Ahem... The article mentioned Apache2. OSX does not have Apache2 bundled with it. AFAIK Apache 1.3.29 is bundled with the 10.3 install last I checked. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Connect the dots and draw your own conclusions as to why the author of the article would even mention software that has nothing to do with the OS in question.
So by that one can say this -> "I wrote a letter of complaint to McDonald's because I choked on the rotten pickle in my Whopper w/cheese."
Personally, I am very happy they are going to at least finish the story. After watching 88 episodes I would really like to know how it all ends.:)
Sorry... But you still won't know how it all ends. Rockne and David have said before that they'll end this miniseries with another cliff hanger. They're not ready to kill it off yet. I don't think most of the fans are ready for that to happen either.
Should be a fun one...
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IMO the other main player in the make-a-fast-buck-off-the-stupid industry has to be Apple computers. Controversial, but let me explain. Apple computers are created for, and solely used by people who know, and want to know nothing about computers, the "proudly ignorants". This is a dangerous mindset to encourage. Their computers are set up to do everything for you, to treat the user with a kind of benevolent contempt. Some recent pricing of upgrades illustrates the kind of attitude Apple has to its customers. While relatively unpopular, Apple computers can safely get away with this. But like "security through obscurity" it is not a policy that can scale safely.
AOL and Apple are a twin prong attack on our Internet experience. Perhaps it is time to introduce a licensing scheme beginning with the users of these two products. We license Car drivers, because a bad car driver is a danger to others as well as himself. Increasingly it is becoming clear that inexperienced users must fall in the same category.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I see the grains of truth you put forth. As Apple making for an easier/possibly better user experience by dumbing things down (Though OSX is as simple or complex as one needs it to be). But on the other hand I happen to use MacOS both pre X and OSX itself. I'm also a systems engineer who specializes in administering Linux boxen. Exim/LDAP, various flavours of Apache, Bind, CVS etc yatta yatta. I also write a lot of Perl and PHP and dabble in C. You make it sound as if all Apple products are like tonka toys compared to other systems and the comment about people who know nothing tend to buy Apple is simply preposterous. I tend to beleive that this is why Win is so popular in the first place because of those who simply don't or can't be bothered to know anything.
I do use MS products all of the time as part of my profession but I've never chosen them for personal use and I don't say this because it's something to be proud of or anything. I just choose not to as I've always preferred the alternatives. They just make more sense to me and I personally find them more elegant. Though when I look back at my first comp (a commodore PET) I'd as sooner eat my own words but anyway... As a matter of personal experience I usually find users of other OS's than an MS OS to be more knowledgeable about the inner workings and limitations of their system of choice. As well it's pretty much agreed upon here that it's the users themselves that are helping spread virii and worms. By far and large it's the win users who are doing it so I don't see the relevancy of your attack on Mac users or even AOL'ers for that matter. It's not the internet connectivity that's the cause of the spread. Again it's the users.
A person knows that they want to buy a computer. They go to the store and buy one. Naturally it has Windows pre-installed. A no brainer. But to actually go out and buy a system that is NOT the norm requires a bit more thinking especially if that system costs more than the norm which is usually the case.
What I'm trying to say here is that the OS doesn't make people lazy, ignorant or stupid regarding computing. They are already predisposed for whatever reasons. No matter what system you happen to use, all basic concepts are the same across the line. Choice of platform is irrelevant and a waste of time to focus on such small details and minutae.
A Win machine can be just as secure as a 'nix or Mac machine (which is a bit of a misnomer really because pretty much all worms/virri are wriiten for Win anyway) as it's simply a user's habits that the malicious count on. Simple as that. Nothing more nothing less. It's just common sense which to me doesn't seem to be so common anymore.
Although I truly beleive that the OS of choice has nothing to do with anything here, I will say this to stay within context of your comments; For now just keep in mind who the people actually are that are making it so easy to sully your 'net experience before pointing any fingers.
