I can't speak to russian phones, but no phone can be certified in the US or the EU that continues to transmit when it is turned off. (Its and old tinfoil hat story that says otherwise. Simply not true.)
Your packets will be treated the same, once you sign up for the proper type of connection.
And if you don't sign up for that type of connection?
Then, on every major isp in the US, the ISP's security department will detect your listening servers, remind you of the TOS you signed when you set up your account, and shut down your service if you don't comply.
Your data transmissions should be treated, routed, carried at the same speed, as others provided by the carrier's own services, or the other users paying the same rates.
Stretching this to mean that you can run your own mail server or open your own web store on a residential connection was never part of net neutrality.
Buy a business connection and all these issues go away. You also get a better upload/download ratio. Because residential is heavily favoring download speed over upload.
I always pointed out on slashdot, just HOW MUCH trust was being put in Google, with how little understanding of their operation as a publicly traded company.
Oh, climb down before you hurt yourself.
We ALL know that google makes money selling your demographics in bulk and pushing ads on you. There is no secret there. In my day job I manage google advertising for the company I work for, and we get nothing identifiable on those who click my company's ads. (Just like Google's privacy policy says).
The ads Google pushes into web pages are targeted. We all know that. If I search for Lexus dealers, Lexus ads show up on various web pages. Big deal. I can turn on ad block at any time.
There is no lack of understanding here. You made that up. We know what they do and how they do it.
I've never had any of my "private information" leaked, or sold to anyone. I've got unique searchable strings in many of my Google Docs files, emails, etc, and they don't show up on the net.
As far as this example, this so called net neutrality issue is not even what net neutrality is all about. Further, ALL broadband providers have limitations on offering services (mail, web, game, blogs) on residential connections. Comcast, Roadrunner, AT&T, all of them). There is nothing new here.
You want to provide a service, buy a business connection.
Google plans to offer its own business-class services on Fiber. Can't have people running their own servers as competition. This company tends to claim support for whatever is politically popular among techies and then quietly go back on it when it affects their bottom line.
Just like Comcast and most other providers.
You can't run anything that accepts inbound connections. Even SSH is frowned upon. Pay up for their business class service and all of the objections disappear. The ONLY reason for this prohibition is money grubbing by the carriers. They sold it based on spam, but applied it to everything, even game servers.
Even the Russians never ask to see "Your Labels Comrade". Changing the SIM (IMSI) still leaves your phone transmitting its IMEI with every tower connection.
While its not impossible to change your IMEI, most thieves don't bother. They just resell the phone quickly.
Is it really about detecting stolen phones/SIM cards, or is that a convenient 'cover story' for eavesdropping on people's private smartphone data while they wait to ride the subway?
Why would they bother when they can just force the local cellular providers to let them access this data directly and easily
You've been duped by the title. There is no ability to read your data off of the phone. All it does is capture Sim numbers (IMSI) of phones that move past the detector.
Tinfoil simply tricks your phone it transmitting with more power, trying to reach that cell tower it can just barely hear through the foil. Each transmission includes your IMSI number. So your phone is screaming at the top of its lungs wrapped in tinfoil which simply acts as a large re-radiator. Totally ineffective.
How is this any different from license plate readers tracking where your car goes?
Its quite possible that Plate readers also read every cell phone in the car, because they are always broadcasting their IMEI and IMSI every few milliseconds. A simple directional receive only antenna is all that is needed.
The "special device" is basically a very small portable cell tower (at least to the extent that the phone will connect to it and identify itself), presumably with a highly directional antenna. Removing the battery is probably fine. Turning the phone off is probably fine unless you're highly paranoid.
Exactly, except the phone doesn't have to actually connect to that tiny cell, in fact it can be complete passive.. The cell station can read your IMEI off of any transmission your phone does in response to normal cell towers. Your phone checks in with the towers every 4.615 ms, so listening to these packets should be very precise with a very directional antenna.
Tracking stolen phones? Come on. Its more like a license plate reader, and I suspect this technology is already in use in many countries.
Also, why the fuck would anyone be using the sim that came with the stolen phone? If I were to steal a phone, the first thing I would do would be to toss the sim into the nearest garbage or storm drain or whatnot, and put a new one in. It's not like they're expensive or hard to get. Where I'm from I can get a sim for €10 with €10 credit. So, effectively, it's free.
