why are you so angry that Starbucks makes a profit?
I'm not angry they make a profit. I think that's great. What I'm angry with is that the contributions of their employees are belittled as unskilled and worth very little. If the business can generate $400 million a quarter in net revenue there is no reason to believe that the people who earn the company that money shouldn't share in the success by earning a LIVING WAGE. Part-time, half-assed bullshit $8 an hour jobs are not a living wage.
But judging from these posts of yours, you feel you are somehow entitled to live great no matter what choices you make in life. What a great attitude.
I'm entitled to a living wage if my work earns my employer a fuckload of money. Period.
It's very convenient (and profitable) for an employer to arbitrarily declare my experience, education and skills worthless. I was gainfully employed every single day from the time I was old enough to work until three years ago. Now, I couldn't buy a job with a coupon.
They make $400 million a quarter, and they pay $8 an hour, part-time, shit benefits, shit hours, shit advancement, shit opportunity. But that's ok, right?
When did companies start thinking that because you are on salery you are at work 24 hours a day, and any ideas you have are their IP?
When it became nearly impossible to find a job that paid more than a poverty wage, and tens of millions of people were left to support full-time rent, food car, etc. with part-time or temp jobs.
It's worth 423 MILLION a quarter, almost 2 BILLION a year. Is it worth it? I don't know. Should Starbucks sales be worth nine figures quarterly? It's JUST FUCKING COFFEE RIGHT??
The smart employees will be using their job at starbucks to subsidize living costs while they are in college so that they can get a better job later on.
Where? How about Starbucks corporate office? Oh wait, out of 71,000 employees, only 11,000 get to have "better jobs." Everyone else is fucked. Oh, well. Back to the fake want ads.
Tinkering with this agreement could put you in a bad light with the new bosses.
Oh no! Not thaaaaat! Not a "bad light with the new bosses!" Whatever shall we doooooooo?!?!?!? I wouldn't let them take a giant shit all over me! Now they don't like me. I should have let them own the copyright on my grocery lists so I can work in a gloomy gray cubicle all day until everyone is laid off!
I know! Maybe if I crawl on the floor and eat shit, give up every last shred of dignity and beg cry and wail and sign anything they want, they'll hire me. Wouldn't that be great?
would have left later for pursuing breach of contract claims against you at a later time.
then they're either going to go on to the next candidate
Yet, if they were making an agreement with another company, they would expect legal representation. Funny how when employees try to avail themselves of reasonable business practices, the company throws them out, isn't it?
I have been asked to sign an agreement that states in part that I am to disclose to the company anything that I create wether or not during company time, and wether or not it relates to the company.
LOL
I also must agree that these same creations or inventions become the sole property of the company.
Unenforceable, especially if you're in California. (IANAL) Get an IP attorney.
What success or failure have other Slashdot readers had when dealing with wide reaching employment agreements such as this?
Well, my response was "Hey boss, take your agreement and park it, up left and sideways."
Really. So now we have statistics that tell us what people need?
are looking for permanent full-time jobs.
No. The number measures temporary, self-employed and part-time workers too. I'll give them self-employed, because at least those people have some chance of a living wage.
But the fact that we had ONE HUNDRED MILLION unemployed, part-time, temporary, self-employed or "didn't want a job" people in the middle of the greatest economic expansion in decades is incredible. That those people outnumbered permanent full-time employees is even more incredible.
We only care about those are are actually SEEKING employment.
Well, you know what they say about statistics. Nice way to ignore 45% of the population.
Saying that there "aint no more good jobs" just further solidifies the evidence that you are completely ignorant of economies, economic growth, and the labor market.
Oh, I'm perfectly aware of the economy. I get a full briefing every 1st of the month. There are no more good jobs. There just aren't. The fact remains, by the way. Only 1/2 of eligible workers have permanent full-time jobs.
I wonder what that number was 50 years ago? I know for a fact that my in parents' generation, the average time worked at a single job was 27-34 years.
Currently, I know precisely one person who has been employed full-time for more than two years.
Combined unemployed, self-employed, temprorary and part-time workers: approx. 40M or 18.9% of eligible workers.
Not in the work force, approximately 60M or 33% of eligible workers.
Total: 51.9%
Which means fewer than 50% of working-age adults were holding down full-time, permanent jobs. And this was in 1997, when the economy was doing rather well, if I recall.
Starbucks had net revenues (1999) of $423 million QUARTERLY. Just a coffee shop, though, nothing to see here.