Why does this thing need to be a robot? In order to justify the price? Just put these same sensors around your home and be done with it. It's akin to putting wheels on a Mac and charging $15K more!
silly...
Just in case you haven't heard of it, the reason I got hooked on Firefly were for the same reason's I had gotten hooked on Farscape. The acting skills, the script writing and the comedic episodes and not to mention that both are aesthetically pleasing to the mind and eye.
http://www.watchfarscape.com
http://www.scifi.com/farscape/
I would highly recommend both.
Fox had never zipped up the deal for a complete season of Firefly so right from the start it was a nail biter for Joss. Fox didn't even allow the premiere (Serenity) to be the premiere because they thought it lacked a certain pace. If you take notice, Fox generally takes the approach of more action right at the get go = better ratings over elegantly gripping television. So yes, it was that Whedon's vision didn't quite fit Fox's business model or formula rather. All of this is actually touched on in the box set.
"It will free computer designers to think about the systems they create in new ways, making it possible to conceive of machines that are not located in a single physical place, according to scientists and industry executives."
Ok is it just me or has anyone else thought of the possibilities behind this statement? It could mean a few things but what rings for me is the end of the "personal" computer and the beginning of the "personal computing" service. Where The HP's and Dell's etc of the world keep all the systems while you purchase their own branded access to the system. Essentially you don't have a computer any longer but only client access. The end result is still much the same for all intents and puposes but no longer a physical system sitting on your desk. Like Citrix, VNC or rdesktop on crack.
That idea could be way out to lunch but all the same I can't say I really care for it. Hmm...
I imagine amongst all the replies some kind heart has probably pointed this out to you already but...
Your music library wasn't touched. iTunes will import all of your files to another location and use that for it's library by default. Your original files are still original. Apple already thought of this kind of predicament for you. Just toast the new library location then go to your old one select all files and drag them to the iTunes app and voila, one huge gynormous mess. =)
Without taking away from the seriousness of the situation or making light of it I'm going to offer a different spin if you will. Devil's advocate...
I'm very accustomed to the whole technical minded vs the suits dilemma. But... I can believe that there is a sort of symbiosis that takes place between the two types of people.
Without the managers coming out with thier guns a slinging making hasty decisions, people like us wouldn't normally achieve some of the feats that we do. Let alone try. I'm not saying that this is what I firmly believe but is it possible that the struggle itself between the two kinds of people is what propells an idea into reality? Possibly even ideas that would never even be given consideration? Surly there might be danger but is it acceptable?
Though what I had just said doesn't necessarily apply to all the nuances surrounding the situation. But does anyone agree or disagree?
I wonder what it would be like without any of the friction I just described. Just a thought.
Spielberg showed us an exemple of what you are talking about in the movie Minority Report. The scene with the cereal box comes to mind mostly as well as the newspaper on the subway. With wireless devices becoming smaller and their range much greater I can see adverts like the one on your coke can or even simply a bill board changing at the advertisers whim. It'd save on labour costs and time no doubt. Imagine heading down to 7-11 to pick up your paper and never having to ever get another again. Now that would be cool. Of course a laptop could do the same but... Not as cool. =)
This is my own opinion drawn from my own experiences. Flames not necessary. =)
Has anyone ever considered where you might cut costs in one place you might end up losing those gains in another? Like robbing Peter to pay Paul sort of thing.
Yes I've heard It makes for a rapid devel environment from many a developer/programmer as it facilitates ease of coordination efforts etc. The last company I worked for decided to become a fully accreditted registrar a few years back just in time for the release of the.ca registry to CIRA... Devel used Java.
The decision was based on the idea that the sooner we were up and running the better jump we'd have on the competition. At the time we were the quickest company to ever set up a "registry shop" from the get go. It took us just over 5 months. And it worked. We had an edge over others concerning.ca's. Great...
But it was an administrators NIGHTMARE to keep the system up and running afterwards. I was always against java for jobs as big as that and well... That experience proved it once and for all for me. It wasn't like the developers were morons either. They were some of the brightest minds I've ever had the pleasure to work along side with.
