And runs from when you leave the car until a valet actually drives it away. Busy terminal, busy valets, could be a hour. Could be more. Could be less.
The more busy it is the less time it will be. At any busy place it is mere minutes, and if you run away, the valet will summon police immediately.
But if you don't run, the Valet helps you get your bags out of the trunk, so they ALREADY know there is no bomb in there.
There is exactly 3 to 5 minutes of exposure, where you are there, but not yet unloaded, which is exactly the same amount of time if you do your own unloading and parking.
So under what twisted scenario does the Valet get to search your car after they drive it to valet parking?
Its clear you want to twist this so that there is an excuse to search your car, because you think valet parking is some how more unsafe than self parking, and any bit of freedom we can give up for some minuscule amount of safety is worth it. But no matter how hard you try, you just come off looking ridiculous.
Mostly I agree with you, but on one issue, you're just over the top wrong:
*A private concern won't put it in because of shareholders not wanting to pay for anything ever.
Shareholders and bond holders are people that have lent the company money EXACTLY for this type of thing, Infrastructure expansion. Railroad building. Pipeline building. Fiber network building. Building building.
Shareholders seldom get a chance to turn down capital spending (other than choosing not to by the initial public offering).
However, were this a town in the U.S. one of the telcos (or all of them) would sue repeatedly for unfair competition
Not so sure that would happen.
There are a lot of cities and towns putting up free wifi networks in certain areas, simply because the have the ability to do so. (I live in such a town, where the Public Utility District has fiber to spare and is putting up free wifi). So far, no lawsuits. even though the fiber and the bandwidth to support it are all paid by tax dollars.
There have been court cases that have selected this issue, and municipalities and county government is free to do this.
Inevitably, free wifi will re-prove the tragedy of the commons as over use will force the governmental unit to drastic bandwidth limitations simply because they have to pay the upstream backbone networks.
There are lots of towns in the US, big and small. that have un-used fiber laying around, which was installed the last time they ripped up their streets for remodel, or which was built into subdivisions as a conditions of their permitting process. Most of this is used to tie a few buildings public buildings together, or (an a sad number of cases) not used at all.
There entire counties that have fiber running to every minor town. (Google county fiber network = 14 million hits).
Most of these towns don't have fiber running everywhere. So turning it on ind the downtown core is often avoided simply because it will cause a clamor for fiber everywhere from the rest of the tax payers. Some of it has been in the ground so long nobody knows if it works or not. Since it wasn't being used, in some cities it has been damaged by construction and nobody was even aware of it. Some towns are putting up FREE PUBLIC WIFI, using their fiber. And almost as soon as it is turned on the "won't somebody think of the children" crowd shows up demanding censorship. There are a lot of political land mines to dodge when putting this stuff to use. So far too much of it sits idle.
If you have never heard of car bombs, you should start watching international news. Or remember Oklahoma city. Blowing up that car pretty much effected safety for those people inside the building.
Car bombs? You must be joking, right? Valet parking isn't going to be anywhere near the terminal. That's why you need a valet.
Why would you take a car bomb to the airport and risk getting dog-sniffed, when you could park downtown and do way more damage?
And that's different from what happens to you luggage in WHAT way ??
May I remind you that you are not allowed to use locks that are not easy to open (read. useless) on your suitcase?
Your car doesn't come with you on the plane. (I would have thought that was obvious to the most casual reader).
If the car doesn't blow up at the departure curb when the valet starts it up to move it, any chance for inflicting serious damage or terror disappears, because bowing up a couple adjacent cars in a valet lot does nothing.
So a peek into the trunk while the valet helps you unload is more than enough.
Yes, people who are parking the cars should be informed beforehand. That way they can choose to park themselves and make their own way to the terminal building if they don't want their car searched.
You've already made the case that the search is too late, why meekly offer up an opt out simply to excuse or enable the search program?
There would be no point in blowing up a car in a parking lot. So if it didn't blow up at the departure curbside, all excuses for searching it disappear.
