There's plenty of websites where you can read and write Russian propaganda if that's what floats your boat.
Im sure if the internet had been around in 1939, we could have read widely about how the Poles attacked Germany, triggering WWII
You're taking the same approach as the ID people. You're saying that since you don't believe in something, that nobody else should either. The ID people are trying to force religion in a setting the requires only science. You're trying to force science in a setting that allows for more than just science.
Actually I'm not, I'm saying that the theory that 'universes need intelligent creator beings' gives you nothing, since the question immediately arises 'who created the creator being?'. And if you are claiming that that question does not in fact arise, I would like to know why the need for a creator being popped up in the first place.
Also, I'm not giving any scientific explanation for the coming-into-existence of the universe whatsoever, so I'm not pushing science anywhere!
Your question about how God came to be is fundamentally flawed as a result. You're trying to apply science to a question that most Christians use faith to explain: that God has always existed.
Ahhhhh. So you're saying 'we invented a useful concept called 'faith' so we can declare certain things we have no explanation for out of bounds and can posit any assertions we want in these areas as unarguable fact and will ignore any attempts to pick at these assertions.'.
You can't 'use faith' to explain things, but you can, as you've ably demonstrated 'use faith to not explain things'.;-)
Perhaps the best way to handle this entire argument, since you're obviously close-minded on the whole thing, is to accept that other people have different beliefs than you.
Yes, one can always dodge an argument by saying 'dont wanna play'. That's fine, if a bit boring. I'm open minded to arguments you wish to make, but please dont have a little tantrum if I happen to take your arguments to pieces, or even not treat them with the breathless respect you might want me to.:-)
if someone were to argue that DNA is a construct (that evolves) that is the product of intelligent design...
Well, that would be a quaint little notion with which to tickle the intellect. More than that...? Somebody could make a sci-fi movie that had that idea in the plot somewhere. The Matrix was quite a good film, but I wouldn't base my explanation of the universe on it.
Maybe some time in the future our descendents will invent DNA-like chemical systems and simulate them at high speed to see what happens... Or seed some planet with our invention. Ooh!
I am so sick of all this whining about flamebait from ID proponents.
Hear hear! ID is a flimsy fig-leaf intended to cover the embarrassment of those creationists with a modicum of scientific self-awareness. Shame on them.
That's my opinion - people can like it or lump it. They can even mod it down, but if they do, they'll burn in Hell for their petty vindictiveness towards one of God's children.;-)
I'm genuinely interested - how do you believe this 'God' came into existence? Was it itself created by another 'Pre-God' (SuperGod!), or is it a being evolved in a Universe that didnt require a God figure to come into existence? I suppose my point is, given the neccessary complexity of any such Universe-creating God, what explanatory power wrt to the existence of this universe has belief in such a God? Any God itself, as a complex entity, would need an appropriate creation myth. Perhaps it's best to nip the whole mythology thing in the bud and remove God Beings, nested or otherwise, from the equation. Instead just say: 'I dont know how the universe came into being, but once it did, it was physics from then on'. I dont see what these 'God' fairy stories buy one, except perhaps entertainment.
firmly believe that God did, in fact, make bees fly.
Nah. Santa Claus did it with the same magic dust he sprinkles on his reindeer. This is surely more plausible, and has equal evidence to back it up.
If we didn't study some form of defying gravity, we wouldn't have airplanes.
With this evidence of your grasp of basic science, I can see why 'intelligent design' might appeal to you!...ah damn it, I might as well explain. Great metal bird fly because of aerodynamics, not because it defy gravity.
Yes, and in fact the actual explanation (that the recommendation system is just broken and not-even-accidentally-racist) is made clear in the article, although not before they have squeezed enough alarmist mileage out of the bullshit 'racist' angle of course.
Let's face it, a story like Shock Horror: Walmart Website Recommends MLK Video to Powerpuff Girls Buyers! just doesnt have the same ring to it.
So you will</flash> want to simplify your life massively by avoiding native C++, and using a managed language and the managed AD API, and drop down to the C API where neccessary using P-Invoke (unlikely to be neccessary).
Unless this is one of those weird Active Directory apps that needs raw speed. Maybe an Active Directory based first person shoot-em-up?
torrential downpour of several billion raindrops per year.
