The problem is that the older generations still have the Protestant work ethic.
Which says what, that the benefits of labor should be hoarded? That's not the Protestant work ethic. Those communities value charity in at least as much esteem as their work ethic, if not more.
Isn't it interesting how the first response to anyone who is truly devoted to something other than getting drunk or watching Celebrity Idol Millionaire is "they must be wasting their time" or they need "a life?"
Does this not perfectly describe the difference between "producer" and "consumer?"
Would that we, as a society, could find a way to encourage people to value productive, thinking time. Such people produce literature, invention and wisdom.
What is it about space travel that causes everyone to suddenly become obsessed with cost?
The average new car costs about $18,000 now, and people gladly race to the lot to sign up for five years of payments after which they don't even own it.
But if anything leaves the atmosphere, suddenly we all put on our green hats and start wheezing about "return on investment."
Also be sure to tell them how smart they are and how wonderful it is to be in the presence of such greatness. Comment on the price of their suit. Offer to wash their car.
Don't fall to your knees and sob as you beg for your job, however. It's undignified. Well, it's rhetorically undignified, since employees have no dignity any more.
By the way, no matter what the idea, how well thought out it is, how many tall dollars it brings in or how much supporting documentation there is, it will be turned down. Period.
This is advice from an experienced corporate drone.
Spirited Away, however, it appears that Disney was literally trying to sabotage, out of fear it would overshadow Lilo and Stitch (also released that summer).
I tend to agree that the 2D-->Bomb, 3D-->Success thinking is grossly oversimplistic
and that qualifies it as a "management trend" meaning the five foot wide asses will immediately sign off on it so they can all go out for salad shakers and celebrate.
Yes, there was. The lesson was to let writers write and let animators animate, and get the fucking fat ass middle management bean-salad eating fucks out of the fucking way.
the sequel was not only a badly-done set-up for the TV series, but demanded that the series follow a very specific formula, which has made the series pretty dire.
The problem as you described is probably because the 'new ideas' are outside the envelope of the company.
Exactly.
You might think that middle management is useless, but the beancounters
...who are also middle managers...
would get rid of them if they could -- so they're probably doing SOMEthing
Yeah, they're holding the flood door closed with one hand and stuffing their pockets with the other. Then they deftly time a leap into a lifeboat before the water crashes through the door and washes the company into Chapter 13.
even if it's just making sure that the company's capital isn't frittered away on frivolous experiments that may or may not work.
If they are that risk-averse they should invest in bonds.
If the rate of innovation is really that stifled, then your brilliant ideas will get lapped up by a market starved for new and interesting solutions. The market has the final say, after all.
That statement assumes the market has some influence over huge fat-assed bureaucratic cubicle farms. The market buys what is put on the shelves. The middle managers decide what goes on the shelves.
If you have a good idea, start a company.
Sounds great.
Attract investors,
...middle managers...
organise capital
There is no capital. The average "I've got a great idea" entrepreneur has about as much chance of obtaining capital as they do of pulling a Faberge egg out of their ass.
But don't complain about the two-month stints you do. After all, it's your life, YOU get to choose what you do with it.
No, that's the whole point. Managers decide how long a job lasts, not employees. I spent more time interviewing for some jobs than I did working there. In those interviews, I was lied to repeatedly, cheated, lied to again, and again, and again and then laid off with four dozen other people. And then I was cheated a couple more times on the way to the job boards so I could start the whole process over again, applying for jobs so I can work for another lying cheat fuck manager.
So yeah, I'm going to complain about the two-month "jobs" offered by cheats. It isn't right, and it isn't fair.
I've never understood how so many people (who I'll credit with probably being otherwise intelligent) can think like this.
Maybe they're right.
Why does the parent poster assume that EVERY workplace is like *his* workplace?
Because since myself and most of my colleagues' average job lasts about two months, we have had an extraordinary opportunity to sample the abject stupidity among management at numerous large companies.
