It may not be the best OS there is, but there isn't an interface that comes close to the ease that Windows provides.
What are you smoking? Repeat after me: NeXTSTEP. The Windows 95 GUI is a very poor attempt to imitate the NeXTSTEP UI. The original was far better. And you can install WindowMaker to prove it.
If you've spent any time here, you know damn well that the real definition of 'hacker' has nothing to do with criminal activity. I won't dignify your attitude with more response than that.
I think the difference here is that the projects mentioned in this article are 'combat' flight sims while FG is a civilian aircraft flight sim (if I remember correctly.
You do remember correctly. However, I think they should take FlightGear as a base for the physical modelling if nothing else. It's so incredibly realistic it just hurts!
My point was that every technology wears out sooner or later and will be replaced. DVD recorders or some other digital recording technology will take over the spot that VHS has right now. MP3 is replacing analog audio cassettes right now. Intel is working on a new architecture that will replace x86. It will not be backward compatible with x86.
I'm biased;-) but I think you should give GNUstep/Linux a shot. With growing interest in MOSX, our development efforts are snowballing. We have alpha releases of IB and PB clones, and applications and frameworks are being written and ported more and more frequently. I hope that there can be great cross pollenation of Free Software between the MOSX developer community and the GNUstep community.
although not '100% pure java' , I was wondering
if Apple has any plans of providing Java APIs
to programmers.
Yep--already there. The Cocoa API (AppKit and Foundation) have Java bindings. In fact, Apple has offended the living daylights out of the Objective C community by pushing Java over Objective C.
It doesn't matter if you were able to do 10 times more work in the same time if you have to go and redo all that work for the Windows version.
You won't. OPENSTEP is available for Windows. And if you want a Free solution, GNUstep is portable. All that needs to be done is a Win32 backend for the AppKit. Foundation works already.
I actually hope that some of these "under the hood" ideas in OS X will find their way into a Linux distribution in the near future.
Go take a look at how GNUstep is progressing. We've made *tremendous* progress in the last year, and MOSX has heightened our visibility and brought more developers our way. We have alphas of ProjectCenter.app (our PB.app clone) and Gorm.app (our IB.app clone). We have those robust directory structures (/System,/Local, and/Network). We have the cool Application bundles implemented (with localization and cross-platform support). We have a fully structured makefile system. Applications and Objective C frameworks from NeXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, and MOSX are being ported. New applications are being written from scratch. In short, GNUstep is really beginning to snowball. Check it out!
Agreed. This is a result of the use of Display PDF (Quartz). Nice for publishing types...annoying for others. This is a result of the NeXT heritage (Display PostScript).
I think the whole Aqua thing is too 'bubbly and sweet' - of course that's just aesthetic, so I won't hold that against them.
Right again. I hate Aqua almost as much as I hate the older Mac OS GUI. The NeXTSTEP UI was far superior. Apple realized that much of their market was hooked on "cutesy" type stuff though. In addition, many immature Mac OS users screamed like infants every time Apple tried to implement more NeXT-like elements.
It defaults to running inetd, nfsiod, portmap, and a couple of other things. To exacerbate this problem there is no GUI method of turning off these services, and the only command line method is 'kill'.
Hopefully, all of this will be remedied in the final release. They probably haven't gotten around to finishing this stuff yet.
They have added all kinds of odd directories like/Applications,/System and/Users.
This is more NeXT-derived stuff. They were named differently under NeXTSTEP. After working with GNUstep for a couple of years, I have really grown fond of this sort of thing. It's the same organized principle of/usr,/bin,/home, etc. but with more readable names.
Application configuration files and resources all get bundled into one place for each App.
NeXTSTEP strikes again. This confused me slightly at first but playing around with GNUstep has made me fall in love with this concept. This is so ordered and elegant it just blows my mind! I loathe having 15,000 dotfiles in my home directory. Additionally, it allows for very structured organization of resources (like localization or platform-dependent binaries). Think of it as being very similar in concept to the System V init. It's powerful use of the directory concept for organization.
