I was wondering the same. I suspect the wording plays a big part in how that gets answered.
I expect that people assume that the slippery slope will be in effect, and what ever is permitted will be required, and using the autonomous mode will be mandatory.
It is in the perfect place to moniter the middle east. The primary fiber optic cables run through that area directly to India. The actual headline in TFA mentioned a middle east web monitoring base using that exact phrase. Doesn't actually say it's located in any specific place.
Generally you see a line between law enforcement "signals intelligence" and national security signals intelligence. I would expect that the use of national security assets for ordinary law enforcement would be limited. I have a hard time seeing that it would be justified in this case.
Especially when the "law enforcement" issue was basically a civil matter of copyright.
Wait, are you saying that PRISM was used for enforcement of some media company's copyrights? Or was it used to try to prop up the arrest after the fact?
Because once there is proof that these systems are secret to the population of the USA, but used freely to enforce some copyrights for campaign donners, shit could hit the fan in high places.
But why set up your shop in an unstable country lime Egypt, when following your own map shows that the bulk of those cables continue on to Palermo and then Gibraltar, then to the rest of Europe.
On the off chance your tongue is not firmly in your cheek...
If you think we have trouble controlling our own governments how successful would be be controlling a world government which would quickly become an untouchable permanent ruling class?
The United States cannot target a foreigner to intercept the communications of one of its own citizens, nor can it use a second party nation (UK, CAN, AUS, or NZ), or anyone else, to target US citizens or anyone else it would be otherwise prohibited from targeting.
Care to point to the law that says that?
I'm pretty sure that what intel the US comes by without dirtying their own hands is fair game.
But my guess would be the whole episode of the UK Gov't detaining Mr. Miranda and forcing The Guarding to shred some systems seriously pissed off the British Press. Releasing UK-specific material is most likely payback. Spreading it around to other papers is most likely a signal that "threaten the Guardian with prior restraint, you better be ready to shut down every paper in the UK". GCHQ and Whitehall fucked up royally with that and they are now going to pay for threatening a major newspaper.
Oh you laugh, but I mentioned it because I was surprised to have the car brake hard and alarm as a cow ambled out of a ditch and walked across the hiway in southern Oregon one Sunny day.
Either way seems to be an infrastructure nightmare but damn would be nice when it is in place. Hopefully i can see something like this when I'm just getting old enough to not drive myself.
But had we started embedding the lane guide signal wires down the middle of freeway lanes when this was first proposed we would have self driving cars today on those roads working largely as you expected. Infrastructure upgrades (repaving, widening, etc) have already happened to a large percentage of the Freeway system. It would be trivial to lay that guide wire in segments as they were repaved.
Instead, we are going for the much harder task of autonomous cars driving around in un-controlled environments. This will be a remarkable achievement when/if completed but is sort of the hard way to do it. The cost has to be cranked into each vehicle forever, instead of doing it once per road.
I call bullshit. I've never known a time when college costs remained the same for more than two years in a row. Not 40 years ago, not 20 years ago, not even 10.
Why would there need to be? It is a matter of controversy whether passwords/phrases are protected from disclosure under the 5th amendment; but physical unlock fobs that can be seized definitely don't enjoy anything more than 4th amendment warrant requirements (and, on a bad day, probably not even that...) A physical fob makes the system markedly more accesssible to authorities, even ones acting within the law.
Right, if they got your phone, chances are that they took it off of you, and have your Skip-Chip as well. (Its actually not really even a fob, its just something to slide over your pants pocket or belt. (Better Picture Here). Comes in a set of three, because you WILL soon lose it.)
But with an APP, and a cheap NFC stickers you can make your own with any android phone that has an NFC chip.
Some states are Not allowing mobile device searches without a warrant warrants, but that is a trifling impediment. When they confiscate your phone, they will certainly find your "Skip" or they will simply take your phone into their lab an crack it via other means.
This thing is aimed at the casual user that keeps their phone on their desk, and needs to keep it locked to keep busybodies away from it. Its not meant as protection from the police.
Ah, no. Look, when even the mainstream press keeps nagging on this NSA spying issue, its because People DO Care. That you don't is pretty disheartening.
Mine too had problems. But we've learned its language.
My wife could never get it to find the address. She shouted at it speaking s l o o o o w l y. It never gets any of it, and she gets frustrated and speaks louder and slower.
