Nonsense, I was merely pointing out how if there is no such Malware, my argment holds - and I win. And if there is some Malware, because it's not detectible - why I win even more.
I guess you didn't get the message - you loose no matter what. Or perhaps you did, and choose to ignore it - but since you have tread the path of utter ignorance thusfar, I see no reason to believe you've achieved enlightenment.
The really funny thing about your other point is that I said it was a trojan, which is in fact a sub-category of Malware - but as usually you fight to keep the argument on shifting grounds so you will not be swallowed by the sands of my sheer genius.
Or clearly, you don't read my post and reply to whatever you feel like replying. I said malware existed and explained that a simple bash script is all you need to prove that. You said it didn't and provided a Google search as your evidence. I used a bash script as evidence of malware. You, mysteriously, proceeded to tell me that it wasn't a virus, though I never mentioned it as being so. You're a moron, at least that's clear.
Wow you're a moron. You're supposed to be proving the NON-existance of malware for OS/X. Not the existence of them.
That being said, no where did I say that a bash shell was a virus. I said it was malware. It's a definition that you're clearly not familiar with. Just put it on the list...
Really? The answer is zero? Wow, how exactly do you intend to prove the non-existance of something? What if I wip together a bash script that rm -rf's/? You're still clueless. You can make malware replace the kernel if you wanted to. They can go as deep as bad as you want if you're sufficiently clever. But you, obviously, are not sufficiently clever.
Sure, that's true - there's more windows malware out there than anything else. That doesn't change the fact that Unix malware has been around for ever and still exists. And OS/X is still going to be vulnerable. Try to swallow that reality. It might do you some good. But then again, it might not.
I'm afraid you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Unix malware has been around for decades. It happens. Get used to not knowing. It sounds like it's not changing.
Actually, I just looked back and you NEVER said anything about external scanning exploits. We were discussing malware, category which includes things such as TROJANS. You're clearly misinformed. Maybe you need to learn a bit more.
Sure, call me a shill, but if you took 2 minutes to check my post history, you might find otherwise. Why do you pretend like *nix is invulnerable? Are you really aware of the history of unix at ALL? There were tons of root exploits. Geez, remember the sendmail problems?
The point is, a root exploit is a root exploit. It's foolish to think that there's an operating system that's invulnerable. I don't know where your fanaticism comes from, but it's not based on fact!
Are you kidding? If you find a root exploit on OS/X it's just as damaging as taking over a windows box. You'll have lots of things waiting to take advantage of the service turned on since you're probably trying to turn it into a bot as well.
Sure, but most Apple users aren't graphic artists. Apple has home user market penetration too you know. Most mac users are probably people who bought their iMac because they liked how it came in different colors, like my friend. She's not an idiot, but she's definitely not a savvy computer user. She just likes how her Mac looks and doesn't do much but websurf and word process.
That's not really a fair comparison. The same thing could be said for any *nix. Given a piece of malware, your system will be compromised. Instead of turning a firewall off, they could turn services on. You've gotten be living in a hole or just really badly misinformed to think that there aren't still root exploits.
We use both - There's a lot of S and R and matlab and the like, but there's also a good deal of Excel. Not to worry though - most of the important machines aren't on a loop that allows connections to the outside world. You don't actually trade through Excel - it's just a tool for analyzing and visualize what's out on the market. It's usually not the tool you're using to do the _real_ math.
They wouldn't use OO.o or GNUmeric - they use Excel as they are most familiar with it and their existing infrastructure is based on it. Let's not forget that some of these modules are highly proprietary, so it's not like you can have just anyone look at them. You're not talking about a small undetaking and definitely not one that would be taken lightly. I think that the financial services industry would rather lean on Microsoft to continue support or provide them with a good upgrade path.
The risk managers probably don't consider it a serious operational risk as they would just refuse the upgrade or buy the extended support. Given the time line of the extended support contract, they'd turn to either building something new, in-house or upgrading everything to.NET.
OO.o and Gnumeric would be considered too much of an operational risk. They can't justify just paying "someone" to fix it. It wouldn't go over very well with the compliance officers and it's not considered a known quantity. It doesn't have the same usability and feature set that Excel has and they don't have the time (nor do they have the agreement of the staff) to retrain all of the traders and the researchers. It's just not realistic. Besides, the risk manager are really concerned with VAR.
Well, in financial services, at least, if Microsoft dropped VBA tomorrow, no one would upgrade for a long, long time. There's not too much risk of your clients upgrading and you not having done so because any change that drastic won't be adopted. There's a good reason why Microsoft keeps backwards compatibility for a good long while - it gives all the companies time to buy new licenses as they get new machines.
