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Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
Iphtashu Fitz writes "This week the UK's Royal Navy presented images taken by the survey ship HMS Scott of the damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean that triggered the tsunami two months ago. The Scott has a high-resolution multi-beam sonar that let it generate highly detailed images of the sea floor, some 200m to 5000m below sea level. An image showing the scale of the damage, and the full presentation made by the Commanding Officer of HMS Scott (38MB PowerPoint) are available. The presentation contains a number of images that have more detail than those available on the websites."
Download the Powerpoint through Dijjer by clicking here.
The tsunami evidently took out the royal-navy's servers as well =\
Linking to a 40meg powerpoint file. I can smell the server burning from here.
I followed the links and it said "No Data" or just timed out.
Why in the world would some sadistic person put up a 37 MB power point presentation on slashdot. Damn you must hate the home office. Well it still downloading strong for me at about 87KBs
Timothy
I hope the British readers here didn't have any urgent business with the UK Hydrographic Office site!
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It would seem other nations do still care for the tragedy that happened to this world. I hope that they do because the attention span of some countries is really short and if you don't keep the Tsunami in the news it means decreased donations to help the victims. I hope the UK is doing a better job with this. All I know is that American media is so worked up about Iran, Iraq, and North Korea right now that the Tsunami was so last week...
I wonder what kind of effect this damage has had on things like Coral Reefs and deep ocean habitats surrounding black smokers?
... and in the DRM, bind them.
The bastards!
/. a military server...
Just goes to show how crappy some of the IT projects in this country are when you can
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
Fitz just linked a 38 megabyte file from the front page... does this mean that slashdot just declared war on the U.K.?
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Eat the Path.
lets all slashot the the British Royal Navy...
Damage to the floor of the indian ocean?
How about damage to this poor website after posting a 38MB powerpoint on slashdot!
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Two comments posted and this thing is slashed. Very Sad indeed. Thank Goodness we can load up the PPT and read it directly. How long do you think that is going to last? Oh, well... In true slash style, let fly with the comments and speculation a Damn all to the actual story.
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the UK Royal Navy website was completly destroyed by the Slashdot Tsunami
By reading this, you have given me brief control of your mind.
Are those images real or fake? Before anyone posts some proof I will remain skeptical. Slashdot is known for posting lies about tsunami.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
The first slashdotting of the ocean floor.
damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean
BZZZT! The surface of the earth cannot be damaged. Changed, yes, but not damaged. Unless you're suggesting that we need to get back to Pangaea somehow.
Look, there are natural tectonic processes that have been going on for as long as the earth existed. Volcanoes and earthquakes are CONSTANTLY reshaping the surface of the earth. THIS IS NOT DAMAGE. This is normal behavior for the ecosystem.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations, or that animals need to poop more because the coprophilic bacterial populations are abnormally low.
Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
I think people really really like saying "tsunami". Too bad most don't even pronounce it the right way.
The floor was not the effect of the tsunami, it was the effect of the earthquake, of which the tsunami was also an effect.
See, I like saying "tsunami" too!
tsunami. tsunami. tsunami.
For god's sake did anybody running this site really think that a direct link to a 38 meg ppt wouldn't bring down that server?
Can someone please reply with sites that are like slashdot but not run by monkeys?
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Thinking about it scientifically, along with the terrible loss of life in this event is incredible.
To me, this is a huge reminder that the planet in itself is capable of incalculable (in terms of lives affected) violence. And also that there will be in due time, something comparable. Or worse.
And to think about the squabbles we have, our territorial ambitions, our day to day lives, it really means nothing in the face of these kinds of forces.
Blacker than my baby girl's stare. Black like the veil that the muslimina wear. Black like the planet that they fear...
NEWS FLASH
British Royal Naval Communications brought to a halt today. Somehow a Naval Report on the latest Tsunami damage was linked to Popular IT Community Web Site SlashDot.org. The resulting Bandwith usage rates shot to am alarming rate, and crippled Data Communications to Royal Naval Forces, and forced the Royal Navy to respond, by issuing the following Statement. "Koh! Blimey! We've been knackered by the BOFHs'!"
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Their servers are going to be experiencing an earthquake...
Wow i'm getting a wopping 5.2KB/sec But hey it's not dropping :-)
Not only were the undersea landslides not the result of the tsunami -- they were the result of the causal earthquake -- but there's evidence to show that undersea landslides can be a major cause of tsunami. So these might help explain why the tsunami was/were so devastating.
A 40 MB file on the front page. Way to go douchebags, thanks for taking our server out. Here's the text of the article:
The Royal Navy's survey ship HMS Scott has collected unique images of the Indian Ocean seabed in the vicinity of the devastating tsunami earthquake epicentre.
The work, announced last month by the Ministry of Defence, is being carried out in order to further the understanding of earthquakes and assist prediction of such events in the future. It will be of considerable benefit to the Asia region as a whole and potentially give a global perspective.