So with rapid development aside, does that nullify the expense of deployment and maintaining the end system? I sincerely believe that money could be saved in the long run if (in this case) Java was left well enough alone. Maybe there are some true success stories regarding systems based on Java but I haven't ever witnessed the creation of one myself. But in retrospect, we did get the "jump" though.
I'm not a developer, just a lowly systems engineer so I can't throw forth many of the virtues of using Java(I use perl/php/shell scripts etc). I won't argue that point as I beleive the good things people say about it(Java).
But I can truly attest to dealing with it afterwards! All that that experience showed me was that if you need something up and going in a pinch, Java can do that for you. But Quick'n Dirty isn't always the best choice. We could have just as easily used perl instead. Basically I beleive this is something to really consider before making any final decisions.
Nope. That's the ceiling. The fans would be blowing outward to help along heat convection. The pans (bottom) of each cab would also either have a fan blowing in or just simply a vent that would suck cooler outside air into the cab, through the perforated shelves past each machine and out the blow hole at the top.
The reason the air is taken from the bottom is because cooler air is down there. Heat rises etc etc.
"The DNS system is intended to reduce confusion, and it is reasonable that the DNS system SHOULD respond intelligently to help confused users."
Hmm yes and no. It is there to reduce forgetfulness and not confusion.
It's easier to remember http://slashdot.org rather than http://66.35.250.150. A name server is really a data base. It's what you do with the data after it's been pulled.
I'm quite positive that any intellegent response should be handled on the client side after gathering what it can from the server side. IE did this on it's own by defualt. Verisign however is literally not giving anyone a choice in the matter. That's where the morallity comes in.
I'm picking up what you're throwing down but I just can't sympathize.
"(However, I do agree that Verisign is going out of bounds, but Microsoft has been doing worse things for much longer.)"
And maybe M$ has been doing it for longer, but at least we have a choice by not using any M$ products whenever possible. =)
That's exactly what I was beginning to think but it all depends.
IE Verisign could "round robin" the sitefind service for a fee to other squatters. It could actually turn out to be cheaper than waiting for expiry dates or grabbing up mispelled domains by the other players. Essentially cutting the overall overhead for other squatter co's to make it more attractive and join in the domain orgy.
But that won't make too much sense. Why the hell would verisign do that? They make money off of the registrations in the first place.
So here's what they do. One could charge varying rates on typo'd domains that "resemble" more popular "real" domains. Less for more obscure ones. Not much unlike banner ad revenue on popular sites VS less popular sites. Basically the same maketing scheme but inverted. The overhead of research and actually going through the motions of registering would be cut out of the picture so the co's will still save money if verisign did something as morally asinine as this.
Anyway, it could be done. The semantics of how you'd arrive at the costs is something I'll let others wrap their heads around.
Unless there's a gaping hole that I've missed, I find this more than a little disturbing don't you?
Just as a foot note, I've noticed a lot of banter discussing the true and proper meaning of terms used amongst the various posts. Like "sharing"and "stealing" etc. Others have tried to straighten out the language being used, others have taken notice and even still others have noticed but haven't taken any consideration and therefore have continued down an arguement trail that further befuddles the discussion and makes one wonder what the original post was about. I think this is what those who support the Bill are counting on. If "sharing" isn't a proper term to use should we then use "propogation" in it's place? If "stealing" is not a proper term then should we not use the term "deprivation"? If it's unclear what the "scarce resource" is should we then use "potential consumer"?
If so could we then say?
By "propogating" copyright material one is "depriving" the "RIAA or whoever etc" of it's "scarce" "potential consumer" base.
This clearly doesn't seem like stealing to me but rather disrupting an entity's revenue model.
Is this what it all boils down to?
Trying hard to stay on track. =)
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You're right. Actually after a bit of digging it appears that both 1.3 and 2 are bundled in 10.3.
