It also seems that they could have wrapped a recovery mission into a probe flyby. Just have a small probe fly past and shoot a signal down to the surface to reset the antenna.
I guess they got everything out of the rover they needed. Additional time from the rover would not have added any significant value.
IIRC, the main reason these new rovers were really stressed is that the first one landed in a shithole. They needed to go a few miles to get out of volcanic ash to find anything interesting.
Damn straight. Also, the contribution should be limited to no more than $100 per person. That way, Bill Gates has no more or less influence than some random Seattle street urchin. Campaigns cost too much money? Well, tough fucking luck.
Of course, there is still a problem with private companies (RNC/DNC) taking money and publishing ads on behalf of a candidate without actually giving the money to a candidate. And if you try and limit their rights, then that whole pesky First Amendment thing gets in the way.
Of course, the only people who could make this happen will never actually do anything to hurt their own self-interests.
I have read *about* the case, but I'm not intimately familiar with the details.
For the most part, judges are pretty clever. They really have a low tolerance for what they consider bullshit. *If* GM pollen does actually pollinate non-GM fields, then why are we not seeing a class-action suit? And if this guy is the only one, then why? What's so special about his fields?
>>This is why, for example, a number of countries in Africa have stopped accepting any whole GM grains as food aid.
That's a red herring. Africa readily accepts patented medication; why not patented grain? Because starving people are easier to control.
Africa does not care about US patents. They care about control.
As for Europe, they have a different agenda. They see the US as, well, evil. They don't want to be in a position that looks anything like what the US is in. They forbid GM food and forbid growth hormone in animals.
Maybe they are right. Maybe they aren't. But their reasons for doing so are illogical.
>>nobody imagined that a company might patent a genetically modified seed and then sue farmers for saving some from last years' crop for this year
This has nothing to do with a patent; it's a licensing issue. Farmers want to continue doing business in the "old ways" while reaping the benefits of new tech. Also, note that this is an Agribusiness vs. Chemical Company issue. Both sides are equally evil.
>>a huge economy around software (which changes far faster than many other fields of innovation, and is thus not well served by 15-20 year monopolies) would develop.
You don't know what may or may not need 10+ years to turn a profit. Yes, Widget X probably could deal with a 18-month patent process. But if you spend 5 years writing some wiz-bang new applet, then you need time to recoup your expenses.
Think about virtualization. If you introduced something revolutionary, you'd be pissed if Zen or VMWare just waited 18 months to copy it. Ir if you developed a new compression algorithm.
We don't know what will be released tomorrow. Something released in 12 months might be so revolutionary that the creator deserves 14+ years to recoup his expenses.
Speaking of patent reform, read about Velcro. The guy "created" velcro and then major textile companies just waited for it to expire and then they copied it.
First off, downloading is not illegal. Uploading is the problem.
Second, not everyone who was charged actually shared copyrighted content. There have been several cases where people were charged and didn't even have an internet connection.
If the students care enough, they will all cancel their accounts. When the University sees a drop in revenue, they will have to decide.
Pulling authoritarian crap like this in a place where people are naturally rebelling against everything and anything is a good way to get egg on your face.
When I lived in Italy, I noticed the DJs always talked over the first and last 20 seconds of every song. A friend told me it was so that people don't record the music.
It's kind of annoying, but understandable. The RIAA wants to use MTV and radio as an advertisement for CDs and DVDs. The artists want to use the CDs and DVDs as an advertisement for live performances. The radio stations want to use music as a filler between their own advertisements.
In the end, everyone makes money.
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>>What about pharmaceuticals
Since you work in the industry, you are probably a bit biased. But here's my $.02:
Pharmaceuticals should be developed by government grants and the IP turned over to Public Domain. A list of the 20 worst ailments that *could* be treated with drugs should be created. Then, funding would go from the Federal Government to Universities willing to work on those problems.
1. When Linux becomes prevalent, Dell will start adding Yahoo toolbars and links to websites on the desktop. And for the time being, if you know what Linux is, you probably know how to use Add/Remove Programs on Windows and delete shortcuts from the desktop.