Maybe you need to GET A NEW JOB! Try shopping around for an employer. If you haven't got the skills or experience needed to have the opportunity to comparison shop, then start making a point of getting them.
"Get new skills" What a sham. I might if I didn't know for a fact that "new skills" are the HR equivalent of three playing cards and a milk crate.
FYI, I have worked at companies that are exactly as you described.
Good, so we can stop arguing about whether or not the problem exists and start discussing how to solve it before the "progress" of the 20th century becomes the wasted opportunity of the 21st.
Also, did you ever consider the possiblity that they didn't listen to your idea because it was lame?
Yeah, but the reality is that all ideas are "lame" because middle-management are anti-progress, anti-idea and anti-success, along with being lying cheat pussies.
because your ignorance has apparantly made you very bitter.
Nah. I might have been bitter at one point, but I then concluded that the workplace can be neatly divided into two groups: the fucked-over and the apologists. All discussions of this topic, as crucially important as it may be, always become arguments about specific examples and half-assed reasoning.
Meanwhile, people keep losing their careers, houses, retirements, savings, credit, education, etc. at a fantastic rate. There are ten MILLION people unemployed right now, despite the fact that the recession ended almost a year ago, and the stock market is up dramatically and steadily over three quarters.
People can be fired for any reason at any time, yet they are still expected to take out 30-year mortgages and five-year car loans.
And to try and keep this discussion on topic, at this rate, there will never EVER be another significant manned space program.
Could inexpensive cruises to the moon happen within our lifetimes?"
No.
See, here's the problem:
Nothing is permitted any more without a "business case" being made for it. No document, no invention, no idea, no presentation is countenanced unless it has 20% annual growth and the accountants and the management committee sign off on it.
Since it is impossible to get a bureaucracy to sign off on anything, nothing is permitted at all.
Small businesses and entrepreneurs are starved for capital. Large businesses and management committees have substantial capital, but refuse to invest it. Therefore, there is no capital; or, if there is, it is usually totally inadequate.
Middle management has a perfect series of questions for ideas like this. There is nothing in the world easier than criticizing an idea. Questions like "what do we need that for?" and "yeah, but how do you know it will work?" or "how can you be sure that will sell?" These questions are asked as if an answer is expected. The questions are followed by the comments: "It'll never work," and "sounds expensive" and "why can't we just use $OTHER_IDEA?"
But no answer is expected. The people asking the questions simply want to see how well the "idea person" can ad lib and how many bullshit one-liners and jokes they can reply with. After the middle managers have been entertained, a cocktail party laugh will circle the room, and the idea person will be escorted out of the building and into obscurity as the five-foot-wide-asses return to their bean salads.
As long as this continues, the rate of invention and "innovation" will be reduced to unmeasurably small levels. No vision, idea or invention can surmount well-funded cynicism. Brilliant, well-educated people's minds are being wasted because they report to lying, cheat fuck, greed-driven managers.
Middle management routinely turns its back on paying customers and competition-less markets. How the fuck are they ever going to accept a new "unproven" idea?
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The problem is that the older generations still have the Protestant work ethic.
Which says what, that the benefits of labor should be hoarded? That's not the Protestant work ethic. Those communities value charity in at least as much esteem as their work ethic, if not more.
It is already taxed:
1) Sales tax
2) Capital gains tax
3) Corporate income tax
4) Tax on dividends (until recently)
The last thing we need is more taxes.
You voluntarily gave your contact information to establish a beneficial business relationship with your store
No, the store FORCES you to hand over your personal information so you can afford FOOD.
FUCK that shit. FUCK THAT SHIT
Up to SIXTY percent on numerous items.
Isn't it interesting how the first response to anyone who is truly devoted to something other than getting drunk or watching Celebrity Idol Millionaire is "they must be wasting their time" or they need "a life?"
Does this not perfectly describe the difference between "producer" and "consumer?"
