That's the best you can do? Man, I really expected better.
You KNOW the US isn't fascist, but you can't bring youself to admit you fucked up. It's ok, we've seen people like you before.
Now I know to ignore you, because you're just another blowhard who like to make shit up.
A troll in other words. Good luck with your sad, cynical, pathetic life. I hope the fascits get you.
And you never proved me wrong, but rather, proved my point, that you are completely incapable of acknowledging that I may have a point. Again, sad but not unexpected.
I'm so tired of you anti-US types. How much is enough for you? Should we bankrupt our country?
It could be nothing. If it were up to me, it would be. I have a class full of kids using 15 year old textbooks. I don't hear you claiming to feel sick abou that. Why not?
He calimed the US was "fascist" and we are not. That's propaganda. By using the very tool that he derides, he engages in hypocrisy.
Since you've made it clear to us all now how to read a post, why don't you try it. Seing as how, you know, you didn't.
The response about Bush was based on his PREVIOUS posts. Is it all that difficult to believe I've read his posts before?
Why be an asshole man? I wasn't. It's not that hard to be reasonable, but I'm not a geek, so my social skills are more developed. Maybe it is hard to be nice for people like you.
You don't think calling a democratically elected government "fascist" is in itself propaganda?
That's the problem in a nutshell. You blast one side fo rbehavior, then do exactly the same thing in response, and the worst part is you can't see it.
No matter your feelings about our current government, calling them fascist is just hyperbolic.
Of course, now we'll see the other part of the problem, the complete inability to acknowledge a lucid point, even though you disagree. Instead, I expect several ad-hominems, followed by equivocation, and attempts to justify the "fascist" comment.
You don't have to introduce yourself, we know who you are.
"So you're refering to the intellience community, the same one that claimed there were WMD in Iraq? That community"
Yes, and since NK ADMITTED to having nukes, they were right. What does the fact that they were wrong someplace else have to do with anything? Oh right, you're trying to change the subject YET AGAIN because you were proven wrong.
"NK restarted their nuclear power plant to begin their nuclear weapons project. Yet you claim they ALREADY had them"
Never said that so stop lying. I said they were DEVELOPING them, which is not the same. If lying and putting words in people's mouths is the best you can do, I understand now why you're so inept when it comes to international relations. It's all true, even though you don't like it.
So, instead of shooting the messenger for fucking up your simplistic anti-US world view, how about you improve your reading comprehension and educate yourself more.
You never did refute my statements, by the way. Because you can't.
"Apology? No, I think a piss off is more in order for you"
I should have known better than to expect civilized behavior from you.
"The law enforcement in California shouldn't be aware of my speeding ticket in New Jersey. It's not thier right to know!"
Why not? You act as though your privacy is being violated, but you forget rather quickly that driving is a PRIVILEGE. I'm not sure what "rights" they are violating.
This is a classic example of why you don't deal with the devil. You may not like the terms when it comes time to pay up.
PS I hate the idea of national ID cards, and will leave the country before submitting to them. Keep that in mind before you make snap judgements about my comments.
I love this. The CIA is evil, but when it serves you you quote their factbook. Well, this time I'll play the "CIA is puppet of the government and will say anything to support the Bush regume" card.
So refute that. Then, the next time you try that stupid tactic, I'll simply repeat your comments.
I was very specific when I said REAL democracy. If you are unable to see that Egypt is not a REAL democracy, then what's the point of wasting further time with you.
I also notice you fail to own up to your idiotic mistake of claiming Afghanistan is an arab country.
You clearly are not educated enough about the topic to discuss it intelligently, otherwise you wouldn't have made such mistakes.
"Similarly one could ask why should the US fear NK havign nuclear weapons"
Because NK would sell them to the highest bidder. That would put nukes on the open market.
If you are a reasonable individual, I find it impossible to believe that prospect doesn't scare you.
As for the rest of your post, stop trying to tell me what I'm claiming. I claimed exactly waht I said, nothing more. Stop reading things into my post to further your argument.
"If Iraq was about stability in the middle-east, how about providing stability for asia"
Because it's stable (relatively) already. Far far more stable than the middle east. Not sure how you could make an argument otherwise.
Asia= NK, and what else?
Middle East=Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt, etc.
