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Google News Has Russian Army Invading Savannah, GA

theodp writes "If you checked out Google-wannabe Cuil, you learned that mapping search results to relevant images isn't a trivial task. But even Big Dog Google isn't immune to embarrassing graphics gaffes. Readers of Google News were shown that Russian troops are thrusting into the outskirts of Savannah, Georgia, thanks to the Google Maps graphic accompanying a story about Russian incursions into Georgia — the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern US. Yahoo! Answers also had some fun with the GA-Georgia mix-up — 'I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie' (Google cache) — before a spoilsport deleted the question."

413 comments

  1. aha! by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I understand where all those references to WWIII are coming from, the Russians are invading Georgia :)

    1. Re:aha! by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Funny

      more power to the necrophiliacs in this world...

    2. Re:aha! by mobby_6kl · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and they've already taken Vienna (the real one). Looks like the Iron Curtain will cover most of Europe again.

    3. Re:aha! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny
      No, just thrusting into some skirts or other.
      To paraphrase Carlin:

      "Our counter-thrust must be to prick holes in the stiff front erected by the Russians leaders.
      We must keep mounting an offensive to penetrate any crack in their defenses.
      Let's get on them.
      Let's ram through a stiff response so it will be hard for them to get it up.
      It'll be hard on us, but we can't lick them by being soft!"

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    4. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the dot on the map is closer to Hinesville than Savannah. Hinesville just happens to be the home of the 3rd infantry division, so maybe its more a foretelling than a slip

    5. Re:aha! by kcbanner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn. Why did he have to dies so soon. That guy was pwn.

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    6. Re:aha! by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "thanks to the Google Maps graphic accompanying a story about Russian incursions into Georgia -- the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S. "

      You know...this statement strikes me as unusual. If someone had made this type of joke about say, a predominately black city or something being Black-pride-ridden, there'd be calls of racism all over the place with massive outrage, and down-mod points being thrown about like shrapnel.

      But, I guess it is ok as long as humor is directed at caucasians or people in the southern US.

      Don't get me wrong, I think everyone needs to grow a bit thicker skin, and learn to take a joke, but, it is the double standard of political correctness that 'grinds my gears'.

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    7. Re:aha! by Spatial · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's the spirit. I think you'd get on well with him if he were still alive.

    8. Re:aha! by morari · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There aren't a lot of black groups running around Georgia terrorizing and lynching white folk...

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    9. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the same as the assholes who say all Muslims are evil people whole cut someones head off slowly with a dull knife. The truth is there are whites, blacks, hispanics, and muslims who have done evil things. To group all of one group together because of the actions is a small minority is racism.

      And I got news for you, there aren't a whole lot of whites (in groups or not) terrorizing and lynching black folk either, it does happen but it's a small minority.

      Racism is racism regardless of who you direct it against.

    10. Re:aha! by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Muslim isn't a race.

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    11. Re:aha! by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "There aren't a lot of black groups running around Georgia terrorizing and lynching white folk..."

      There's not a lot of white groups running around anywhere in the US, terrorizing and lynching blacks either my friend.

      Lynching went out of practice MANY years ago.

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    12. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe drugs and alcohol. I loved his comedy too, but just saying.

    13. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. I don't have the range the Great One did, but just wanted to throw in my own little homage.

    14. Re:aha! by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Informative

      There aren't a lot of black groups running around Georgia terrorizing and lynching white folk...

      Well, they aren't lynching people, per se. There are plenty of "black groups" terrorizing hispanic immigrants in the region I live in, though, since they tend to carry cash and don't arm themselves. Most of the murders happen in Atlanta, which is blacks terrorizing blacks.

      116 whites were arrested for murder in Georgia 2007. 411 non-whites were.

      639 whites were arrested for robbery, 3101 non-whites.

      Even if half of those arrests resulted in acquittals the figures would be ridiculous.

      http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_88103906,00.html

      And for those of you who are about to blame "racist police officers", don't make an ass of yourself.

      http://www.fultonsheriff.org/ (that's the county that Atlanta is in)

      I don't "hate black people". I'm just sick of watching this, and hearing about non-existent lynchings.

    15. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans in Georgia are too busy humping their sisters or watching Larry The Cable Guy specials to be offended.

    16. Re:aha! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the Google grid has become self aware and has used its incredible computing strength to attempt a prediction of the future. That would be fucking awesome!

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    17. Re:aha! by sjames · · Score: 1

      There aren't a lot of white groups running around Georgia terrorizing and lynching black folk either.

      I can't say there is no racism, but I have seen as much or more in other parts of the country.

      The sheet wearing racists are now regarded by most about the same as those people who actually believe the south will one day win the civil war.

    18. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason for these jabs against the south is that today overt racism is still way more prevalent in the south than in a any other area of the U.S.

      Most people who live in the south and are white are in complete denial over this.

    19. Re:aha! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And Google Maps does give confusing alternatives all too often.

      Just try to look for "Dannemora", you will have at least three alternatives. "Dannemora, Sweden", "Dannemora, NY" and "Dannemora, New Zealand".

      As I understand it the ones in NY and New Zealand have been getting their names from Swedes emigrating from "Dannemora, Sweden".

      And if you search for "Dannemora" only you will be located in New Zealand.

      There are countless other cases with the same name confusion so this isn't surprising.

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    20. Re:aha! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      By the way - there is a "Lima" in Sweden too, not just in Peru. And you have 9 more in USA.

      Just to make things simple!

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    21. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who modded the parent post "flamebait"? It insulted NO ONE and corrected something ridiculous that the GP post implied (which IS flamebait, but is currently modded "insightful").

      Is there seriously someone here who thinks that there are whites CURRENTLY carrying out lynchings in Georgia? Or even any time in the last 20 years?

    22. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes: Liberals.

      Liberals are infamous race baiters: they will throw race around as a tool for their own ends without end.

      The irony to me is that they treat blacks in this country as people who just can't make it without Uncle Sam's Liberal help.

    23. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot shovel this demonic.

      You need to know - that you might as well get a cranky trucker any where near a lynch mob and easily individually lynch body slam ALL -all- of them individually and want to drive a Corolla after it.

      Lead the Corolla and GTA to the ghetto.

      oo_oo The Prophet

    24. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I lived in 'the South' for 31 years. I have JUST moved to NYC and have never encountered the racism, even while living in New Orleans, that I have encountered from Blacks towards Whites as I've seen here... and that's just hearing from strangers in the Subway - because they were purposely talking loud enough for every one on the car to hear them.

      I have also heard racism come out of the mouths of the white, educated locals as well. Having heard it from them I suspect the racism goes deeper as well.

      Overall, my experience here in the last 10 weeks is that New York City has more hate in it than any where I've lived, in the three states I've lived, in 'the South'.

    25. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you probably complain about the mujahedin attacking the US, and don't bother questioning who put them in place and equipped them.
      There are always two sides about events: the picture, and the reason for what you see. You see the picture, you don't see why. You don't want to understand, because you got people to blame, and that makes the world easy, without you having to get your butt up to change something.

    26. Re:aha! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lynching went out of practice MANY years ago.

      Yeah, keep up with the times already.

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    27. Re:aha! by couchslug · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I don't "hate black people". I'm just sick of watching this, and hearing about non-existent lynchings."

      That's a permanent condition, so what I do is live in the country where among other advantages, there is ample personal space. We cannot change the African-American crime situation because we are White, but we can avoid them. White Flight works for me. I don't hate them either, but there is zero reason for me to locate in their neighborhoods. If I were rich and urban I'd live in an economically segregated community. Since I'm middle class and prefer rural spaces I choose them.

      This will surely be unpopular on Slashdot, but I argue it is perfectly fine and good to locate away from humans one has no cause to embrace. Thanks to country custom (armed resistance to trespass) and the Second Amendment, in my area African-American crime is largely confined to areas where they live. Whites move away as problems increase, but there is plenty of land.

      Nothing can or will be done about minority crime in the US, so the only options for the average person are mobility and self-defense, both of which are equally useful for dealing with non-minority crime.

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    28. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get me wrong, I think everyone needs to grow a bit thicker skin, and learn to take a joke, but, it is the double standard of political correctness that 'grinds my gears'.

      Your own post demonstrates you don't really mean that, otherwise you'd start by thickening your own skin.

    29. Re:aha! by GofG · · Score: 1

      That's because white people can be made fun of because they haven't gone through anything difficult in the past 3000 years.

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    30. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, it's a breakfast cereal.

    31. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, and people like you, are the reason communities fail.

      Instead of people sticking around and solving the problem in THEIR community, they run like a cowards.

      I worked hard, together with a lot of like-minded people, in my area and we made it work.

      Improve your area, and "they" might improve their area. Improve your attitude towards "them", and they might improve their attitude towards you.

    32. Re:aha! by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So-called 'white flight' is not just rational, it's noble.

      (On a site note I hate the term "white flight" because it's inherently racist against whites --- every single race does the same thing (group by like, duh), but when whites do it it's somehow evil.)

    33. Re:aha! by Arterion · · Score: 1

      Absolutely! It's only racism when you're directing it at non-whites. It's been that way for a while.

      This is why most comedians can make jew jokes, or asian jokes, but never black jokes. Chink and kike are okay, but if you come out and say nigger, you're a horrible racist bastard. But remember, only white people can't say that word. It's okay to say it if you're black.

      When you think about it, the fact that there is a double standard is the real racism.

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    34. Re:aha! by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Instead of people sticking around and solving the problem in THEIR community, they run like a cowards."

      Nice troll, Anonymous Coward. ;)

      DO explain why I should stick around to facilitate a harmonious community replacement at my own expense and risk with no prospect of any personal benefit whatever?

      When it is sold to someone else, it ain't MY community. Riding it out like the last few old Jews did in Harlem (note to the young, Harlem wasn't always African American) isn't my idea of a smart move. Retiring in the country OTOH is proving to be quite nice.

      The choice to stay in a deteriorating neighborhood is not logical,
      The choice to stay where the new inhabitants view you as prey is not logical. The choice to sell out and re-invest where ones money buys more property in a better area IS logical. If the new inhabitants are so wonderful, than Whitey rocketing out of town should not only make no difference, it should help matters.
      They can wallow in their wonderfulness without my company and prosper thereby. Let them demonstrate their virtue by example. Failure to do so proves Flight is Right.

      "Improve your area, and "they" might improve their area."

      I have no reason to rely on "might" when property may be bought and sold easily and I get more of everything else I want out of the deal.

      "Improve your attitude towards "them", and they might improve their attitude towards you."

      I've seen their attitude towards EACH OTHER and am not impressed.
      I'm quite socially skillful in person, but personal attitudes don't matter because crime isn't personal.
      I will never be higher on the totem pole than their own folks.

      Since I obviously can't do anything to change the situation, it isn't my problem unless I stay on the sinking ship, and I'm free to locate where I wish, I leave the responsibility for each community to its members.

      I just switch communities. There are plenty of folks like myself who are happy to have me and I them. We have no right to exclude others, but we have every right to move where we are most accepted and safe.

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    35. Re:aha! by couchslug · · Score: 1

      The implication that whites should "stay" is racist and patronizing, because it presumes minorities cannot build good neighborhoods on their own.

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    36. Re:aha! by dosun88888 · · Score: 1

      That's just because there are so many jews there.

    37. Re:aha! by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Precisely! This is an irony missed by those who decry white flight as "causing" the collapse of the communities of those left behind - they are implicitly and subconsciously pushing the age-old colonial "White Man's Burden" belief.

      The racist and the anti-racist are unwittingly opposite sides of the same coin.

    38. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > George Carlin was a foul-mouthed druggie piece of shit who's roasting to a turn in Hell's overweening flames right now.

      And he had more insight into the human condition than you could ever DREAM of having, plus the courage to tell it straight.

      Quite the foul mouth you have yourself there, BTW.

    39. Re:aha! by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      Ha! Russians captured one afro-american combatant in Ossetia. Questioning him where he came from:)

    40. Re:aha! by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      That's not it at all.

      New Yorkers are extremely cosmopolitan, in that they treat both genders and every race(including their own) equally... with the same rough and rude manner. When you're in New York, get used to it or get out of the way.

    41. Re:aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "thanks to the Google Maps graphic accompanying a story about Russian incursions into Georgia -- the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S. "

      You know...this statement strikes me as unusual. If someone had made this type of joke about say, a predominately black city or something being Black-pride-ridden, there'd be calls of racism all over the place with massive outrage, and down-mod points being thrown about like shrapnel.

      That's not an all-things-being-equal argument. Immerse yourself in a parallel universe that arose with these race roles reversed for a significant period and get back to us with your observations. (Imagining it is easier... for those who can.)

      If you want society to forgive and forget, you must earn the first part first. Feeling as the butt of jokes like that indicates you haven't.

  2. A local radio station was having fun by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Interesting

    with the Georgia invasion and some local power outages caused by storms. Unfortunately since its not exactly relevant to Americans it seems that we can make light of such a situation. Needless to say they were talking to some people and lead a few along the lines that Georgia had just shot down two Russian planes and while the power was out in lots of places (it wasn't) they were still on the air "for now".

    Got to love Russia's timing on the invasion. I guess we could have expected it from the Chinese if it were hosted elsewhere. Time will tell if the Olympics changes how the Chinese treat their neighbors all in the name of obtaining trust based respect on the world stage or if they use the fact that after the Olympics end they can just whack Taiwan or hit Tibet harder.

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    1. Re:A local radio station was having fun by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Got to love Russia's timing on the invasion.

      Err... it was actually the Georgians deciding to "reclaim" South Ossetia. The Russians are mounting an counter offensive. But one would never expect USians to ever bother with details like this. They would just mess up their neat White Hat / Black Hat world.

    2. Re:A local radio station was having fun by andb52 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are only partially correct. Georgia did start an offensive in South Ossetia against the independence movement there. However, Russia has most definitely gone beyond any peacekeeping role that it claimed. The Russians have bombed the Georgian town of Gori, which is well outside of the combat zone. If anything, it seems that Russia is using the Georgian attacks on South Ossetia as a pretense to invade the entire country. This has gone well beyond anything the Russians should be doing, regardless of what Georgia did in the first place. It is, as the Georgian president has put it, an act of war. Oh, and if you won't take this American's word for it, try the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7551595.stm

    3. Re:A local radio station was having fun by u38cg · · Score: 1

      I hate to break this to you guys, but if this turns into a regional funfest, dragging in NATO, it will become exactly relevant to Americans, and moreover it will make Iraq look like a day at the beach. Interesting that Russia is choosing to play bad guy with one of exactly two non-Nato members on its European border.

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    4. Re:A local radio station was having fun by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if you'd have followed the story for a bit longer, you'd realize that this was a damn near inevitable outcome of Russia's approach to "protecting" South Ossetia from Georgia. I was always wondering when the war would start. I'm just surprised it happened so quickly.

      If you think this is about anything other than Russia's power politics-driven goals, you're a fool.

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    5. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Georgian army shelled a sleeping Tskhinvali, killing more than 1500 people. Without warning.

      Let me repeat: Georgia killed more than 1500 civilians by shelling a sleeping city.

      That's a war crime.

      Then Georgia moved in with tanks and infantry. And _only_ _then_ Russian forces moved in. You just can't blame this conflict on Russia.

      Gori was not the target of bombing, a military base and ammo warehouses were targeted. The civilian losses were, probably, a result of a stray bomb or caused by exploding ammo warehouse.

      I have friends in Georgia, one of them has been mobilized yesterday. So I watch the situation carefully (I also speak Russian).

      Russia _definitely_ overstepped its peacekeeping mandate, sure. But by now nobody cares about it.

    6. Re:A local radio station was having fun by andreyw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What Georgia did _was_ an act of war. They invaded a defacto sovereign nation, violating a 1992 accord, and this was an outright violation of international law. They did so by shelling civilians in Tsinhvali.They didn't just violate some hypothetical border. They literally tried to reclaim the entire breakaway province. Some _1500_ innocents have died as a direct result of this aggression. Russian is not "invading the entire country", it is performing a series of preventative strikes (so beloved by the USA) on military bases to _prevent_ further military actions by Georgia and force Georgia so stop the war. Keep in mind that 90% of all Southern Ossetians hold russian citizenship.

      Apparently "preventative strikes" on Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever by the USA is perfectly okay even in the name of the so-called "War on Terrorism", yet when Russian military actually tries to enforce a ceasefire and stop the Georgians from cutting the Ossetians to pieces (again, like the tried in the 90s), you get "omghee teh Russians have invaded teh poowah Georgians". What a joke.