I found if you just tell it in a normal voice speaking as fast as you normally would, it seems to get addresses perfect every time. If I just rattled off "Navigate to 2237 West Main street in " it would work almost every time. Problem is, any pause in there and its lost.
Well, to date I haven't seen any actual work, either by him or congress.
While the population turns more resentful by the day from intrusive government meddling and spying, he fiddles with programs that really don't need more government intervention.
The cost of college will expand to consume the available student loans, grants and financial aid. This has been true since the invention of student loans.
I suspect your ROI calculation would serve only to raise the price of an economical college quickly up to the price of the most expensive schools, because the ROI would prove them to be a much better deal, and as they draw all the students they can handle the price will rise.
I just want to see better cruise control - more akin to actual autopilot. Especially on freeways, I should be able to tell the vehicle "maintain this speed, stay in the lane (modify speed as needed wrt other vehicles/road conditions) until point X" and not worry about it. I'll handle city street/"last mile" driving myself.
Its called Adaptive Cruise Control, and it does all that except you still have to steer. (Because lane striping is unreliable).
You set your max, and just steer. The car will maintain a distance you can set behind the car in front. If someone squeezes into that space, the car backs off to your preset distance. If the driver in front can't/won't maintain a constant speed the car just adjusts and stays that set distance. If the car in front slams on the brakes your car will stop well short (sounding an alert).
I will never buy another car without this feature. It takes all the aggravation out of highway driving, where there is always one guy who wants to go half a mile per hour slower than you, and you constantly have to fiddle with cruise control.
Its still stupid about stop signs. But it sees motorcycles (and cows). Its not that expensive and you can get it even on mid priced cars. Has some insurance benefits too. But you still have to steer, and be prepared for emergencies.
Some use invisible lasers, some use cameras, some use 25ghz radar. (The radar models are best, they see thru fog). Combine it with a good nav system and you have everything except the steering part.
But agreed, speed limits are almost universally understood to be well below the safe speed. 10% over the posted speed is easily within the safety margin engineered into the road, and nothing but a po-dunk sheriff will pull you over for 10%.
( The are more than a few country roads where the put up a speed limit sign once every 20 miles whether they need it or not. I saw one 55 sign smack dab in the middle of a mountain hairpin turn in California, where even drifting that corner you couldn't do 30 if you tried.)
But what causes people to drive over the posted speed is the universal knowledge that speed limits have become a political designation, and is no longer an engineering one.
And given that this is mostly a political decision, you can bet that driver-less cars will drive at or more likely BELOW the posted speed. They will become a huge impediment to traffic, because regardless of the lane they are in they will drive the speed limit. No way will they be "Just keeping up with traffic". What engineer would assume the risk of programming that into the system?
They may end up being the best speed control device ever invented, because if just 10-20% of the vehicle on the road drove the speed limit regardless of which lane they were in, nobody could go any faster.
When you can sit in the back seat and say "drive to destination" then for all practical purposes its autonomous. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't accept vehicles that decide where we should go and just stop at some random destination.
My problem is that they are usually annoying AND friendly. Just shut the **** up and drive.
Yeah and stop talking on your Bluetooth in Farsi trying to get directions and hoping I won't realize you are lost.... and maybe take a shower once a week or so? Gawd I hate cabs.
Count me in as well. I do not actually like driving. That's a lot of wasted time for me. I'd rather do so many more things during that driving time. I could read all my commute time. Or even play need for speed!:)
As long as it has a manual mode, I'd be fine with having autonomous mode available. As I progress more in my geezerhood I will probably yearn more for autonomous mode and less for manual.
I like driving, but I like it least in the places I would also distrust an automated car, so I'm conflicted right there. (Traffic jams) Call me when autonomous cars can totally de-snarl bumper to bumper stop and go traffic, such that when the light changes every single car in the queue moves forward in unison.
Till then, there are some roads that just beg to be driven, and they are not that uncommon.
Sorry you are so ignorant of experimental design, but it's no my job to complete your education. There's so much wrong with your argument that I scarcely know where to begin, so I won't.
Translation : without knowing the target for ad hominum attacks, there can't be a discussion, because ideas mean different things depending on where, or who they came from.
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I was wondering the same. I suspect the wording plays a big part in how that gets answered.
I expect that people assume that the slippery slope will be in effect, and what ever is permitted will be required, and using the autonomous mode will be mandatory.
Your assertion that people don't give a shit is demonstrably false, rendering the rest of your post somewhat of a defeatist rant.