HMS Scott's tasking is a non-military role that will provide bathymetric ( measuring the depth of water ) and geological assessment of the Asian earthquake epicentre and extended fracture zone. To assist with this, scientists from the Southampton Oceanography Centre and the British Geological Survey have embarked in the ship.
The depth of water in the vicinity of the epicentre varies between 200m to 5000m which is well within HMS Scott's capability using her high-resolution multi-beam sonar.
The epicentre lies within the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone, and the survey itself follows discussions with the Indonesian Government about HMS Scott's potential value in furthering the understanding of the earthquake and future risk prediction. The survey falls under the definition of Marine Scientific Research under United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
Survey imagesHMS Scott's survey will provide the 'base map' for future extensive research into the process of how earthquakes work; this is a crucial moment to conduct such research.
While HMS Scott is not directly involved in the humanitarian relief effort, her survey work in the vicinity of the epicentre is of significance to the scientific community in furthering the understanding of the tsunami.
HMS Scott deployed from the UK in November 2004 in order to undertake a programme of work in the North Atlantic, Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean and is scheduled to return to the UK in June 2005.
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This week the UK's Royal Navy presented images taken by the survey ship HMS Scott of the damage to the floor of the Indian Ocean that triggered the tsunami two months ago.
Wait, so the damage caused the tsunami? Or was it the Inidan Ocean? Or could it have been the images?
From TF(/.d)A:
The collision has forced up spectacular large thrust ridges up to 1500 m high...
New ridges nearly a mile high?!? Well, that certainly explains the little wave it made...
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
This is getting ridiculous. Why does Slashdot continue to post stories with direct links to massive files that are hosted on sites that will obviously be killed instantly, once users start clicking the link? Would it be too much to ask to begin mirroring the files, or provide a torrent?
These stories that reference some outside source are useless half of the time, because the source instantly becomes unavailable for a few hours until some new story comes up. It's getting really old.
Images of Ocean Floor Show Effects of Tsunami
The damage to the ocean floor was a result of the cause of the tsunami - not the effect thereof. Tsunamis do not damage the ocean floor until they get into very shallow water (i.e. the coastline).
I've made up my mind and now I've got to lie in it.
Has dispatched the fleet already.. tally ho!
The India tectonic plate, one of the most mobile in recent geologic time, slipped underneath the southeast asia one causing a major uplifting, which caused the tsunami. A relatively unusual geologic cause of a tsunami. Original reports where that some areas fell by 2000 ft, which would be quite remarkable and a bit of an exageration.
So long and thanks for all the fish . . . !!!
Dammit. I knew we should of signed the Kyoto Protocol.
Slashdotters' guns were aimed and requests were comin' fast,
The first link hit the website, they knew she couldn't last,
That mighty Naval server room is just a memory,
"Avenge the Bismarck" was the battle cry, sent over TCP.
We found the freakin' powerpoint that's makin' such a fuss!
We slashdotted the website 'cause the world depends on us!
It hit the front page runnin, when we spun our browsers 'round,
Yeah, we found the Royal Navy, and then we shut 'er down!
With apologies to Johnny Horton's Sink the Bismarck, 1960, and those who served aboard both the Hood and the Bismarck.)
Cool stuff.
Ned
A tsunami has been detected approaching the coasts of Greenland and Iceland from the East. Geologists suspect this tsunami is due to the plunging of the entire uk.gov webserver complex into the atlantic ocean and a very high velocity.
Did anyone happen to get the entire presentation and have a torrent up somewhere?
If anyone managed to grab the ppt, please either post a torrent or let me have it and I will.
You are not the customer.
These are geological changes, not Grandma's china getting broken.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Many Canadian charities havce stopped accepting tsunami relief donations. The Canadian Red Cross claims to have enough money to sustain their activities in the region for ten years.
Today the British Navy abandoned the gulf and turned its ships and nuclear submarines onto the Slashdot editing team. An initial force of Special Boat Service (SBS) forces was expected to take out the chain of command before a period of continual bombardment by artillery, missle and aircraft.
A spokesman from the British Navy said "right that's it, we've left the buggers alone since 1812 but that does it."
In related news Slashdot is being re-hosted from Camp Delta, along with any remaining members of the editing team.
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the tsunami did not damage the sea floor
a rapid change in sea floor topology caused the tsunami
the new sea floor state is hardly damage as it's now more stable, a change for the better, not the worse
morons!