You can't honestly be trying to claim Asia is less stable?
"somehow missed the sarcasm":) If that was your best attempt at sarcasm, you have work to do.
And if you read the follow ups, I wasn't the only one who missed the "sarcasm". Your post reads exactly like so many other anti-bush anti-us crap we've all had to wade through. It's tiring. In the future, in order to avoid such problems, remember that sarcasm is about the TONE of the message, so web boards are the worst possible place for it.
Nice try. Sad really, that instead of saying "you know what, you're right, it was unclear" you instead attack me (again) and offer a pathetic equivocation.
No, intelligent readers won't infer "NATIONAL HOLIDAY" from "they." Frankly, I have no idea how you would know anyting at all about intelligent readers. Nice work with the ad-hominem too.
Just own up to it. You're wrong, and it's obvious. Take your medicine.
First, thanks for attempting to discuss this reasonably. Propaganda gets so tiring.
Honestly, no I don't think they have anything to fear. While they are a brutal dictatorship ( I really expected someone to try to refute that, by the way) what reason would we go there for?
There's simply no real upside, unlike in Iraq, where (agree or disagree) the possibility for something completely new (a real arab democracy) finally exists. Cynics will talk about oil, which we all must agree also plays a part. What equivalent exists in N Korea?
"Actually its not...your statement is idiotic. Check you timeline; In Feb of 2002, Bush calls NK part of an 'Axis of Evil.' It isn't until late 2002 / early 2003 that NK restarted their nuclear weapons program"
He did that because he KNEW they were developing nukes. Everyone with any kind of intelligence program did. Are you too stupid to understand that, or are you trying to make it appear as though we didn't know they had nukes?
In 2001, in fact, N Korea met with the Russians to discuss... long range ballistic missiles. Why would they NEED ballistic missiles? You know why, but you'll try to find a way around it.
If you are wrong (which you are, it's clear) just say so.
Congratulations, ass, you just did exactly what we all expected. Instead of addressing the issue, you clouded it with the same anti-US crap we've heard over and over.
I asked you politely not to do that, so why would you make it your entire post? Are you illiterate? Stupid? There has to be a logical reason.
"Maybe they wouldn't be so scared if we didn't invade Afganistan. Then Iraq. Iran looks next"
This statement is idiotic. North Korea had nothing to fear until they developed nukes. Now they're afraid because... they developed nukes.
If they had no nukes, they would be anothee insignificant SE Asian country, with nothing to fear from the US.
Of course, N Korea is ALSO a brutal dictatorship with no respect for human rights.
And before all you US haters try to slam the US, ask yourself what american transgressions have to do with this. Drawing parallels is a cheap way to deflect the discussion away from the point, so don't bother.
"France's problem seems to be that they don't really understand that they're living in an international world"
I think it's worse than that. France still thinks it is relevant internationally, but they are only on the stage because the US props them up.
In 100 years, France will be the equivalent of Belgium, or Sweden, nice countries with too little clout, too few resources, and too many bigtime competitors to ever be an international power.
PS I love Belgium and Sweden, please don't take my comments as criticism.
"and america seems to think that its anti-Castro laws extend beyond its borders into Canada"
And if I broke the law while in Canada, wouldn't the Canadian government claim jurisdiction? Of course. If the crime were serious enough, they would extradite me and prosecute me.
But because it's the US, it's ok for Canadians to say shitty things about us. Sorry, but your government does the same thing, as do most governments around the world.
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That's the best you can do? Man, I really expected better.
You KNOW the US isn't fascist, but you can't bring youself to admit you fucked up. It's ok, we've seen people like you before.
Now I know to ignore you, because you're just another blowhard who like to make shit up.
A troll in other words. Good luck with your sad, cynical, pathetic life. I hope the fascits get you.
And you never proved me wrong, but rather, proved my point, that you are completely incapable of acknowledging that I may have a point. Again, sad but not unexpected.
Nice troll, now shut the fuck up.
I'm so tired of you anti-US types. How much is enough for you? Should we bankrupt our country?
It could be nothing. If it were up to me, it would be. I have a class full of kids using 15 year old textbooks. I don't hear you claiming to feel sick abou that. Why not?
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He calimed the US was "fascist" and we are not. That's propaganda. By using the very tool that he derides, he engages in hypocrisy.