I could go on, but I think I made my point. I use Unix and Macs and like them both for different reasonse. OS X is not Mac enough nor Unix enough for me to like it at all.
I think you have fallen into the same trap that many others have: you think that MOSX is Mac OS. It isn't. MOSX is NeXTSTEP, pure and simple. Apple has tried to pull a snow job with this "next generation of Mac OS" bit. That's just marketing, though (similar to the way SunOS was retroactively renamed Solaris 1.x).
I just don't think Apple get's it . . . hopefully they'll get a clue.
That depends on what you mean. If you mean continuing the Mac OS legacy or being a UNIX vendor, you're correct. If you're talking about finally producing a superior product, then I think you're wrong. I still hate Aqua, though.
You can still find them. Does that mean that VHS has some kind of valid competition?
Yes--DVD. This is the point. Does VHS have a serious competitor in the analog tape based videorecording market? No. Do they have competition in the digital video market? Of course. VHS probably won't even be here in 5 years and I'm fairly sure that Intel's opinion on permanent presence of x86 can be expressed in jocular employment of four letter words.
First, I have to say that everything you've said here is true. However, it's clear that something must be done. x86 was crap 20 years ago, and comparing it to even aged architectures like early Alphas reveals it's inadequacy.
Hopefully, Intel's next arch will be a wonder of sparkling brilliance. I don't have much faith in them, however, since they are the Microsoft of the hardware world. In addition to design concerns, they are likely to get nasty about licensing. I have worries that Intel views the openness of x86 as a mistake. With AMD breathing down their neck, Intel is probably paranoid. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, though.
As for Apple, I think they're reasoning goes something like this: (1) Artists and musicians love the ease-of-use [I dislike the design of the GUI, but that's personal taste] of our GUI and the fitness-of-purpose of our hardware. They also like the fact that our tight control of both hardware and software makes solving problems easier. (2) They don't like that fact that our OS is more unstable than water and more outdated than Disco. (3) They're switching to Wintel reluctantly because Windows is somewhat better than the Mac OS and because the hardware is much cheaper. Furthermore, even major media creation software developers are abandoning us. (4) If we offer a superior OS (NeXTSTEP revamped, which itself was very popular with serious computer musicians) we can win back our market with even greater vigor than ever before, plus draw in UNIX people.
Ultimately, they believe that their hardware is a powerful enough draw to Photoshop types that it can win back their eroding market. Whether they're right or not, only time will tell.
Could it be that finnaly a company will show that UNIX(even if only in the basic sense with OS X), or even linux, CAN POSSIBLY make an exellent desktop enviroment.
This already happened 11 years ago. Remember, Mac OS X is basically just a repackaged NeXTSTEP. Unfortunately, it isn't equal to NeXTSTEP.
I know you're a troll,
You're not even droll,
But I'll feed you anyway:
The article was not "censored". Censorship involves removing content. Additionally, Hemos put the asterisk in of his own accord. So, I can proudly say, "Crawl back into your cave, troll."
I like the way you think, kid; you'll definitely go far. In fact, I believe you're the man to lead this country to greatness! You are the chosen one! blazer1024 for President! Huzzah!
My only fear about MOSX is Carbon. I'd like to see Apple's considerable developer base switch to Cocoa (making Objective C, OpenStep, and thus GNUstep more popular). I fear that Carbon may give too many developers reason to simply "coast".
Apple's changes to the OpenStep API are being actively tracked. Some of it hasn't been implemented yet because Apple hasn't released enough information (NSSound, for example). There's discussion on whether WebObjects will ever be compatible because of patent issues. There's hope, but who knows?
Because breaking encryption of any kind for any purpose is a violation of the DMCA. So long as they have some sort of encryption method (even ROT13 would be enough) then it's illegal to share it becase sharing requires breaking of encryption. If Quake had some method of only letting one human play it, then letting someone else play, which would require breaking the encryption method, would be a crime.