Not to mention the increased revenue when swarms of South Korean consumers descend on the shops to snap up a copy of the court-mandated 'lean and mean' version of Windows. Dont these judges realize what they're doing is counter-productive!?
What the crap (in 2005) has Christianity got to do with asking people if they enjoyed the universal, consumerist have-a-good-time-and-give-presents Christmas?
MS bought the name off him... and then used it. Shockaroonie!
They really should have mentioned they wanted the name for a product, so the guy could have hung on to it a bit longer and perhaps got more for it. Perhaps not the most sensible course of action from MS's perspective. Perfectly understandable that they would use copyright infringement as the crowbar to get the name off the guy, but still, pretty disingenuous.
Hey - interesting story. I tried to find out about it and found this, which seems to confirm the existence of the ad, but contradict you on its successfulness:
[snip]...A positive example of such an attitude was realised in the advertising campaign [for Pollena 2000] of 1990-1996 in the strategic use of quotations from a very famous canon trilogy by the nineteenth-century writer Henryk Sienkiewicz. [...] The high level of satisfaction was gained by virtue of reference to the common archive of quotations. The linguistic pun and the historical scenery imitating the novel's reality took the audience by storm. It was a great commercial success which some agencies tried to repeat[snip]
This makes it sound like the ad worked and the crafty Poles got the reference.
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There's plenty of websites where you can read and write Russian propaganda if that's what floats your boat. Im sure if the internet had been around in 1939, we could have read widely about how the Poles attacked Germany, triggering WWII
APPLAUSE.
Your comment should be printed on a T-Shirt.
It is just about the most applicable response to 90% of the kneejerk blowhard knowitall comments made on slashdot.
One thing I wonder is how they're going to run debuggers without admin privs.
They should be okay so long as they are members of the usefully named 'debugger' group.
Post was joke.
Responded to post blaming terrorists with equally dumb idea.
Nevertheless, was modded troll.
Slashdot is so great.
(BTW: is it really evidence of global warming?!)
Maybe *this* will persuade BU$HITLER and the NEOCONS that global warming isn't a myth!! goddamnit!!!!!1!!11!1!!111eleven!!!
How interesting is you credit card number and billing address?:
www.cardfraud.com
lol.
(hmm... is lol allowed on slashdot)
You're taking the same approach as the ID people. You're saying that since you don't believe in something, that nobody else should either. The ID people are trying to force religion in a setting the requires only science. You're trying to force science in a setting that allows for more than just science.
;-)
:-)
Actually I'm not, I'm saying that the theory that 'universes need intelligent creator beings' gives you nothing, since the question immediately arises 'who created the creator being?'.
And if you are claiming that that question does not in fact arise, I would like to know why the need for a creator being popped up in the first place.
Also, I'm not giving any scientific explanation for the coming-into-existence of the universe whatsoever, so I'm not pushing science anywhere!
Your question about how God came to be is fundamentally flawed as a result. You're trying to apply science to a question that most Christians use faith to explain: that God has always existed.
Ahhhhh. So you're saying 'we invented a useful concept called 'faith' so we can declare certain things we have no explanation for out of bounds and can posit any assertions we want in these areas as unarguable fact and will ignore any attempts to pick at these assertions.'.
You can't 'use faith' to explain things, but you can, as you've ably demonstrated 'use faith to not explain things'.
Perhaps the best way to handle this entire argument, since you're obviously close-minded on the whole thing, is to accept that other people have different beliefs than you.
Yes, one can always dodge an argument by saying 'dont wanna play'. That's fine, if a bit boring. I'm open minded to arguments you wish to make, but please dont have a little tantrum if I happen to take your arguments to pieces, or even not treat them with the breathless respect you might want me to.
if someone were to argue that DNA is a construct (that evolves) that is the product of intelligent design...
Well, that would be a quaint little notion with which to tickle the intellect. More than that...? Somebody could make a sci-fi movie that had that idea in the plot somewhere. The Matrix was quite a good film, but I wouldn't base my explanation of the universe on it.
Maybe some time in the future our descendents will invent DNA-like chemical systems and simulate them at high speed to see what happens... Or seed some planet with our invention. Ooh!
I am so sick of all this whining about flamebait from ID proponents.
;-)
Hear hear! ID is a flimsy fig-leaf intended to cover the embarrassment of those creationists with a modicum of scientific self-awareness. Shame on them.