Even if you buy into the search is justified myth, a peek into the trunk is all that is necessary to make sure it wasn't packed with a huge stash of explosive. So any search other than a peek into the trunk is an un-reasonable search.
Any amount of C4 could be backed into areas of the car that your valet would never be able to access. So even if every nook and cranny was packed with explosive, once he drives it away to the great scratch-yard, there is no longer any point in any search.
The team believes that the virus may carry the genes from a long-dead branch of the tree of life, one that possibly even started on Mars or somewhere else.
Other scientists are skeptical
No shit? That's one heck of an extraordinary claim right there. It'd be very fascinating if true, but that's going to need some strong evidence backing it. Either way, a virus of its size is still quite interesting.
Dna in the virus. Composed of the same nucleotides found in all life on earth. So either all life on earth originated on mars (or somewhere), or these viruses originated on earth.
One case makes them simply interesting, the other makes for much better headlines and vastly more grant money.
If congress is angry its only because they are getting flooded with email complaints and have to send out the same form letter hundreds of times per day.
I got three just yesterday, from 2 senators and a congresswoman. Two of them were word for word identical, one from a Democratic senator, the other form a Democratic house member. WORD. FOR. WORD.
Nope. The real estate agent is 1 hop. They pull all his records. The daughter is 2 hops. They pull all her records. The mechanic is 3 hops. They pull all his records.
3 hops. The fact that the mechanic serviced your car will be captured, even though they never made the 4th hop to pull your records directly.
And suddenly the mechanic becomes a "suspect" and they pull his records, and the peoples cars he's worked on records and the owners of the cars records.
Rinse, repeat.
Not to mention what happens if the mechanic happened to post on Slashdot. These ACs might be on to something here...
Will Slashdot be as forthcoming as google and tell us between 1 and 1000 how many NSA letters they received in the last year?
Use your own brains -- the NSA doesn't know who its interested in in advance, so they collect as much information as possible to use in later analysis once they find out who might be connected to a person of interest.
No, what it really means is that:
The definition of a "person of interest" just got expanded to anyone 3 hops away from their original suspect.
So your meta data, but no content of mail or phone calls (snort of derision) gets indexed because you emailed the same web store from which their original suspect bought shoes. And anyone else you emailed, or called, is also a person of interest.
You go down town to central station and count how may buses go past in any 10 minute period. The way I read your time tables you have at least 8 buses inbound and outbound in any 10 minute period just about all day long.
Putting weight behind a letter seems a bit fanciful.
On the other hand, they can simply present it as a demand, and state that the alternative is each of them will publish ALL the letters delivered to ANY of them and refuse to comply.
Let the DOJ or the DOD put ALL 69 Companies in jail or shut them down. Especially when the government is dependent on most of them and the citizens are customers of all of them.
We are not talking about Borrow, where there are no rules.
We are talking about a rental.
If you wreck the car of any rental agency you will buy them a brand new one. Plus any other costs they incur while waiting for the new car to arrive. They aren't going to be renting out some random second hand car with questionable maintenance. The liability would be way too high.
If that were the case, after all the years PayPal has been in business an underflow would have happened a million times before. I'm going with a gamma ray hit on memory somewhere flipping a bit on 3 cent negative balance or something.
Slashdot Mirror
And runs from when you leave the car until a valet actually drives it away. Busy terminal, busy valets, could be a hour. Could be more. Could be less.
The more busy it is the less time it will be. At any busy place it is mere minutes, and if you run away, the valet will summon police immediately.
But if you don't run, the Valet helps you get your bags out of the trunk, so they ALREADY know there is no bomb in there.
There is exactly 3 to 5 minutes of exposure, where you are there, but not yet unloaded, which is exactly the same amount of time if you do your own unloading and parking.
So under what twisted scenario does the Valet get to search your car after they drive it to valet parking?