I have some issues with your other statements. but I don't feel like a nitpick war. Instead, I'll just address what I perceive to be your basic argument. It's a common one: "Change and evolution are a part of nature. Nature is capable of fixing itself. Let's leave it to do that, and get on with business." It's true that nature will respond somehow to all the changes being forced on it -- extinct species eventually replaced by new speciation, destroyed environments eventually get replace by new environments, etc. But the key word here is "eventually". As the species that does more than any other species (or natural force) to change the environment, we can't afford to sit back and wait for Nature to strike a new balance. Aside from the sheer waste of watching thousands of species slide into extinction, we have to consider our own survival. Which requires keeping an eye on the total environment, in addition to mitigating the damage we do ourselves.
France Surrenders.
Not a system to detect tsunamis approaching, but a system that detects a stupid editor that doesn't edit out a link to a 38MB Powerpoint presentation on the front page of slashdot.org
The Royal Navy could have been saved. They haven't known this kind of pounding since they tangled with the Spanish Armada or the U-boats.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Save this link as a .ppt file, and use a hex editor to remove the HTML from the beginning and end:
Hey, perhaps after they've finished with the Indian Ocean, they could go and survey the Pacific floor where that SSN crashed a few months ago...
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I wouldn't say it's not damage, I would rather say that it's this type of damage is just a normal part of the Earth's processes. It's still damage, although I understand your point that that is probably too abstract for Joe Public to grasp by him/herself, and so the term is misleading to the public, who only think of damage in purely negative terms.
Next we'll be hearing that the predator/prey relationship needs to be banned because it damages animal populations
Similar but true: For a long time people thought that forests and other ecosystems such as grasslands and vynbos should be "protected" from fires, because it "obviously causes damage", or so people intuitively thought. This causes problems such as excessive amounts of flammable material building up on forest floors, making fires far worse when they do occur, and complicating necessary natural decomposition processes. More importantly, fires have been burning in these ecosystems for so long that the plants and animals have evolved to in some cases require them to occur, for example some types of seeds will only germinate once they have been burned or smoked. Nowadays the focus is usually on better management through controlled burnings so as to avoid the burnings causing problems for human activities.
As with all complex systems, the natural world is not always intuitive. Also, wanting to protect nature and *understanding* nature are two different things. The problems stem from incomplete knowledge (as with global climate change). The answer is always more knowledge.
-- they were the result of the causal earthquake --
did you mean causal or casual?
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Those who complain about affect & effect on
When you're right, you're right.
Also, a big monster with a head like an squid is walking from there to Tokio. Press there don't know if call it Godzilla, or if they must call Godzilla to save them.
There's a folk psychology measurement that shows how the closer something is to you, the more of note it seems.
If 1 person in your town was killed, it's news.
If 10 people in your state were killed, it's news.
If 100 people in the country were killed, it's news.
The Indian Ocean earthquakes and the tsunami, for most readers, happened on the far side of the world. Why should we care?
Here in Wisconsin, for example, a local story about a soldier's death in Iraq (Michelle Witmer) gets about the same degree of hits in the local news media as the keyword "tsunami."
That's one death being reported on about the same as ~300,000.
... not even the royal navy can handle ./ effect ;-)
...as if millions of slashdotters all posted the same joke about the Royal Navy's web server going down. I fear something terrible has happened.
How in hell can the concept of "damage" apply to natural phenomena?
The ocean floor is changed. The Earth has been changing for billions of years. Why should two months ago be taken as "perfect and now it's "damaged"? If perfect was one billion years ago, the planet is positively totalled by now.
The concept of "damaged" only applies to artifacts, things made for a purpose, which have changed in a manner that interferes with that purpose. The Earth is not an artifact, creationists and envirocultists notwithstanding.
No wonder the Enlightenment was abandoned.
Just because you don't agree with his point of view, that doesn't make it invalid.
More information and pretty pictures available from NOAA's Web site: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tsunami/indo20041226/hms_ scott.htm
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damage:
1.loss or harm resulting from injury to person, property, or reputation.
2.Harm or injury to property or a person, resulting in loss of value or the impairment of usefulness
I don't think the ocean floor lost value or usefulness.
If its so pathetic how much have you donated to the relief effort? Would you prefer that my tax money is given back to me? or that we send it to the victims?
I must say... $190/person for 5million people is rather substantial.
And it's alot better than a 3rd of that!
yes the Iraq war cost alot more... and yes it is money that could've been spent more wisely. BUT, this world isn't perfect and humans are greedy.
For $190 they can fly one of the victims to my house and I'll put them up...
After all, the entirety of human progress has proceeded completely naturally.
For those without a torrent client there is a mirror of the powerpoint file here.
LiveScience report that a new analysis of the December earthquake that caused disastrous tsunami waves to strike Asia and Africa. The report finds it was three times more powerful than earlier measurements suggested. This would make it the second largest earthquake ever instrumentally recorded...
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I too did not vote for Bush. In fact, you could say that I voted against Bush. This doesn't mean I believe everything he does is wrong. In regard to the tsunami relief effort, I feel we are doing a good job. Now this isn't one of those "America is the most generous countries in the world" posts. We had our soldiers flying in on relief missions and we stayed around providing drinkable water and food to people. We've also worked with other countries to help with the long term reconstruction.