By the way, they employ 71,000 people, SIXTY THOUSAND OF WHOM are part-time. Even if they make $24,000 a year (which they don't), it is still a shit wage. Try qualifying for a mortgage on $24,000 a year.
So what? People used to earn a full-time living running bakeries, cafes, newsstands, small hardware stores. Do you have any idea how much money the average Starbucks makes in a week?
You work there while you're young and if you want advancement opportunities, you look for another job outside the coffee shop arena.
Like where? Do you realize that one HALF of the working population is now either:
1) Employed part-time
2) A temp
3) Unemployed
4) Out of the work force completely (gave up trying to find a job)
ONE HALF. So where do we go to find the "good jobs" again? There AIN'T NO MORE GOOD JOBS.
Starbucks pay and benefits are actually better than any other coffee shops out there.
Whew. Makes you want to drop to one knee and weep openly.
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Return of the Jedi is actually pretty good once Lucas purged the "Yub Yub" song.
They needed it for Phantom Menace.
In this case it leads to the conclusion that you have very little power.
A fact which the company will be very happy to take full advantage of.
If you want more power, you will have to differentiate yourself in a way that will cause the company to perceive greater advantage in employing you.
Four words: "Thanks for the coffee."
why are you so angry that Starbucks makes a profit?
I'm not angry they make a profit. I think that's great. What I'm angry with is that the contributions of their employees are belittled as unskilled and worth very little. If the business can generate $400 million a quarter in net revenue there is no reason to believe that the people who earn the company that money shouldn't share in the success by earning a LIVING WAGE. Part-time, half-assed bullshit $8 an hour jobs are not a living wage.
But judging from these posts of yours, you feel you are somehow entitled to live great no matter what choices you make in life. What a great attitude.
I'm entitled to a living wage if my work earns my employer a fuckload of money. Period.
It's very convenient (and profitable) for an employer to arbitrarily declare my experience, education and skills worthless. I was gainfully employed every single day from the time I was old enough to work until three years ago. Now, I couldn't buy a job with a coupon.
They make $400 million a quarter, and they pay $8 an hour, part-time, shit benefits, shit hours, shit advancement, shit opportunity. But that's ok, right?
When did companies start thinking that because you are on salery you are at work 24 hours a day, and any ideas you have are their IP?
When it became nearly impossible to find a job that paid more than a poverty wage, and tens of millions of people were left to support full-time rent, food car, etc. with part-time or temp jobs.
And that is why, my friend, you are still unemployed and living at home with mama.
So the only two choices are: eat shit or unemployed? Sorry. There's more to the economy than shit-shoveling cubicle jobs.
is that worth 40k a year?
It's worth 423 MILLION a quarter, almost 2 BILLION a year. Is it worth it? I don't know. Should Starbucks sales be worth nine figures quarterly? It's JUST FUCKING COFFEE RIGHT??
The smart employees will be using their job at starbucks to subsidize living costs while they are in college so that they can get a better job later on.
Where? How about Starbucks corporate office? Oh wait, out of 71,000 employees, only 11,000 get to have "better jobs." Everyone else is fucked. Oh, well. Back to the fake want ads.
Yes, and these statistics tell us that only 5.7% of the people that need a job don't have one.
Until their unemployment runs out. Then it doesn't tell us anything.
the no invention clause sucks, but that's the norm at this point in time. Not a chance. I wouldn't take such a job if they paid by the minute.
Tinkering with this agreement could put you in a bad light with the new bosses.
Oh no! Not thaaaaat! Not a "bad light with the new bosses!" Whatever shall we doooooooo?!?!?!? I wouldn't let them take a giant shit all over me! Now they don't like me. I should have let them own the copyright on my grocery lists so I can work in a gloomy gray cubicle all day until everyone is laid off!
I know! Maybe if I crawl on the floor and eat shit, give up every last shred of dignity and beg cry and wail and sign anything they want, they'll hire me. Wouldn't that be great?
would have left later for pursuing breach of contract claims against you at a later time.
LOL
fire him on the spot
How would signing the NDA make any difference?
I have been unemployed for months, perhaps I should take the job and swallow my pride
It's a biiiiig shit sandwich and we ALL GOTTA TAKE A BITE!!
then they're either going to go on to the next candidate
Yet, if they were making an agreement with another company, they would expect legal representation. Funny how when employees try to avail themselves of reasonable business practices, the company throws them out, isn't it?
I have been asked to sign an agreement that states in part that I am to disclose to the company anything that I create wether or not during company time, and wether or not it relates to the company.
LOL
I also must agree that these same creations or inventions become the sole property of the company.
