IBM only want's to sell it's hardware, I don't think they could care much less about the OS (remember OS/2). As long as they can ride on the back of a free labor force they are happy campers.
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that IBM had told its managers to plan on moving as many as 4,730 high-tech jobs from the United States, (I wonder if they are the Linux testers)
Some of whom will be required to train the foreign workers who will replace them.
Thank's IBM. You will be remembered. I'm happy I have nothing to do with them.
I think that the combination of out sourcing and the open source movement has done the industry no good, no good at all. Yes "Unix" (alias Linux) has once again reared its head, but so what. It's has been around for let see... 30 Years or so. Might as well give it a go.
I think that Red Hat has seen the writing on the wall and jumped to the "Enterprise" market.
As For UNIX I'll stick with Solaris. At least they innovate on a technical and hardware level and not just on the "Distribution" level.
I see most Lin/UNIX companies waiting for the next improvement and features added by the innovative competition then the masses study and eventually copy the feature set. Not much innovation there.
This "Me Too" type of development process can be easily moved to China, Russia, India, Mexico, or maybe even Finland (don't see many programming jobs moving to Finland, not exactly the capitalist model 60%+taxes!) Maybe we could start an open source movement funding language courses in America, why not? It may add to the skill set future programmers in America will need to compete. Open Source Hindi, Think about it, it could start by moving Indian call desk Jobs to the US;-)
It seems that most of the open source comments here border on religious rather then sound economics. I get the feeling that Most have an axe to grind with one commercial software company or another and let it be known.
In my humble opinion (I hate acronyms) I'm just a software consumer, not a developer and I know nothing about sitting behind a computer and trying to develop a product then spending months (years?) typing away, while hoping to make a buck. We will have some people with software that is "Centrally Planned and Managed" where one of the objectives is value add which results in profit (The so called "Dark Side") You can buy it or not, and others that will be built "By Committee" and open to all who care to add to it with out much oversight and/or planning (i.e. open source IE patch), Maybe it fits maybe not, this seems to define the open source "politics" of today.
ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
IBM documents obtained by The Wall Street Journal said about 4,700 programming jobs could be shifted overseas to save costs, a growing high-tech industry trend known as "offshoring."
More than 900 people are already scheduled to be told of the move in the first half of 2004, while another 3,700 jobs have been identified as having the "potential to move offshore," the Journal said. IBM already has hired 500 engineers in India to take on some of the work that will be moved, the Journal reported.
The division affected is IBM's Application Management Services group, part of Big Blue's huge technology services division. The IBM facilities where workers could be replaced include offices in Dallas, Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie, New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, and Boulder, Colorado.
IBM spokesman James Sciales said he would not comment on "internal presentations" but noted that most of IBM's work force, which now totals 315,000, has been overseas for years. Sciales also released a statement saying IBM expects hiring in the United States next year will match or exceed 2003 levels.
While companies long ago began moving manufacturing jobs and other blue-collar work to Asia, big business is now increasingly shifting skilled work there as well. According to International Data Corp., foreign workers performed about 5 percent of information technology services for American companies this year, but by 2007, that share will grow to 23 percent.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
IBM shares were up 76 cents at $93.47 in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
Steve Mills, Senior Vice President and Group Executive IBM Corporation
ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
IBM documents obtained by The Wall Street Journal said about 4,700 programming jobs could be shifted overseas to save costs, a growing high-tech industry trend known as "offshoring."
More than 900 people are already scheduled to be told of the move in the first half of 2004, while another 3,700 jobs have been identified as having the "potential to move offshore," the Journal said. IBM already has hired 500 engineers in India to take on some of the work that will be moved, the Journal reported.
The division affected is IBM's Application Management Services group, part of Big Blue's huge technology services division. The IBM facilities where workers could be replaced include offices in Dallas, Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie, New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, and Boulder, Colorado.