      Now, while Southern Ossetia is de-jure part of Georgia, it is defacto a sovereign nation. Remember Kosovo? This isn't any different. Except for that a fragile peace has been actively enforced by Russian peacekeepers for more than 10 years while the three sides (abkhazia, souther ossetia and georgia) were failing to reach a consensus. If there was any hope for the creation of semi-autonomous regions within Georgia - that hope is lost. You don't really think the Ossetians and Abhazians are going to want to be a part of Georgia after this? Georgia literally has 0 diplomatic credits now after repeatedly repudating on and violating international agreements.

    7. Re:A local radio station was having fun by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      Good grief! Geography is difficult, people!
      There is a country named Georgia and then there is a state that is called Georgia and the latter want to act like a country but don't want to take on all the responsibility that comes with being one. (Oh and if the US state Georgia had become a country by it's own, it would have been a third world country)

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    8. Re:A local radio station was having fun by mcvos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is, as the Georgian president has put it, an act of war.

      Definitely, and it's completely at odds with arguments Russia had been making about the former-Yugoslavia situation, particularly the independence of Kosovo. They don't want provinces seceding from their mother country because that would legitimise Chechnya's attempts at independence, yet now they interfere when Georgia tries to stop a province from declaring its independence.

      Ofcourse South Ossetia wants to join Russia, and Georgia has supported Chechnya (in words at least), so clearly different standards are in order here. On the other hand, I think Saakashvili overplayed his hand quite a bit, and was a fool for antagonising Russia. With a big and autocratic neighbour like that, an uncomfortable friendship works much better than outright hostility.

    9. Re:A local radio station was having fun by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Putin clearly wanted (or wants) something of Bush. How fortunate that they should both be at the same place (Olympics) at the same time just as Russia invades.

      Georgia is a pawn - for what, us ordinary folks will only learn for sure, later on

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    10. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Russia _definitely_ overstepped its peacekeeping mandate, sure. But by now nobody cares about it.

      I care. Get the fuck out of Georgia. Georgian troops are in Georgia, Russian troops are in a foreign country. Do the math who is the aggressor.

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    11. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Russia SUPPORTED territorial integrity of Georgia until yesterday. That's why peacekeeping forces were there - to stop bloodshed between separatists and Georgians.

      However, independence of Kosovo established a precedent. Probably that's why Georgia started this war.

    12. Re:A local radio station was having fun by mindslut · · Score: 1

      the US would never do these kind if things

      at least not without our white hat on ...perhaps the US economy could be helped a bit by leasing the white hats to foreign nations?

      more seriously, this is terrible news all around, no one wins in a war but the cockroaches and rats. these human failures are times we let ourselves down

      condolences to anyone affected by this

    13. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So lets give 90% of iraqies/afghanis and iranis US citizenship and passports and then it wont be an invasion nor a future invasion when US attacks iran or whatever country is on their hitlist? They will be just protecting them form them from themself and the rightful land-owners?

      Trust me I dont like georgia but your argument sucks.

    14. Re:A local radio station was having fun by samkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of people are asserting a lot of things on Slashdot, but none of us actually knows what's going on. Or who really broke the cease-fire first. If you weren't there, don't be so sure about who did what when. The fog of war makes that impossible for anyone to know, let alone an armchair observer half a world away.

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    15. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "stopping the ongoing genocide" -- that's Russian talking points, just like US invading Iraq for WMD, when will you stop trusting propaganda of people directly involved in the conflict?

      "There were several attacks on Georgia, but strictly on military targets." -- I'm also sure that Georgians keep their tanks in the apartment buildings since I've seen some of them bombed by Russian planes.

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    16. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Informative

      What 'fog of war'?

      It's all clear - Georgia was waging a 'sniper war' since August 1 causing several deaths.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_War#1_August_.E2.80.93_7_August:_escalation_of_hostilities

      That was the beginning. And it's clear who shot first.

    17. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hush you. We are supposed to hate/fear Russia because it is Russia. Most people aren't even aware that Georgia is more than a southern state here. So...clearly...this is all the Ruskies doing!

      Come on now, this is ./ Do you really expect anything involving military action to be anything more than cut and dry the big dog's fault? I don't even agree with half of the Iraq/Afghanistan stuff, but people here treat it like those countries were just happy sunshine places ruthlessly attacked by an evil warmonger nation of hate. You can point out rhetoric, aggressive actions, war crimes, etc, but at the end of the day it is pretty much the same here. Universities are opening for the first time in ages in Afghanistan and people say that they were better off when women were being executed for daring to become educated.

      The geek crowd, having been the target of violence or hiding from violence most of their lives, seems to have a tremendously difficult time with dealing with the reality of these things.

    18. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Learn history. Georgia ALREADY tried genocide in Ossetia in 1992. What makes you think this time is different?

      "I'm also sure that Georgians keep their tanks in the apartment buildings since I've seen some of them bombed by Russian planes."

      Nope. You've seen several burning and one destroyed building - a collateral damage from destruction of a nearby military base (with ammo warehouses).

      If Russia (God firbid) target civilians then losses would have been 100x higher.

      Like about 1500 dead in Tskhinvali after shelling be Georgia.

    19. Re:A local radio station was having fun by karlwilson · · Score: 1

      Here here. I think this is a case of the Dunning Kruger Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect The less someone knows, the more the overestimate their level of knowledge.

    20. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      Simple question, where did you get that 1500 number that you keep repeating like a parrot?

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    21. Re:A local radio station was having fun by vikstar · · Score: 1

      Russian forces in South Ossetia started to shell Georgian towns. Georgia responded by mobilising a military force to stop the shelling. Russia then "retaliated" with a full offensive. Why? Because Russia wants to control the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. Did the US invasion of Iraq teach you nothing?

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    22. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why, from Georgian president of course.

      He bragged on Georgian TV that '1500 Ossetian bandits were destroyed'.

      Also, that number is fairly reasonable estimate of what you get after shelling a small city.

    23. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Kagura · · Score: 2, Informative

      The past five years have seen Georgia striving to join NATO, and making great progress in that regard. Such a move is decidedly pro-Western and anti-Russian.

      Now, Russia has been infringing on Georgian territory for several months to gauge public and international opinion, and several hundred Russian tanks with similarly large concentrations of troops and air power have been amassing in the meantime.

      There were over 1,000 US troops helping train Georgian forces in a very large-scale exercise. The bulk of those US forces left on August 2nd and 3rd. It is no surprise that Russia waited until this occurred before launching their invasion under the pretense of Georgian genocide. Since I am not an expert on Georgia, all my information comes from what can be found in recent mass media.

    24. Re:A local radio station was having fun by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Did you read it? I wrote about the citizenship implying that Russia is also protecting the interests of its citizens.

    25. Re:A local radio station was having fun by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      simple question, the guy claims he speaks russian, has friends locally, so he's going to be a ton better informed than your average ./er, what is *your* claim to authority ?

      It would seem to me that someone with an ear on the ground is better informed than someone that simply reads the filtered and processed media, which can't help but always paint russia as the boogey man, even if there is no apparent reason to do so. In this particular case it seems that all the hype paints russia as the aggressor, whereas all the more informed sources paint georgia as the aggressor.

      The small fact that the US has been quietly (Or not so quietly) bankrolling georgia's resistance to the russians is mostly ignored by US media (but it's all over the news in Europe).

    26. Re:A local radio station was having fun by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      I'm unclear as to the details, which are murky according to the source, but it does appear verifiable that this situation has something to do with competition in oil and gas/pipelines, etc.

    27. Re:A local radio station was having fun by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      They did it because they are under the illusion that the US will support them in this, similar illusions have been held by lots of countries that thought they were in the US's good graces.

      Like all of them though, they're sadly mistaken, the US will maybe make some noise and send some cash but that is probably as far as it will go. And that's a good thing too, because really to start WWIII for real over a pipeline would seem a little excessive. (that's what this is all about anyway, the Ossetians are just pawns on a chessboard so large they can not even see the edges).

    28. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      If he did said that '1500 Ossetian bandits were destroyed" does that mean that those 1500 people were non-combatants as you claim or insinuate?
      How is that "genocide"? "he who raises the sword shall perish by the sword"

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    29. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      How do you know what languages do I speak? And what if somebody makes various claims about their knowledge or abilities on slashdot, do you take that at face value?

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    30. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Kagura · · Score: 2, Informative

      Replying to my own post, it is also important to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_(2008) which also tells about the Georgian attack on the capital of South Ossetia. As GP said, we don't have enough facts at this extremely early point to decide.

      However, modern military actions of this kind cannot happen overnight. They require extensive operational planning and even more extensive logistical planning. It is possible that Russia was waiting for an escalation or valid pretense to cross the border, engage Georgian armed forces, and occupy Georgian territory.

    31. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      You can check my posting history. I commented on a lots of other articles concerning Russia or Russian language.

      Or here's my profile on a Russian-speaking site (Russian Software Developers Network): http://rsdn.ru/Users/37054.aspx , where I have about 18000 messages.

    32. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      How can you detect that you hit a civilian or a militant when you're shelling a city?

    33. Re:A local radio station was having fun by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      Ask Russians, they perfected the method in Grozny.

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    34. Re:A local radio station was having fun by piemcfly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      keyword: De Facto.
      Missing term: De Jure.

      Meaning: Ossetia was, as things stood, autonomous from Georgia. However, this was not recognized by anybody that has anything to say about such things (namely, the UN), thus, this whole 'de facto' nonsense means nothing in relation to the Georgian attacks on Ossetia.
      Look, afaik, Georgia is doing a lot wrong with this whole Ossetia business, but there's a very distinct line between invading what is, by international law, a runaway province (no matter how 'de facto' its independence may be) and invading a foreign country.
      Russia just escalated this into a major shooting war in what is as it stands one of the geopolitically most important yet unstable regions of the world.

    35. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      If you think that I'm going to defend all Russian actions in Chechnya - than you're quite wrong.

    36. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Actually, Russian actions are still legal under the peacekeeping mandate. Right now Russia is officially 'forcing a peace'.

      And no, it's not Russia but Russia _and_ Georgia who escalated this into a shooting war.

    37. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Dramacrat · · Score: 0

      I'm sending a box of whaaamburgers to Georgia as I write this.

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    38. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Perf · · Score: 1

      Many times, the people closest to the action are the one who know the least.

      For example: On 9/11,many of the people inside the Twin Towers and even firemen who responded had no idea what was happening. They were just responding to an emergency. They only learned later.

    39. Re:A local radio station was having fun by nebulus4 · · Score: 0

      So lets give 90% of iraqies/afghanis and iranis US citizenship and passports and then it wont be an invasion nor a future invasion when US attacks iran or whatever country is on their hitlist?

      Your logic fails mainly because you assume those 90% of Iraqis/Afghans or Iranians would accept US citizenship and passports.

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    40. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The russian military presence and political influences in ossetia need to be removed.

    41. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter at all whether separatists or Georgians broke the cease-fire first. We will never know the truth, in any way.

      What matters is that Georgia overreacted and started a large scale military operation. This indeed happened before any Russian troops were sent there (Georgia never denied that). In this first military operation Georgians fired artillery and non-guided Grad missiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K51_Grad) against own cities.
      *This* is plain wrong. No government should fire rockets and drop bombs at cities populated by *own* citizens, no matter separatist or not. This is more or less what Milosevic did in Kosovo or Putin did in Chechnya.

      BBC: Timeline of the conflict
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7551576.stm

    42. Re:A local radio station was having fun by anaesthetica · · Score: 4, Informative

      They invaded a defacto sovereign nation

      South Ossetia is not a sovereign nation, de facto or otherwise. It's recognized by no one, not even Russia. It's a province of Georgia with a separatist militia operating. Georgia has every right to put down an internal insurgency, Russia has no right to invade another nation.

      This would be like if the United States invaded Russia in 1999 after Putin ordered the army in to put down Maskhadov's separatist forces. Chechnya was de facto sovereign by your standards, having signed a peace treaty with Yeltsin after the first Chechen War.

    43. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "stopping the ongoing genocide" -- that's Russian talking points, just like US invading Iraq for WMD, when will you stop trusting propaganda of people directly involved in the conflict?

      When will we start trusting the propaganda of people not involved, instead?

    44. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Over 1500 civilians killed while asleep under the Georgian fire. They used howitzers and Grad on the city blocks. Do you know what Grad does? It levels an area of 50 hectares. Let me reiterate: Georgian army used Grad to level hectares of city blocks with sleeping civilians.
      Can you say with a straight face that Ossetians did not need a protection? Be careful dispensing the word fool.

    45. Re:A local radio station was having fun by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where'd you get your news from? Interfax? Russian peacekeeping forces were as much peacekeepers as the Chinese military in Tibet.

      There was no support of territorial integrity whatsoever. Unless you call the de facto annexation of South Ossetia by the generic handing out of Russian passports to everybody "preservation of territorial integrity".

      Nice try.

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    46. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Holbrooke called this years ago, he said russians planned to
      instigate this thru sabotage and covert ops.

      It took all this time for the georgians to final snap.

      The russians had troops massed on the border for over a week before
      it all started cranking up.

      This is like those kids that were throwing things at the tiger
      in the zoo and it jumped the fence and killed one, but left other
      non-antagonists alone.

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    47. Re:A local radio station was having fun by flosofl · · Score: 1

      Here here.

      Where? Where?

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    48. Re:A local radio station was having fun by SIR_Taco · · Score: 1

      Well holy crap! Where's the world police when you need them? Oh, yeah, they're busy fighting... oh sorry "keeping the peace and re-establishing order" in another country.

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    49. Re:A local radio station was having fun by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what Americans would have done if several of their peacekeepers were killed ...

      Sure Russian went beyond anything they should do, but they were clearly provoked.

    50. Re:A local radio station was having fun by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      A) Got a source? And Russian news doesn't count here.
      B)I'm fairly familiar with the Grad-1 MRLS (I presume that's what you're referring to). Not sure what using a slightly updated Katyusha in the context of an actual war has to do with Russian empire (re-)building.

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    51. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Georgia has every right to put down an internal insurgency"

      Like Serbia had?

    52. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your last point is partly valid. To make it fully true, tet's make it totally symmetrical:

      If peace treaty between Maskhadov and Yeltsin had included US peace keepers mandate in Chechnya, and if in 1999 Putin would had shelled Grozny (as he did, and you are right, US did not intervene), and if he had attacked US Peackeepers too, this will be really close. Do you think US would have sent more troops to fight with Russians then? I do think so.

    53. Re:A local radio station was having fun by andb52 · · Score: 1

      Well, if the barracks bombing in Lebanon from the 1980s is anything to go by, we'd probably run the hell away.

    54. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to ask everyone a question.
      Why do some countries get recognized as countries and others are not? To me it seems nothing more then political posturing. Why recognition by EU and USA should hold more power in Kosovo, than by Russia over Ossetia, or China over Taiwan? Ossetia has a DEMOCRATIC election, and believe it or not, they voted to be independent. What happen to the "let democracy ring the freedom" now? Why is that because it does not fit USA's political believes? Just like it was in Vietnam? Who gives a right for other people to recognize another country or not unless it is only for political reasons?
      We all condemn China for not recognizing Tibet, but tell me why should USA dictate which country is a country and which one is "not"?
      Pop question, how long did it take for USA to recognize USSR after it became Soviet? In 1933...that is 11 years after it was established. Now how again USA or EU has moral superiority to deny people a right to a country like Ossetia, and yet give one to a fictitious one like Palestine because it servers their purpose.

       

    55. Re:A local radio station was having fun by megaditto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The small fact that the US has been quietly (Or not so quietly) bankrolling georgia's resistance to the russians is mostly ignored by US media (but it's all over the news in Europe).

      Quite clearly we are losing the media war in Europe (battle over their hearts and minds, if you like). The two stories I read on the Brittish and German news are extremely pro-Russia (and strongly anti-US). I think this is yet another sign of our declining power in the world, and it makes me sad.

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    56. Re:A local radio station was having fun by bjourne · · Score: 1

      Definitely so. Actually most of us will never know that is going on but will year the medias version in a few days and trust that. Currently what the media has reported so far is mostly that there is some kind of conflict but they have no journalists on place to make full stories of it. Who will they side with? Is this like Kosovo? Then Russia is NATO, Georgia is Serbia and the Ossettians are Kosovo-Albanians. That would make Russia the good guy, that wont do. Maybe Ossetians are Basque? That could fit with Georgia as Spain. Or maybe they are Kurds... Media will have a hard time assigning the good and bad guy roles in this war.

    57. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russians bombed Georgian military base located at Gori. Explosives stored on the base detonated and destroyed nearby buildings. Russians bomb exclusively military targets that are used to attack Ossetin civilians and Russian troops. Georgians leveled the entire South Ossetian capital and many Ossetian villages. Thousands of Ossetin civilians were killed by Goergian forces. But there are much less reports of this on your bullshit CNN and BBC than about a score of accidentally killed Georgians, who died because they keep munition near living buildings.