Unenforceable, especially if you're in California. (IANAL) Get an IP attorney.
What success or failure have other Slashdot readers had when dealing with wide reaching employment agreements such as this?
Well, my response was "Hey boss, take your agreement and park it, up left and sideways."
Now is the time to have numerous small companies.
Fine. Where do I get the capital? The bank? Please. What if I don't have any assets? Where do I go? What do I do?
It's not that simple.
By the way, I agree that starting a business is a good idea, but it is a massive MASSIVE amount of work.
Things change. Learn to deal with it.
"You can't earn a living. Learn to deal with it."
"Your education is meaningless. Learn to deal with it."
"You don't qualify for a mortgage. Learn to deal with it."
"You can't afford food. Learn to deal with it."
"You don't get benefits. Learn to deal with it."
"Your experience and knowledge are useless. Learn to deal with it."
"We're laying off everyone in the department. Learn to deal with it."
"Even if your kids go to college, nobody will care if they graduate. Learn to deal with it."
"Your kids will never own a home of their own. Learn to deal with it."
"There are no opportunities for advancement here. Learn to deal with it."
Sound familiar?
the fact is that only half need
Really. So now we have statistics that tell us what people need?
are looking for permanent full-time jobs.
No. The number measures temporary, self-employed and part-time workers too. I'll give them self-employed, because at least those people have some chance of a living wage.
But the fact that we had ONE HUNDRED MILLION unemployed, part-time, temporary, self-employed or "didn't want a job" people in the middle of the greatest economic expansion in decades is incredible. That those people outnumbered permanent full-time employees is even more incredible.
The numbers you are quoting HAVE NO MEANING.
Fine, then ignore it.
employment of the working age population.
Except the people who can't find a job.
We only care about those are are actually SEEKING employment.
Well, you know what they say about statistics. Nice way to ignore 45% of the population.
Saying that there "aint no more good jobs" just further solidifies the evidence that you are completely ignorant of economies, economic growth, and the labor market.
Oh, I'm perfectly aware of the economy. I get a full briefing every 1st of the month. There are no more good jobs. There just aren't. The fact remains, by the way. Only 1/2 of eligible workers have permanent full-time jobs.
I wonder what that number was 50 years ago? I know for a fact that my in parents' generation, the average time worked at a single job was 27-34 years.
Currently, I know precisely one person who has been employed full-time for more than two years.
One person.
By the way, this earth shattering number of 50% is because traditionally, only 1 parent in the family has worked to support the family.
Yeah, 40 years ago.
The fact remains. Only half have permanent full-time jobs.
House? Car? Family? Insurance? Retirement? College Funds? Vacations?
Or rather, food, rent, no money left and "I'll get a real good job soon."
Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1997
Working-age adults:
Combined unemployed, self-employed, temprorary and part-time workers: approx. 40M or 18.9% of eligible workers.
Not in the work force, approximately 60M or 33% of eligible workers.
Total: 51.9%
Which means fewer than 50% of working-age adults were holding down full-time, permanent jobs. And this was in 1997, when the economy was doing rather well, if I recall.
It's a coffee shop for Pete's sake !
Starbucks had net revenues (1999) of $423 million QUARTERLY. Just a coffee shop, though, nothing to see here.
By the way, they employ 71,000 people, SIXTY THOUSAND OF WHOM are part-time. Even if they make $24,000 a year (which they don't), it is still a shit wage. Try qualifying for a mortgage on $24,000 a year.
It's a coffee shop for Pete's sake !
So what? People used to earn a full-time living running bakeries, cafes, newsstands, small hardware stores. Do you have any idea how much money the average Starbucks makes in a week?
You work there while you're young and if you want advancement opportunities, you look for another job outside the coffee shop arena.
Like where? Do you realize that one HALF of the working population is now either:
1) Employed part-time
2) A temp
3) Unemployed
4) Out of the work force completely (gave up trying to find a job)
ONE HALF. So where do we go to find the "good jobs" again? There AIN'T NO MORE GOOD JOBS.
Starbucks pay and benefits are actually better than any other coffee shops out there.
Whew. Makes you want to drop to one knee and weep openly.
an unusually good company to its employees.
Except that they pay shit.
I'll gladly get up and move there if it means a steady job doing something I love, for a decent rate.
No such thing, at least not in the "corporate culture."
Sure it is, you're just used to a high standard of living...
Like food, a roof, shoes...
$11k is and will remain a poverty wage.
it must be helpful to Indians.
Must it? Do you actually think that corporations are paying good wages for this work? Say, 10% less than what they were paying before?