2. OO works on Windows and Linux. I'm not sure how having a Windows laptop automatically adds the cost of Office.
3. Bad habits of the user will remain no matter the tool. I run Windows and Linux and I don't have spyware on either. If I bork a Windows install, I can find a lot of people willing to fix it for money. Usually within the same day. Some make house calls. It's not that expensive. If I bork Linux, I have to hope someone in an IRC channel is willing to help. Or maybe post on some message board and check back every few hours. There might be 3 guys in my State doing Linux support. None of them make house calls. All of them will charge shitloads.
>>I did not even list the other software it ships with and the equivalents would likely run you into the thousands.
And most, if not all, are available on Windows. For those not available, I can install VMWare (free) and Debian.
I run several websites off of a single host. If I need to login to do maintenance during peak hours, I'm slowed by Apache and MySQL. This would be a nice utility if it were wrapped into SUDO.
They can be inconsistent. For instance, if I TAB to a day field and then type 1 and then 2, I want to I get 12. But in practice, sometimes I get 2. Other times, I get 20. Rarely do I actually get 12.
The problem with declaring these "winners" is that it's obviously bullshit.
Christ is like, what, 100' tall? The Statue of Liberty has at least 50' on that thing. And while I'm sure that ancient Americans did some good work to get rocks to sit on top of each other, digging the Chunnel is much more impressive.
If you had actually *read* my post, you'd see that I pointed out that it was *not* an analogy.
>>Stealing your laptop is a criminal offense.
So is copyright infringement. The beginning of every movie tells you so.
>>Despite their propaganda, unlicensed copying of a RIAA member organization's content is a civil matter AND not theft.
I never said it was. My comment had nothing at all to do with the RIAA. It was a story about a guy who had his laptop stolen. He did an investigation and found the laptop. However, since he isn't licensed, the evidence he obtained cannot be used.
Look, I'm all for the RIAA burning in hell. But I really hate the idea of having to use a "licensed" investigator. The following *is not* to be taken for a RIAA analogy:
Let's say your laptop is stolen. Let's say you had a program that reported IP addresses. Someone buys your laptop from the thief for a stupid low price and hooks it up. It reports their IP. You turn the evidence over to a cop who goes to get your laptop.
1. You were not licensed to be an investigator. 2. The program author was also not licensed. 3. The cop obtained evidence from you.
The person who bought stolen property cannot be charged with a crime. All because you didn't have a "license".
Instead, the law requiring a license should be replaced with a "suspects' bill of rights". Anyone can investigate, but if his/her rights are violated, then the evidence becomes poisoned fruit.
The NRA camp aren't the type that will ever lose their guns. You'd have to use the military to forcefully remove their guns. In a lot of cases, it just would not happen.
>>they will want to fight for freedom but they only knew how to use guns
The NRA lobby knows a lot more about using the ballot and jury boxes than most people...
Wikipedia advises that fraud, in the criminal sense, comes into play when one party deceives another party in order to damage them.
By lying to obtain transcripts, I have not "damaged" the school. I also have not "damaged" you. What I do with those transcripts may or may not cause damage, but the sheer act of obtaining them has not caused damage.
All three of those have very limited definitions. All three are *very* hard to prove in court. None of those come into play when the RIAA calls your ISP and asks for the name and address of the person who leased a specific IP at a specific time and date.
Then you should have no problem going to RIAA headquarters with a laptop and downloading in plain view. The Boston Tea Party was done in public.
>>The University benefits financially if it scares the students into not downloading anything in the future.
The University and its students gain from reduced bandwith usage. People downloading music would also gain from less downloading and more studying. But that's neither here nor there...
>>The fact remains that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution openly declare that GOD and God alone gave you your freedoms, they are only protecting them. This is a violation of those God-given freedoms, for the sake of profit.
Don't singers and songwriters also have rights? Doesn't the University have rights? Doesn't the RIAA have the right to find out who is sharing their members' product without permission?
Or maybe you think that only poor collage students have rights? Rich, old, white men and poor, young, black students are both equal. They both have the right to pursue life liberty and happiness.
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It also seems that they could have wrapped a recovery mission into a probe flyby. Just have a small probe fly past and shoot a signal down to the surface to reset the antenna.
I guess they got everything out of the rover they needed. Additional time from the rover would not have added any significant value.
IIRC, the main reason these new rovers were really stressed is that the first one landed in a shithole. They needed to go a few miles to get out of volcanic ash to find anything interesting.