IBM spokesman James Sciales said he would not comment on "internal presentations" but noted that most of IBM's work force, which now totals 315,000, has been overseas for years. Sciales also released a statement saying IBM expects hiring in the United States next year will match or exceed 2003 levels.
While companies long ago began moving manufacturing jobs and other blue-collar work to Asia, big business is now increasingly shifting skilled work there as well. According to International Data Corp., foreign workers performed about 5 percent of information technology services for American companies this year, but by 2007, that share will grow to 23 percent.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
IBM shares were up 76 cents at $93.47 in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
IBM: Welcome to Linux at IBM: Linux hardware, software, services and support all in one place. As a recognized leader in the Linux community and the premier provider of end-to-end Linux solutions. IBM considers Linux one of the cornerstones of the on-demand operating environment.
CNN: IBM moving 4,700 hi-tech jobs to Asia.ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
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Does anyone remember "Blue Box" Novell. Novell and IBM have been partners for a long time. I used to install the Novell 2.x products at the IBM sites. Then it was shipped in a Blue IBM box.
So.. as far as IBM "getting behind" Novell. I've seen it before. Did'nt work out so well.
In essence IBM is intrested in getting away from having to guarentee thier software. In the old days every piece of software had a statement that it would do what it was adviertised to do. No with the GPL they no longer have to. Big advantage for IBM.
In real terms, Do you belive that they have actually be "Paying anything" to microsoft anyway?.
Most of the Asian goverments are running on phoney software anyway, so the move to "Open Source" is just a horizontal move. In line with there understanding of "free" market.
I think that's what Poindexter tried to acomplish with the now infamous "Terror Futures Market". Which although it sounds bad, would have worked better then the system of "experts" being used now. Market forces at work.
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IBM only want's to sell it's hardware, I don't think they could care much less about the OS (remember OS/2). As long as they can ride on the back of a free labor force they are happy campers.
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that IBM had told its managers to plan on moving as many as 4,730 high-tech jobs from the United States, (I wonder if they are the Linux testers)
Some of whom will be required to train the foreign workers who will replace them.
Thank's IBM. You will be remembered. I'm happy I have nothing to do with them.
Open source is digging its own hole.
;-)
I think that the combination of out sourcing and the open source movement has done the industry no good, no good at all. Yes "Unix" (alias Linux) has once again reared its head, but so what. It's has been around for let see... 30 Years or so. Might as well give it a go.
I think that Red Hat has seen the writing on the wall and jumped to the "Enterprise" market.
As For UNIX I'll stick with Solaris. At least they innovate on a technical and hardware level and not just on the "Distribution" level.
I see most Lin/UNIX companies waiting for the next improvement and features added by the innovative competition then the masses study and eventually copy the feature set. Not much innovation there.
This "Me Too" type of development process can be easily moved to China, Russia, India, Mexico, or maybe even Finland (don't see many programming jobs moving to Finland, not exactly the capitalist model 60%+taxes!) Maybe we could start an open source movement funding language courses in America, why not? It may add to the skill set future programmers in America will need to compete. Open Source Hindi, Think about it, it could start by moving Indian call desk Jobs to the US
It seems that most of the open source comments here border on religious rather then sound economics. I get the feeling that Most have an axe to grind with one commercial software company or another and let it be known.
In my humble opinion (I hate acronyms) I'm just a software consumer, not a developer and I know nothing about sitting behind a computer and trying to develop a product then spending months (years?) typing away, while hoping to make a buck. We will have some people with software that is "Centrally Planned and Managed" where one of the objectives is value add which results in profit (The so called "Dark Side") You can buy it or not, and others that will be built "By Committee" and open to all who care to add to it with out much oversight and/or planning (i.e. open source IE patch), Maybe it fits maybe not, this seems to define the open source "politics" of today.
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ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
IBM documents obtained by The Wall Street Journal said about 4,700 programming jobs could be shifted overseas to save costs, a growing high-tech industry trend known as "offshoring."