Now the question is which one is default when you enable web services? My guess would be 1.3.
Ahem... The article mentioned Apache2. OSX does not have Apache2 bundled with it. AFAIK Apache 1.3.29 is bundled with the 10.3 install last I checked. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Connect the dots and draw your own conclusions as to why the author of the article would even mention software that has nothing to do with the OS in question.
So by that one can say this -> "I wrote a letter of complaint to McDonald's because I choked on the rotten pickle in my Whopper w/cheese."
'nuff said...
Personally, I am very happy they are going to at least finish the story. After watching 88 episodes I would really like to know how it all ends. :)
Sorry... But you still won't know how it all ends. Rockne and David have said before that they'll end this miniseries with another cliff hanger. They're not ready to kill it off yet. I don't think most of the fans are ready for that to happen either.
Should be a fun one...
IMO the other main player in the make-a-fast-buck-off-the-stupid industry has to be Apple computers. Controversial, but let me explain. Apple computers are created for, and solely used by people who know, and want to know nothing about computers, the "proudly ignorants". This is a dangerous mindset to encourage. Their computers are set up to do everything for you, to treat the user with a kind of benevolent contempt. Some recent pricing of upgrades illustrates the kind of attitude Apple has to its customers. While relatively unpopular, Apple computers can safely get away with this. But like "security through obscurity" it is not a policy that can scale safely.
AOL and Apple are a twin prong attack on our Internet experience. Perhaps it is time to introduce a licensing scheme beginning with the users of these two products. We license Car drivers, because a bad car driver is a danger to others as well as himself. Increasingly it is becoming clear that inexperienced users must fall in the same category.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I see the grains of truth you put forth. As Apple making for an easier/possibly better user experience by dumbing things down (Though OSX is as simple or complex as one needs it to be).
But on the other hand I happen to use MacOS both pre X and OSX itself. I'm also a systems engineer who specializes in administering Linux boxen. Exim/LDAP, various flavours of Apache, Bind, CVS etc yatta yatta. I also write a lot of Perl and PHP and dabble in C. You make it sound as if all Apple products are like tonka toys compared to other systems and the comment about people who know nothing tend to buy Apple is simply preposterous. I tend to beleive that this is why Win is so popular in the first place because of those who simply don't or can't be bothered to know anything.
I do use MS products all of the time as part of my profession but I've never chosen them for personal use and I don't say this because it's something to be proud of or anything. I just choose not to as I've always preferred the alternatives. They just make more sense to me and I personally find them more elegant. Though when I look back at my first comp (a commodore PET) I'd as sooner eat my own words but anyway... As a matter of personal experience I usually find users of other OS's than an MS OS to be more knowledgeable about the inner workings and limitations of their system of choice. As well it's pretty much agreed upon here that it's the users themselves that are helping spread virii and worms. By far and large it's the win users who are doing it so I don't see the relevancy of your attack on Mac users or even AOL'ers for that matter. It's not the internet connectivity that's the cause of the spread. Again it's the users. A person knows that they want to buy a computer. They go to the store and buy one. Naturally it has Windows pre-installed. A no brainer. But to actually go out and buy a system that is NOT the norm requires a bit more thinking especially if that system costs more than the norm which is usually the case.
What I'm trying to say here is that the OS doesn't make people lazy, ignorant or stupid regarding computing. They are already predisposed for whatever reasons. No matter what system you happen to use, all basic concepts are the same across the line. Choice of platform is irrelevant and a waste of time to focus on such small details and minutae. A Win machine can be just as secure as a 'nix or Mac machine (which is a bit of a misnomer really because pretty much all worms/virri are wriiten for Win anyway) as it's simply a user's habits that the malicious count on. Simple as that. Nothing more nothing less. It's just common sense which to me doesn't seem to be so common anymore. Although I truly beleive that the OS of choice has nothing to do with anything here, I will say this to stay within context of your comments; For now just keep in mind who the people actually are that are making it so easy to sully your 'net experience before pointing any fingers.