Would that we, as a society, could find a way to encourage people to value productive, thinking time. Such people produce literature, invention and wisdom.
Better turn down the power on Spirit's drive wheels.
What is it about space travel that causes everyone to suddenly become obsessed with cost?
The average new car costs about $18,000 now, and people gladly race to the lot to sign up for five years of payments after which they don't even own it.
But if anything leaves the atmosphere, suddenly we all put on our green hats and start wheezing about "return on investment."
Also be sure to tell them how smart they are and how wonderful it is to be in the presence of such greatness. Comment on the price of their suit. Offer to wash their car.
Don't fall to your knees and sob as you beg for your job, however. It's undignified. Well, it's rhetorically undignified, since employees have no dignity any more.
By the way, no matter what the idea, how well thought out it is, how many tall dollars it brings in or how much supporting documentation there is, it will be turned down. Period.
This is advice from an experienced corporate drone.
Would anyone recognize them?
"No, you want room 12-A just down the hall"
lol
"Is this the right room for an argument?"
it will cost one trillion dollars
We spend $300 billion a year on interest payments.
We have spent more than $5 trillion since 1970 on societal programs.
We spend over $400 billion a year on Social Security and over $200 billion a year on Medicare.
Yet, whenever the space program is mentioned, suddenly everyone starts carping about the cost.
We're talking about _American_ animation.
No such thing, unless you mean Pixar.
And from that view of the world, it's easy to see why 2D animation is out the door. It's not a money-maker today.
Been to a Suncoast lately? Best Buy? Anime made almost four billion dollars last year. Is that enough money?
Spirited Away, however, it appears that Disney was literally trying to sabotage, out of fear it would overshadow Lilo and Stitch (also released that summer).
And Spirited Away still won the Super Bowl.
I tend to agree that the 2D-->Bomb, 3D-->Success thinking is grossly oversimplistic
and that qualifies it as a "management trend" meaning the five foot wide asses will immediately sign off on it so they can all go out for salad shakers and celebrate.
There was no lesson to be learned.
Yes, there was. The lesson was to let writers write and let animators animate, and get the fucking fat ass middle management bean-salad eating fucks out of the fucking way.
the sequel was not only a badly-done set-up for the TV series, but demanded that the series follow a very specific formula, which has made the series pretty dire.
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The shareholders don't want them taking risks with their money.
Then the shareholders should invest in municipal bonds. Business is risky. Get over it.
The people who own the company have no interest in it other than as a cash cow
That's the real problem. The "concerns of the shareholders" are a straw man.
Add OAVs to your request and I can list billions of dollars worth of revenue from various anime series.
Well, we've been throwing billions at them so far.
$5 trillion since 1970.
The problem as you described is probably because the 'new ideas' are outside the envelope of the company.
...who are also middle managers...
...middle managers...
Exactly.
You might think that middle management is useless, but the beancounters
would get rid of them if they could -- so they're probably doing SOMEthing
Yeah, they're holding the flood door closed with one hand and stuffing their pockets with the other. Then they deftly time a leap into a lifeboat before the water crashes through the door and washes the company into Chapter 13.
even if it's just making sure that the company's capital isn't frittered away on frivolous experiments that may or may not work.
If they are that risk-averse they should invest in bonds.
If the rate of innovation is really that stifled, then your brilliant ideas will get lapped up by a market starved for new and interesting solutions. The market has the final say, after all.
That statement assumes the market has some influence over huge fat-assed bureaucratic cubicle farms. The market buys what is put on the shelves. The middle managers decide what goes on the shelves.
If you have a good idea, start a company.
Sounds great.
Attract investors,
organise capital
There is no capital. The average "I've got a great idea" entrepreneur has about as much chance of obtaining capital as they do of pulling a Faberge egg out of their ass.
But don't complain about the two-month stints you do. After all, it's your life, YOU get to choose what you do with it.