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Hey, I'd love to have one of those but I'm going to have to wait till they come down in price a little bit.
This is a travesty! I demand a write-in for Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf!
The Chef is number 9?!? What's wrong with you? This list is "pretty useless".
What are you smoking? Repeat after me: NeXTSTEP. The Windows 95 GUI is a very poor attempt to imitate the NeXTSTEP UI. The original was far better. And you can install WindowMaker to prove it.
Yeah, there'll be a video. Of course, you can't view it under Linux without breaking the DMCA and going to jail for the rest of your life. <grin>
If you've spent any time here, you know damn well that the real definition of 'hacker' has nothing to do with criminal activity. I won't dignify your attitude with more response than that.
Are you sure you're at the right site, troll? This is slashdot. Wake up and smell the unsweetened prune juice.
Look, I don't care what their reasons were--I'll never forgive Diana Ross.
You do remember correctly. However, I think they should take FlightGear as a base for the physical modelling if nothing else. It's so incredibly realistic it just hurts!
My point was that every technology wears out sooner or later and will be replaced. DVD recorders or some other digital recording technology will take over the spot that VHS has right now. MP3 is replacing analog audio cassettes right now. Intel is working on a new architecture that will replace x86. It will not be backward compatible with x86.
I'm biased ;-) but I think you should give GNUstep/Linux a shot. With growing interest in MOSX, our development efforts are snowballing. We have alpha releases of IB and PB clones, and applications and frameworks are being written and ported more and more frequently. I hope that there can be great cross pollenation of Free Software between the MOSX developer community and the GNUstep community.
Yep--already there. The Cocoa API (AppKit and Foundation) have Java bindings. In fact, Apple has offended the living daylights out of the Objective C community by pushing Java over Objective C.
You won't. OPENSTEP is available for Windows. And if you want a Free solution, GNUstep is portable. All that needs to be done is a Win32 backend for the AppKit. Foundation works already.
Go take a look at how GNUstep is progressing. We've made *tremendous* progress in the last year, and MOSX has heightened our visibility and brought more developers our way. We have alphas of ProjectCenter.app (our PB.app clone) and Gorm.app (our IB.app clone). We have those robust directory structures (/System, /Local, and /Network). We have the cool Application bundles implemented (with localization and cross-platform support). We have a fully structured makefile system. Applications and Objective C frameworks from NeXTSTEP, OPENSTEP, and MOSX are being ported. New applications are being written from scratch. In short, GNUstep is really beginning to snowball. Check it out!
Agreed. This is a result of the use of Display PDF (Quartz). Nice for publishing types...annoying for others. This is a result of the NeXT heritage (Display PostScript).
I think the whole Aqua thing is too 'bubbly and sweet' - of course that's just aesthetic, so I won't hold that against them.
Right again. I hate Aqua almost as much as I hate the older Mac OS GUI. The NeXTSTEP UI was far superior. Apple realized that much of their market was hooked on "cutesy" type stuff though. In addition, many immature Mac OS users screamed like infants every time Apple tried to implement more NeXT-like elements.
It defaults to running inetd, nfsiod, portmap, and a couple of other things. To exacerbate this problem there is no GUI method of turning off these services, and the only command line method is 'kill'.
Hopefully, all of this will be remedied in the final release. They probably haven't gotten around to finishing this stuff yet.
They have added all kinds of odd directories like /Applications, /System and /Users.
This is more NeXT-derived stuff. They were named differently under NeXTSTEP. After working with GNUstep for a couple of years, I have really grown fond of this sort of thing. It's the same organized principle of /usr, /bin, /home, etc. but with more readable names.
Application configuration files and resources all get bundled into one place for each App.