Exactly. And the headlines are also misleading. The technology can read your phone's sim number (which is broadcast to the towers anyway), but there is nothing in the article that indicates it can read ANY data stored on the phone. Nobody stores even their contacts on a sim anymore, so all they get is the sim number (IMSI), and maybe your phones IMEI.
It seems like the USPTO is doing a *slightly* better job of not granting these absurd and frivolous patents. Love to see if they keep up this kind of thing.
Whoa, there cowpoke. Let's not acknowledged them for ordinary powers of observation over one "dee-NIED!"
Now if they start making a habit of it, there may be cause to light one cupcake on fire in celebration.
Spot on. The re-examinations are starting to show some common sense. After the community at large finds the prior art for them, the patent office seem to fess up to their mistakes more easily than most government agencies.
I'm not saying its the patent offices job to search for prior art, (but if Joe Random can find prior art why can't they?), but voiding all of these patents only AFTER they have been issued and appealed, and used in court, and enforced by various import bans, and inflicted untold damage on the market place just seems backwards.
Since we are now on a first to file basis, the idea of imposing a 1 year public comment period commencing just after the Patent office published an intent-to-award notice would seem a reasonable extension to the patent process. It would put the community or others in the field on notice of which patents need attention.
As it is now, thousands of patents are filed and even the community efforts can't find all the prior art on every filing and the effort isn't warranted when significant percentage of patent applications will be rejected anyway.
We probably need a Dewey Decimal System for patent claims, so that the search process would be faster.
However two.22 slugs to the back of the head is yet a real possibility. He's probably safer in Russia than in any South American country. (Oh, I forgot. The CIA would never do such a thing. What was I thinking).
Can there be any surprise here? An internal investigation, with nobody sworn in, and no subpoena power, finds the institution that empowers it blameless.
Lets have an investigation of why they wasted the money doing this investigation. No doubt that will find no fault either.
There are only small localized subsections of "technicla fields" where tagging is of any importance at all, and metadata is simply the latest over-hyped buzzword of this small segment.
The vast majority of "technical fields" have no need of this. Its not even widely used in computerized systems. It mostly sprung up from people who's only knowledge of computer systems came from the area of database administration.
We've been through these hype-wars before. In five to seven years you won't even remember why this was so important to you.
I guess I'll have to click the links and read and see if a definition of tagging is in the linked article...but I couldn't surmise from the synopsis what tagging referred to.
Tagging is a name for Gang Inspired Graffiti spray painted on walls and trains etc. Its used to mark territory, and generally piss property owners off. A similar function is often used for computer data, for roughly the same purposes.
Snowden would probably be looking at a similar outcome.
Except Snowden is still holding a deadman's switch. He has encrypted and distributed much greater and more damaging information.
He is effectively being bottled up in Russia and told to shut up by Putin himself. What US secrets and concessions did this Administration have to offer the Russians in exchange for that? It won't come out until the party in power leaves office. I predict Snowden will never see South America, because the Russians can contain him far more effectively.
Beyond the fate of Private Manning as an individual, the 'aiding the enemy' charge — unprecedented in a leak case — could have significant long-term ramifications for investigative journalism in the Internet era.
Since he was acquitted of the charge, isn't that particular kind of potential ramification now less dire? It doesn't prove that the government will never be able to overreach in that manner, but the fact that they couldn't get a conviction on that charge here, even in a military court and little dispute about the underlying facts of document release, suggests that it won't be that easy.
Agreed, the summary was over-reaching.
Its almost impossible to convict Journalists in this day and age of anything related to espionage.
Still when this administration Taps Reporters phones and even taps Congressional Phones we are pretty close to a police state where you dare not even complain to your Congressman any more.
They don't go after the congressmen or the journalist, just the people they talk to. (Or so they say).
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I can't speak to russian phones, but no phone can be certified in the US or the EU that continues to transmit when it is turned off.
(Its and old tinfoil hat story that says otherwise. Simply not true.)
Here, I even do your homework for you.
Read technical restrictions section about Comcast residential service :
http://www.comcast.com/Corporate/Customers/Policies/HighSpeedInternetAUP.html
Read your TOS, idiot.
Your packets will be treated the same, once you sign up for the proper type of connection.
And if you don't sign up for that type of connection?
Then, on every major isp in the US, the ISP's security department will detect your listening servers, remind you of the TOS you signed when you set up your account, and shut down your service if you don't comply.