Damn straight. Also, the contribution should be limited to no more than $100 per person. That way, Bill Gates has no more or less influence than some random Seattle street urchin. Campaigns cost too much money? Well, tough fucking luck.
Of course, there is still a problem with private companies (RNC/DNC) taking money and publishing ads on behalf of a candidate without actually giving the money to a candidate. And if you try and limit their rights, then that whole pesky First Amendment thing gets in the way.
Of course, the only people who could make this happen will never actually do anything to hurt their own self-interests.
I have read *about* the case, but I'm not intimately familiar with the details.
For the most part, judges are pretty clever. They really have a low tolerance for what they consider bullshit. *If* GM pollen does actually pollinate non-GM fields, then why are we not seeing a class-action suit? And if this guy is the only one, then why? What's so special about his fields?
>>This is why, for example, a number of countries in Africa have stopped accepting any whole GM grains as food aid.
That's a red herring. Africa readily accepts patented medication; why not patented grain? Because starving people are easier to control.
Africa does not care about US patents. They care about control.
As for Europe, they have a different agenda. They see the US as, well, evil. They don't want to be in a position that looks anything like what the US is in. They forbid GM food and forbid growth hormone in animals.
Maybe they are right. Maybe they aren't. But their reasons for doing so are illogical.
>>nobody imagined that a company might patent a genetically modified seed and then sue farmers for saving some from last years' crop for this year
This has nothing to do with a patent; it's a licensing issue. Farmers want to continue doing business in the "old ways" while reaping the benefits of new tech. Also, note that this is an Agribusiness vs. Chemical Company issue. Both sides are equally evil.
>>a huge economy around software (which changes far faster than many other fields of innovation, and is thus not well served by 15-20 year monopolies) would develop.
You don't know what may or may not need 10+ years to turn a profit. Yes, Widget X probably could deal with a 18-month patent process. But if you spend 5 years writing some wiz-bang new applet, then you need time to recoup your expenses.
Think about virtualization. If you introduced something revolutionary, you'd be pissed if Zen or VMWare just waited 18 months to copy it. Ir if you developed a new compression algorithm.
We don't know what will be released tomorrow. Something released in 12 months might be so revolutionary that the creator deserves 14+ years to recoup his expenses.
Speaking of patent reform, read about Velcro. The guy "created" velcro and then major textile companies just waited for it to expire and then they copied it.
Best. Comment. Ever.
First off, downloading is not illegal. Uploading is the problem.
Second, not everyone who was charged actually shared copyrighted content. There have been several cases where people were charged and didn't even have an internet connection.
If the students care enough, they will all cancel their accounts. When the University sees a drop in revenue, they will have to decide.
Pulling authoritarian crap like this in a place where people are naturally rebelling against everything and anything is a good way to get egg on your face.
When I lived in Italy, I noticed the DJs always talked over the first and last 20 seconds of every song. A friend told me it was so that people don't record the music.
It's kind of annoying, but understandable. The RIAA wants to use MTV and radio as an advertisement for CDs and DVDs. The artists want to use the CDs and DVDs as an advertisement for live performances. The radio stations want to use music as a filler between their own advertisements.
In the end, everyone makes money.
>>What about pharmaceuticals
Since you work in the industry, you are probably a bit biased. But here's my $.02:
Pharmaceuticals should be developed by government grants and the IP turned over to Public Domain. A list of the 20 worst ailments that *could* be treated with drugs should be created. Then, funding would go from the Federal Government to Universities willing to work on those problems.
TREX 450S Carbon here. I upgraded to the all metal head. I go by 'xptical' on RCGroups and HeliFreaks.
1. When Linux becomes prevalent, Dell will start adding Yahoo toolbars and links to websites on the desktop. And for the time being, if you know what Linux is, you probably know how to use Add/Remove Programs on Windows and delete shortcuts from the desktop.
2. OO works on Windows and Linux. I'm not sure how having a Windows laptop automatically adds the cost of Office.
3. Bad habits of the user will remain no matter the tool. I run Windows and Linux and I don't have spyware on either. If I bork a Windows install, I can find a lot of people willing to fix it for money. Usually within the same day. Some make house calls. It's not that expensive. If I bork Linux, I have to hope someone in an IRC channel is willing to help. Or maybe post on some message board and check back every few hours. There might be 3 guys in my State doing Linux support. None of them make house calls. All of them will charge shitloads.