Some people will say we are not spending enough no matter how much we spend. Sure Iraq was a war of choice -- it was also a war I opposed. Once we made a commitment there as a nation we had no choice to follow through with that commitment. Iraq is our obligation at this point.
What happened to the people effected by the tsunami is tragic. Of this there is no question. However, our obligation there is not the same as our obligation in Iraq. In many ways it is pointless to compare the two situations.
When peole bash Bush, just to bash Bush they loose a lot of credability. If you want to criticize his private social security accounts thing, hey there is a lot to support your critizism. Fell free to criticize how he handled the occupation of Iraq. I personally think he fucked that one up. However, if you think everything he touches turns to poo, you're just going to be considered a left leaning extremeist.
-- john
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The Joint Academic Network also pays per unit of data transferred over the transatlantic link. You've just bankrupted them!
On a slightly more serious note, I think the fact that Slashdot can bring down some fairly beefy servers demonstrates that there is a fundamental flaw in the architecture of the Internet. Slashdot is "popular", but not overwhelmingly so. I don't think I've ever seen a topic go above a few thousand posts and it's very likely many people posted more than once. Slashdot's total circulation is probably in the 5,000 - 7,500 bracket. In comparison, a typical British broadsheet might be read by 175,000 people. Give Slashdot 30 times the readership, and admins of even the most powerful sites would cower in terror.
Network overload is not confined to the realms of Slashdot, however. The tsunami early warning system is to be placed in a highly active region. There may not be many real tsunamis, but there will be a great deal of information flooding in. Unless those monitoring and administrating the system have a reliable and effective means of filtering out what is useful and what isn't, they'll either be causing a panic on a daily basis, or blithely ignore the next catastrophe as it unfolds.
Raw information is like raw chicken - hazardous in that state, but beneficial when correctly processed.
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If there was a before image of this area, perhaps an interesting animation could be produced.
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I think that was only for India, who typically don't accept external aid.
Sri Lanka, Thailand, and Indonesia are happily accepting our aid
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
I'm sure the someone has. It's just classified right now. A few years will go by and if we did it someone will get under the Freeom of Information Act.
What a great fucking system, stops downloading when it's 98% done.
What are that chances this thing resumes? I'm guessing not good.
Trash bin for this thing
Hey, I'm just your average shit and piss factory.
mod PARENT up...and that dijjer shit down (doesn't work). Parent works. I'm downloading at 120 KiB/s 84% done and 40 seconds left. hoooyah.
Its slashdotted alright but look what its running and you won't be surprised why
g ov .uk
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http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=ukho.
IIS on NT4 - surely someone should have checked it out before putting the link on
It could be some people took the great grandparent post too seriously.
We need a new slashdot moderation code, (+1, Funny Slashdot Effect Joke), to satisfy all the newbies with mod points who crack up at the sight of "Looks like the tsunami took out the server! W00t!". That way, we could crank it down in our preferences. (I had originally thought that the new mod code should be "-1, Slashdot effect joke", but then the people currently modding this crap up wouldn't use it.
/.-effect joke Redundant.
Posting A/C because I just modded a
Could this be related to the report a few weeks after the Tsunami that a Navy sub ran into something underwater in the Indian Ocean?? http://rantburg.com/popArticle.asp?ID=54863
~512kps on that .ppt file, in the midst of a /.'ing, not bad at all!
Roughly the same number of people have died in Iraq (+-50%) -- Thing about Iraq is that it is a man-made tragedy (and reasonably predictable), it has occured much more slowly and we don't have thousands of rich people who like to vacation there.
Not that I want any less help to go to the Indian Ocean, but if the US had put as much work into the first few weeks of recovering Iraq as they did into the first few weeks of the Tsunami relief, chances are that they'd be doing a lot less bomb-dodging right now.
(Not quite fully off-topic. More like tangental).
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Here's a simple mathematical model to help you understand the effects better.
Such emotion. Wear the mod as a badge of honor against group think!
/. stalker? ::snicker::
I tried to have a discussion with you previously (diffent article altogether) and you attempted to turn things around playing silly games and twisted context. (Nicely done too by the way, props!)
Personally I do not think your a troll. A little too pompous and arrogant for my taste but I do find you entertaining to watch regardless, specifically your debating style. Creepy - does this constitute a
A quick note: I obviously did not mod you or otherwise the moderations would have been deleted responding to your post, so please do not attempt to go down that road with me. Think of this as an abrasive compliment; without foul language.
To try to be somewhat on topic with your previous post: No, I don't think outdated textbooks are a good idea, especially if the material dates quickly. Shame that some domestic needs take backseat to foreign policy needs that often seem ungrateful about the actions anyway. But what do I know, I think water is wet...::shrugs::
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