I do the same kind of work as him - trust us both, it's not that much of an exaggeration. As scary as this might sound to some of you, a large portion of the financial trading decisions are made based on the results of extremely complex Excel spreadsheets that use lots of VBA libraries. That being said, it's not like our spreadsheets would stop working - we just wouldn't upgrade to the latest office apps and it would cost us a lot to re-write things in.NET. It'll survive it, but I have sneaky suspicion that Microsoft isn't going to drop support any time soon because basically all of the major financial firms won't upgrade if Microsoft does that. That's a big chunk of money for Microsoft that I doubt they are willing to give up. The financial firms quite possibly might get upset enough to look for alternatives (although, I don't know of any good alternatives to Excel).
But that's kind of the point right? Sci-fi is a lot cheaper than your average sitcom. The actors tend to not be particularly well known (save perhaps a few shows like The X Files) so they are probably working for close to scale. It's not as though they are dumping that much capital into special effects. Yet they have a dedicate viewership.
Have you travelled outside of the USA? To the Netherlands, UK, Australia, or Switzerland (I haven't been to Japan so can't comment there)? It sounds like you haven't. There is way more equity in those nations than ours, and along with that equity comes less social anxiety and less desire to get rich quick by unethical means.
I'm glad mortgages are cheap in your area, they're not in SoCal. Oh, if you mean interest rates they haven't always been under 6% and they won't continue to be there either.
As someone who has visited those places and lived abroad, I can tell you first hand that there are a LOT less inequities in the US for non-whites than say Europe. At least in the US, you often have a way of fighting back. And don't know about your data on getting rich quick. People are trying to do that there too. Why in the world is Citibank having such a big problem in the German and Italian bond market? Those guys in the UK sure sounded like they were trying to get rich quick when they dumped eurozone bonds to destabilize the market so they could buy them back cheaper. And I don't remember Parmalat being so ethical when they filed for the largest bankruptcy Italy has every seen because they were cooking their books.
Working in the secondary mortgage market, I can tell you first hand that California mortgage rates are on par with the rest of the country. The houses are expensive but the mortgages cost the same or nearly the same. If you're not getting good rates, then you're not going to the right bank or your credit is crappy. Fannie and Freddie have no problems whatsoever buying mortgages in California and, in fact, the vast majority of their market is in California. Sure, it's unlikely that interest rates will stay that low, but they are a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to get in the US than they are in most other countries.
Depends on how the market is where you live. Where I live, the market is pretty good. So I quit my last job before I got the offer for the one I currently have. I just couldn't stand the thought of waking up and going to that office again. That being said, it wasn't just because they asked me to program in a different language. I don't think that's a particularly good reason to quit - adding a new skillset is probably a good reason to stay!
It doesn't matter if it's a better deal or not. They can still offer the deal while changing their advertising. They are using it to reap profits and it's misleading and the cost is being borne by the consumer and competitors who are losing business.
The point is that their advertising is misleading. A reasonable person will see that ad and believe that he will not be charged for keeping the movie for 60 days. However, that's not true. It's deliberately misleading. And Blockbuster is using that to reap profits from services like Netflix, the local mom 'n pop stores and others.
At my school, which was an all-boys school, the first year the new Yearbook supervisor took over, she failed to review all of our work....as a result, the middle of the yearbook had the Playmate of the Year centerfold inserted as part of the senior class photos. They tried to recall it, but the picture wasn't noticed until graduation day which was a bit too late...She decided at that point that she had to review each and every page that was sent to the printer.
Well, if you're using your employer's phone, you still have a right to privacy in your conversation. They cannot listen into your conversation...by law.
IANAL, but I know this statement is not always true. Call Center employees are often monitored by their employers. You hear it when you call them - "This call may be monitored to ensure quality of service." In addition, in financial services, we explicitly know that our conversations are in fact monitored by SEC regulation.
There's still a crime problem of course. High end cars tend to be victims of the "roll a truck up and roll the car in" sort of theft. They are usually worth more in parts anyway...
My comment was made with regards to this statement: Bill Gates is worth so much because he defrauded his stockholders in not paying proper returns on investment early on.
Reading is fundamental. Try it sometime. The dividends are not artificially late. They were never promised. The early investors got proper returns on their investment via the 600 fold gain in the stock's price which was even more amplified by their pre-IPO strike price. Dividends payments were never registered with the SEC, so why would the investors expect that? I doubt that they are crying themselves to sleep in their golden sheets at night.