>>I did not even list the other software it ships with and the equivalents would likely run you into the thousands.
And most, if not all, are available on Windows. For those not available, I can install VMWare (free) and Debian.
How could the LiPo have not exploded? I use LiPos on my RC helicopters. If the battery is broken or punctured, they tend to start a fire...
I run several websites off of a single host. If I need to login to do maintenance during peak hours, I'm slowed by Apache and MySQL. This would be a nice utility if it were wrapped into SUDO.
They can be inconsistent. For instance, if I TAB to a day field and then type 1 and then 2, I want to I get 12. But in practice, sometimes I get 2. Other times, I get 20. Rarely do I actually get 12.
The problem with declaring these "winners" is that it's obviously bullshit.
Christ is like, what, 100' tall? The Statue of Liberty has at least 50' on that thing. And while I'm sure that ancient Americans did some good work to get rocks to sit on top of each other, digging the Chunnel is much more impressive.
I want a fucking re-count...
If you had actually *read* my post, you'd see that I pointed out that it was *not* an analogy.
>>Stealing your laptop is a criminal offense.
So is copyright infringement. The beginning of every movie tells you so.
>>Despite their propaganda, unlicensed copying of a RIAA member organization's content is a civil matter AND not theft.
I never said it was. My comment had nothing at all to do with the RIAA. It was a story about a guy who had his laptop stolen. He did an investigation and found the laptop. However, since he isn't licensed, the evidence he obtained cannot be used.
Look, I'm all for the RIAA burning in hell. But I really hate the idea of having to use a "licensed" investigator. The following *is not* to be taken for a RIAA analogy:
Let's say your laptop is stolen. Let's say you had a program that reported IP addresses. Someone buys your laptop from the thief for a stupid low price and hooks it up. It reports their IP. You turn the evidence over to a cop who goes to get your laptop.
1. You were not licensed to be an investigator.
2. The program author was also not licensed.
3. The cop obtained evidence from you.
The person who bought stolen property cannot be charged with a crime. All because you didn't have a "license".
Instead, the law requiring a license should be replaced with a "suspects' bill of rights". Anyone can investigate, but if his/her rights are violated, then the evidence becomes poisoned fruit.
>>and when they lose their guns...
The NRA camp aren't the type that will ever lose their guns. You'd have to use the military to forcefully remove their guns. In a lot of cases, it just would not happen.
>>they will want to fight for freedom but they only knew how to use guns
The NRA lobby knows a lot more about using the ballot and jury boxes than most people...
Good, now I'll stop getting cold calls from "caller unknown". If my phone displays "caller unknown", I just made $10k.
Wikipedia advises that fraud, in the criminal sense, comes into play when one party deceives another party in order to damage them.
By lying to obtain transcripts, I have not "damaged" the school. I also have not "damaged" you. What I do with those transcripts may or may not cause damage, but the sheer act of obtaining them has not caused damage.
>>including libel/slander and fraud
All three of those have very limited definitions. All three are *very* hard to prove in court. None of those come into play when the RIAA calls your ISP and asks for the name and address of the person who leased a specific IP at a specific time and date.
>>Yeah, except, you know, their lives
Last I checked, there was no death penalty in the Civil Justice system.
>>and freedom
Like the poor really have freedom anyway. Hell, who *does* have freedom? Anyone who has a job does not have freedom.
>>Downloading music is a form of protest
Then you should have no problem going to RIAA headquarters with a laptop and downloading in plain view. The Boston Tea Party was done in public.
>>The University benefits financially if it scares the students into not downloading anything in the future.
The University and its students gain from reduced bandwith usage. People downloading music would also gain from less downloading and more studying. But that's neither here nor there...
>>The fact remains that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution openly declare that GOD and God alone gave you your freedoms, they are only protecting them. This is a violation of those God-given freedoms, for the sake of profit.
Don't singers and songwriters also have rights? Doesn't the University have rights? Doesn't the RIAA have the right to find out who is sharing their members' product without permission?
Or maybe you think that only poor collage students have rights? Rich, old, white men and poor, young, black students are both equal. They both have the right to pursue life liberty and happiness.
The Declaration of Independence was *signed*. Don't ever forget that. A lot of those men died for the right to *openly* criticize their government.
And people wonder why their government fails.
Keep laughing, asshole.