      If Russians wanted to bomb Georgian towns they would have used more than 2-3 jets to perform this task. They would do something like Americans did in Iraq. They would strike them with missiles from the safety of 500 hundred kilometers distance. BTW, did they already find Saddam's WMD?

      Watch more of your CNN and BBC bullshit, dumbass Americans.

    58. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fool if you think that Georgia's troops were trained and equipped by America and now enjoy full media support from them for anything else than America's power politics driven goals.

    59. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Dramacrat · · Score: 0
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    60. Re:A local radio station was having fun by dwater · · Score: 1

      I think the answer might be a bit closer to home - ref Tokyo/Hiroshima/Nagaski/Vietnam, and I'm sure plenty of other places.

      Of course, other countries did similar things too, not least the British against Nazi Germany (and vice versa).

      Oh, right - those countries aren't communist, so it must be ok.

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    61. Re:A local radio station was having fun by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
      simple question, the guy claims he speaks russian, has friends locally, so he's going to be a ton better informed than your average ./er, what is *your* claim to authority ? It would seem to me that someone with an ear on the ground is better informed than someone that simply reads the filtered and processed media

      Question: how does following Russian news media make you in any way, shape, or form "better informed"? You're "better informed" because you can listen to Russian government propaganda without translation? I'm a die-hard Democratic liberal and I trust Fox News far more than I'd trust the Russian news media, given that they tend to silence/censor/murder anyone who reports anything that Putin doesn't like. I would trust pretty much any foreign news service- BBC, NPR, or the like- far more than I would trust Russian news. The Russian media are no better than the state-controlled Soviet media at this point. The Western news media has had some pretty disappointing failures (the New York Times and its parroting of White House allegations on WMD come to mind) but given the authoritarian, Stalinist turn that Russia has taken the past few years, my tendency is to treat anything that comes out of Russia as pure government-controlled nationalist propaganda, nothing more. I'm not saying that makes Georgia right and Russia wrong. But the Russian media has about as much credibility as the Weekly World News with its stories about "Bat Boy" and alien abductions.

    62. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Georgia started to shell Ossetian towns and villages and ruined them. There are hundreds of Ossetian civilians killed by Georgian armed forces. In response Russia bomb and shell Georgian military targets. There is a score of Georgian civilians killed in the town of Gori after explosion of a Georgian ammo store on a military base located near living buildings. The reports of Russian full blown invasion of Georgia and shelling of Georgian towns is complete reversal of truth. If the Russia's goal were to destroy Georgian towns, they would use much more powerful weapons, they have a plenty of them.

    63. Re:A local radio station was having fun by temcat · · Score: 1

      Bombing Gori and Poti is not legal even under this mandate. However, what Russians did in Tskhinvali was OK, provided that reports about shelling of Tskhinvali by Georgians are accurate.

    64. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be 100% sure if that is true. I have friends in Georgia and they said that gunshots were fired for a long time at Georgia from South Ossetia at their villages before Georgian government reacted.

      It resembles just what has happened in nearly every border state of Russia. Russia manipulates or buys out some people to cause a little mayhem and then moves in claiming they are protecting the Russians who are in crisis territory while wastly overstating the problems. I am sorry, I live in a border state of Russia myself and I see each year at least once how Russian government liberately lies about its neighbours so I simply don't believe a word they say.

      Also how do you think Russia managed to get so many troops, tanks and planes to Georgia in such short notice? In two days? Also how the conflict started conviniently at the start of Olympics so that everybody would be watching these instead of taking interest in other news.

      I believe that Russia is trying to keep peace when monkeys fly. Do you know that Russia prints children maps of Europe where Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland and Denmark are marked as Russian territory? And they use these at preschools.

    65. Re:A local radio station was having fun by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      Nowhere did I mention russian media. I said 'speaks russian', since all the parties involved speak russian I would expect primary sources to be in russian.

    66. Re:A local radio station was having fun by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      Thanks for pointing this out.

      My friends and I have been expecting a war between Russia and Georgia for a while now. There's been a lot of saber rattling, and one of my friends (a Russian) claimed that Russia would never allow Georgia to join NATO. I expect that's the core source of the conflict as much as anything going on in the region.

    67. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they are responding to an attack because they had 16 peacekeepers get killed in the attack from Georgia.

      How obvious is that? Georgia attacked and killed Russian troops and Ossetian civilians now they are pissed and want to retaliate.

      Americans are being brainwashed to believe Russia is attacking Georgia and that's all. Which is true but it's a retaliation for the aggression from Georgia.

      If Georgia doesn't want a fight they shouldn't have started one and killed civilians in the process.

    68. Re:A local radio station was having fun by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      While what you are saying might very well be the literal truth, it sounds pretty much exactly like the propaganda put out just after 1 September 1939 to justify the invasion of Poland.

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    69. Re:A local radio station was having fun by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Chechnya was de facto sovereign by your standards, having signed a peace treaty with Yeltsin after the first Chechen War.

      The Russians honored the peace agreement until Chechen's invaded Dagestan.

      Yes, the response was over the top, but if the radicals kept well enough alone then then Russia might have not went back in.

      I'll concede the whole Caucasus region has been politically messed up for the past 100 years so one could basically create arguments blaming the Geopolitiks of WWI (Germany, Ottaman Empire, Russian Civil War, Stalin/Lenin) causing the situation we have today down there.

      No one will ever win the argument of who shot first. You'll have to work on who is going to shoot last.

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    70. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      simple question, the guy claims he speaks russian, has friends locally, so he's going to be a ton better informed than your average ./er, what is *your* claim to authority ?

      He's asking for a citation. A simple verification of facts.

      It would seem to me that someone with an ear on the ground is better informed than someone that simply reads the filtered and processed media, which can't help but always paint russia as the boogey man, even if there is no apparent reason to do so. In this particular case it seems that all the hype paints russia as the aggressor, whereas all the more informed sources paint georgia as the aggressor.

      Oh, and you believe everything you read on the internet? You're a dumb motherfucker. Again, he was simply trying to pin down the number.

      The small fact that the US has been quietly (Or not so quietly) bankrolling georgia's resistance to the russians is mostly ignored by US media (but it's all over the news in Europe).

      Since I've seen this on BBC myself, I won't call you on it, because you're right.

      Do not lambast somebody simply because they requested verification of your information from another source.

      "Because I said so and I know people in the area and I speak the language" isn't good enough.

      Let me guess, you're an anti-US frog. Newsflash: many of us don't like our current administration (I sure as hell think they're the worst in the last sixty years, minimum). Many of us realize our media is biased (to say the least) This does not mean, however, that Eurotrash get a "free pass" in stating what is true and what is not without backing it up.

    71. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      In South Ossetia? That's improbable.

      It's a very poor territory and it's main export is crushed rocks. There's also a little of arable land.

      There's a big oil pipeline south of South Ossetia, but it was not hit or targeted.

    72. Re:A local radio station was having fun by lennier · · Score: 1

      "Quite clearly we are losing the media war in Europe (battle over their hearts and minds, if you like). The two stories I read on the Brittish and German news are extremely pro-Russia (and strongly anti-US). I think this is yet another sign of our declining power in the world, and it makes me sad."

      Why do you think that power over the 'hearts and minds' of allegedly free people is inherently a *good* thing? Seriously, on what planet does that ideology even *begin* to make sense?

      The world's hearts and minds are their own. Quit thinking you own them and have the right to control them.

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    73. Re:A local radio station was having fun by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      And if you'd have followed the story for a bit longer, you'd realize that this was a damn near inevitable outcome of Russia's approach to "protecting" South Ossetia from Georgia.

      Yes, as if South Ossetia needed protection from freedom loving Georgians who after all were liberating the shit out of them until the big bad Russians came.

      Georgia is a friendly, peace loving country and the reason everyone and his dog wants independence from them is just the big bad Russians supporting terrorists.

      Of course Russia is hypocritical after the whole Chechnya thing but they can just recycle all the platitudes the US came up with for Kosovo and Iraq.

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    74. Re:A local radio station was having fun by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      > Let me guess, you're an anti-US frog.

      And you're a moron and so far off base it's not even funny, but hey, you're anonymous so who cares.

      I've probably got more friends in the US than I have in Europe.

      It's quite easy to separate the concepts of 'country', 'people' and 'government'. But you're apparently not able to do so.

    75. Re:A local radio station was having fun by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's my point -- it's not supposed to be hit or targeted but kept in someone's possession....

    76. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      It's NOT in Ossetia. It's a bit south of Ossetian border.

    77. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't help laughing. Russia has basically taken the play-book we used when we "liberated" Kosovo from the Serbs (Russia's friends) and is now using it against our friends. Anyone who didn't see this coming when we gave Kosovo pseudo-independence earlier this year is a blind fool.

      I bet they'll even set up a nice, impartial, war crimes tribunal to try the all the predominant political figures from the losing side. It's what we did.

    78. Re:A local radio station was having fun by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I can't help laughing. Russia has basically taken the play-book we used when we "liberated" Kosovo from the Serbs (Russia's friends) and is now using it against our friends. Anyone who didn't see this coming when we gave Kosovo pseudo-independence earlier this year is a blind fool.

      I noticed that too. Putin and Medvedev are repeating almost exactly the same things that the US and EU said about Bosnia and Kosovo.

      I bet they'll even set up a nice, impartial, war crimes tribunal to try the all the predominant political figures from the losing side. It's what we did.

      Well, they claim genocide, so I guess they'll have to. And who's going to stop them?

      Ofcourse Russia playing hardball like that is going to hurt their relations with the EU and the US, but do they care? Can the EU afford and embargo on Russia, with all the gas we're importing from them?

    79. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      well, US econome already exported too much white hats to Georgia, altogether with military advisors, money, armor and weapons. Georgia's military budget was increased 30 times last year - US investments.

    80. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      One thing. about 90 percent of people in Ossetia - are russian citisens, they have Russian passports.

    81. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      And even more interesting, the agreement behind this mandate is signed by Georgia too.

    82. Re:A local radio station was having fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also have no idea if he's telling the truth.

    83. Re:A local radio station was having fun by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Pipelines do indeed run through the capital of Georgia - catch a clue, dood.....

  3. On to Atlanta, boys! by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    The Russians are on the way to burn Atlanta again. Sherman would be proud.

    1. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just Atlanta? Why stop there?

      PatRIOTically,
      Kilgore Trout

    2. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by ya+really · · Score: 1

      The Russians are on the way to burn Atlanta again

      I must have been asleep during US History class, when did the Russians burn down the first time?

    3. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by thealsir · · Score: 1

      woosh

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    4. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by AJ+Mexico · · Score: 1

      The Russians are too late to burn Georgia,USA, the Yankees got there first.

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    5. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      The baseball team? :)

    6. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, Sherman marches from the sea!

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    7. Re:On to Atlanta, boys! by kchrist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shortly after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

  4. Clueless journalist instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we sure this isn't yet another case of another clueless journalist not doing a damn bit of research, just going to Google Maps and typing Georgia? Guess what comes up when you do that? Yep, good 'ol Georgia, USA.

    1. Re:Clueless journalist instead? by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      The image database is often seperate from the articles and the company hosting the article often adds an image to emphasise.

      I remember this exact thing happening with a Yahoo article a while ago. Can't remember a thing about it unfortunatly, all I remember is the story was about something in the U.S., and the image was of a U.K. footballer and the link was in the player's last name.

    2. Re:Clueless journalist instead? by yelvington · · Score: 1

      Are we sure this isn't yet another case of another clueless journalist not doing a damn bit of research, just going to Google Maps and typing Georgia? Guess what comes up when you do that? Yep, good 'ol Georgia, USA.

      Yes. It's also a case of another clueless Anonymous Coward posting without following the links.

      Pages whose URL begins "http://afp.google.com/" are hosted on Google's servers, built by Google from the Agence France-Presse NewsML feed.

      Google adds its own maps.

      Proper locative tagging should make this impossible.

      NITF, which is the text markup standard assumed by NewsML, supports ISO country codes in location tags, but AFP may not have used them. I don't know; I don't have access to an AFP feed. It's common for wire services (and their customers) to underutilize the capabilities of the XML standards.

      In any case, either Google has corrected the error or subsequent versions of the story contained enough information for Google's algorithms not to repeat the error.

    3. Re:Clueless journalist instead? by Johnny+Chinpo · · Score: 1

      Well when I googled "Georgia" I got news results for the current situation in the former Soviet republic.

  5. War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Erm... There's a war starting and all I see on /. is a joke article about it? This makes me sick. I hope you /.ers are intelligent enough to realize that not everything you're seeing in the news about this conflict is true and that the Russian troops that were first fired upon were there at the behest of the UN. Here's another interesting tidbit: http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/09-08-2008/106046-russia_georgia-0

    1. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When their tagline is "War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA" one tends to not necessarily trust the source.

    2. Re:War by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Why? Saakashvili is pretty much NATO's lapdog. He came to power amid a series of pretty much US-encouraged (if not orchestrated, but the money trail is obvious) "colored revolutions" in many of the Post-Soviet Republics. Everything Saakashvili has done as a president has destabilized the situation in the Caucasus.

    3. Re:War by thealsir · · Score: 1

      Linking to Pravda...now that's CERTAINLY an unbiased source.

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    4. Re:War by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, we know, the American Zionist Space Lizards control everything that happens in the world. By the way ... that chip we put in your head needs a firmware upgrade. You may want to drop by the nearest NWO facility so we can flash it for you.

      P.S. Failure to comply will result in personality erasure.

      See you soon!

    5. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, nobody really knows (and probably never will know) who fired first. Given hair-trigger reaction times, we're likely talking tenths of a second. It seems entirely plausible, given the timing and the attitudes, that Georgia fired first OR were ordered to fire first (whether or not they actually did so). Regardless, Russia will probably annex both of the territories under dispute, and Chechen's rebels may well decide taking what's left of Georgia easier than claiming their actual home from Russia. I predict that the region will suffer enormous suppression, regardless of who wins, because that's what happens after wars.

    6. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, we know, the American Zionist Space Lizards control everything(...)
      I don't respond to Anonymous Cowards. And, no, I am NOT an American.

      You're just an idiot.

    7. Re:War by quickgold192 · · Score: 1

      i laughed when I read title, I laughed when I saw the graphic, then read the text of the article:

      "Ambulances cannot move, hospitals are reported to be overflowing, surgery is taking place in corridors," ... People are sheltering in their basements with no electricity or access to communications, ... many buildings and houses have been destroyed and that only military personnel are moving on the streets," ... "Water is also in short supply -- a chronic problem... most transport has stopped and shops are running out of food,"

      and I stopped laughing

    8. Re:War by scaryjohn · · Score: 1

      Erm... There's a war starting and all I see on /. is a joke article about it? This makes me sick.

      War starts in Eastern Europe. Tragic, but not necessarily news for nerds. More importantly, you can read about it elsewhere.

      War starts in Eastern Europe. And the single largest information broker on the Internet says the conflict is on the wrong side of the world. Either because of immediate human error or prior bad programming. Definitely related to nerdly pursuits. Unlikely to see the story elsewhere.

      While I'm sure we would all like Slashdot to be our own vision of a perfect news aggregator, I've got to say their editorial decisions in what to report are consistent with their main mission.

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    9. Re:War by n+dot+l · · Score: 1

      How does the joke go? Ah yes. "I miss the USSR, because you could always easily identify the truth - everything in Pravda was a lie." It sounds better in Russian, I'm sure.

    10. Re:War by thealsir · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, it maintains that reputation, even through "democratic" Russia. Look at how inflammatory that news article is. Really, I'm not sure if the great grandparent's post is a troll or a shill, or simply blinded by the propaganda.

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  6. What's so funny about an illegal war? by pallmall1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who put the humor tag on this story? Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

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    1. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by loonycyborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where's the outrage against genocide of Ossetian people attempted by Georgia's "military"?

    2. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

      Right out there with the Western oh-so-sanctimonious "outrage" at Serbs opposing the Kosovars declaring independence from Serbia. What's good for the goose...

    3. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who put the humor tag on this story? Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

      But... But... they have weapons of mass destruction!

    4. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who put the humor tag on this story? Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

      Well, there isn't any way to blame Bush/Cheney/Haliburton/Exxon/Israel/Hitler so no one cares.

      No strong condemnation at the UN, no strong condemnation from the "progressive" European capitals either - they're too busy praising the Obamassiah.

    5. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by ya+really · · Score: 1

      Who put the humor tag on this story?

