed at US Snooping, and insisted that Google either get out of the country or build an in-country data center, this platform could be floated there in two weeks, and would allow an in-country presence.
nice rant.
But again, I reiterate:
Tesla is willing to provide free charging, and a usable range. All built at their own expense.
The US fuel flow rate at filling stations is 10 gallons per minute.
That's the maximum allowed by law, not the standard. Read your own link. No pump I've seen goes anywhere near that fast.
And you know that how? Measured it have you?
They are all within 10% of that. I've timed it.
Because the same people who like to push "green" solutions also like to do so via government mandates.
Government is the last refuge of scoundrels.
When you find yourself in a chicken and egg problem it is usually because you are acting too soon. Forcing charging stations so that marginally effective electric vehicles can be justified is a classic ploy. Getting the government to require it is the cheapest path for big auto, and the greens will pile on for free.
Tesla is willing to provide free charging, and a usable range. All built at their own expense.
Ford and Chevrolet and Nissan, not so much.
Too soon.
Unlikely they would build it on a barge to operate it in San Francisco bay.
It would be way cheaper to build it on land and build a pipe to the bay.
Besides, anyone thinking of pumping massive amounts of heat into the bay is going to find their head meeting a green brick wall in short order.
And there would be permits already being filed for such activity.
This thing is going to be towed away somewhere where governments are more cooperative, or have less to say about what is going on.
Put down the pop-corn big guy.
There is a reason this is done only in the movies. Its because they are movies.
Seems like a big investment to build on a barge that can get swamped by the first storm that comes along.
You then have the problem of power, and communications that have to be fed to the barge. If you run your own
generators you have a refueling problem, with risk of spill at every refueling.
Once you get out of the bay, you have a police protection issue. Pretty hard to call the cops. Pretty risky
to start shooting at lookie-lews.
You have transport to and from issues as well. And if you think anyone is going to allow you to avoid taxes this way, well good luck with that.
In the first world, this makes no sense, and even the sea water cooling could be accommodated by cheaply laid pipe to land.
In the third world, this might make sense, because towed to Africa and guarded by some friendly government you
could use it as a base to handle all your balloon wifi or what ever hair brained scheme you might be planning.
15 minutes?
Try closer to 5.
The US fuel flow rate at filling stations is 10 gallons per minute.
Your twenty gallon tank is full in two minutes.
Allow another minute for fumbling with your wallet, swiping in your card at the pump.
Nobody pays cash inside these days. And I don't need snacks every time I fill up the tank.
Long road trips along well traveled routes, maybe. But not when there are 30 cars ahead of you lined up to charge.
The Tesla is the only car that can charge in 20 minutes. All the others seem to require hours.
Twice the capacity at half the cost sounds like a Moore's law of batteries, but we simply have not seen such progress in battery technology.
Probably because we have two other considerations to weigh, namely recharge time and weight. If twice the capacity can be accommodated in
the same weight, fine. But that seems unlikely.
There is also the consideration that we probably don't have the electrical grid capacity to accommodate recharging that many vehicles.
(There are those that insist we do, but the raw math indicates otherwise).
That's fine if 0.05% of cars around are electric. But it's totally unrealistic to think anything justifies the expense of putting an electric charging unit into every single parking spot.
No, its not unrealistic.
If the shopping center can put in electric charging spots gradually as the demand increased, the investment might be easily manageable.
Further, if they make a few cents on the electricity/b they sell you, these slots will pay for themselves, unlike current parking spots which
usually generate no revenue themselves, and are funded by increased prices in the stores.
Places like Fairbanks Alaska have plugins for headbolt heaters so you can get your car started after sitting out in 50 below
while you shop. Lots of these are free as well, but then the draw is way less than required to charge.
If they had slow charging stations in parking locations it doesn't matter, and at some locations a 20 minute gas stop is normal even for gasoline cars. Last time I took I-80 westbound we had to wait for 15 minutes to get to a pump, then 5 minutes to pump with another 10 minutes to wait for traffic to get out of my way so we can get back on the highway
I like how you just assume that won't be the same when electric cars are common.
Using your same metrics, 5 minutes to pump after 15 minutes waiting, means three cars were ahead of you. Also implied is that one car arrives
every 5 minutes so that the 15 minute wait time persists.
With a fast charging Tesla, those three cars will take an HOUR to charge. Further, in that hour 12 cars will arrive.
With other cars like the Leaf, the charge time is 4 hours, so I'm not even going to do that math for you.
You do when they have a warrant.
Well that is the issue being contested here, so you can't say for certain that a warrant is sufficient.
The government may get a warrant for the contents of one safe-deposit box, but they don't have
the right to a warrant for the combination to the bank's vault.
The idea that one person must surrender all of his possessions so that law enforcement can capture another person
is what is at issue here.
Shut up son, it's clear you have no clue what SELinux is.
It has nothing to do with cryptography. Nothing.
Idiot.
EXACTLY as predicted, you reject all evidence in your myopic opinion that there is no evil in the world.
You seriously believe that the stock price is even vaguely related to the news of corporate misbehavior? After all these decades of Microsoft being dragged into every court on earth, and the stock price didn't flincg?
You won't accept anyone's evidence. So why do you persist?
Google advertises to ME. They don't grab my contacts and send email to them.
Further, if you use a non-web client to read your gmail, you never even see the
ads that they target toward you.
I chose Gmail as my mail handler, knowing full well the rules of the game.
People who use Linkedin had no understanding that they were appointing them as their mail handler.
When someone sends me a LinkedIn Invite, I always consider the possibility that they don't understand that the Linkedin app
can mine all of their contacts by virtue of you handing over the passwords to your account. I send them an email and point to a couple on line sites that show them what is going on. Most of them are clueless that these invites are going out under their name.
This was the subject of another Slashdot Story back in September.
Its not really a vpn re-direct, they simply proxy all mail through their own servers. Admittedly, you get some clues and warnings, when they ask you for your passwords for you rmail, but I'n not convinced its that easy to tell the mail client on android to start suddenly using a proxy instead of what is configured into the phone.
We will probably have to wait and see if this trick shows up on Android.
The trick they used only works on IOS.
(Not that I'm denying there could be an equivalent trick on Android).