That's my opinion - people can like it or lump it. They can even mod it down, but if they do, they'll burn in Hell for their petty vindictiveness towards one of God's children.
I'm genuinely interested - how do you believe this 'God' came into existence? Was it itself created by another 'Pre-God' (SuperGod!), or is it a being evolved in a Universe that didnt require a God figure to come into existence? I suppose my point is, given the neccessary complexity of any such Universe-creating God, what explanatory power wrt to the existence of this universe has belief in such a God? Any God itself, as a complex entity, would need an appropriate creation myth.
Perhaps it's best to nip the whole mythology thing in the bud and remove God Beings, nested or otherwise, from the equation. Instead just say: 'I dont know how the universe came into being, but once it did, it was physics from then on'. I dont see what these 'God' fairy stories buy one, except perhaps entertainment.
firmly believe that God did, in fact, make bees fly.
...ah damn it, I might as well explain. Great metal bird fly because of aerodynamics, not because it defy gravity.
:-)
Nah. Santa Claus did it with the same magic dust he sprinkles on his reindeer. This is surely more plausible, and has equal evidence to back it up.
If we didn't study some form of defying gravity, we wouldn't have airplanes.
With this evidence of your grasp of basic science, I can see why 'intelligent design' might appeal to you!
Cheers
Isn't this a corruption of Hanlon's Razor
Yes, and in fact the actual explanation (that the recommendation system is just broken and not-even-accidentally-racist) is made clear in the article, although not before they have squeezed enough alarmist mileage out of the bullshit 'racist' angle of course.
Let's face it, a story like Shock Horror: Walmart Website Recommends MLK Video to Powerpuff Girls Buyers! just doesnt have the same ring to it.
Interpreting as "the platters are spinning faster".
No really! - with these new HDDs the entire drive spins. Makes it very dangerous to leave the side off your PC.
So you will</flash> want to simplify your life massively by avoiding native C++, and using a managed language and the managed AD API, and drop down to the C API where neccessary using P-Invoke (unlikely to be neccessary).
Unless this is one of those weird Active Directory apps that needs raw speed. Maybe an Active Directory based first person shoot-em-up?
torrential downpour of several billion raindrops per year.
Not to mention the increased revenue when swarms of South Korean consumers descend on the shops to snap up a copy of the court-mandated 'lean and mean' version of Windows.
Dont these judges realize what they're doing is counter-productive!?
What the crap (in 2005) has Christianity got to do with asking people if they enjoyed the universal, consumerist have-a-good-time-and-give-presents Christmas?
PS: (fevered politically-correct delusions don't count)
All I can say is there must be some highly sensitive AJAXers out there if my fairly lame joke came out as flamebait!
AJAX is great, but it only really comes into its own when married with another brand new technology:
HAHA - ("HTML And HTTP Applications")
Keep your eyes peeled - AJAX + HAHA is going to be huge!
It's just a few small steps from this measure to MIND CONTROL CHIPS EMBEDDED IN OUR BRAINS!!!111
MS also have a patent on two word trademarks - A Design for Bi-Morphemal Trade-Concept Identifiers - 2004.
hey, at least he got paid
he didnt get paid
Thankyou. I'm a dick.
MS bought the name off him... and then used it. Shockaroonie!
They really should have mentioned they wanted the name for a product, so the guy could have hung on to it a bit longer and perhaps got more for it. Perhaps not the most sensible course of action from MS's perspective. Perfectly understandable that they would use copyright infringement as the crowbar to get the name off the guy, but still, pretty disingenuous.
Hey - interesting story. I tried to find out about it and found this, which seems to confirm the existence of the ad, but contradict you on its successfulness:
[snip]...A positive example of such an attitude was realised in the advertising campaign [for Pollena 2000] of 1990-1996 in the strategic use of quotations from a very famous canon trilogy by the nineteenth-century writer Henryk Sienkiewicz. [...] The high level of satisfaction was gained by virtue of reference to the common archive of quotations. The linguistic pun and the historical scenery imitating the novel's reality took the audience by storm. It was a great commercial success which some agencies tried to repeat[snip]
This makes it sound like the ad worked and the crafty Poles got the reference.
Yes, to be fair, Firefox+OSX+Flash is knackered.