Its clear you want to twist this so that there is an excuse to search your car, because you think valet parking is some how more unsafe than self parking, and any bit of freedom we can give up for some minuscule amount of safety is worth it. But no matter how hard you try, you just come off looking ridiculous.
And pedantry is measured in posts like yours, apparently.
Mostly I agree with you, but on one issue, you're just over the top wrong:
*A private concern won't put it in because of shareholders not wanting to pay for anything ever.
Shareholders and bond holders are people that have lent the company money EXACTLY for this type of thing, Infrastructure expansion. Railroad building. Pipeline building. Fiber network building. Building building.
Shareholders seldom get a chance to turn down capital spending (other than choosing not to by the initial public offering).
Google isn't the only company doing this in the US.
Its just that we don't want to do your homework for you.
However, were this a town in the U.S. one of the telcos (or all of them) would sue repeatedly for unfair competition
Not so sure that would happen.
There are a lot of cities and towns putting up free wifi networks in certain areas, simply because the have the ability to do so.
(I live in such a town, where the Public Utility District has fiber to spare and is putting up free wifi).
So far, no lawsuits. even though the fiber and the bandwidth to support it are all paid by tax dollars.
There have been court cases that have selected this issue, and municipalities and county government is free to do this.
Inevitably, free wifi will re-prove the tragedy of the commons as over use will force the governmental unit to drastic bandwidth limitations simply because they have to pay the upstream backbone networks.
Sigh...
The valet parking lot is not close to the airport terminal.
You get out at the terminal, hand your keys to the valet and he drives it to the valet lot and then searches your vehicle.
Any opportunity to bomb the terminal ends the minute he drives away.
So why would a search be justified?
The title of the summary disagrees with the summary itself, but TFA says gigabit.
There are lots of towns in the US, big and small. that have un-used fiber laying around, which was installed the last time they ripped up their streets for remodel, or which was built into subdivisions as a conditions of their permitting process. Most of this is used to tie a few buildings public buildings together, or (an a sad number of cases) not used at all.
There entire counties that have fiber running to every minor town. (Google county fiber network = 14 million hits).
Most of these towns don't have fiber running everywhere. So turning it on ind the downtown core is often avoided simply because it will cause a clamor for fiber everywhere from the rest of the tax payers. Some of it has been in the ground so long nobody knows if it works or not. Since it wasn't being used, in some cities it has been damaged by construction and nobody was even aware of it. Some towns are putting up FREE PUBLIC WIFI, using their fiber. And almost as soon as it is turned on the "won't somebody think of the children" crowd shows up demanding censorship. There are a lot of political land mines to dodge when putting this stuff to use. So far too much of it sits idle.
From TFA:
On Thursday, the board of O-Net gave approval for residents to get access to a full gigabit (or 1,000 megabits) per second of bandwidth
I guess it was too much to expect someone posting as AC to actually click the link in the summary.
Google Panel Truck.
Then Google exactly what McVeigh used. It was a lot bigger than a panel truck.
If you have never heard of car bombs, you should start watching international news. Or remember Oklahoma city. Blowing up that car pretty much effected safety for those people inside the building.
Car bombs? You must be joking, right? Valet parking isn't going to be anywhere near the terminal. That's why you need a valet.
Why would you take a car bomb to the airport and risk getting dog-sniffed, when you could park downtown and do way more damage?
And that's different from what happens to you luggage in WHAT way ??
May I remind you that you are not allowed to use locks that are not easy to open (read. useless) on your suitcase?
Your car doesn't come with you on the plane. (I would have thought that was obvious to the most casual reader).
If the car doesn't blow up at the departure curb when the valet starts it up to move it, any chance for inflicting serious damage or terror disappears, because bowing up a couple adjacent cars in a valet lot does nothing.
So a peek into the trunk while the valet helps you unload is more than enough.
Yes, people who are parking the cars should be informed beforehand. That way they can choose to park themselves and make their own way to the terminal building if they don't want their car searched.