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Nonsense, I was merely pointing out how if there is no such Malware, my argment holds - and I win. And if there is some Malware, because it's not detectible - why I win even more. I guess you didn't get the message - you loose no matter what. Or perhaps you did, and choose to ignore it - but since you have tread the path of utter ignorance thusfar, I see no reason to believe you've achieved enlightenment. The really funny thing about your other point is that I said it was a trojan, which is in fact a sub-category of Malware - but as usually you fight to keep the argument on shifting grounds so you will not be swallowed by the sands of my sheer genius.
Or clearly, you don't read my post and reply to whatever you feel like replying. I said malware existed and explained that a simple bash script is all you need to prove that. You said it didn't and provided a Google search as your evidence. I used a bash script as evidence of malware. You, mysteriously, proceeded to tell me that it wasn't a virus, though I never mentioned it as being so. You're a moron, at least that's clear.
Wow you're a moron. You're supposed to be proving the NON-existance of malware for OS/X. Not the existence of them.
That being said, no where did I say that a bash shell was a virus. I said it was malware. It's a definition that you're clearly not familiar with. Just put it on the list...
Really? The answer is zero? Wow, how exactly do you intend to prove the non-existance of something? What if I wip together a bash script that rm -rf's /? You're still clueless. You can make malware replace the kernel if you wanted to. They can go as deep as bad as you want if you're sufficiently clever. But you, obviously, are not sufficiently clever.
Sure, that's true - there's more windows malware out there than anything else. That doesn't change the fact that Unix malware has been around for ever and still exists. And OS/X is still going to be vulnerable. Try to swallow that reality. It might do you some good. But then again, it might not.
I'm afraid you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Unix malware has been around for decades. It happens. Get used to not knowing. It sounds like it's not changing.
Actually, I just looked back and you NEVER said anything about external scanning exploits. We were discussing malware, category which includes things such as TROJANS. You're clearly misinformed. Maybe you need to learn a bit more.
Sure, call me a shill, but if you took 2 minutes to check my post history, you might find otherwise. Why do you pretend like *nix is invulnerable? Are you really aware of the history of unix at ALL? There were tons of root exploits. Geez, remember the sendmail problems?
The point is, a root exploit is a root exploit. It's foolish to think that there's an operating system that's invulnerable. I don't know where your fanaticism comes from, but it's not based on fact!
Are you kidding? If you find a root exploit on OS/X it's just as damaging as taking over a windows box. You'll have lots of things waiting to take advantage of the service turned on since you're probably trying to turn it into a bot as well.
Oh, I'm not - but it doesn't mean that Mac users are savvy either. It seems to be some sort of baseline assumption which is far from accurate as well.
Sure, but most Apple users aren't graphic artists. Apple has home user market penetration too you know. Most mac users are probably people who bought their iMac because they liked how it came in different colors, like my friend. She's not an idiot, but she's definitely not a savvy computer user. She just likes how her Mac looks and doesn't do much but websurf and word process.
That's not really a fair comparison. The same thing could be said for any *nix. Given a piece of malware, your system will be compromised. Instead of turning a firewall off, they could turn services on. You've gotten be living in a hole or just really badly misinformed to think that there aren't still root exploits.
We use both - There's a lot of S and R and matlab and the like, but there's also a good deal of Excel. Not to worry though - most of the important machines aren't on a loop that allows connections to the outside world. You don't actually trade through Excel - it's just a tool for analyzing and visualize what's out on the market. It's usually not the tool you're using to do the _real_ math.
They wouldn't use OO.o or GNUmeric - they use Excel as they are most familiar with it and their existing infrastructure is based on it. Let's not forget that some of these modules are highly proprietary, so it's not like you can have just anyone look at them. You're not talking about a small undetaking and definitely not one that would be taken lightly. I think that the financial services industry would rather lean on Microsoft to continue support or provide them with a good upgrade path.
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The risk managers probably don't consider it a serious operational risk as they would just refuse the upgrade or buy the extended support. Given the time line of the extended support contract, they'd turn to either building something new, in-house or upgrading everything to
OO.o and Gnumeric would be considered too much of an operational risk. They can't justify just paying "someone" to fix it. It wouldn't go over very well with the compliance officers and it's not considered a known quantity. It doesn't have the same usability and feature set that Excel has and they don't have the time (nor do they have the agreement of the staff) to retrain all of the traders and the researchers. It's just not realistic. Besides, the risk manager are really concerned with VAR.
Well, in financial services, at least, if Microsoft dropped VBA tomorrow, no one would upgrade for a long, long time. There's not too much risk of your clients upgrading and you not having done so because any change that drastic won't be adopted. There's a good reason why Microsoft keeps backwards compatibility for a good long while - it gives all the companies time to buy new licenses as they get new machines.