      Savannah, Georgia

      WOOSH...

      you (somewhere far below and a little grumpy)

      On a more serious note, yes it's horrible Russia is doing this and it could set a nasty precedent for them to do it elsewhere in the former Soviet States. If they get away with this, what would keep them from say, invading East Ukraine, which has a high population of Pro-Russian supporters? Sadly, I don't see any Western Countries comming to the aid of the opposing forces against Russia. No one out there seems to want to upset Russia.

      Also, I'm pretty sure this article was accepted to /. because of the tech (humorous) side of it, not for the poltical reasons. That's what the BBC is for.

    6. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should all of us be outraged at goings on in the Russian Empire?

      Such outrage would be predicated on our individual relationship to the region, if we had a dog in that fight, which side that dog was on, and how much we cared about that dog vs. others.

      I, for example, consider that the Ossetia mess will do useful damage to Russia and might wake up a few Europeans to the reality that the Russian is still their historic enemy.

      I'm not "outraged" because I figure the Georgian leadership rolled the dice and should have expected a possible negative outcome. (Next time, collapse the Roki tunnel!) I am interested.

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    7. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Genocide? You are a fucking idiot. They were in rebellion, and over the past 5 years, there have been 1400 casualties (go look up the facts before you post the propaganda).

      This is purely Putin's power politics, aimed at getting posession of the oil pipeline in the BCT pipe that runs in Georgia, as well as bringing to heel a western democracy that they dont want on the border of their gangster state.

      Any ethnic stuff there is merely cover for brute force by the Russians.

    8. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      that's most likely because even though the people in western europe know in their hearts the soviet empire fell apart it still registers as a soviet internal affair because that's been the situation for so long.

      Imagine the USA imploding and texas declaring war on one of it's neighbouring states. There would not be much condemnation then either, it would be seen as one us state waging war on another, even though the larger entity no longer exists.

    9. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the outrage against genocide of Ossetian people attempted by Georgia's "military"?

      It's in Russia's state-controlled media. That should be your first clue.

      Second clue is what would a massive civilian slaughter ("genocide"? get a dictionary) benefit the Georgian government, which is absolutely desperate for Western support? Never mind the lack of military utility.

      Don't presume I'm particulary friendly to Georgia over this territory dispute. It's actually quite complicated, and I think Saakashvili was a complete idiot to invade the disputed area.

    10. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be honest with you; nobody cares.

      Welcome to the 21st century.

      P.S. Even if we wanted to do something, who's going to stop the Russians? American and NATO forces are all tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe we could threaten economic sanctions [lol] or nuclear war [rofl].

    11. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by ya+really · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's another thing to worry about as well. A major pipeline that delivers over 1% of the world's supply of oil (most of it bound for Western Europe) could be at risk. The pipeline flows from Azerbaijan (A major oil producer and non-OPEC nation), into Georgia and finally to the Black Sea. We need that pipeline to stay intact to keep the amount of oil we get from OPEC to stay at the level it is now. I'm sure Russia wouldnt mind "accidentally" destroying this or other oil related structures in Georgia. In fact they already have come close.

      The Interior Ministry said Russian warplanes also bombed the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital of Tbilisi and struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. The ministry said two other military bases were hit, and that Russian warplanes also bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility.

    12. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's so funny about an illegal war?

      Where can I find a legal one?

      Who put the humor tag on this story?

      Probably someone who likes word games, or thinks it's funny when AIs get tripped up by ambiguous terms.

      Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

      Without knowing the background, how do we know that outrage would be appropriate? Now, "oh crap, I hope it doesn't spread" might be appropriate...

    13. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Hanyin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree with you that this humor bit is just insulting but what do you mean outrage against an invasion? What are you smoking? Fox News? Find some real news and figure out that Georgia opened fire on ten UN-sanctioned Russian peacekeepers and executed the injured with a bullet to their heads rather than let doctors attend to them. Lets not forget about the military exercises Georgia and US partook in last month or that the Georgian president himself holds a US passport. I wonder who benefits more from this destabilization, the country that's fighting its neighbors (and evacuated the women and children from the region last week) or the country that's been screwing with the entire region for far too long.

    14. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 0, Troll

      Same place as the outrage over Iraq.

      Maybe it slipped down the back of the sofa while everyone was distracted by the drummers with glowsticks.

    15. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Peregr1n · · Score: 1

      I have no desire to enter a political argument here, but I feel the +5 insightful parent should be balanced by the point that South Ossetians have struggled for independence from Georgia since the early 90s, and have had stronger ties with Russia than Georgia for a long time. It was Georgia 'invading' South Ossetia that sparked the conflict - and even if you don't recognise South Ossetia as a country, you have to admit that this upset the fragile balance. I'm not sure how the conflict is being portrayed in the USA - there's been quite a PR battle raging in the ex-Soviet states, with America and Russia battling over business and cultural ties; it wouldn't surprise me if the American news reports come out heavily in Georgian favour (likewise, Russian news reports supporting the South Ossetians).

    16. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

      Where's the outrage against the illegal American invasion of Iraq?

    17. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      The story isn't about the illegal(? what makes a war legal?) war (that would be another another article, here under politics or in other site), is about Google News misplacing it in the same way that was Cuil misplacing images to search results (thing that had some comments about in google's blog). The funny tag is just about it, the misplacing of the image, not about the war.

      Next stop, complaining about the funny tag on Darwin Awards stories.

    18. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little more complicated than that. When the Soviet Union collapsed in the 1990's, it was partitioned into several independent states including Georgia. The partition was established so that ethnic Russians in the province of South Ossetia were placed in Georgia, while the same people in North Ossetia were placed in Russia. Since then, a separatist movement in Georgia wanted South Ossetia to secede and be annexed by Russia, and there has been a lot of fighting over the past 10 years over this issue.

      Eventually, Moscow dispatched a "peacekeeping force" to South Ossetia to maintain stability, although it wasn't exactly neutral in the fight because Moscow wants to annex the region. A few days ago, the Georgians "invaded" South Ossetia and, according to the Russians, began ethnically cleansing the people there. Since Moscow was protecting the Georgians with their troops stationed there, it retaliated by invading.

      Ultimately, the conflict is quite complicated and once again illustrates that politicians drawing the borders of countries can set the stage for decades of warfare and suffering for the civilians caught in the middle.

    19. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      and might wake up a few Europeans to the reality that the Russian is still their historic enemy.

      Maybe in some parts of Europe but not for most of us. I'm British. France is our historic enemy. We quite like the Russians. If I were French then I guess Britain would be my historic enemy. If I were Dutch then maybe Spain? And so on.

    20. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by General+Wesc · · Score: 1

      This article isn't about the invasion. It's about the Google News error in reporting it. If you can handle jokes with any connection to serious issues then you'd do well to avoid Slashdot, along with most every other aspect of the Internet and real life alike.

    21. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Johnny+Chinpo · · Score: 1

      The Caspian Sea is not too far away either.

    22. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Yep. The parent is a typical clueless American.

      South Osetia and Abkhazia were de-facto independent for 15 (fifteen) years - looong before Putin.

    23. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      No, it's everywhere on Russian blogs. We have some first-hand accounts from people in Osetia: http://scrolllock.livejournal.com/62364.html

      Moreover, Saakhasvili himself declared that '1500 Osetinian bandints were destroyed'.

    24. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Uhm...

      Maybe because Georgian president calls Bush his best friend?

      Maybe because Georgia right now fights with America-supplied weapons with army trained by American instructors?

    25. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by mindas · · Score: 1

      Where was the intelligence of Ossetian people when they've got Russian passports? Once sold your soul to devil, you can't get away.

    26. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by andreyw · · Score: 1

      The have been defacto sovereign since 1992. Never been a part of Georgia. Georgia claiming so after the fall of USSR doesn't make it so.

      And yes - Genocide. That's what happened until a 1992 moratorium was enforced. It is also what is happening now, apparently. The casualties on the Ossetian side now are 2000 civilians and counting. Plus countless wounded and thousands displaced and with a refugee status fleeing to Northern Ossetia.

      But hey, just keep watching CNN, the Beeb, and FOX and calling others "fucking idiots".

    27. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by andreyw · · Score: 1

      State-controlled? No more so than FOX and CNN.

      Sooo... how's Iraq going?

    28. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Why should all of us be outraged at goings on in the Russian Empire?

      The outrage is because it's outside the Russian empire.

      I, for example, consider that the Ossetia mess will do useful damage to Russia and might wake up a few Europeans to the reality that the Russian is still their historic enemy.

      Only in recent history. Before WW1, Russia had often been allied with several western European countries (although often with the intention of beating up some other European country).

    29. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Maybe in some parts of Europe but not for most of us. I'm British. France is our historic enemy.

      As far as I know, France and the UK have been allies for well over a century now. (And Russia was allied to France in WW1.)

      If I were Dutch then maybe Spain? And so on.

      That's getting really historic. We've had much more recent wars with England, France and Germany. And Belgium, even! Looks like we don't get along well with any of our neighbours.

    30. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      I am surprised there are so many people here who now think it's alright to invade another country without UN permission. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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    31. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that was true, it would be horrible they'd better just give up now. What is the last war of the 50+ wars USA has fought did they win?

    32. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by mindas · · Score: 1

      BP which runs the pipeline is not aware of any damage done to it. They've said the pipeline stopped working 6th Aug but only because of technical glitches which are completely unrelated to the war. There's some coverage here, if you can read Russian: http://lenta.ru/news/2008/08/10/bp/ (they reference AFP, however I was unable to find the actual reference)

    33. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by daveime · · Score: 1

      And that's why the world is so fucked up ... because there are people like you who think it IS ACCEPTABLE to kill someone WITH UN permission.

    34. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by ya+really · · Score: 1

      Where's the outrage against the illegal American invasion of Iraq?

      I guess you've missed most of the comments on /. the past 5 years

    35. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Zombie · · Score: 1

      Belgium? That depends on whose history books you've been reading. I'd say the dispute over the southern Netherlands which led to the creation of Belgium was one with France, not with a state that didn't yet exist. History is always written with an agenda. It's clear from the discussions about Russia vs. Georgia and the US vs. Iraq in the comments on this story that that's not going to change any time soon.

    36. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's odd, because if they're fighting with American weapons, why here in Iraq do they not use them? I've got Georgians on my base and all I've seen them use are the SVD, NSV (admittedly on HMMVs), AK-74, etc. Not a single M9, 249, or even the lowly M16/4 have been seen being carried by any of them. Of course, that information probably doesn't jive with your view of the world being that America is so bad and everything evil comes from it. But oh well.

    37. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      "Genocide" is a completely over-the-top description of what's going on. Attacking the Ossetian separatist militia does not constitute genocide.

      I saw the same label being used by Russia Today cable news. Parroting Russian propaganda on /. is a new low.

    38. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by ThomConspicuous · · Score: 1

      Georgia bombed peaceful Russians based in South Ossetia per an agreement between both nations in a treaty. Russia responded. This is not an 'invasion', just Russia putting the smackdown on an unruly neighbor. I find it very humorous that G.W. is reportedly pleading with both countries to stop their war.

    39. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      I also wondered why they didn't collapse that tunnel, or at least severely damage the Entrance/Exit.. I mean if you were worried about Russian interference it would only make military sense... Actually regardless of this outcome, it would probably solve a lot of problems to destroy it anyway.

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    40. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the Georgian president himself holds a US passport

      Can you verify this?

    41. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia
      Georgia Gets Its War OnMcCain Gets His Brain Plaque
      By Mark Ames

      The outbreak of war in Georgia on Friday offers a disturbing and somewhat surreal taste of what to expect from John McCain should he become our nations Commander in Chief. As the centuries-old ethnic animosities between Georgia and Ossetia boiled over into another armed conflict, drawing in neighboring Russia, McCain issued a stark-raving statement from Des Moines that is disturbingly reminiscent of the language used in the lead-up to NATOs war against Yugoslavia in 1999, a war McCain zealously pushed for:

      We should immediately call a meeting of the North Atlantic Council to assess Georgias security and review measures NATO can take to contribute to stabilizing this very dangerous situation, McCain said.

      Calling on NATO to stabilize this dangerous situation is not going down well with Russia, where images of dead Russian peacekeepers and of frightened Ossetian refugees streaming across its borders have put the country in a very vengeful mood. Its hard to imagine what measures NATO could take under a McCain presidency, but in the mind of a man who thinks US troops should stay in Iraq for 100 years, and who runs around singing Bomb Bomb Iran! its not hard to guessand even harder not to be horrified by what it may mean come January 2009, should he win.

      McCains call to NATO-ize the war is not only frightening, its also delusional: both NATO and US forces are already stretched beyond the breaking point, even by Joint Chief of Staff chairman Michael Millens own recent assessment.

      But McCains brain remains undeterred by reality, a fact that became painfully clear today in Des Moines when he also demanded, The US should immediately convene an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to call on Russia to reverse course.

      The problem with McCains bold demand about going to the UN is that Russia already tried doing exactly what McCain called forand got rejected by McCains neocon pals in the Bush Administration. Early this morning, Russia convened an emergency session of the UN Security Council, calling on both sides to immediately cease hostilities, return to the negotiating table and renounce the use of forcebut the last part about renouncing the use of force is exactly what Georgias president Mikhail Saakashvili refuses to do.

      The Bush Administration showed that it too has no patience with crunchy renounce the use of force resolutions. According to a Reuters report from earlier in the day:

      At the request of Russia, the U.N. Security Council held an emergency session in New York but failed to reach consensus early Friday on a Russian-drafted statement.

      The council concluded it was at a stalemate after the United States, Britain and some other members backed the Georgians in rejecting a phrase in the three-sentence draft statement that would have required both sides to renounce the use of force, council diplomats said.

      The meaning of this is clear: the United States and Britain are backing Saakashvilis invasion. Why would we back Saakashvilis reckless war, when last year even Bush was denouncing the Pinochet-wannabes violent attack on his own people during a peaceful opposition protest in Georgias capital, as well as shutting down the opposition media and exiling of political opponents? That would be a brain-teaser if the last seven years hadnt answered this question so many painful times already.

      But with McCain, answering this is a little trickier. When he issued todays Des Moines statement calling for Russia to do what Russia already did a few hours earlier, you have to ask yourself: either McCains short-term memory is totally shot, encased in an impenetrable tomb of aluminum-zirconium plaque or worse, McCain simply doesnt give a damn about reality, he just wants to get Georgias war on, as badly as Saakashvili does.

      The awful truth is probably a combination of the two, which is the worst of all worlds, considering McCains raving Russophobia, and his campaign teams

    42. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the more important part of the pipeline is already closed due to an unrelated attack in Turkey by the Kurdistan Worker's Party and won't be fixed for 5 weeks.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan_pipeline#Security

      But yeah, Russia is working on extending that timeline...

    43. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

      If that was true, it would be horrible they'd better just give up now. What is the last war of the 50+ wars USA has fought did they win?

      Well, technically, the last war the US fought in was World War II. The Allies won that one. But, I'm guessing that you're using the general sense of the word, which is fine.

      Other than Vietnam, what conflict has the US lost?

      The last "war" the US fought, not counting minor stuff in Balkans (which the US-supported side won), would be the Gulf War (which the US won).

      So, what are you smoking again?

    44. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Russia doesn't want to damage it now. That's too easy. It wants CONTROL over it - to shut it off at politically convenient times, or to extract maximum cash from the dependent nations.

      This war has nothing to do with Ossetia, and all to do with Russia wanting to become a world power through the use and abuse of energy distribution.

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    45. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my reading on this (admittedly mostly via BBC and other news commentary) the whole situations smells of Russia stoking the fire for long enough to catch a flame. Even if they did go in as peacekeepers for the disputed region, they still supplied and armed a seperatist movement. It seems to me they want to make an issue out of it and kept it going for long enough for Georgia to want to do something about it.

      I am not buying into the whole genocide thing - the facts of that wont be known for a long time, if ever - the details are just too sketchy and the reports from both sides reek of the sort of propaganda reporting from Iraq II.

      The thing that tips it for me is Russia's apparent increase in resuming cold war style military activities - long range aircraft patrols, military spending etc. Again, I take it with a grain of salt that it might be biased western reporting of this, but the rhetoric from the Kremlin seems to match it.

      I see this playing out as Russia pushing its claims out futher based on either some convenient event which they will use to justify completing the operation. The US/UN will comdemn but ultimately the US is in no position to do anything given the resource constraints of Iraq, so it will be a piss an moan event.

      And as usual, the anonymous civilians on the ground will take the heat for it.

    46. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Where's the outrage against Russia's invasion of a sovereign country?

      *Sigh* .. OK, if we must, let's get the requisite sanctimonious feigned "armchair outrage" out the way. Oh, this is so horrific! ... OK, I've done my bit, is my conscience clear to continue doing nothing about it anyway now?