Since you've made it clear to us all now how to read a post, why don't you try it. Seing as how, you know, you didn't.
The response about Bush was based on his PREVIOUS posts. Is it all that difficult to believe I've read his posts before?
Why be an asshole man? I wasn't. It's not that hard to be reasonable, but I'm not a geek, so my social skills are more developed. Maybe it is hard to be nice for people like you.
You don't think calling a democratically elected government "fascist" is in itself propaganda?
That's the problem in a nutshell. You blast one side fo rbehavior, then do exactly the same thing in response, and the worst part is you can't see it.
No matter your feelings about our current government, calling them fascist is just hyperbolic.
Of course, now we'll see the other part of the problem, the complete inability to acknowledge a lucid point, even though you disagree. Instead, I expect several ad-hominems, followed by equivocation, and attempts to justify the "fascist" comment.
Prove ME wrong.
"Ahh, a troll"
You don't have to introduce yourself, we know who you are.
"So you're refering to the intellience community, the same one that claimed there were WMD in Iraq? That community"
Yes, and since NK ADMITTED to having nukes, they were right. What does the fact that they were wrong someplace else have to do with anything? Oh right, you're trying to change the subject YET AGAIN because you were proven wrong.
"NK restarted their nuclear power plant to begin their nuclear weapons project. Yet you claim they ALREADY had them"
Never said that so stop lying. I said they were DEVELOPING them, which is not the same. If lying and putting words in people's mouths is the best you can do, I understand now why you're so inept when it comes to international relations. It's all true, even though you don't like it.
So, instead of shooting the messenger for fucking up your simplistic anti-US world view, how about you improve your reading comprehension and educate yourself more.
You never did refute my statements, by the way. Because you can't.
"Apology? No, I think a piss off is more in order for you"
I should have known better than to expect civilized behavior from you.
"The law enforcement in California shouldn't be aware of my speeding ticket in New Jersey. It's not thier right to know!"
Why not? You act as though your privacy is being violated, but you forget rather quickly that driving is a PRIVILEGE. I'm not sure what "rights" they are violating.
This is a classic example of why you don't deal with the devil. You may not like the terms when it comes time to pay up.
PS I hate the idea of national ID cards, and will leave the country before submitting to them. Keep that in mind before you make snap judgements about my comments.
I love this. The CIA is evil, but when it serves you you quote their factbook. Well, this time I'll play the "CIA is puppet of the government and will say anything to support the Bush regume" card.
So refute that. Then, the next time you try that stupid tactic, I'll simply repeat your comments.
I was very specific when I said REAL democracy. If you are unable to see that Egypt is not a REAL democracy, then what's the point of wasting further time with you.
I also notice you fail to own up to your idiotic mistake of claiming Afghanistan is an arab country.
You clearly are not educated enough about the topic to discuss it intelligently, otherwise you wouldn't have made such mistakes.
"Similarly one could ask why should the US fear NK havign nuclear weapons"
Because NK would sell them to the highest bidder. That would put nukes on the open market.
If you are a reasonable individual, I find it impossible to believe that prospect doesn't scare you.
As for the rest of your post, stop trying to tell me what I'm claiming. I claimed exactly waht I said, nothing more. Stop reading things into my post to further your argument.
"If Iraq was about stability in the middle-east, how about providing stability for asia"
Because it's stable (relatively) already. Far far more stable than the middle east. Not sure how you could make an argument otherwise.
Asia= NK, and what else?
Middle East=Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Egypt, etc.
You can't honestly be trying to claim Asia is less stable?
It doesn't, but it was never intended to.
It does damage their credibility, however. No one should read the findings without understanding the bias of the people who did the research.
You'll notice I never claimed anyone was biased, only that if a bias exists it should be well known.
The fact that this AC was modded insightful speaks to everything that is wrong with this forum.
"When the fascists are on the march, their propaganda is always in order"
I thought exactly that when I read your post. Amazing how hypocrisy pervades virtually every discussion here.
"Bush "bashing" isn't even necessary any more"
So why do you do it?
"Hah! Trying to out puiblic-drunkeness the Scots! Tsk"
Been. Mardi Gras is better.
But that being said, I've seen Scottish women. That made me understand where whiskey came from.