Why does this thing need to be a robot? In order to justify the price? Just put these same sensors around your home and be done with it. It's akin to putting wheels on a Mac and charging $15K more! silly...
Just in case you haven't heard of it, the reason I got hooked on Firefly were for the same reason's I had gotten hooked on Farscape. The acting skills, the script writing and the comedic episodes and not to mention that both are aesthetically pleasing to the mind and eye. http://www.watchfarscape.com http://www.scifi.com/farscape/ I would highly recommend both.
Fox had never zipped up the deal for a complete season of Firefly so right from the start it was a nail biter for Joss. Fox didn't even allow the premiere (Serenity) to be the premiere because they thought it lacked a certain pace. If you take notice, Fox generally takes the approach of more action right at the get go = better ratings over elegantly gripping television. So yes, it was that Whedon's vision didn't quite fit Fox's business model or formula rather. All of this is actually touched on in the box set.
"It will free computer designers to think about the systems they create in new ways, making it possible to conceive of machines that are not located in a single physical place, according to scientists and industry executives."
Ok is it just me or has anyone else thought of the possibilities behind this statement? It could mean a few things but what rings for me is the end of the "personal" computer and the beginning of the "personal computing" service. Where The HP's and Dell's etc of the world keep all the systems while you purchase their own branded access to the system. Essentially you don't have a computer any longer but only client access. The end result is still much the same for all intents and puposes but no longer a physical system sitting on your desk. Like Citrix, VNC or rdesktop on crack.
That idea could be way out to lunch but all the same I can't say I really care for it. Hmm...
Yes and if you: $ man pump too many times you could go blind.
I imagine amongst all the replies some kind heart has probably pointed this out to you already but... Your music library wasn't touched. iTunes will import all of your files to another location and use that for it's library by default. Your original files are still original. Apple already thought of this kind of predicament for you. Just toast the new library location then go to your old one select all files and drag them to the iTunes app and voila, one huge gynormous mess. =)
Without taking away from the seriousness of the situation or making light of it I'm going to offer a different spin if you will. Devil's advocate...
I'm very accustomed to the whole technical minded vs the suits dilemma. But... I can believe that there is a sort of symbiosis that takes place between the two types of people.
Without the managers coming out with thier guns a slinging making hasty decisions, people like us wouldn't normally achieve some of the feats that we do. Let alone try. I'm not saying that this is what I firmly believe but is it possible that the struggle itself between the two kinds of people is what propells an idea into reality? Possibly even ideas that would never even be given consideration? Surly there might be danger but is it acceptable?
Though what I had just said doesn't necessarily apply to all the nuances surrounding the situation. But does anyone agree or disagree?
I wonder what it would be like without any of the friction I just described. Just a thought.
Spielberg showed us an exemple of what you are talking about in the movie Minority Report. The scene with the cereal box comes to mind mostly as well as the newspaper on the subway. With wireless devices becoming smaller and their range much greater I can see adverts like the one on your coke can or even simply a bill board changing at the advertisers whim. It'd save on labour costs and time no doubt. Imagine heading down to 7-11 to pick up your paper and never having to ever get another again. Now that would be cool. Of course a laptop could do the same but... Not as cool. =)
This is my own opinion drawn from my own experiences. Flames not necessary. =)
.ca registry to CIRA... Devel used Java.
.ca's. Great...
Has anyone ever considered where you might cut costs in one place you might end up losing those gains in another? Like robbing Peter to pay Paul sort of thing.
Yes I've heard It makes for a rapid devel environment from many a developer/programmer as it facilitates ease of coordination efforts etc. The last company I worked for decided to become a fully accreditted registrar a few years back just in time for the release of the
The decision was based on the idea that the sooner we were up and running the better jump we'd have on the competition. At the time we were the quickest company to ever set up a "registry shop" from the get go. It took us just over 5 months. And it worked. We had an edge over others concerning
But it was an administrators NIGHTMARE to keep the system up and running afterwards. I was always against java for jobs as big as that and well... That experience proved it once and for all for me. It wasn't like the developers were morons either. They were some of the brightest minds I've ever had the pleasure to work along side with.