      There is a pragmatic problem here - if one's "outrage" is truly genuine (rather than a show for others), then it would suggest you truly cared, and if you truly cared, you'd realise that it doesn't make sense to be selectively and opportunistically "outraged" only at the occasional news that stumbles in your path, but rather that you should keep up with all the horrors continuing in every corner of the world all the time - and then you'd realise that we'd all have to be outraged 24 hours a day, and also feeling guilty 24 hours a day for actually enjoying any moment of our lives. Not only is the world a horrific place, but never in human history has it been so easy to find so much information on every ongoing horror in every corner of the world at the click of a button from your armchair whenever you want.

      I'm tired of phony pretentious displays of faux outrage intended to demonstrate one's personal moral superiority but lacking any intention to try do anything about the situation; by showing the requisite outrage for five seconds, you feel you've cleared your conscience.

    47. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      Wars become legal when a declaration has been made. Writing "I declare war on you" and popping it in the post makes us in a legal state of war - so I won't do that ;-).

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    48. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you understand that bombing sleeping city with "Grad" multiple rocket launchers and literally destroying the city is a bit different than "attacking militia"?

    49. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Belgium? That depends on whose history books you've been reading. I'd say the dispute over the southern Netherlands which led to the creation of Belgium was one with France, not with a state that didn't yet exist.

      I'm talking about the secession of Belgium from the united Netherlands in the 19th century. We had a short and not very successful military campaign.

    50. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Zombie · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. That's what I'm referring to as well.

    51. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of websites where you can read and write Russian propaganda if that's what floats your boat. Im sure if the internet had been around in 1939, we could have read widely about how the Poles attacked Germany, triggering WWII

    52. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Maybe because Georgian president calls Bush his best friend?

      "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship." - Bush on Putin

    53. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Well, that tells a lot about Putin too.

    54. Re:What's so funny about an illegal war? by aevans · · Score: 1

      Well, South Ossetia de facto no longer sovereign since Saakashvili imposed Georgian sovereingty a few days ago. So the Russians invaded de facto (and de jure) Georgian territory. And weren't these people being genocided supposedly Russians -- are you claiming Russians have been genocided? You, sir, are a fucking idiot. And a twit.

  7. google by alxkit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google News Has Russian Army Invading Savannah, GA

    so... ummm... russian army works for google?

    1. Re:google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In soviet google, Russia invades you!

  8. Since I live in Georgia, by Slithe · · Score: 0

    I guess I should help organize the resistance. WOLVERINES!!! (Wait a minute) BULLDOGS!!! (That's better)

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    1. Re:Since I live in Georgia, by MonkWB · · Score: 1

      not terribly good, I'd rather you have said Yellow Jackets.

  9. Is this the state of Modern Education? by El+Bigote · · Score: 1

    "Are we sure this isn't yet another case of another clueless journalist..." Or, is this simply a good indicator of the state of modern education?

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    1. Re:Is this the state of Modern Education? by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      there's a difference?

    2. Re:Is this the state of Modern Education? by El+Bigote · · Score: 1

      Yes. When I went to school (as a student and not as a teacher), we were taught where other countries were on this globe. Those who did not pay attention in class got to learn the lesson when they were drafted and invaded those countries with which the government used to teach geography.

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  10. Fried Green Tomatoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sign on barbecue restaurant in Georgia: Come in today and try our new Russian Dressing.

  11. have the Russian tank commanders been notified? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo dude... not to be disrespectful or anything, but I think you guys may be invading the wrong Georgia.

  12. Proctological exam, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's wonderful sometimes..

    I was looking at a story a few weeks ago, and the accompanying graphic (erroneously) depicted a silicone medical dummy receiving a mock prostate exam.

    I would find the image, but alas, I am at work. Hence the anonymous cowardice.

    Oddly enough, my captcha word happens to be 'rectum'.

  13. Instead of "Gloucester Island"... by n0dna · · Score: 1

    Think "King's Bay."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russians_Are_Coming,_the_Russians_Are_Coming

    If you haven't seen it, give it a shot.

  14. OH! NOOOO! by rts008 · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  15. They'd be petrified . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . and buried in HOT GRITS. (Wow, that takes me back!)

  16. why? by nawcom · · Score: 0, Troll

    Why did it take so damn long to get rid of the fucking hicks... good riddance..

  17. Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by damburger · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could've been one of those near misses for world war 3...

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    1. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about George Bush seeing this than the Pentagon.

    2. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully, he'll be in the middle of a terrific story about a pet goat when he's given the news.

    3. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      That may actually be a more insightful comment than you know. Georgia has been making progress towards NATO membership, and under article 5 of the NATO treaty this attack by Russia would have to be responded by all of NATO.

    4. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Or slapping the backside of a volleyball player.

    5. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by bishop32x · · Score: 1

      I believe he was meeting the beach volleyball teams at the Olympics at the time...

    6. Re:Anyone at the pentagon use google news? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      nope. georgia is a part of asia, not of europe, so there wouldn't be a response.
      anyway, a NATO response can mean just condolence.

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  18. Editorializing in summary? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S

    I am actually quite amazed that /. would put such an inflamatory phrase like that into a summary. By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait? I do believe that while we are at the olympics, many people are 'proud' of their country, heritage or race. However, in light of the olympics, this is a positive thing as we cheer in the name of sport and friendly competition. The usage in the summary, gives the impression that all Georgian's are Klansman. One should note that Georgia has a higher percentage of African Americans (29%) than the US average http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13000.html, and I'm sure they are proud of being from Georgia.

    Why not describe other countries that are predominantly Caucasian such as Sweden, or Ireland in the same manner?

    Other uses that you should try:

    Arab-pride-ridden (Iraq)
    Jewish-price-ridden (Israel)
    Linux-pride-ridden (./)

    1. Re:Editorializing in summary? by msparshatt · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed the fact that that phrase came from TFA.

    2. Re:Editorializing in summary? by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make it any less insulting.

    3. Re:Editorializing in summary? by ya+really · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jewish-price-ridden (Israel)

      Haha, I've heard all the stereotype jokes before, but is that a typo or a Freudian Slip?

    4. Re:Editorializing in summary? by elnico · · Score: 4, Informative

      You also may have missed that it was intended mostly as a play on words.

      ...the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state...

      Get it? Caucasus, caucasian? Nothing?

    5. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      Yes.

      It's the height of stupidity to be proud of something which (1) you had nothing to do with and cannot change and (2) which is only relevant to bigots and racists and an irrelevant detail to everyone else--it has absolutely no practical relevance. It's like having pride in your eye color. You should be ridiculed for holding such a position.

    6. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am actually quite amazed that /. would put such an inflamatory phrase like that into a summary.

      And quite seriously, considering Georgia is only 60% white, I'd hardly say it's "ridden."

    7. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 1

      You have a fairly low id number, so I take it you're an old timer. Welcome to the new Slashdot, soon to be renamed SlashDigg, where a bunch of immature adolescent boys who spew inflammatory summaries and comments have taken over.

    8. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 1

      Are you calling the "Black Pride" movement the height of stupidity??!!! How dare ye!

    9. Re:Editorializing in summary? by orzetto · · Score: 1

      [...] are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      How would that be a good trait?

      1. Races do not exist. DNA measurements demonstrate that average distance between whites and blacks is much lower than variation among whites or among blacks. If you believe in races you are already qualifying yourself as a fool.
      2. If you are proud to be white|black|yellow, you are an imbecile. Whatever your "race" has achieved in history, you have had no merit whatsoever in it.

      I am Italian and I am not proud of it because Leonardo da Vinci (or Marconi, or Mazzini, or Bresci) was an Italian as well, because I have no reason to share his merit for everything he achieved. If you need to say that you are proud of being from a place, a social group, an ethnic group, it probably means you have achieved so little in your life that you more or less consciously try to piggyback on people that you somehow associate with.

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    10. Re:Editorializing in summary? by mazarin5 · · Score: 1

      By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      I think you and every other person in this country knows damn well that "white pride" is a euphemistic banner used by violent and ignorant bigots. Feigning incredulity doesn't disguise that fact at all.

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    11. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely, in that respect. Working for equality is something completely different and it involves no "pride" in what your skin color happens to be. In fact, precisely the opposite is the case: it involves the realization that race is an irrelevant detail about a person and should be treated as such. That is an antithetical position to holding pride in the fact that you happen to have skin of such-and-such a color.

    12. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am actually quite amazed that /. would put such an inflamatory phrase like that into a summary.

      It's a quote from the second linked article.

    13. Re:Editorializing in summary? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      Anyone should be proud of who they are, no matter what they are. Except if they're white. Then that's racism. If you're white then you should feel guilty about it, and feel sorry about ruling the most of the world for 5 centuries. I'm joking, but you know you'd have your silent internal "racist! racist!" alarm going off if you heard someone say they're proud to be white. And people these days who have a choice (partially white people, white latinos or Mediterraneans) are so quick to dissociate themselves from the white race, it's like no one wants to be white anymore.

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    14. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was a "play on words" involving the N-word, you'd see a much different reaction.

      And don't even try to deny it.

    15. Re:Editorializing in summary? by winmine · · Score: 1

      Jewish-price-ridden (Israel)

      Freudian slip?

    16. Re:Editorializing in summary? by ultramk · · Score: 0, Troll

      It isn't really inflammatory unless you're some kind of racist. Just saying.

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    17. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Zombie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      Yes.

      It's the height of stupidity to be proud of something which (1) you had nothing to do with and cannot change and (2) which is only relevant to bigots and racists and an irrelevant detail to everyone else--it has absolutely no practical relevance. It's like having pride in your eye color. You should be ridiculed for holding such a position.

      So patriotism (there go the Olympics), the aspect of female emancipation that insists that women should be proud to be women etc. are all right out? Is gay pride still OK or are you in the camp of people who theorise that you can't help being a homosexual, because if you are, draw your conclusions.

      What's left of a person's self respect? Sorry pal, I respect your opinion, but I'm afraid most people on this planet disagree with you.

    18. Re:Editorializing in summary? by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 1

      And don't even try to deny it.

      Category : People that annoy you ...

      | | N | _ | G | G | E | R | S | |

      I wouldn't say the reaction would be very big if done well.

      / south park
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    19. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of people are proud of their European heritage, and no one thinks of calling them racist. Your issue seems to be completely with the word "white". (The word "Aryan" has a similar problem.) It reminds people of the KKK. Just don't use it.

    20. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot didn't originally write it; the website it linked to did. Slashdot just copied and pasted as always.

    21. Re:Editorializing in summary? by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      What's left of a person's self respect?

      If your self respect comes from what you are, not who you are, you've got problems. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, I do think people should be proud of their culture and other intangibles (ie patriotism), but not physical make-up like melanin content and genital location.

    22. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?

      It's a bad trait. Classifying humans by race is bogus. And if you believe in positive aspects of a "race", then you believe in negative aspects of race. It's stupid twice.

    23. Re:Editorializing in summary? by JeffAMcGee · · Score: 1

      Stop nagging elnico about petty things. By the way, you're a nagger.

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    24. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your self-respect comes from that which you have actually accomplished. I don't see how any of this should come off as radical--it seems to me to be far stranger to think that one should have pride for, essentially, simply being born.

      As I mentioned elsewhere, working for equal rights is antithetical to having pride for being a member of your particular group. It makes no sense to say that you are proud (e.g.) to be a woman while at the same time saying someone should be proud to be the exact opposite and that they are actually, in all important respects, equal. If they are essentially equal, one shouldn't have pride in being one over the other.

    25. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. Naggers.

    26. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bad trait. Classifying humans by race is bogus. And if you believe in positive aspects of a "race", then you believe in negative aspects of race. It's stupid twice.

      As long as people group themselves by race, and share customs and tendencies with those that they group with, classification by race will not be bogus.

    27. Re:Editorializing in summary? by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      ...but not physical make-up like melanin content and genital location.

      You mean you can have genitals in other locations than the norm? I just thought people were kidding when they called their boss a dick-head.

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    28. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being proud of your race is NEVER a good thing. It implies a separation that simply should not exist. Heritage or country are okay to a VERY limited degree, but race - never.

    29. Re:Editorializing in summary? by boombaard · · Score: 1

      I don't get it.. Why would you care what color your skin is? One might argue being white is handy, since it makes it less likely you'll be held up by cops, but i can't say i find it an achievement i only turn tan when i stay out in the sun for a few weeks on end.
      For that matter, i have a lot of trouble understanding why people would be proud of their black "heritage" (although that somewhat ambiguous term probably at least in part refers to their cultural achievements), or their american heritage.
      I don't know if you've noticed, but with the increased lifespans the achievements of one's family has become mightily less important than it was in the olden days.
      While in the Middle Ages people were married at age 16 just to insure the continuity of the family line, and so any Family Property staying in the family for at least another generation, these days you're mostly supposed to "succeed" by yourself, as you've got at least 60 years to do so, in stead of 10-15 (after you become conscious, anyway)
      Nationalism changed that a bit, but I'm mostly glad i grew up in Holland (that is, the dutch west, which is noticably less religious than some other parts) because it allowed me not to have to waste time on silly things like a draft, civil wars, mafiosi, conservative/extremist thinking, or not being able to go to uni because you're required to have (aside from a brain) parents that can pay 20k/year. (like in some other parts of the world i could name) And not because I necessarily think the dutch way of life is best.
      That said, the world is become a slightly messier place every year now (stuff becoming more expensive, schooling becoming both more elitist (supposedly, anyway, it's not as if the generation after mine is all that much smarter) and more dulling (leveling effects to ensure 'equal opportunity' for retards and geniuses are also becoming more noticable)..

      Anyway, all these trends affect "blacks", latinas, and "asians" alike, as they all seem to have idiots and normals in equal amounts.. the only thing your post proves is that most of the other "races" haven't had the leisure time yet to figure out that those "identifiers" are mostly arbitrary.

    30. Re:Editorializing in summary? by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      So patriotism (there go the Olympics), the aspect of female emancipation that insists that women should be proud to be women etc. are all right out? Is gay pride still OK or are you in the camp of people who theorise that you can't help being a homosexual, because if you are, draw your conclusions.

      Well, I've long thought that patriotism is something that is really only useful when you want to manipulate people into blowing other people up. And women should be proud of themselves, as individuals and not because they happened to be born with a vagina instead of a penis.

      I feel the same way about gay pride, be who you are and be proud of those accomplishments of yours that you feel you have the most reason to be proud of instead of being proud of some random thing about yourself that you have little to no influence over.

      Or do these "proud" people think I should be proud of the fact that I'm tall? that I'm blonde? that I'm male? that I have a high IQ? Isn't it better that I'm proud of things I've accomplished and things about myself that I have influence over?

      /Mikael (yes, I think that about 90% of the things people are proud of are things that they have no reason to be proud of)

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    31. Re:Editorializing in summary? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      So what, Run DMC didn't sing about being proud of their western African heritage, they sung about being proud to be black. Claiming that you can safely be proud of being Irish or Italian doesn't fix it, if other people can be proud of their race, why couldn't whites, using the word "white"? The word "white" wasn't invented by the KKK, it just springs to mind to anyone darker than us who sees us. Where's the equality when you can say "I'm proud to be black" but sound racist if ever you say "I'm proud to be white"? Does it mean being white is something to be ashamed of? Sounds a lot like it.

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    32. Re:Editorializing in summary? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      So you don't understand what pride is for. Your point? That's like saying that gay people don't need marriage because you don't think marriage is a good thing for anyone. But it's all about equality.

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    33. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking about white pride (or Aryan pride) reminds people of nasty times. Don't take it personally. This is far from the only phrase that has deep negative idiomatic connotations. Try telling someone that you believe in jihad, for example. Or that you're a Swift Boater. Or that you're a fundamentalist. It is lamentable that jihad=terrorism, fundamentalist=theocracy, and white pride=racism. Al Qaeda didn't invent "jihad" and Pat Robertson didn't invent "fundamentalist", but they changed the meanings of the words nonetheless.

    34. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Zombie · · Score: 1
      That is where I disagree with all of you. I think you're all confusing being proud of a trait with despising everyone who doesn't possess that trait.

      I am a patriot and a nationalist, yet I don't hate other nationalities. I'm proud of my heritage, my race, my culture and my family, yet I do not hate other races or cultures. I'm proud to be smart, but I don't think any less of people who are not gifted with the same set of skills.

      I'm also proud of who I am and what I've accomplished, but what was I supposed to think of myself before I knew myself and accomplished anything? That was I just a useless child?

    35. Re:Editorializing in summary? by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      It's the height of stupidity to be proud of something which (1) you had nothing to do with

      But I don't "have nothing to do with being white", I really am white, and thus everything I do (good or bad) is by definition contributing to the totality of what whites have done on the planet. It does make me 'part of something', but I feel only in the sense that I contribute to that.