Yuk.
"somehow missed the sarcasm" :) If that was your best attempt at sarcasm, you have work to do.
And if you read the follow ups, I wasn't the only one who missed the "sarcasm". Your post reads exactly like so many other anti-bush anti-us crap we've all had to wade through. It's tiring. In the future, in order to avoid such problems, remember that sarcasm is about the TONE of the message, so web boards are the worst possible place for it.
Oh, and get better at it. Poor job, really.
Nice try. Sad really, that instead of saying "you know what, you're right, it was unclear" you instead attack me (again) and offer a pathetic equivocation.
No, intelligent readers won't infer "NATIONAL HOLIDAY" from "they." Frankly, I have no idea how you would know anyting at all about intelligent readers. Nice work with the ad-hominem too.
Just own up to it. You're wrong, and it's obvious. Take your medicine.
First, thanks for attempting to discuss this reasonably. Propaganda gets so tiring.
Honestly, no I don't think they have anything to fear. While they are a brutal dictatorship ( I really expected someone to try to refute that, by the way) what reason would we go there for?
There's simply no real upside, unlike in Iraq, where (agree or disagree) the possibility for something completely new (a real arab democracy) finally exists. Cynics will talk about oil, which we all must agree also plays a part. What equivalent exists in N Korea?
"Actually its not...your statement is idiotic. Check you timeline; In Feb of 2002, Bush calls NK part of an 'Axis of Evil.' It isn't until late 2002 / early 2003 that NK restarted their nuclear weapons program"
He did that because he KNEW they were developing nukes. Everyone with any kind of intelligence program did. Are you too stupid to understand that, or are you trying to make it appear as though we didn't know they had nukes?
In 2001, in fact, N Korea met with the Russians to discuss... long range ballistic missiles. Why would they NEED ballistic missiles? You know why, but you'll try to find a way around it.
If you are wrong (which you are, it's clear) just say so.
I'll gladly accept your apology now.
Congratulations, ass, you just did exactly what we all expected. Instead of addressing the issue, you clouded it with the same anti-US crap we've heard over and over.
I asked you politely not to do that, so why would you make it your entire post? Are you illiterate? Stupid? There has to be a logical reason.
"Then why present it as a counterexample?"
Because nowhere in your post does it say "national" holiday. Nor do you say "throughout the country" as you do in your follow ups.
If you meant "NATIONAL" holiday, you should have stated that originally, instead of trying to put words in people's mouths.
Say what you mean, or else you'll look like an ass when it's clear you fucked up (like now).
"It's simply because the movie industry has more power and influence"
No, the penalties are different because the crimes are different. No matter you feeling, a DVD is not the same as a file that is downloaded.
That being said, it is still moronic.
"Maybe they wouldn't be so scared if we didn't invade Afganistan. Then Iraq. Iran looks next"
This statement is idiotic. North Korea had nothing to fear until they developed nukes. Now they're afraid because... they developed nukes.
If they had no nukes, they would be anothee insignificant SE Asian country, with nothing to fear from the US.
Of course, N Korea is ALSO a brutal dictatorship with no respect for human rights.
And before all you US haters try to slam the US, ask yourself what american transgressions have to do with this. Drawing parallels is a cheap way to deflect the discussion away from the point, so don't bother.
You are correct, I misread part of your post. I read it to mean that the canadian did business while in the US.
My apologies
When did anyone say it was nationwide? Are you illiterate? I never said that, so why try to put words in my mouth.
But yes, it is nationwide, it's just centrally located in New Orleans.
"France's problem seems to be that they don't really understand that they're living in an international world"
I think it's worse than that. France still thinks it is relevant internationally, but they are only on the stage because the US props them up.
In 100 years, France will be the equivalent of Belgium, or Sweden, nice countries with too little clout, too few resources, and too many bigtime competitors to ever be an international power.
PS I love Belgium and Sweden, please don't take my comments as criticism.
"and america seems to think that its anti-Castro laws extend beyond its borders into Canada"
And if I broke the law while in Canada, wouldn't the Canadian government claim jurisdiction? Of course. If the crime were serious enough, they would extradite me and prosecute me.
But because it's the US, it's ok for Canadians to say shitty things about us. Sorry, but your government does the same thing, as do most governments around the world.