So with rapid development aside, does that nullify the expense of deployment and maintaining the end system? I sincerely believe that money could be saved in the long run if (in this case) Java was left well enough alone. Maybe there are some true success stories regarding systems based on Java but I haven't ever witnessed the creation of one myself. But in retrospect, we did get the "jump" though.
I'm not a developer, just a lowly systems engineer so I can't throw forth many of the virtues of using Java(I use perl/php/shell scripts etc). I won't argue that point as I beleive the good things people say about it(Java).
But I can truly attest to dealing with it afterwards! All that that experience showed me was that if you need something up and going in a pinch, Java can do that for you. But Quick'n Dirty isn't always the best choice. We could have just as easily used perl instead. Basically I beleive this is something to really consider before making any final decisions.
Just my 2 cents...
Nope. That's the ceiling. The fans would be blowing outward to help along heat convection. The pans (bottom) of each cab would also either have a fan blowing in or just simply a vent that would suck cooler outside air into the cab, through the perforated shelves past each machine and out the blow hole at the top. The reason the air is taken from the bottom is because cooler air is down there. Heat rises etc etc.
"The DNS system is intended to reduce confusion, and it is reasonable that the DNS system SHOULD respond intelligently to help confused users."
Hmm yes and no. It is there to reduce forgetfulness and not confusion.
It's easier to remember http://slashdot.org rather than http://66.35.250.150. A name server is really a data base. It's what you do with the data after it's been pulled.
I'm quite positive that any intellegent response should be handled on the client side after gathering what it can from the server side. IE did this on it's own by defualt. Verisign however is literally not giving anyone a choice in the matter. That's where the morallity comes in.
I'm picking up what you're throwing down but I just can't sympathize.
"(However, I do agree that Verisign is going out of bounds, but Microsoft has been doing worse things for much longer.)"
And maybe M$ has been doing it for longer, but at least we have a choice by not using any M$ products whenever possible. =)
That's exactly what I was beginning to think but it all depends.
IE Verisign could "round robin" the sitefind service for a fee to other squatters. It could actually turn out to be cheaper than waiting for expiry dates or grabbing up mispelled domains by the other players. Essentially cutting the overall overhead for other squatter co's to make it more attractive and join in the domain orgy.
But that won't make too much sense. Why the hell would verisign do that? They make money off of the registrations in the first place.
So here's what they do. One could charge varying rates on typo'd domains that "resemble" more popular "real" domains. Less for more obscure ones. Not much unlike banner ad revenue on popular sites VS less popular sites. Basically the same maketing scheme but inverted. The overhead of research and actually going through the motions of registering would be cut out of the picture so the co's will still save money if verisign did something as morally asinine as this.
Anyway, it could be done. The semantics of how you'd arrive at the costs is something I'll let others wrap their heads around.
Unless there's a gaping hole that I've missed, I find this more than a little disturbing don't you?
Just as a foot note, I've noticed a lot of banter discussing the true and proper meaning of terms used amongst the various posts. Like "sharing"and "stealing" etc. Others have tried to straighten out the language being used, others have taken notice and even still others have noticed but haven't taken any consideration and therefore have continued down an arguement trail that further befuddles the discussion and makes one wonder what the original post was about. I think this is what those who support the Bill are counting on. If "sharing" isn't a proper term to use should we then use "propogation" in it's place? If "stealing" is not a proper term then should we not use the term "deprivation"? If it's unclear what the "scarce resource" is should we then use "potential consumer"? If so could we then say? By "propogating" copyright material one is "depriving" the "RIAA or whoever etc" of it's "scarce" "potential consumer" base. This clearly doesn't seem like stealing to me but rather disrupting an entity's revenue model. Is this what it all boils down to? Trying hard to stay on track. =)