      I'm not proud of, say, inventing TV or the steam engine or airplanes, because I didn't do any of those things. But I am 'proud of what white people have achieved'.

      I think we might be conflating two types of pride here - pride for oneself personally (which indeed wouldn't make sense if one is presuming credit inferred by mere skin color), and pride for a group (of which one may or may not be part). The latter does make sense, as it is an undeniable fact that white people on the whole have achieved a lot. But this is not inherently racism, it is merely recognition of achievement and credit where it is due - if the Japanese, say, embarked on a huge project to cure cancer and succeeded, or, say, a manned mission to Mars, I might also say I am 'proud of the Japanese' or even 'proud of the human race'.

      I feel there's something here that's still not clear to me, and it's a crucial question, will think about it some more.

    36. Re:Editorializing in summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "By using the word "ridden" are you implying that being proud of your race is a bad trait?"

      Um, when it gets to the point of people shooting at each other over it, yes, it is a distinctly bad trait.

      There's a fine line between having pride in oneself and wanting to forcibly push others down to indirectly elevate your own interests. At that point it ceases to be a positive motivator and has become something destructive. Pride is a dangerous thing. This bad habit is not peculiar to any particular race or nation. It is a feature of all humans. More of a bug, really, when you think of how many wars and other injuries have their roots there.

  19. poor russians by phrostie · · Score: 1

    i don't know where they would be in less danger after dark, downtown Savannah or Effingham

    1. Re:poor russians by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always wanted to start a burger chain in Effingham country called "Effingham Burgers." You can get an Effingham Burger, or an Effingham Sandwich.

      The come with effing fries.

    2. Re:poor russians by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      You can get an Effingham Burger, or an Effingham Sandwich.

      Which one is spam free?

    3. Re:poor russians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i know i'd eat there.

    4. Re:poor russians by ultramk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Should I tell you about the Vietnamese noodle (pho) restaurant near me named Pho King?

      "Where's our Pho King food?"

      "It's right here. Here's your Pho King meal."

      (the t-shirts say "It's Pho King Delicious", so it isn't accidental)

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  20. To whom it should concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The war in Georgia and the extremely imprecise and brutal way it is waged is precisely what many imagined they saw elsewhere during the last several years. Many used every bad word in the dictionary and then some. Knee-jerk reactions gone viral.

    Wake up and smell the stench: you've got no words left for real fascism.

    And as usual the rest of the world has no choice but to beg the United States of America to fight the fascism.

    I hope it makes you think.

    Regards from a non-American

  21. Analysis by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
    ...here:
    http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-prowl-bear-moves-on-south-ossetia.html

    This attack seems well-coordinated enough that it had to have been planned for some time. The claimed provocation of Georgia's incursion into South Ossetia -- a breakway province that is, after all, recognized as Georgian territory -- is probably just pretext.

    So there is some oil pipeline, some warning to NATO, some indirect linkage to Middle Eastern policy...
    Standard international policy gordian knot.
    We should send Paris Hilton as an envoy. Because all that hotness would cool things considerably, no?

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    1. Re:Analysis by XanC · · Score: 1

      Well hang on now. Militaries create all kinds of plans all the time. Invasion plans, disruption plans, assassination plans. Against both friend and foe. They know that there's a >99% chance that none of them will ever be used, but when you do decide to go after somebody, you'd better have a plan ready.

    2. Re:Analysis by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here is some more excellent analysis:
      http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/08/021207.php
      Forget the Olympics, forget goofball Edwards: this is important, lads.

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  22. Red Dawn by cpirate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wolverines!!

  23. Why assume Jessica B was in Georgia, USA? by Peregr1n · · Score: 3, Informative

    While my initial reaction to that Yahoo! Answers page was 'LOL dumb American', she doesn't specifically say that she's in the US state - isn't everyone who is laughing at her making exactly the same mistake as they are assuming she is making? Not all internet users are American - she might well have asked the question from the country of Georgia, in which case the Yahoo! Answers are pretty damn useless... it would also explain her tenuous grasp of the English language.

    1. Re:Why assume Jessica B was in Georgia, USA? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Very pertinent thought! I don't think there's any way to tell, her profile is empty, there are people called Jessica in Russian-speaking countries, and her language is consistent with her being either very poorly educated, her being a child or her being from the actual country of Georgia. Truly a mystery.

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    2. Re:Why assume Jessica B was in Georgia, USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because she said "I don't see them." That kind of implies they are in the state of Georgia....

  24. Pay Attention (Offtopic) by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, let's remember that the Georgians and the Russians have been provoking each other for years over this issue. They have both violated the ceasefire and it will probably be a while before we know who violated the ceasefire lines first.

    You lament the invasion, and similarly George Bush stated, "Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected... We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings." Mr Putin expressed similar reservations about Iraq in April 2003:

    ...Mr Putin elaborated... when he warned of the perils of undermining sovereign nations and diplomacy in the "export of capitalist, democratic revolution".

    "If we allow ourselves to do that, the world will end up on a slippery slope toward an endless series of military conflicts. We cannot allow that to happen."

    Be sure to watch the media over the next few days - you'll see pictures of dead and wounded, buildings destroyed, and many other realities of war. Now ask yourself why you don't see any of those images from Iraq. Ask why we saw silhouetted shots of helicopters and long views of nighttime explosions instead of what was really happening on the ground.

    We can see on both sides that morality is of little importance. Unfortunately, since we have taken Iraq unilaterally, Russia is free to take Georgia unilaterally, and any other province they can get away with. All they have to do is claim that their national security is threatened, which is a more grounded claim. Georgia is on the Russian border, not thousands of miles away, and they are dealing with their own problems in Chechnya.

    It is time to give real power to the UN and the ICC in order to avoid more death and destruction. Unless states submit themselves to a common rule of international law, there will never be a chance for peace.

    1. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless states submit themselves to a common rule of international law, there will never be a chance for peace.

      And if the do, you suddenly have a chance to force your morality (drug war, no sex before you're 18, etc) or business model (overbearing "IP" crap) on the entire world, thru a group of rulers who have approximately no connection to reality (because reality is local and everywhere). And there still won't be peace.

    2. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Johnny+Chinpo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It is time to give real power to the UN and the ICC in order to avoid more death and destruction.

      I was with you until the above quote. Why should anybody give an ineffectual organisation more power? What has the UN done since its inception to curb the tide of illegal and immoral wars? Sweet fuck all as far as I can tell.

      The UN needs to be done away with. I don't want some Korean fuckwit telling my country what to do.

    3. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Ask why we saw silhouetted shots of helicopters and long views of nighttime explosions instead of what was really happening on the ground.

      There are two possible reasons: first, they may not be allowed close enough to the action to get shots of what's happening on the ground and second, those long shots of nighttime explosions make dramatic footage. Remember, like it or not, TV news is a form of entertainment, and they have to pick footage that will get the viewer's attention and keep them watching. It's not always that they don't want to show more detail, it's just that they have to pick and choose, and they'll generally choose the shots that will keep people from turning to another station.

      I expect that there will be shots from the ground, later, in the newspapers and news magazines because they're looking for a different audience, and don't have to be showmen to keep people's attention.

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    4. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Aardpig · · Score: 1

      Yeah, fuck them slit-eyes. Go USA!

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    5. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by mcvos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why should anybody give an ineffectual organisation more power?

      To make it less ineffectual?

      What has the UN done since its inception to curb the tide of illegal and immoral wars?

      Not a lot, but then again, it has little power to do so.

      I agree completely that the UN isn't working the way it should be, but your arguments don't sound very logical. The problem is with the decision making process, the veto power of a handful of members, and the lack of power to actually do something once a decision has finally been made.

    6. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by sanctimonius+hypocrt · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Unfortunately, since we have taken Iraq unilaterally, Russia is free to take Georgia unilaterally, and any other province they can get away with."

      I knew it had to be Bush's fault, but I wasn't sure how.

    7. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by emilper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why is nobody mentioning that "Georgia", "North Ossetia", "South Ossetia", "Chechnia" were just administrative districts of Soviet Union, with as much ethnic/national relevance as Vermont has in US ? Then in 1991 Eltsin and his pals split Soviet Union between themselves, and how you have lots of 'sovereign nations' with no legitimacy but what they can acquire and hold by force of arms.

      Nobody asked the civilians over whose heads the "Georgians" and "South Ossetians" are shooting at each other whether they want to belong to one state, to another or to none of the above.

    8. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by panda+cakes · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, since we have taken Iraq unilaterally, Russia is free to take Georgia unilaterally, and any other province they can get away with. All they have to do is claim that their national security is threatened, which is a more grounded claim. Georgia is on the Russian border, not thousands of miles away, and they are dealing with their own problems in Chechnya.

      It is time to give real power to the UN and the ICC in order to avoid more death and destruction. Unless states submit themselves to a common rule of international law, there will never be a chance for peace.

      Iraq is a bit different - in 1990 it has invaded a US ally, Kuwait, and the US among other countries fought it off obliged by the treaties with Kuwait. As the result of these events a cease-fire agreement has been signed between Iraq and retaliation forces. After multiple violations of this agreement and countless warnings allies have resumed their offensive. It's nothing like Georgia being attacked out of the blue without even declaration of war (I won't break the Goodwin's law and tell you who also did this :)). Afghanistan could be a better example and even there nothing like in Georgia has happened. An overthrown government (recognized by UN) called for US forces to help them to re-take the country. Russian actions in Georgia are unprecedented since the WW2 (oh no, he did it!) if the world will let this slide it won't take long till the title of this ./ item will become a reality.

    9. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the International Cricket Council got to do with it?

    10. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody asked? Or nobody told you they did? They had referendum in South Ossetia and Abkhazia where they voted for independence from Georgia.

    11. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by emilper · · Score: 1

      I mean, nobody with the authority to do that, like UN ... or was the referendum you talk about organized/recognized by UN ?

    12. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lol, oh that's awesome.

      A friend of mine just got back from Ecuador, which has price ceilings on gas prices there. For some reason, none of the gas stations have any gas. Whose fault was it? George W. Bush's!

      In fact, apparently every single problem in South America is the result of Bush's devious scheme to bring down his nemeses - those guys in those countries that... uh... what're their names again?

    13. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intellectual Property is not crap and according to this Linux clearly violates it.

    14. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      why is nobody mentioning that "Georgia", "North Ossetia", "South Ossetia", "Chechnia" were just administrative districts of Soviet Union, with as much ethnic/national relevance as Vermont has in US ?

      If they are merely administrative districts, then they have less national relevance than Vermont in the US. Vermont is a State, and has a certain amount of sovereignty of its own (see also: "Federalism").

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    15. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by emilper · · Score: 1

      national as in "ethnic" ... some use those words as if they are synonyms

    16. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      It is time to give real power to the UN and the ICC in order to avoid more death and destruction. Unless states submit themselves to a common rule of international law, there will never be a chance for peace.

      I hate to break it to you, but the USA and Russia both have veto powers. If the UN had tried to prevent the Iraq war, the USA (and UK) would have vetoed it, if the UN tried to stop this, Russia would have vetoed it.

    17. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by virtual_mps · · Score: 1

      Be sure to watch the media over the next few days - you'll see pictures of dead and wounded, buildings destroyed, and many other realities of war. Now ask yourself why you don't see any of those images from Iraq. Ask why we saw silhouetted shots of helicopters and long views of nighttime explosions instead of what was really happening on the ground.

      1. We did see such images from Iraq, just not many of them. Those we did see were generally stage managed (journalists were brought in by an opposition group) because...

      2. It wasn't safe for journalists to wander freely in Iraq, either before or after the invasion. (Before the invasion you were liable to be arrested by Saddam's security services and after you were liable to be captured and beheaded by an insurgent group.)

      3. Most of the images out of Iraq in the early stages came from reporters attached to US forces, and they tended to not take close-up pictures because US forces were not waging a close-up war.

      If journalists are able to walk around freely in Georgia, it is a very different war. (If, on the other hand, they are only safe if escorted by Russian or Georgian troops, you should take the imagery with the same grain of salt you seem to apply to Iraq reporting.)

    18. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this conflict every participating side (Georgia, Osetia, Russia, USA) have something to say. From my point of view - it was started by Georgia, bombarding capital of Osetia with heavy artillery. About 2000 civilians have been killed. About 90 percent of them had Russian citisenship. Plus 15 Russian peacekeepers been killed by tanks and heavy weapon. What US will do if someone kill 2000 US civilians and not going to stop?
      I'm sure you can find more information in videos from UN meetings about the situation and hear all versions.
      Maxim Tarasenko. Rostov-on-Don Russia.

    19. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      :) US have some interests in Georgia. Look what's goin on on UN meetings about Georgia - Ossetia - Russia situation right now.

    20. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by Mx2008 · · Score: 1

      There are lot of journalists in Ossetia right now. Lot of them are wounded by bombings and bullets. try to search for "ossetia" in youtube.

    21. Re:Pay Attention (Offtopic) by emilper · · Score: 1

      oh, UN will just talk, then donate some money to whoever is left in charge at the end ...

      Found this piece that says it all and better than I can:

      "all those little Napoleons -- whether they are named Boris Yeltsin, Vladimir Putin, former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia or Saakashvili -- who instead of freeing their citizens from the Stalinist Soviet Union have created mini-empires within illogically imposed borders and played out their delusions of grandeur using the blood of their own people."

      from http://www.moscowtimes.ru/articles/detail.php?ID=369737

  25. Caucasian pride Georgia? by ArcherB · · Score: 1

    thanks to the Google Maps graphic accompanying a story about Russian incursions into Georgia â" the nation-state in the Caucasus, not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S

    I take it you've never been to Atlanta!

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  26. Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by halivar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S.

    You sir, do not have a clue.

    I have lived in Georgia for 14 eyars, having previously spent time in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. I can tell you that both northern states are by far-and-away more racist than Georgia. In 14 years, not once (NOT ONCE -- for emphasis) have I heard a white person use the N-word, while in both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, I witnessed not only frequent use of the word, but also blind, entrenched bigotry. Never have I seen whites and minorities live more harmoniously that in Georgia (the ghettoization of minorities in northern cities is NOT "harmony").

    While there are white supremacists in Georgia (whom I have never met), I think it's safe to say they are a complete minority. Meanwhile, your own bigotry is available for all to see in the summary.

    1. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by Zorque · · Score: 1

      I agree, I don't think I've ever thought of Georgia as being in the "deep South". It's a Southern state, sure, but it's not a backwater dump like some other places in the country.

    2. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by thief_inc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with you 100%. I grew up in Massachusetts and lived in California for 8 years and recently moved to Texas. The most amazing about Texas is the racial integration that I never saw in states I previously lived. The South in general gets a bad rap when in actuality many northerner are far more racist.
       

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    3. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, is this an example of the "Streisand Effect" I keep reading about on this and other hip blogs?

      That is, by accusing someone of abuse, you are actually calling everyone's attention to one of your own problems that likely would've been ignored.

    4. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by ultramk · · Score: 1

      Having spent a few weeks there, it just means that you're blind to it. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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    5. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by halivar · · Score: 1

      I think it has to do with the fact that, ever since the 60's the south has had to face (and continually be reminded of) its racist past. Northern states have never had to do any such thing. Social injustice is something that happens "somewhere else."

    6. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said.

      I can only add that bigotry isn't exclusive to one race either.

    7. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by X86Daddy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Never have I seen whites and minorities live more harmoniously that in Georgia (the ghettoization of minorities in northern cities is NOT "harmony").

      Wow... Maybe you were in Atlanta or something. I attended high school in the aforementioned Effingham County in the mid-1990s, after moving there from southern California. The racism in that area astounded me. I was shocked and disgusted during my entire time there. There was "harmony" in that black people everywhere exhibited a constant air of fear and overt politeness. There was nearly zero social crossover between populations. The bloody high school even had officially separate Black and White prom queen and king elections, I shit you not. People wrote essays about the "War of Northern Agression" for class projects, etc... The high school mascot was a confederate soldier... My dad found KKK meeting announcements on break-room bulletin boards at his job in Savannah. I am not making any of this up. People joke about it, but it's because of the ring of truth to it. It's seriously messed up, and I doubt it has improved significantly over the last decade.

    8. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please leave Cobb county. You could not be more wrong.

      -Someone who's lived here longer than you.

    9. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      As a San Diego native, I've worked throughout the South (mainly South Carolina and Mississippi), and while there have been some racial things I didn't like (the high school I was working with had their first integrated prom this year... the integration underwritten by Morgan Freedman, and also, black and white teachers at the schools sat on opposite sides of the break room in one school), by and large I think racism is a thing of the past, even though the people there are constantly confronted with it. I work in the history field (well, computer science + history) and so slavery, the civil war, and other sensitive topics are often brought up, but by and large the people there are wonderful to work with, with just a hint of animosity toward the north and California.