No, that's the whole point. Managers decide how long a job lasts, not employees. I spent more time interviewing for some jobs than I did working there. In those interviews, I was lied to repeatedly, cheated, lied to again, and again, and again and then laid off with four dozen other people. And then I was cheated a couple more times on the way to the job boards so I could start the whole process over again, applying for jobs so I can work for another lying cheat fuck manager.
So yeah, I'm going to complain about the two-month "jobs" offered by cheats. It isn't right, and it isn't fair.
LOL
That's rich. The average manager wouldn't know thermodynamics if it jumped out of his ass on to his desk and did the tap number from 42nd street.
I've never understood how so many people (who I'll credit with probably being otherwise intelligent) can think like this.
Maybe they're right.
Why does the parent poster assume that EVERY workplace is like *his* workplace?
Because since myself and most of my colleagues' average job lasts about two months, we have had an extraordinary opportunity to sample the abject stupidity among management at numerous large companies.
Maybe you need to GET A NEW JOB! Try shopping around for an employer. If you haven't got the skills or experience needed to have the opportunity to comparison shop, then start making a point of getting them.
"Get new skills" What a sham. I might if I didn't know for a fact that "new skills" are the HR equivalent of three playing cards and a milk crate.
FYI, I have worked at companies that are exactly as you described.
Good, so we can stop arguing about whether or not the problem exists and start discussing how to solve it before the "progress" of the 20th century becomes the wasted opportunity of the 21st.
Also, did you ever consider the possiblity that they didn't listen to your idea because it was lame?
Yeah, but the reality is that all ideas are "lame" because middle-management are anti-progress, anti-idea and anti-success, along with being lying cheat pussies.
because your ignorance has apparantly made you very bitter.
Nah. I might have been bitter at one point, but I then concluded that the workplace can be neatly divided into two groups: the fucked-over and the apologists. All discussions of this topic, as crucially important as it may be, always become arguments about specific examples and half-assed reasoning.
Meanwhile, people keep losing their careers, houses, retirements, savings, credit, education, etc. at a fantastic rate. There are ten MILLION people unemployed right now, despite the fact that the recession ended almost a year ago, and the stock market is up dramatically and steadily over three quarters.
People can be fired for any reason at any time, yet they are still expected to take out 30-year mortgages and five-year car loans.
And to try and keep this discussion on topic, at this rate, there will never EVER be another significant manned space program.
Yet we'll all keep arguing over minutae.
Could inexpensive cruises to the moon happen within our lifetimes?"
No.
See, here's the problem:
Nothing is permitted any more without a "business case" being made for it. No document, no invention, no idea, no presentation is countenanced unless it has 20% annual growth and the accountants and the management committee sign off on it.
Since it is impossible to get a bureaucracy to sign off on anything, nothing is permitted at all.
Small businesses and entrepreneurs are starved for capital. Large businesses and management committees have substantial capital, but refuse to invest it. Therefore, there is no capital; or, if there is, it is usually totally inadequate.
Middle management has a perfect series of questions for ideas like this. There is nothing in the world easier than criticizing an idea. Questions like "what do we need that for?" and "yeah, but how do you know it will work?" or "how can you be sure that will sell?" These questions are asked as if an answer is expected. The questions are followed by the comments: "It'll never work," and "sounds expensive" and "why can't we just use $OTHER_IDEA?"
But no answer is expected. The people asking the questions simply want to see how well the "idea person" can ad lib and how many bullshit one-liners and jokes they can reply with. After the middle managers have been entertained, a cocktail party laugh will circle the room, and the idea person will be escorted out of the building and into obscurity as the five-foot-wide-asses return to their bean salads.
As long as this continues, the rate of invention and "innovation" will be reduced to unmeasurably small levels. No vision, idea or invention can surmount well-funded cynicism. Brilliant, well-educated people's minds are being wasted because they report to lying, cheat fuck, greed-driven managers.
Middle management routinely turns its back on paying customers and competition-less markets. How the fuck are they ever going to accept a new "unproven" idea?
They won't.
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