More than 900 people are already scheduled to be told of the move in the first half of 2004, while another 3,700 jobs have been identified as having the "potential to move offshore," the Journal said. IBM already has hired 500 engineers in India to take on some of the work that will be moved, the Journal reported.
The division affected is IBM's Application Management Services group, part of Big Blue's huge technology services division. The IBM facilities where workers could be replaced include offices in Dallas, Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie, New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, and Boulder, Colorado.
IBM spokesman James Sciales said he would not comment on "internal presentations" but noted that most of IBM's work force, which now totals 315,000, has been overseas for years. Sciales also released a statement saying IBM expects hiring in the United States next year will match or exceed 2003 levels.
While companies long ago began moving manufacturing jobs and other blue-collar work to Asia, big business is now increasingly shifting skilled work there as well. According to International Data Corp., foreign workers performed about 5 percent of information technology services for American companies this year, but by 2007, that share will grow to 23 percent.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
IBM shares were up 76 cents at $93.47 in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
Steve Mills, Senior Vice President and Group Executive
IBM Corporation
ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
IBM documents obtained by The Wall Street Journal said about 4,700 programming jobs could be shifted overseas to save costs, a growing high-tech industry trend known as "offshoring."
More than 900 people are already scheduled to be told of the move in the first half of 2004, while another 3,700 jobs have been identified as having the "potential to move offshore," the Journal said. IBM already has hired 500 engineers in India to take on some of the work that will be moved, the Journal reported.
The division affected is IBM's Application Management Services group, part of Big Blue's huge technology services division. The IBM facilities where workers could be replaced include offices in Dallas, Southbury, Connecticut, Poughkeepsie, New York, Raleigh, North Carolina, and Boulder, Colorado.
IBM spokesman James Sciales said he would not comment on "internal presentations" but noted that most of IBM's work force, which now totals 315,000, has been overseas for years. Sciales also released a statement saying IBM expects hiring in the United States next year will match or exceed 2003 levels.
While companies long ago began moving manufacturing jobs and other blue-collar work to Asia, big business is now increasingly shifting skilled work there as well. According to International Data Corp., foreign workers performed about 5 percent of information technology services for American companies this year, but by 2007, that share will grow to 23 percent.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
IBM shares were up 76 cents at $93.47 in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
IBM moving 4,700 hi-tech jobs to Asia
IBM:
Welcome to Linux at IBM: Linux hardware, software, services and support all in one place. As a recognized leader in the Linux community and the premier provider of end-to-end Linux solutions. IBM considers Linux one of the cornerstones of the on-demand operating environment.
CNN:
IBM moving 4,700 hi-tech jobs to Asia.ARMONK, New York (AP) -- IBM Corp. plans to move up to several thousand skilled software jobs from the United States to India, China and other countries, which could amount to one of the biggest such actions yet in the technology industry.
Often, the American workers being replaced are called upon to train their overseas replacements. The same will be expected of IBM employees whose jobs are being transferred, according to the Journal.
Open Source is cool.
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Solaris: 99.00, works well.
Does anyone remember "Blue Box" Novell.
Novell and IBM have been partners for a long time. I used to install the Novell 2.x products at the IBM sites. Then it was shipped in a Blue IBM box.
So.. as far as IBM "getting behind" Novell. I've seen it before. Did'nt work out so well.
In essence IBM is intrested in getting away from having to guarentee thier software. In the old days every piece of software had a statement that it would do what it was adviertised to do. No with the GPL they no longer have to. Big advantage for IBM.
In real terms, Do you belive that they have actually be "Paying anything" to microsoft anyway?. Most of the Asian goverments are running on phoney software anyway, so the move to "Open Source" is just a horizontal move. In line with there understanding of "free" market.
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I think that's what Poindexter tried to acomplish with the now infamous "Terror Futures Market". Which although it sounds bad, would have worked better then the system of "experts" being used now. Market forces at work.