      (I've been told on several occasions in the South that they call California "the land of fruits and nuts".)

    10. Re:Dear theodp: You're a bigot. by halivar · · Score: 1

      I've never lived in Atlanta, so I can't tell you what it's like. I'll visit from time to time to get some pho at Asian Square... that's about it. I hear it's no different than a northern urban area but I can't attest to it.

  27. On a more serious note. by MrMista_B · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On a more serious note, yes it's horrible (The United States) Russia is invading (Iraq) Georgia and it could set a nasty precedent for them to do it elsewhere in the (Middle East) former Soviet States. If they get away with this, what would keep them from say, invading (Iran) East Ukraine, which has a high population of (Pro-Islamic) Pro-Russian supporters? Sadly, I don't see any Western Countries comming to the aid of the opposing forces against (The United States) Russia. No one out there seems to want to upset (America) Russia.

    Yay perspective!

  28. Silly Google News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia isn't invading Savannah, Georgia, it's reinforcing peacekeepers in Georgia who've come under fire, and responding to reports of ethnic cleansing by the Georgian state.

    I guess this is why Google News is still in beta!

  29. And I thought there was hope by Jewfro_Macabbi · · Score: 1

    I was welcoming "any" new overlords...

  30. Caucasian-pride-ridden state? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S."

    FUCK YOU slashdot! Go to hell and take your racist elitism with you.

  31. I see that it has been fixed now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the russians are now invading Vienna. Sneaky bastards.

  32. Russians are killing civilians like crazy by unity100 · · Score: 1

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139586 this is horror. cnn is not showing these.

    1. Re:Russians are killing civilians like crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do realize that those missile launchers are Georgians firing into capital of South Ossetia? Full of innocent civilians who were sleeping? Those are not precision missiles as well, they are just aimed in a direction and fired. Whatever they hit, they hit. If I'm not mistaken, here in the USA we call that crime against humanity but you would never hear CNN or BBC unless it's somebody that we don't like.
      Sorry, propaganda does not work on those who can think for themselves.

    2. Re:Russians are killing civilians like crazy by unity100 · · Score: 1

      no i dont realize that, because that is the account of RUSSIAN government, which is famous for killing its own citizens when they make too much noise about human rights, or make successful opposition. they are as reliable as richard nixon.

  33. wait... by deepgrey · · Score: 1

    so this means I don't need to get out my shotgun? darn...

  34. The Timing Is Not a Coincidence by BlueMikey · · Score: 1

    Russian computer technology is so outdated, they thought the Olympics were in Atlanta this year.

  35. Ahah! I knew it! by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    The USSR wasn't dead, it was all a trick by Putin!

    They lured the USA into a false sense of security by faking their economy being in ruins and the overthrow of their Communist government by a Democratic one.

    Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin weren't even dead, they were in suspended animation via mummification and their mummies just got raised from the dead by Brendan Fraser as he activated an old USSR artifact that started to pump plasma back into their mummified corpses (ala Dr. Phibes) and pump out the embalming fluid and they came back to life and ordered Russian troops to invade Savannah, GA thanks to their sleeper agent there Jimmy Carter, who has a Communist all this time and built houses there for Communist sleeper agents to live in, until they are activated.

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  36. hey! by deepgrey · · Score: 1

    I go to Georgia Tech, you insensitive clod!

  37. you dont know zit about it by unity100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ossetia is a resources rich region. russia had north ossetia. since 1.5 2 years, they had been supporting, arming and giving russian citizenship to separatists there, who was wanting to annex to russia. the majority of '70.000 citizens' russia purports that it is protecting are comprised of these.

    then suddenly a few months ago these 'separatist' political group started wearing uniforms and acting like a militia. and then proceeded to break away.

    naturally, as this is a region in the MIDDLE of georgia, they moved their troops there to assure their territorial integrity.

    naturally voila - the MAFIA administration of russia, which had suppressed ANY opposition inside russia by killing its own human rights advocate citizens, opposition members, any dissenters, have suddenly embarked on a PEACEKEEPING mission. and COINCIDENTIALLY, abkhazia, another ethnic region that russia had its eyes on, started attacking georgian troops at the SAME time. what a coincidence.

    peacekeeping mission somehow involves bombing civilian buildings in tblisi, georgian capital. totally irrelevant to anything going on.

    behold the reality of modern russia - ruled by a mafia, ruled like a mob rules its neighborhood, and attacking other neighborhoods when it has the chance. expect more of this to come, if the u.s. and west keeps licking the mob's boots.

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139586

    1. Re:you dont know zit about it by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Are you stupid?

      First, Osetia is rich in rocks. And probably in nothing else. There's not much arable land too.

      Second, North Osetia was ALWAYS a part of Russia.

      Third, Tbilisi has not been bombed yet. ...

    2. Re:you dont know zit about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would advise against that because if you get cought by Geogrian or future nato/whatever troop you will be designated "enemy combatant" and will get the "muslim-treatment".

    3. Re:you dont know zit about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize the peacekeepers were there since early 90s, because Georgians were at war with Southern Ossetians, and there was no guarantee they would not have gone genocidal against Ossetian minority population? Ossetians always had closer ties to Russia than many other Caucasian nations, which sometimes leads to ethnic tensions. Middle of Georgia? You might want to pick a map and have a look, it is clear you haven't.

    4. Re:you dont know zit about it by unity100 · · Score: 1

      yea, placing in the russian army, which is basically under control of a mob like administration that has been holding russia in iron grasp since 1991, a mafia, to protect genocide from georgians.

      who's going to protect anyone from russian genocide ? the same people who protected RUSSIAN human rights activists, political opponents from assassination inside russia ?

  38. oblig. Red Dawn post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wolverines!

  39. Reap/Sow by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then that Korean fuckwit, with enough military power, can blow you up without asking first.

    The UN arrives at international consensus all the time, with very reasonable compromises for both sides, that the populations of both sides often are in favor for. For instance, declaring the Middle East a nuclear free zone for everyone - Israel, the US, and Iran. This is supported by everyone, except the governments of US and Israel. The US doesn't join the International Criminal Court because their first subject may be Henry Kissinger, or even GW Bush. Thus you can't expect the current government elite to make any move that could endanger themselves or their friends.

    If you don't believe in law, then fine, we can continue to be an outlaw state, burning and pillaging at our whim. But when you are on the receiving end of the bullet, try not to complain.

  40. Redhat? by Gertlex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Black Hats and White Hats?

    I think this is definitely a Red Hat problem.

    1. Re:Redhat? by mimada · · Score: 1

      Red Hat's based in North Carolina, not Georgia.

  41. It's just a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at the user's profile, you can see that they joined today. It's probably just a troll. Unless you think that the first thing someone would do when they hear that their country is being attacked would be to make an account on Yahoo! Answers...

  42. glad to hear those by unity100 · · Score: 1

    as a turkish, a nato ally of u.s. sure to make a positive effect on my opinion in regard to u.s.

  43. Kosovo was also an illegal war? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but there's no concept of "illegal" wars any more. In fact, there is no concept of what you might think of as international law.

    Serbia was bombed without the agreement of the United Nations. Effectively, a group of countries decided that they felt it was right, and bombed.

    Kosovo was created in direct contravention of international law. Territorial integrity is a fundamental part of every treaty there is, as well as the UN charter. Even Germany and other Western countries stated directly that what they did in creating Kosovo was not according to any law, however, "it would have been against the _spirit_ of the law not to" (pretty much literally quoted).

    Effectively, so long as Russia states it is in the spirit of international law to assimilate South Ossetia and defend them against the Georgians with maximum impunity, there is no moral right, no moral argument, no moral defense that any Westerner can make.

    1. Re:Kosovo was also an illegal war? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Effectively, so long as Russia states it is in the spirit of international law to assimilate South Ossetia and defend them against the Georgians with maximum impunity, there is no moral right, no moral argument, no moral defense that any Westerner can make."

      The idea that law should regulate war when force trumps law is merely a way for victors to impose "justice" on the losers. Nice for propaganda but we shouldn't really respect that idea.

      If you don't want too many inconvenient war outcomes, be ready to cut deals with those you cannot beat on the battlefield.

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  44. This indeed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...was the night the lights went out in Georgia.

  45. Slashdot shouldn't be talking shit.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...considering how many wrong and erroneous summaries they "print" on a WEEKLY basis.

  46. Kosovo killed the legal weight of the West. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Western nations in majority (if you are in a Western nation, that most likely includes your own) decided to bomb Serbia without a UN mandate. They simply sat down and decided that bombing was the right thing to do (justified by XYZ), and bombed. They did not only go for military targets or Serbians directly involved in fighting with the Kosovo Liberation Army, they also bombed civilian infrastructure throughout the entire Serbia.

    There was also collateral, civilian deaths as a result of this. As the Prime Minister of Sweden, Italy or the UK has not been prosecuted for war crimes, we can conclude that civilian colleteral deaths is _not_ a war crime even if the bomb was dropped by Putin himself.

    2. Western nations created Kosovo in contravention of international law and the UN charter. Nations do not have the right to split up other nations and create governments within them. Yet this was what Western nations did. The arguments in favour of this was numerous and diverse, which they thad to be as international law spoke squarely against them, but on the government level the argument was that it would have been "against the _spirit_ of the law not do to it". Once you start not following written treaties but rather follow the unwritten moral and spiritual laws that you perceive to be behind those, then you have opened a door that cannot be closed again.

    After Kosovo, _there is no 'international law'. There is _feeling_, there is _indignation_, there is _defending someone_ and taking armed action as a result of these feelings and sudden neccessities (such as the Russian necessity to defend South-Ossetians).

    There is also no legal arguments preventing anything from happening, so long as the state in question feels it strongly should happen. If Russia feels that South Ossetia should be part of them, then they will, and the West has no moral authority to challenge it to the least degree.

  47. So..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S."

    -----So, Black Pride, Latino Pride, and Asian Pride are O.K., but Caucasian Pride is not?

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    1. Re:So..... by Bane1998 · · Score: 1

      "Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S."

      -----So, Black Pride, Latino Pride, and Asian Pride are O.K., but Caucasian Pride is not?

      I wonder why that was modded flamebait. It never has made sense to me, Black Pride and all that jazz. I thought we were supposed to be blind to race? Why is being proud of being a race, any race.. minority or majority.. a good thing?

    2. Re:So..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - NONE of them are okay.

    3. Re:So..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct, the subjugated race doesn't get the same 'privilege'.

  48. What the hell? "Caucasian-pride-ridden state" by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S" Why is Slashdot posting hate speech on its front page!? Would you say or allow: "the black-pride-ridden city of Oakland California" or the "black-pride-ridden media channel, BET" ... or the "black-pride-ridden organization of the NAACP!?"

    Your double standards and hate speech is unforgivable. The editor that picked this article should be fired.

    1. Re:What the hell? "Caucasian-pride-ridden state" by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      How in the hell is this hate speech? There are black pride movements, asian pride movements and latino movements that bear those literal names. Is that hate speech?

      OMG TEH HAET

    2. Re:What the hell? "Caucasian-pride-ridden state" by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      And when was the last time a white pride speech or march wasn't ridiculed and hated? In the US, saying ANYTHING about white pride is synonymous with saying white hate, no matter how such speech or march goes.

      In other words, in the US, it's cool to be proud of being gay, asian, black, or even a gay black asian. But to be proud of being white? That makes you a racist, and to make a statement like the submitter did about Georgia is simply irresponsible.

    3. Re:What the hell? "Caucasian-pride-ridden state" by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "not the Caucasian-pride-ridden state in the southern U.S" Why is Slashdot posting hate speech on its front page!? Would you say or allow: "the black-pride-ridden city of Oakland California" or the "black-pride-ridden media channel, BET" ... or the "black-pride-ridden organization of the NAACP!?"

      Your double standards and hate speech is unforgivable. The editor that picked this article should be fired.

      I love it that on slashdot it's OK to make offensive racist/xenophobic/homophobic etc jokes with the justification that it's your right of free speech, people shouldn't be so sensitive, blah blah blah, but as soon as someone puts a mildly amusing white-stereotype headline up, everyone's up in arms about it.

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    4. Re:What the hell? "Caucasian-pride-ridden state" by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0

      Did this phrase really go that FAR over your head? There is absolutely no reason to say race-pride-ridden unless you are dising them. When something is "ridden" with something, its a bad thing. And in our society, white pride equals evil while black pride equals heroic. I am amazed that you are oblivious to meaning of the vocabulary in the post.

  49. stop watching russian tvs by unity100 · · Score: 1

    cnn showed tblisi being bombed live.

    1. Re:stop watching russian tvs by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Care to give me a link?

      I'm right now talking with a friend in Tbilisi. There was NO bombing.

    2. Re:stop watching russian tvs by unity100 · · Score: 1

      cant produce links out of my butt. these are news of 3-5 hour ago. watch cnn website.

    3. Re:stop watching russian tvs by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      There were no bombings of Tbilisi 3-5 hours ago. You're lying.

      There were bombings of military targets in Poti and Gori yesterday. But Tbilisi has not been bombed (yet).

    4. Re:stop watching russian tvs by unity100 · · Score: 1
      then im lying on behalf of cnn.

      There were bombings of military targets in Poti and Gori yesterday. But Tbilisi has not been bombed (yet).

      wow, big difference. and the civilian buildings in those cities accidentally got hit, right ?

    5. Re:stop watching russian tvs by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Wow. Yes, it's a BIG difference. Like between New-York and Kansas City.

      Yes, civilian buildings were hit along with military targets.

    6. Re:stop watching russian tvs by rhathar · · Score: 1
      To update the situation, there are now recent news reports now of a Russian bombing of an airbase outside of Tbilisi. The city itself has not been targeted in any military aggression.

      The airbase in question is the Vaziani military airbase and is 25km from the capital.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL8690622
      http://www.agi.it/world/news/200808081452-cro-ren0053-art.html
      http://news.trendaz.com/?show=news&newsid=1265842&lang=EN

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  50. War for resources... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't think middle east is the only place to get oil do you? Nothing funny about this war. This is fucking dangerous.

  51. de facto by drew30319 · · Score: 1

    "South Osetia and Abkhazia were de-facto independent for 15 (fifteen) years - looong before Putin."

    Do you realize what "de facto" means? "Existing but not officially recognized or legally established."

    So, the reason you refer to it as "de-facto independent" is because it's legally not independent; and as I'm sure you already know, most countries recognize it as part of Georgia.

    Just because somebody disagrees with you, it doesn't make them "a typical clueless American."

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    1. Re:de facto by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Sure, I know what 'de-facto' means. That's why I wrote it.

      I was objecting to statements about oil pipelines and Putin's power play.

      This conflict has a much longer history.

  52. Oblig. by PsamtikNerd · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, Georgia invades you!

  53. Dougal County by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm from Georgia. I got the joke. It still pissed me off.

    I received an essentially free education from one of the best tech schools in the country because of this state. While I do think taking pride in where you were born is stupid, I do get extremely mad when people automatically assume I'm a stupid Bible thumping racist after I tell them where I'm from.

    I hope for the Russians' sake they stay away from Dougal County.

  54. YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    For the most retarded thread of this story!

    You fight about, who of two sides is the bad one... because all you've learned is that there *must* be two sides, and one *must* be good, while the other *must* be bad.
    This is so fuckin' stupid, it's beyond what one can describe with words.

    There are M_N sides made of N people, with opinions about P things, overlapping for the part of Q_PN, doing things that are R_S_N (eg bad) for the moral value S_N of those people. The M_N sides are formed of groups of overlappings as seen by N_x.

    So your whole thread - from the beginning to the whole stuff that it lead to - is by definition pointless.

    It was a great performance! The best I've seen for a long time.
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    1. Re:YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE! by at_slashdot · · Score: 1

      First of all thanks for joining in to improve the thread.

      Second, nobody in this threads fought about which side is the bad one, nor have I claimed that Georgians are gentle cherubs, nor other guy claimed the same about Russians. Before you join in and add in your stupidity make sure you read the posts that you reply to and don't invent straw-men.

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    2. Re:YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE! by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 1

      I saw lots of variables, and stopped processing your post. Can you just tell me what X is? I don't feel like trying to solve it.

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    3. Re:YOU HAVE WON A PRIZE! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      there is no X in there. just an x.
      N_x = person x of people N. Sorry, /. does not allow proper math. :)
      The underscores mean "the next letters are in subscript".

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  55. Caucasian-pride-ridden? Go fuck yourself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seriously, people like you are going to make sure that race is ALWAYS an issue.