You've already made the case that the search is too late, why meekly offer up an opt out simply to excuse or enable the search program?
There would be no point in blowing up a car in a parking lot.
So if it didn't blow up at the departure curbside, all excuses for searching it disappear.
Even if you buy into the search is justified myth, a peek into the trunk is all that is necessary to make sure it wasn't packed with a huge stash of explosive. So any search other than a peek into the trunk is an un-reasonable search.
Any amount of C4 could be backed into areas of the car that your valet would never be able to access. So even if every nook and cranny was packed with explosive, once he drives it away to the great scratch-yard, there is no longer any point in any search.
Civil Disobedience is not Treason.
The team believes that the virus may carry the genes from a long-dead branch of the tree of life, one that possibly even started on Mars or somewhere else.
Other scientists are skeptical
No shit? That's one heck of an extraordinary claim right there. It'd be very fascinating if true, but that's going to need some strong evidence backing it. Either way, a virus of its size is still quite interesting.
Dna in the virus. Composed of the same nucleotides found in all life on earth.
So either all life on earth originated on mars (or somewhere), or these viruses originated on earth.
One case makes them simply interesting, the other makes for much better headlines and vastly more grant money.
If congress is angry its only because they are getting flooded with email complaints and have to send out the same form letter hundreds of times per day.
I got three just yesterday, from 2 senators and a congresswoman. Two of them were word for word identical, one from a Democratic senator, the other form a Democratic house member. WORD. FOR. WORD.
Nope. The real estate agent is 1 hop. They pull all his records. The daughter is 2 hops. They pull all her records. The mechanic is 3 hops. They pull all his records.
3 hops. The fact that the mechanic serviced your car will be captured, even though they never made the 4th hop to pull your records directly.
And suddenly the mechanic becomes a "suspect" and they pull his records, and the peoples cars he's worked on records and the owners of the cars records.
Rinse, repeat.
Not to mention what happens if the mechanic happened to post on Slashdot. These ACs might be on to something here...
Will Slashdot be as forthcoming as google and tell us between 1 and 1000 how many NSA letters they received in the last year?
Use your own brains -- the NSA doesn't know who its interested in in advance, so they collect as much information as possible to use in later analysis once they find out who might be connected to a person of interest.
No, what it really means is that:
The definition of a "person of interest" just got expanded to anyone 3 hops away from their original suspect.
So your meta data, but no content of mail or phone calls (snort of derision) gets indexed because you emailed the same web store from which their original suspect bought shoes. And anyone else you emailed, or called, is also a person of interest.
Tell you what,...
You go down town to central station and count how may buses go past in any 10 minute period.
The way I read your time tables you have at least 8 buses inbound and outbound in any 10 minute period just about all day long.
Try any random street corner in downtown of a big city or the bus stop at any mall.
But by your farm? Not so much.
Putting weight behind a letter seems a bit fanciful.
On the other hand, they can simply present it as a demand, and state that the alternative is each of them will publish ALL the letters delivered to ANY of them and refuse to comply.
Let the DOJ or the DOD put ALL 69 Companies in jail or shut them down. Especially when the government is dependent on most of them and the citizens are customers of all of them.
We are not talking about Borrow, where there are no rules.
We are talking about a rental.
If you wreck the car of any rental agency you will buy them a brand new one. Plus any other costs they incur while waiting for the new car to arrive. They aren't going to be renting out some random second hand car with questionable maintenance. The liability would be way too high.
Again: Read the Rental Agreement.
You agreed to that when you signed up.
Ok, lets take your way.....
Someone updated the paypal software. And it affected EXACTLY one person.
Right. Dismissed.
Seems unlikely to be a computational error.
If that were the case, after all the years PayPal has been in business an underflow would have happened a million times before.
I'm going with a gamma ray hit on memory somewhere flipping a bit on 3 cent negative balance or something.
We have yet to hear from the person who's account was debited by the same amount.
No doubt that guy is in hospital with a heart attack.