It is in the perfect place to moniter the middle east. The primary fiber optic cables run through that area directly to India. The actual headline in TFA mentioned a middle east web monitoring base using that exact phrase. Doesn't actually say it's located in any specific place.
Generally you see a line between law enforcement "signals intelligence" and national security signals intelligence. I would expect that the use of national security assets for ordinary law enforcement would be limited. I have a hard time seeing that it would be justified in this case.
Especially when the "law enforcement" issue was basically a civil matter of copyright.
Wait, are you saying that PRISM was used for enforcement of some media company's copyrights?
Or was it used to try to prop up the arrest after the fact?
Because once there is proof that these systems are secret to the population of the USA, but used freely to enforce some copyrights for campaign donners, shit could hit the fan in high places.
But why set up your shop in an unstable country lime Egypt, when following your own map shows that the bulk of those cables continue on to Palermo and then Gibraltar, then to the rest of Europe.
Which is why we need a world government.
No more "foreigners."
On the off chance your tongue is not firmly in your cheek...
If you think we have trouble controlling our own governments how successful would be be
controlling a world government which would quickly become an untouchable permanent ruling class?
You are Mad Sir, simply Mad.
The United States cannot target a foreigner to intercept the communications of one of its own citizens, nor can it use a second party nation (UK, CAN, AUS, or NZ), or anyone else, to target US citizens or anyone else it would be otherwise prohibited from targeting.
Care to point to the law that says that?
I'm pretty sure that what intel the US comes by without dirtying their own hands is fair game.
But my guess would be the whole episode of the UK Gov't detaining Mr. Miranda and forcing The Guarding to shred some systems seriously pissed off the British Press. Releasing UK-specific material is most likely payback. Spreading it around to other papers is most likely a signal that "threaten the Guardian with prior restraint, you better be ready to shut down every paper in the UK". GCHQ and Whitehall fucked up royally with that and they are now going to pay for threatening a major newspaper.
Just a guess, mind you.
Yeah, and it wouldn't bee too hard to figure out where this secret location is either.
You could just pick likely places from here: http://www.telegeography.com/telecom-resources/submarine-cable-landing-directory/
Gibraltar would be a good guess.
Oh you laugh, but I mentioned it because I was surprised to have the car brake hard and alarm as a cow ambled out of a ditch and walked across the hiway in southern Oregon one Sunny day.
Either way seems to be an infrastructure nightmare but damn would be nice when it is in place. Hopefully i can see something like this when I'm just getting old enough to not drive myself.
But had we started embedding the lane guide signal wires down the middle of freeway lanes when this was first proposed we would have self driving cars today on those roads working largely as you expected. Infrastructure upgrades (repaving, widening, etc) have already happened to a large percentage of the Freeway system. It would be trivial to lay that guide wire in segments as they were repaved.
Instead, we are going for the much harder task of autonomous cars driving around in un-controlled environments. This will be a remarkable achievement when/if completed but is sort of the hard way to do it. The cost has to be cranked into each vehicle forever, instead of doing it once per road.
So it never went up prior to that?
I call bullshit. I've never known a time when college costs remained the same for more than two years in a row. Not 40 years ago, not 20 years ago, not even 10.
Why would there need to be? It is a matter of controversy whether passwords/phrases are protected from disclosure under the 5th amendment; but physical unlock fobs that can be seized definitely don't enjoy anything more than 4th amendment warrant requirements (and, on a bad day, probably not even that...) A physical fob makes the system markedly more accesssible to authorities, even ones acting within the law.
Right, if they got your phone, chances are that they took it off of you, and have your Skip-Chip as well.
(Its actually not really even a fob, its just something to slide over your pants pocket or belt. (Better Picture Here).
Comes in a set of three, because you WILL soon lose it.)
But with an APP, and a cheap NFC stickers you can make your own with any android phone that has an NFC chip.
Some states are Not allowing mobile device searches without a warrant warrants, but that is a trifling impediment. When they confiscate your phone, they will certainly find your "Skip" or they will simply take your phone into their lab an crack it via other means.
This thing is aimed at the casual user that keeps their phone on their desk, and needs to keep it locked to keep busybodies away from it. Its not meant as protection from the police.
Ah, no. Look, when even the mainstream press keeps nagging on this NSA spying issue, its because People DO Care.
That you don't is pretty disheartening.
Mine too had problems. But we've learned its language.
My wife could never get it to find the address.
She shouted at it speaking s l o o o o w l y. It never gets any of it, and she gets frustrated and speaks louder and slower.