Read your TOS. Find a different ISP.
Your packets will be treated the same, once you sign up for the proper type of connection.
As I've stated elsewhere the restrictions against servers on residential connections is in place on virtually isp in the us.
It has nothing to do with net neutrality.
Your data transmissions should be treated, routed, carried at the same speed, as others provided by the carrier's own services, or the other users paying the same rates.
Stretching this to mean that you can run your own mail server or open your own web store on a residential connection was never part of net neutrality.
Buy a business connection and all these issues go away.
You also get a better upload/download ratio. Because residential is heavily favoring download speed over upload.
You buy a Google Business connection, and all these restrictions disappear.
So there goes your argument.
I always pointed out on slashdot, just HOW MUCH trust was being put in Google, with how little understanding of their operation as a publicly traded company.
Oh, climb down before you hurt yourself.
We ALL know that google makes money selling your demographics in bulk and pushing ads on you.
There is no secret there. In my day job I manage google advertising for the company I work for, and we get nothing identifiable on those who click my company's ads. (Just like Google's privacy policy says).
The ads Google pushes into web pages are targeted. We all know that. If I search for Lexus dealers, Lexus ads show up on various web pages. Big deal. I can turn on ad block at any time.
There is no lack of understanding here. You made that up. We know what they do and how they do it.
I've never had any of my "private information" leaked, or sold to anyone. I've got unique searchable strings in many of my Google Docs files, emails, etc, and they don't show up on the net.
As far as this example, this so called net neutrality issue is not even what net neutrality is all about. Further, ALL broadband providers have limitations on offering services (mail, web, game, blogs) on residential connections. Comcast, Roadrunner, AT&T, all of them). There is nothing new here.
You want to provide a service, buy a business connection.
Google plans to offer its own business-class services on Fiber. Can't have people running their own servers as competition. This company tends to claim support for whatever is politically popular among techies and then quietly go back on it when it affects their bottom line.
Just like Comcast and most other providers.
You can't run anything that accepts inbound connections. Even SSH is frowned upon.
Pay up for their business class service and all of the objections disappear.
The ONLY reason for this prohibition is money grubbing by the carriers. They sold it based on spam, but applied it to everything, even game servers.
What the hell do the labels have to do with it?
Even the Russians never ask to see "Your Labels Comrade".
Changing the SIM (IMSI) still leaves your phone transmitting its IMEI with every tower connection.
While its not impossible to change your IMEI, most thieves don't bother. They just resell the phone quickly.
Is it really about detecting stolen phones/SIM cards, or is that a convenient 'cover story' for eavesdropping on people's private smartphone data while they wait to ride the subway?
Why would they bother when they can just force the local cellular providers to let them access this data directly and easily
You've been duped by the title. There is no ability to read your data off of the phone.
All it does is capture Sim numbers (IMSI) of phones that move past the detector.
Power switch is more effective.
Tinfoil simply tricks your phone it transmitting with more power, trying to reach that cell tower it can just barely hear through the foil. Each transmission includes your IMSI number. So your phone is screaming at the top of its lungs wrapped in tinfoil which simply acts as a large re-radiator. Totally ineffective.
How is this any different from license plate readers tracking where your car goes?
Its quite possible that Plate readers also read every cell phone in the car, because they are always broadcasting their IMEI and IMSI every few milliseconds. A simple directional receive only antenna is all that is needed.
The "special device" is basically a very small portable cell tower (at least to the extent that the phone will connect to it and identify itself), presumably with a highly directional antenna. Removing the battery is probably fine. Turning the phone off is probably fine unless you're highly paranoid.
Exactly, except the phone doesn't have to actually connect to that tiny cell, in fact it can be complete passive.. The cell station can read your IMEI off of any transmission your phone does in response to normal cell towers. Your phone checks in with the towers every 4.615 ms, so listening to these packets should be very precise with a very directional antenna.
Tracking stolen phones? Come on. Its more like a license plate reader, and I suspect this technology is already in use in many countries.
Also, why the fuck would anyone be using the sim that came with the stolen phone? If I were to steal a phone, the first thing I would do would be to toss the sim into the nearest garbage or storm drain or whatnot, and put a new one in. It's not like they're expensive or hard to get. Where I'm from I can get a sim for €10 with €10 credit. So, effectively, it's free.