I do the same kind of work as him - trust us both, it's not that much of an exaggeration. As scary as this might sound to some of you, a large portion of the financial trading decisions are made based on the results of extremely complex Excel spreadsheets that use lots of VBA libraries. That being said, it's not like our spreadsheets would stop working - we just wouldn't upgrade to the latest office apps and it would cost us a lot to re-write things in .NET. It'll survive it, but I have sneaky suspicion that Microsoft isn't going to drop support any time soon because basically all of the major financial firms won't upgrade if Microsoft does that. That's a big chunk of money for Microsoft that I doubt they are willing to give up. The financial firms quite possibly might get upset enough to look for alternatives (although, I don't know of any good alternatives to Excel).
But that's kind of the point right? Sci-fi is a lot cheaper than your average sitcom. The actors tend to not be particularly well known (save perhaps a few shows like The X Files) so they are probably working for close to scale. It's not as though they are dumping that much capital into special effects. Yet they have a dedicate viewership.
Have you travelled outside of the USA? To the Netherlands, UK, Australia, or Switzerland (I haven't been to Japan so can't comment there)? It sounds like you haven't. There is way more equity in those nations than ours, and along with that equity comes less social anxiety and less desire to get rich quick by unethical means. I'm glad mortgages are cheap in your area, they're not in SoCal. Oh, if you mean interest rates they haven't always been under 6% and they won't continue to be there either.
As someone who has visited those places and lived abroad, I can tell you first hand that there are a LOT less inequities in the US for non-whites than say Europe. At least in the US, you often have a way of fighting back.
And don't know about your data on getting rich quick. People are trying to do that there too. Why in the world is Citibank having such a big problem in the German and Italian bond market? Those guys in the UK sure sounded like they were trying to get rich quick when they dumped eurozone bonds to destabilize the market so they could buy them back cheaper. And I don't remember Parmalat being so ethical when they filed for the largest bankruptcy Italy has every seen because they were cooking their books.
Working in the secondary mortgage market, I can tell you first hand that California mortgage rates are on par with the rest of the country. The houses are expensive but the mortgages cost the same or nearly the same. If you're not getting good rates, then you're not going to the right bank or your credit is crappy. Fannie and Freddie have no problems whatsoever buying mortgages in California and, in fact, the vast majority of their market is in California. Sure, it's unlikely that interest rates will stay that low, but they are a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to get in the US than they are in most other countries.
Depends on how the market is where you live. Where I live, the market is pretty good. So I quit my last job before I got the offer for the one I currently have. I just couldn't stand the thought of waking up and going to that office again. That being said, it wasn't just because they asked me to program in a different language. I don't think that's a particularly good reason to quit - adding a new skillset is probably a good reason to stay!
It doesn't matter if it's a better deal or not. They can still offer the deal while changing their advertising. They are using it to reap profits and it's misleading and the cost is being borne by the consumer and competitors who are losing business.
The point is that their advertising is misleading. A reasonable person will see that ad and believe that he will not be charged for keeping the movie for 60 days. However, that's not true. It's deliberately misleading. And Blockbuster is using that to reap profits from services like Netflix, the local mom 'n pop stores and others.
At my school, which was an all-boys school, the first year the new Yearbook supervisor took over, she failed to review all of our work....as a result, the middle of the yearbook had the Playmate of the Year centerfold inserted as part of the senior class photos. They tried to recall it, but the picture wasn't noticed until graduation day which was a bit too late...She decided at that point that she had to review each and every page that was sent to the printer.
Well, if you're using your employer's phone, you still have a right to privacy in your conversation. They cannot listen into your conversation...by law.
IANAL, but I know this statement is not always true. Call Center employees are often monitored by their employers. You hear it when you call them - "This call may be monitored to ensure quality of service." In addition, in financial services, we explicitly know that our conversations are in fact monitored by SEC regulation.
There's still a crime problem of course. High end cars tend to be victims of the "roll a truck up and roll the car in" sort of theft. They are usually worth more in parts anyway...
The way you eat? or is it your face? :)
My comment was made with regards to this statement:
Bill Gates is worth so much because he defrauded his stockholders in not paying proper returns on investment early on.
Reading is fundamental. Try it sometime. The dividends are not artificially late. They were never promised. The early investors got proper returns on their investment via the 600 fold gain in the stock's price which was even more amplified by their pre-IPO strike price. Dividends payments were never registered with the SEC, so why would the investors expect that? I doubt that they are crying themselves to sleep in their golden sheets at night.