  56. Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Faggot.

  57. Continued division by ezratrumpet · · Score: 1

    I find the racial humor in the posting inappropriate and the humor out of place among educated adults - or educated middle school students, for that matter.

    Perhaps the author of the original post will eventually gain sufficient perspective and experience to realize that such statements, even when purportedly intended as a jest, only maintain division and sow further hatred.

    1. Re:Continued division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it bothers you, perhaps you are the one who needs to "grow up" and thicken your skin. If something like that bothers you, something much deeper than a little words-in-jest is wrong, and I doubt it is with the jest.

  58. Wow Random by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HA. Probably the funniest random thing I have seen in years.

  59. Tell them to meet us at the lines, bring your guns by axlr8or · · Score: 0

    I wonder how long it would take for them to start shooting eachother.

  60. PLEASE MOD UP by bmajik · · Score: 1

    This is the first comment I've read about this article that made me go "ohhhhhhhhhhh crap".

    I think the US and the West should be _very_ careful with their due dilligence when thinking about how to handle ex-soviet satellites that want into the NATO party.

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    1. Re:PLEASE MOD UP by damburger · · Score: 1

      Being careful would've involved not expanding NATO, which was created quite openly as an alliance to contain Russia, right on to their doorstep. How were they supposed to react to being aggressively encircled like this? Estonia is spitting distance from Moscow. Georgia controls major oil pipelines. If the cold war had gone the other way and Canada had joined the Warsaw Pact you lot would've had kittens.

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    2. Re:PLEASE MOD UP by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Georgia had no reason to fear being attacked by Russia.

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    3. Re:PLEASE MOD UP by damburger · · Score: 1

      I'm not apologising for Russia... but we should acknowledge our part in creating this situation. Having done that, we should move on and look for a solution that involves as few people being killed as possible.

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    4. Re:PLEASE MOD UP by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I'm not apologising for Russia... but we should acknowledge our part in creating this situation

      So you're saying the likelihood of offering NATO membership to Georgia created this situation? What would have been the morally correct thing to do, say, "sorry, guys, we know Russia has been itching to invade you guys for ten years but you're on your own, we don't want to piss them off"?

      The reason Georgia was interested in NATO is the very reason NATO was created. If Georgia is a poor candidate, then NATO ought to just be disbanded as it's now meaningless.

      Regarding the Canada analogy, Cuba would be a better example, as it's already happened. The Bay of Pigs invasion is now known as an ill-considered disaster. Yet, for the next 30 years, Cuba remained a client state of the Soviet Union, many people think with nuclear missiles, 90 miles from the US.

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  61. Inappropriate Humor? by srobert · · Score: 1

    To those who keep harping on the "inappropriate" humor regarding war, lighten up already. Seeing the lighter side will make this a more enjoyable war for all of us.

  62. Georgia = OIL ... WWIII here we come! by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bush apparently has learned about Georgia's oil. This must be the case since he's been all over the news demanding that Russia pull back from Georgia.

    Expect in the next week or two for Russia to be renamed by Bush as the pinnacle of his axis of evil, and for the warm of to WWIII to get underway. We already know Russia has real weapons of mass destruction, Bush won't have to lie half as much this time around. ... and we were only a couple months away from Bush's reign of stupidity ending.

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  63. Dear halivar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I can tell you that both northern states are by far-and-away more racist than Georgia. In 14 years, not once (NOT ONCE -- for emphasis) have I heard a white person use the N-word"

    Sorry to hear about your hearing impairment. I hope you are otherwise able to lead a normal, productive life.

  64. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, Google Maps YOU!

  65. Ossetia == Mini-Sudetenland. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They did so by shelling civilians in Tsinhvali. ... Some _1500_ innocents have died as a direct result of this aggression... 90% of all Southern Ossetians hold russian citizenship...Remember Kosovo? This isn't any different.

    You just regurgitated the majority of well crafted Russian Propaganda that has surrounded this affair. Allow me to cut this Gordian Knot.

    South Ossetia is South of the Caucasus Mountains . Even the BBC seem to have gotten their heads out of there asses about this fact, and have finally shown a topographical map of the region. Surprise, surprise. It turns out that the only connection between "North Ossetia" and "South Ossetia" is a the Roki Tunnel constructed in 1957. Yet we are all expected to believe that South Ossetia, has a long rich and deep cultural connection to their northern neighbours, and not with Georgia.

    Look at the provence's profile. Most of it lies above 1000m. Total population ~70,000(There are 250,000 Russian's living in London). Do you know what South Ossetia is? It's a mountain slope. I'm a firm believer in self determination, but wars of national liberation over a bushel of villages on a mountain crag is taking it too far. Comparisons to Kosovo are laughable. Kosovo has over 30 times the population and twice the land mass, with most of that actually being below 1000m.

    Border populations like the South Ossetian's exist all over the world, and I'm not in favor of national lines being redrawn to accommodate a handful of malcontents. Oppressed populations perhaps, but there is exactly zero evidence of that. Zero. A war over any such region is totally and completely unjustified.

    You want to know what South Ossetia really is? It's a mini Sudentenland. Yeah, yeah, Godwin's Law, sue me. It's a good comparison. A very good comparison in fact. South Ossetia is an excuse, and excuse and nothing more, for Russia to put the smack down on Georgia and bring what it regards as a "near-abroad" province back under its boot. And it's not even a very good excuse.

    I've been saying the following for a while, with a new sentence getting added every few years or so. The Bear is up. He's out of Hibernation, and has taken a very long piss. He's licked his wounds. He's wolfed down a few morsels. He's been seen marking the trees around his old haunts. He's been heard growling and roaring, and seen pawing the ground. Here's my latest addition:

    The Bear has just made his first big kill in a very long time.

    The Bear is back, he is On-Form, and the everybody(especially younger types) had better start getting used to it!

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    1. Re:Ossetia == Mini-Sudetenland. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      A good analysis, I only note the following:
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Caucasus-ethnic_en.svg

      The ethnic group does indeed span the mountains.

      That said, it's been pretty obvious for years now that Georgia and Russia were going to go to war, and Putin has been looking to flex his muscles. Former KGB agent, no love for the west, suddenly fat on oil revenues, an adjacent country threatening to join NATO... yeah.

    2. Re:Ossetia == Mini-Sudetenland. by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Most of it lies above 1000m

      What's inherently special or odd about that? The city of Johannesburg is 1700m above sea level for example, and other major surrounding cities are similarly elevated.

  66. The US admits to using propaganda on its allies? by janrinok · · Score: 1

    There is no need for a battle for our hearts and minds in Europe. We are able to make our own judgements based on facts, not on another nation's propaganda campaign. We too have people (diplomats, businessmen, casual visitors etc) in the region and do not need to rely on a third party to tell us what has been happening there, and is actually happening now. Why do you feel that you need to mount a 'media war' in Europe. We are allies but, if this is how you treat your friends, perhaps we would be better off rethinking that deal.

    Nit-picking, I know. The country is Great Britain, and its inhabitants are, for the most part, British. There is no 'Brittish' news that I can find. A runaway keyboard, perhaps? :-)

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  67. Mod parent up - The ring of truth is there by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 1

    As stated, please mod parent up. The GP either cares to forget or is ignorant to point out that one of the greatest examples of racist bigotry existed in Stone Mountain, Georgia. The extreme racist not-so-recent past of Stone Mountain was so relevant that Martin Luther King referred to it in his "I Have a Dream" speech:

    Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

    To the grandparent's credit, there is relevant racism outside of the south. From urban gentrification to the unreported surge brown-on-black violence, strong elements of racism do exist. However, these trends outside of the south cannot be attributed to only Caucasians.

    1. Re:Mod parent up - The ring of truth is there by Zorque · · Score: 1

      Just because the area was full of racial tensions in the 60's doesn't mean it is today, maybe it's a well-integrated area specifically because of the tensions that existed there. Maybe people there saw the depths that their hatred took them to, and decided to make a change for the better.

  68. The University should be wary by JohnTheFree · · Score: 1

    If I should ever contribute a bit of information to the global infrastructure, danger to the Gamma Phi Beta Sorority and University system in the state of Georgia about Nicole Taylor as an invading force which seeks to alter the course of further progression of students.

  69. Well, you may be not aware of this by melted · · Score: 3, Informative

    But Georgia was under Russian rule for well over 200 years. Then it was broken off by separatists and declared itself a separate country. It's kind of like separatists come to power in Texas and declare it a separate country - you wouldn't like it. There were people in Ossetia who didn't like it - after all, Georgia has about as much of a right to Ossetia as Russia, so Ossetians FOUGHT for independence from Georgia FOR YEARS, with a lot of lives lost. They even called that particular war a "patriotic" one. They are not Georgians, most of them speak Russian only and are Russian citizens, why the fuck should they just roll over and spread their butt cheeks to Georgians?

    The sequence of events was like this: Georgia flattens a sleeping city, killing a bunch of Russian citizens among everybody else. Russia goes to the UN and asks to intervene. The UN gives it a middle finger. Russia says "fuck it, we'll pwn them then" and proceeds with pwning Georgia on its own.

    Finally, there's no "invasion" of Georgia going on. There's bombing of the military bases (watch your tax dollars go up in smoke, US citizens!), to be sure, but there are no troops on the ground. If Russia wanted to, Tbilisi would already be in ruins. But it won't happen, because there are a TON of Russians living in Georgia too.

    How THE FUCK is this "Russian aggression" I keep reading about in US media?

    1. Re:Well, you may be not aware of this by LMariachi · · Score: 1

      It's kind of like separatists come to power in Texas and declare it a separate country - you wouldn't like it.

      Actually, many of us would love to be rid of Texas. Throw in Florida while you're at it.

    2. Re:Well, you may be not aware of this by consonant · · Score: 1

      Replace Russia, Georgia and Ossetia with India, Pakistan and Kashmir.

      Et voila!

  70. Good luck with that. by melted · · Score: 1

    >> would have to be responded by all of NATO

    It's one thing when you flatten a country with rusty, antique weapons (Iraq) or with practically no weapons at all (Yugoslavia). It's quite another when you go against a country whose ballistic missiles take only 9 minutes to reach Washington DC, who has weapons roughly similar in capability to your own, and whose army would simply dwarf anything NATO will be willing to put forward as it is, and can be boosted to many times its size through conscription within a month or two.

    A confrontation between NATO and Russia is simply not going to happen over something as insignificant as Georgia, if at all.

  71. Human power by JohnTheFree · · Score: 1

    I support the multiracial power movement which supercedes all other movements by integration (calculus?) I the dub Human power. Am I rediculous? yes Am I little bit late? fashionably Are you still confused? I hope so. Will I subjectively rate the originator of the post? No. Have fun. Stop hate. 0rdo novus seclorum.

  72. Heh, World in Conflict? by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    I especially like the answer in Cyrillic. 'All your base are belong to us!' I laughed until it hurt. xD

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  73. Re:The US admits to using propaganda on its allies by jacquesm · · Score: 1
  74. I know you're joking by melted · · Score: 1

    But no, you wouldn't like it if the state where most of your oil is located (yup, Texas) decided to become a separate country, believe me.

    http://geology.usgs.gov/connections/blm/energy/o&g_assess.htm

    Let alone if it was to become a separate Spanish-speaking country and tell the English speaking US citizens to get the fuck out.

  75. Re:The US admits to using propaganda on its allies by janrinok · · Score: 1

    Thank you, but the link doesn't mention a media battle nor propaganda. So your point is?

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  76. Re:The US admits to using propaganda on its allies by jacquesm · · Score: 1

    you were wondering about the 'british' media... the 'b' in bbc stands for british.

  77. Where's An Editor When You Need One? by reallocate · · Score: 1

    Eh?

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  78. scare crows often? by boombaard · · Score: 1

    Neat way to read what I said.
    Thinking something is misused/applied is rather different from thinking something is useless (or not "understanding" it) in my book, though.
    So unless you consider nationalism/'race'ism a necessary part of one's experience of 'pride', i'm not really sure what it is you are responding to.

  79. Time to correct yet another bogus name? by jc42 · · Score: 1

    The media and political worlds seem to have learned to accept names like Sri Lanka (was Ceylon), Myanmar (was Burma), and even the Congo -> Zaire -> Congo name changes. I've even seen publications use "Brasil" rather than "Brazil". And we've partially accepted the fact that there's no "the" in the name of "Ukraine", since the Ukrainian language doesn't even have a definite article. This shows that we are capable of adjusting our idea of a country's name, to within the limits of English phonology and our illogical spelling system.

    So maybe it's time that we learn of the small country whose actual name is "Sakartvelo", and give up on the bizarre "Georgia" misnomer. We should be able to handle the correct name, since it's not terribly difficult to pronounce.

    OTOH, it is occasionally useful for this sort of humor. And it's useful over there as an example of the Western world's contempt for insignificant small countries. "They can't even be bothered to learn our name. Oh, well; at least they don't call us by an insulting name, as they do with some other countries."

    Another mildly humorous example is what you get if you ask wikipedia about "Sakartvelo".

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  80. Citizens? Pawns. by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind that 90% of all Southern Ossetians hold russian citizenship.

    How did they come by this citizenship?

    Obviously, many were born in the USSR. So were the ethnic Georgians, but they are now Georgian citizens.

    Seems that Russia left this convenient foot in the door for their Everlasting Quest for a warm water port.

    Next, Armenians will be declared Russian citizens. Then all inhabitants of any area that was at any time considered part of Greater Armenia. Since this includes Cilicia, they will have their warm water port.

    That's easier than declaring all the Turkish people to be Russian citizens. Russia has tried for centuries to control Constantinople, with Cilicia they will not have to.

    It doesn't look like their old plan through Afghanistan to Baluchistan is going to happen, and that's George Bush's fault. It will take too long for Iran to crumble enough to give Russia a pretense, so scratch that idea and make Iran an ally.

    The Second Great Game is well underway.

  81. googlemaps is to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search for "Java, Georgia" - that's not even a village named Java but an address in Hinesville.

    Even if I manually zoom in on Georgia (the country) and repeat the search for "Java, Georgia", googlemaps throws me back to the US, with a bunch of even less relevant results. Note that even if Georgia looks like an uninhabited area on googlemaps, there are several entries for the right Java, you just don't get through to them. (I had to use a trick: search for the German name)

    Fucking US-centrists. A country name should always be more relevant than a name of a member state of a country. Same goes for everybody who automatically assumed that that girl on yahoo.com posted from Georgia, USA.

  82. The South (Ossetia) Will Rise Again! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    While there is no argument that this is a serious war, the fact that everyone here in the United States keeps thinking that Georgia is the state where General Sherman burned Atlanta to the group, now would be a good time to refere to Georgia (the country) by its pronounciation Sakartvelo (SAK-ART-VEH-LOH).

    Another problem I have noticed is that the TLD acronym for Georgia (the country) is .ge. (Gabon has .ga).

    The most concerning part about this war is the cyberattacks both from Russia and from Sakartvelo. I am interested to see the report from RIPE NCC about this situation.

    Secondly, I am also concerned about how this war will affect neighboring countries of Armenia (south of Sakartvelo), Azerbaijan (east of Sakartvelo), Belarus (which has had some conflicts with Russia), Ukraine (which is also thinking of joining NATO).

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  83. Whoa wait. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    Did the summary just say that everyone in Georgia, USA is a racist?

  84. wrong by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

    Georgia was under Russian rule for well under 100 years.

    from wiki:
    Georgia became part of the Soviet Union in 1922 and regained its independence in 1991.

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    1. Re:wrong by melted · · Score: 1

      From Wiki:


      On December 22, 1800, Tsar Paul I of Russia, at the alleged request of the Georgian King George XII, signed the proclamation on the incorporation of Georgia (Kartli-Kakheti) within the Russian Empire, which was finalized by a decree on January 8, 1801,[19][20] and confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on September 12, 1801.

      Post-revolution "independence" doesn't really count. The Red Army just didn't get there in time because of more pressing concerns. Surely you don't think Stalin's homeland would go independent easily?

  85. Easy targets by crashfortytwo · · Score: 1

    Non-Hispanic Caucasians, like Christians, are a favorite target these days for the simple fact that they don't generally fight back. It's just not worth the time to try to fight an unwinnable battle. Do what you do, ignore the idiots and move on with life. Incidentally, those who seem to think that everyone in the South is some sort of backwards, ignorant, racist, hick have either never been to the South, or they're trying to perpetuate a cycle of ignorance similar to the one they claim infests the South.

  86. Rich retreat by erice · · Score: 1

    "White flight" isn't really about white people leaving. It's about wealthy and middle class people abandoning neighborhoods and taking their resources with them, leaving only the poor behind.