NeXTSTEP strikes again. This confused me slightly at first but playing around with GNUstep has made me fall in love with this concept. This is so ordered and elegant it just blows my mind! I loathe having 15,000 dotfiles in my home directory. Additionally, it allows for very structured organization of resources (like localization or platform-dependent binaries). Think of it as being very similar in concept to the System V init. It's powerful use of the directory concept for organization.
I could go on, but I think I made my point. I use Unix and Macs and like them both for different reasonse. OS X is not Mac enough nor Unix enough for me to like it at all.
I think you have fallen into the same trap that many others have: you think that MOSX is Mac OS. It isn't. MOSX is NeXTSTEP, pure and simple. Apple has tried to pull a snow job with this "next generation of Mac OS" bit. That's just marketing, though (similar to the way SunOS was retroactively renamed Solaris 1.x).
I just don't think Apple get's it . . . hopefully they'll get a clue.
That depends on what you mean. If you mean continuing the Mac OS legacy or being a UNIX vendor, you're correct. If you're talking about finally producing a superior product, then I think you're wrong. I still hate Aqua, though.
Yes--DVD. This is the point. Does VHS have a serious competitor in the analog tape based videorecording market? No. Do they have competition in the digital video market? Of course. VHS probably won't even be here in 5 years and I'm fairly sure that Intel's opinion on permanent presence of x86 can be expressed in jocular employment of four letter words.
Hopefully, Intel's next arch will be a wonder of sparkling brilliance. I don't have much faith in them, however, since they are the Microsoft of the hardware world. In addition to design concerns, they are likely to get nasty about licensing. I have worries that Intel views the openness of x86 as a mistake. With AMD breathing down their neck, Intel is probably paranoid. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, though.
As for Apple, I think they're reasoning goes something like this: (1) Artists and musicians love the ease-of-use [I dislike the design of the GUI, but that's personal taste] of our GUI and the fitness-of-purpose of our hardware. They also like the fact that our tight control of both hardware and software makes solving problems easier. (2) They don't like that fact that our OS is more unstable than water and more outdated than Disco. (3) They're switching to Wintel reluctantly because Windows is somewhat better than the Mac OS and because the hardware is much cheaper. Furthermore, even major media creation software developers are abandoning us. (4) If we offer a superior OS (NeXTSTEP revamped, which itself was very popular with serious computer musicians) we can win back our market with even greater vigor than ever before, plus draw in UNIX people.
Ultimately, they believe that their hardware is a powerful enough draw to Photoshop types that it can win back their eroding market. Whether they're right or not, only time will tell.
This already happened 11 years ago. Remember, Mac OS X is basically just a repackaged NeXTSTEP. Unfortunately, it isn't equal to NeXTSTEP.
The article was not "censored". Censorship involves removing content. Additionally, Hemos put the asterisk in of his own accord. So, I can proudly say, "Crawl back into your cave, troll."
I like the way you think, kid; you'll definitely go far. In fact, I believe you're the man to lead this country to greatness! You are the chosen one! blazer1024 for President! Huzzah!
Right. Cocoa is the new name for The-API-Formerly-Known-As-OpenStep.
BeOS doesn't have IB, PB, WebObjects, etc. That, in and of itself, is enough to recommend MOSX over BeOS.
My only fear about MOSX is Carbon. I'd like to see Apple's considerable developer base switch to Cocoa (making Objective C, OpenStep, and thus GNUstep more popular). I fear that Carbon may give too many developers reason to simply "coast".
Apple's changes to the OpenStep API are being actively tracked. Some of it hasn't been implemented yet because Apple hasn't released enough information (NSSound, for example). There's discussion on whether WebObjects will ever be compatible because of patent issues. There's hope, but who knows?
Because breaking encryption of any kind for any purpose is a violation of the DMCA. So long as they have some sort of encryption method (even ROT13 would be enough) then it's illegal to share it becase sharing requires breaking of encryption. If Quake had some method of only letting one human play it, then letting someone else play, which would require breaking the encryption method, would be a crime.