Exactly.
And the headlines are also misleading. The technology can read your phone's sim number (which is broadcast to the towers anyway), but there is nothing in the article that indicates it can read ANY data stored on the phone. Nobody stores even their contacts on a sim anymore, so all they get is the sim number (IMSI), and maybe your phones IMEI.
I thought searching for prior art was part of a patent examiner's job. Is that not correct?
When you file for a patent, YOU have to search for prior art and document how your invention does not infringe each item.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/37/1.56
I'm not saying its the patent offices job to search for prior art,
Yes it is. That is exactly their job.
Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_art#Duty_of_disclosure
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2001.html
Finding all prior art is the responsibility of the patent seeker. Failure to do so establishes a prima facie case of unpatentability.
37 CFR 1.56.
If you are indeed a lawyer, please stick to writing wills.
It seems like the USPTO is doing a *slightly* better job of not granting these absurd and frivolous patents. Love to see if they keep up this kind of thing.
Whoa, there cowpoke. Let's not acknowledged them for ordinary powers of observation over one "dee-NIED!"
Now if they start making a habit of it, there may be cause to light one cupcake on fire in celebration.
Spot on.
The re-examinations are starting to show some common sense.
After the community at large finds the prior art for them, the patent office seem to fess up to their mistakes more easily than most government agencies.
I'm not saying its the patent offices job to search for prior art, (but if Joe Random can find prior art why can't they?), but voiding all of these patents only AFTER they have been issued
and appealed, and used in court, and enforced by various import bans, and inflicted untold damage on the market place just seems backwards.
Since we are now on a first to file basis, the idea of imposing a 1 year public comment period commencing just after the Patent office published an intent-to-award notice would seem a reasonable extension to the patent process. It would put the community or others in the field on notice of which patents need attention.
As it is now, thousands of patents are filed and even the community efforts can't find all the prior art on every filing and the effort isn't warranted when significant percentage of patent applications will be rejected anyway.
We probably need a Dewey Decimal System for patent claims, so that the search process would be faster.
seek to execute Manning.
However two .22 slugs to the back of the head is yet a real possibility. He's probably safer in Russia than in any South American country.
(Oh, I forgot. The CIA would never do such a thing. What was I thinking).
Thanks for proving my point.
Bye now, son. Gotta run, bigger fish to fry than your toy database exercises.
Can there be any surprise here?
An internal investigation, with nobody sworn in, and no subpoena power, finds the institution that empowers it blameless.
Lets have an investigation of why they wasted the money doing this investigation. No doubt that will find no fault either.
Nonsense.
There are only small localized subsections of "technicla fields" where tagging is of any importance at all, and metadata is
simply the latest over-hyped buzzword of this small segment.
The vast majority of "technical fields" have no need of this. Its not even widely used in computerized systems.
It mostly sprung up from people who's only knowledge of computer systems came from the area of database administration.
We've been through these hype-wars before. In five to seven years you won't even remember why this was so important to you.
What exactly is "tagging"?
*sigh*
I guess I'll have to click the links and read and see if a definition of tagging is in the linked article...but I couldn't surmise from the synopsis what tagging referred to.
Tagging is a name for Gang Inspired Graffiti spray painted on walls and trains etc. Its used to mark territory, and generally piss property owners off. A similar function is often used for computer data, for roughly the same purposes.
Snowden would probably be looking at a similar outcome.
Except Snowden is still holding a deadman's switch. He has encrypted and distributed much greater and more damaging information.
He is effectively being bottled up in Russia and told to shut up by Putin himself. What US secrets and concessions did this Administration have to offer the Russians in exchange for that? It won't come out until the party in power leaves office. I predict Snowden will never see South America, because the Russians can contain him far more effectively.
Since he was acquitted of the charge, isn't that particular kind of potential ramification now less dire? It doesn't prove that the government will never be able to overreach in that manner, but the fact that they couldn't get a conviction on that charge here, even in a military court and little dispute about the underlying facts of document release, suggests that it won't be that easy.
Agreed, the summary was over-reaching.
Its almost impossible to convict Journalists in this day and age of anything related to espionage.
Still when this administration Taps Reporters phones and even taps Congressional Phones we are pretty close to a police state where you dare not even complain to your Congressman any more.
They don't go after the congressmen or the journalist, just the people they talk to. (Or so they say).