I found if you just tell it in a normal voice speaking as fast as you normally would, it seems to get addresses perfect every time.
If I just rattled off "Navigate to 2237 West Main street in " it would work almost every time.
Problem is, any pause in there and its lost.
Well, to date I haven't seen any actual work, either by him or congress.
While the population turns more resentful by the day from intrusive government meddling and spying, he fiddles with programs that really don't need more government intervention.
The cost of college will expand to consume the available student loans, grants and financial aid. This has been true since the invention of student loans.
I suspect your ROI calculation would serve only to raise the price of an economical college quickly up to the price of the most expensive schools, because the ROI would prove them to be a much better deal, and as they draw all the students they can handle the price will rise.
I just want to see better cruise control - more akin to actual autopilot. Especially on freeways, I should be able to tell the vehicle "maintain this speed, stay in the lane (modify speed as needed wrt other vehicles/road conditions) until point X" and not worry about it. I'll handle city street/"last mile" driving myself.
Its called Adaptive Cruise Control, and it does all that except you still have to steer. (Because lane striping is unreliable).
You set your max, and just steer. The car will maintain a distance you can set behind the car in front.
If someone squeezes into that space, the car backs off to your preset distance. If the driver in front
can't/won't maintain a constant speed the car just adjusts and stays that set distance.
If the car in front slams on the brakes your car will stop well short (sounding an alert).
I will never buy another car without this feature. It takes all the aggravation out of highway driving, where there is always one guy who wants to go half a mile per hour slower than you, and you constantly have to fiddle with cruise control.
Its still stupid about stop signs. But it sees motorcycles (and cows). Its not that expensive and you can get it even on mid priced cars. Has some insurance benefits too. But you still have to steer, and be prepared for emergencies.
Some use invisible lasers, some use cameras, some use 25ghz radar. (The radar models are best, they see thru fog).
Combine it with a good nav system and you have everything except the steering part.
Looks like your quoting went to hell on you...
But agreed, speed limits are almost universally understood to be well below the safe speed.
10% over the posted speed is easily within the safety margin engineered into the road, and nothing but a po-dunk sheriff will pull you over for 10%.
( The are more than a few country roads where the put up a speed limit sign once every 20 miles whether they need it or not. I saw one 55 sign smack dab in the middle of a mountain hairpin turn in California, where even drifting that corner you couldn't do 30 if you tried.)
But what causes people to drive over the posted speed is the universal knowledge that speed limits have become a political designation, and is no longer an engineering one.
And given that this is mostly a political decision, you can bet that driver-less cars will drive at or more likely BELOW the posted speed. They will become a huge impediment to traffic, because regardless of the lane they are in they will drive the speed limit.
No way will they be "Just keeping up with traffic". What engineer would assume the risk of programming that into the system?
They may end up being the best speed control device ever invented, because if just 10-20% of the vehicle on the road drove the speed limit regardless of which lane they were in, nobody could go any faster.
When you can sit in the back seat and say "drive to destination" then for all practical purposes its autonomous.
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't accept vehicles that decide where we should go and just stop at some random destination.
My problem is that they are usually annoying AND friendly. Just shut the **** up and drive.
Yeah and stop talking on your Bluetooth in Farsi trying to get directions and hoping I won't realize you are lost....
and maybe take a shower once a week or so?
Gawd I hate cabs.
Count me in as well. I do not actually like driving. That's a lot of wasted time for me. I'd rather do so many more things during that driving time. I could read all my commute time. Or even play need for speed! :)
As long as it has a manual mode, I'd be fine with having autonomous mode available.
As I progress more in my geezerhood I will probably yearn more for autonomous mode and less for manual.
I like driving, but I like it least in the places I would also distrust an automated car, so I'm conflicted
right there. (Traffic jams) Call me when autonomous cars can totally de-snarl bumper to bumper stop and
go traffic, such that when the light changes every single car in the queue moves forward in unison.
Till then, there are some roads that just beg to be driven, and they are not that uncommon.
Sorry you are so ignorant of experimental design, but it's no my job to complete your education.
There's so much wrong with your argument that I scarcely know where to begin, so I won't.
Translation : without knowing the target for ad hominum attacks, there can't be a discussion, because ideas mean different things depending on where, or who they came from.
Secret ballots must really grind your grits!
The difference is that is just my opinion, an I don't release a pretensions study and claim it applies to everyone with a mobile pbone.